Obama Care Could Be Deadly

[quote name='UncleBob']By Msut's same logic, the actions of Obama and Congress are leading people to violent actions. They must be stopped![/QUOTE]

Which rhetoric of theirs offends you or do you believe will lead to violence?
 
Right Bob, but it certainly wasn't intentional, and thats the issue.

On a side note, Anthony Weiner (D-NY, Jon Stewart's roommate) pretty much called out Bill O'Reilly to his face about his lying about the bill. Good stuff, I recommend people watch it.
 
[quote name='IRHari']
On a side note, Anthony Weiner (D-NY, Jon Stewart's roommate) pretty much called out Bill O'Reilly to his face about his lying about the bill. Good stuff, I recommend people watch it.[/QUOTE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yzDbnMY4hg

I watched it, and I didn't actually think Weiner came across that well. He didn't really give a good answer to O'Reilly's question about who would enforce fines on people who get coverage. Of course, O'Reilly was laying a trap for him by repeatedly hammering him on whether the IRS would be responsible (which I believe they would). The point Weiner tried to make was that there's no criminal penalty for non-payment, which of course O'Reilly probably knows, but the Fox News audience is just going to hear "IRS" and go bananas, which O'Reilly also knows.

It takes courage for sure for Democrats to go on his show, but being obstinate like he was (while certainly pleasing liberals who watch it on youtube) doesn't really do much to educate O'Reilly's audience, who is naturally inclined to take his side of any argument as gospel. Then again, educating most of those people is probably a lost cause anyway.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Right Bob, but it certainly wasn't intentional, and thats the issue. [/quote]

Using Bob's logic (no sarcasm or snark here) it is the same as saying trying to give equal rights to black people in the past meant inciting violence.

Compared to the kind of rhetoric you usually have to watch Hotel Rwanda to get a dose of the Cons have been laying on lately.
 
Supposedly Andrew Breitbart has offered up a $10,000 to the united negro college fund to anyone that can prove with video evidence that there were racial epitaphs in that rally.

It's not necessary though, everyone knows every single person at a tea party rally is a racist. Or if they aren't, they are ignorant enough that they might as well be.
 
Those results enhance the validity of the DailyKos/Research 2000 poll from a couple months back.

Can those on the right attack the poll again instead of the findings? How many polls can we attack before we give up and accept the findings.

I did like this justification in the yahoo article you linked, JJ:
"While extreme, there's a chance some respondents weren't even sure what a Muslim is"

Oh, Republicans are stupid and still have opinions, so they're less dangerous and uninformed than the poll indicates. Copy that.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I'll reluctantly side with elp on this one. Crude and idiotic slogans, chants and signs are not the equivalent of violent actions.[/QUOTE]
Well they seem to go hand in hand to me. The only thing keeping those people civil is the threat of police action if they do get violent. I can't imagine that a person who shouts $$$$$$ at barney frank wants to give him a hug.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Those results enhance the validity of the DailyKos/Research 2000 poll from a couple months back.

Can those on the right attack the poll again instead of the findings? How many polls can we attack before we give up and accept the findings.

I did like this justification in the yahoo article you linked, JJ:
"While extreme, there's a chance some respondents weren't even sure what a Muslim is"

Oh, Republicans are stupid and still have opinions, so they're less dangerous and uninformed than the poll indicates. Copy that.[/QUOTE]
Who was it that didn't know there was a difference between sunni and shiite muslims? Was it McCain?
 
Hell Obama's supposed birth certificate is still an issue among most cons and almost all 'baggers.

This isn't particularly subtle code.
 
Well it's an established fact that at 5-10% of any group are fucking insane.

More disturbing to me is that 14% of those polled think anybody could be the antichrist - like it's a real thing.

I'll just say upfront though that none of those poll results were affected by his race in any way. They would be 100% the same if he was white.

And I also do many of the things that Hitler did. Just today I've pissed, shat, eaten, and drank.
 
[quote name='lawdood']Reconciliation bill has to go back to House for another vote...wouldn't it be great if the Dems now stuck in a public option or medicare expansion and it passed? Here's the open door...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/25/health.care.main/index.html?hpt=T1[/QUOTE]

It would certainly be bold, since Republicans opened the door for them to do it. I highly doubt they have the political stones to pull it off though, I think most of them are content with what they got at this point.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Supposedly Andrew Breitbart has offered up a $10,000 to the united negro college fund to anyone that can prove with video evidence that there were racial epitaphs in that rally.

It's not necessary though, everyone knows every single person at a tea party rally is a racist. Or if they aren't, they are ignorant enough that they might as well be.[/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't he give ME the $10K?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']"pseudo-biological being."

:rofl:

Where do you find this stuff? Seriously? I couldn't come across this brilliance if I tried. That was fucking hilarious.[/QUOTE]

Rense.com. That web page really fills my need for batshit crazy and has new articles multiple times a day.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']...
Wanna fake a video with me?[/QUOTE]

Sure thing. Obviously, I'll have to use the racial slurs.

Nobody would believe "Obama is a socialist
 
Yeah. We suck at that sort of thing. Canadians specialize in the sort of institutionalized racism that wears down a people's spirit over decades in the name of helping them "adjust".

...

Not a lot of room for name-calling in that.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Rense.com. That web page really fills my need for batshit crazy and has new articles multiple times a day.[/QUOTE]

i cant go there!


Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web page at this time.

Reason: The Websense category "Racism and Hate" is filtered.
 
lol @ all the fools who are upset about the /good/ parts of the bill that don't go into effect for four years and are demanding they start now.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']lol @ all the fools who are upset about the /good/ parts of the bill that don't go into effect for four years and are demanding they start now.[/QUOTE]

not only that, some states will implement changes before. on the news a couple of nights ago they were talking about how some states are expanding medicaid in the first year, but poor california has to wait 4 years (essentially as long as we can wait).
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']i cant go there!


Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web page at this time.

Reason: The Websense category "Racism and Hate" is filtered.[/QUOTE]

fascinating. who's your carrier?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Websense, O Queen of Scotland.

That is an application blocking the site.

The ISP isn't.[/QUOTE]

yeah, its websense at my work. a couple months ago they really tightened up the filter. CAG is blocked, but the forums arent.

rense is bad. but evidently nextflix streaming and youtube arent counter productive to my work.
 
1) It was A bullet.

2) No one is corroborating his story. Fox News doesn't count. So I don't buy it right now.

3) Inb4 DEMOCRATS STEELIN R GUNSZ
 
[quote name='JolietJake']The thing that kills me is that most working class people, given a true implementation, should love socialism. The whole point is that it's the worker's party. Labor unions were a taste of it, but that's as far as it got.Everyone has knee jerk reactions to systems like socialism and communism because of past associations with our enemies. People think nazis when they hear socialism, and russians, chinese, koreans etc. when they hear communism. Except that it isn't even all the same, communism in russia is/was not communism in china. If anything at all it gives us a chance to learn from their screw ups. So why is it that the mention of any social programs in the U.S. illicit the reaction that we'll become some sort of nazi like state.

I'm not even advocating the US becoming socialist, just that we integrate some of the better ideas. Hell, no one here would want to live in a purely capitalist society anyway.[/QUOTE]

We've had socialism in this country for decades. We say the free market doesn't work, so then we get the government to step in and regulate. Then either the government program fails to work / becomes unprofitable, so somebody steps in and says we have to deregulate. Then fat building project or utility service gets tossed in the lap of contractor X, not you or me. So what we really have is an alliance between those with capital and those who have their hands in the public cookie jar. Funds that were supposed to be for the public good are channeled through nepotism into becoming someone's capital. They should call it a trickle sideways theory.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Rense.com. That web page really fills my need for batshit crazy and has new articles multiple times a day.[/QUOTE]

How dare you speak of Rense that way.


After this week I think I'm ready to advocate an outright ban on healthcare in this country. It's about all that makes sense anymore.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']How dare you speak of Rense that way.


After this week I think I'm ready to advocate an outright ban on healthcare in this country. It's about all that makes sense anymore.[/QUOTE]

http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/03/obama-in-1980-said-he-was-born-in-mombasa-kenya/

"While I cannot swear it was Barak Obama..." "The man I met was about 18, thin, Mulatto, told me he was born in Mombassa, raised overseas, was living in Hawaii and hadn’t yet been to many places in the world outside of those places, mostly, hadn’t been to the mainland of America for any long time period if at all. And he openly told me he wanted to be President."

Translation: I can't tell any of them apart.

It's Gold.

EDIT: I like how articles linked from rense will just blow through any credibility in the middle and act like nothing happened.
 
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...l-does-not-cover-kids-pre-existing-conditions

Hours after President Barack Obama signed historic health care legislation, a potential problem emerged. Administration officials are now scrambling to fix a gap in highly touted benefits for children.

Obama made better coverage for children a centerpiece of his health care remake, but it turns out the letter of the law provided a less-than-complete guarantee that kids with health problems would not be shut out of coverage.

Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill Obama signed into law Tuesday.

However, if a child is accepted for coverage, or is already covered, the insurer cannot exclude payment for treating a particular illness, as sometimes happens now.
Click to expand...

whoops, good thing congress thoroughly read the bill before rahming it through.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']
whoops, good thing congress thoroughly read the bill before rahming it through.[/QUOTE]

whoops, good thing you thoroughly read the bill too:

[quote name='Jordan117 at Digg.com']
Nice selective reporting, Weekly Standard. Here's the part they decided to leave out, from the original AP story:

* * *

The Obama administration interprets the law to mean that kids can't be denied coverage, as the president has said repeatedly.

"To ensure that there is no ambiguity on this point, the secretary of HHS is preparing to issue regulations next month making it clear that the term 'pre-existing exclusion' applies to both a child's access to a plan and his or her benefits once he or she is in the plan for all plans newly sold in this country six months from today," HHS spokesman Nick Papas said.

* * *
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5 ...
In other words, there's one provision in the bill that could be creatively interpreted by insurers to deny coverage for children under new policies. But this wasn't how the measure was written or intended, and any ambiguity will be eliminated by HHS regulation six months before the bill even goes into effect.
[/quote]
 
There's some political ruckus here in Georgia over the bill.

The Governor (a republican) asked the attorney general (a democrat) to join the states suing the government over the bill. The attorney general refused, saying there's no legal basis for the suit and it would cost the state too much in a time where the state budget is severely strained.

The Governor is appointing a special attorney general to move forward, and some state senators are trying to start a movement to impeach the attorney general.

Here's a couple AJC articles related to this.

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/governor-attorney-general-in-400989.html
http://blogs.ajc.com/gold-dome-live...perdue-release-records-on-health-care-debate/
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']There's some political ruckus here in Georgia over the bill.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a rehash of Archibald Cox, Robert Bork, and the "Saturday Night Massacre."
 
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