Obama halts deportation of illegal immigrants between certain ages.

There is some confusion in this thread, so it's best to remember what this entails:

Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be able to avoid deportation if they can prove they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed.

There is no need to create or spread additional confusion on this. It is not amnesty, it is not a path to citizenship, and the immigration issue still requires a longterm legislative solution.
 
[quote name='vherub']There is some confusion in this thread, so it's best to remember what this entails:

Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be able to avoid deportation if they can prove they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed.

There is no need to create or spread additional confusion on this. It is not amnesty, it is not a path to citizenship, and the immigration issue still requires a longterm legislative solution.[/QUOTE]

You know when you describe it all rationally and all...
 
[quote name='vherub']There is some confusion in this thread, so it's best to remember what this entails:

Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be able to avoid deportation if they can prove they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed.

There is no need to create or spread additional confusion on this. It is not amnesty, it is not a path to citizenship, and the immigration issue still requires a longterm legislative solution.[/QUOTE]

Who was confused?

BTW it is amnesty.
 
[quote name='vherub']There is some confusion in this thread, so it's best to remember what this entails:

Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be able to avoid deportation if they can prove they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed.

There is no need to create or spread additional confusion on this. It is not amnesty, it is not a path to citizenship, and the immigration issue still requires a longterm legislative solution.[/QUOTE]

Who was confused?

BTW it IS amnesty. While it does not grant "citizenship" it is still a form of amnesty. Back door amnesty or amnesty-lite.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']http://lewrockwell.com/lazarowitz/lazarowitz48.1.html

http://www.fff.org/comment/com1005c.asp[/QUOTE]

Looked at the first propaganda link. What does that have to do with ILLEGAL immigration? It kept saying that people (ie saying it is a conservative thing to be against LEGAL immigration) are anti-legal immigration. Which is not the case and (a rare few maybe) immigration built and still builds this Country and many others.

I love the propaganda and the ignorance of it though. It is in some fantasy world where there are no bad people there are no radicals there are no differences in beliefs and ideals. Ahhh what a fluffy world it is.

The human race certainly has a long way to go and a goal is nice but not everyone has the same goal or fluffy view. I know crazy right? There are many types and many forms. Maybe one day we will all be exactly the same have the same ideals and goals and there will be no difference. We can all be exactly the same. Sounds fun. Oh but wait who's same are we going to be? Your idea, my idea, some evil little dictator's idea of the same?

That first propaganda link is disgusting and I hope that it isn't the author that we all end up being the same as. The author is a huge hypocrite and also quite bigoted, prejudiced, biased, naive, ignorant and just stupid as hell. I wont bother wasting my time on the second link.
 
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Citizenship is really a euphemism for how the government owns us.
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I read this, and all I could think about was some an unemployed "Occupy" loser going, "Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!"

[quote name='Pliskin101']Looked at the first propaganda link. What does that have to do with ILLEGAL immigration? It kept saying that people (ie saying it is a conservative thing to be against LEGAL immigration) are anti-legal immigration. Which is not the case and (a rare few maybe) immigration built and still builds this Country and many others.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but unfortunately, this has been an often-used strategy: paint everyone against illegal immigration as a racist. It's a whole lot easier to do than to actually look at the legitimate points people make on the issue. I have never had, nor will I ever have, an issue with someone who takes the necessary steps to come here and become a citizen of this nation. I do, though, take great issue with those who circumvent the laws of the country, roam around the nation completely undocumented, and use up tax-funded resources that are meant for actual citizens, while not contributing anything to the pot. I don't care if they are white, black, pink, or purple.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I read this, and all I could think about was some an unemployed "Occupy" loser going, "Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!"[/quote]
This is hilarious because lewrockwell.com is a heavy libertarian-leaning blog, but I guess knowing your sources isn't really important.

Yeah, but unfortunately, this has been an often-used strategy: paint everyone against illegal immigration as a racist.
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That's because most are.

t's a whole lot easier to do than to actually look at the legitimate points people make on the issue.
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That's because they don't have any most of the time.

I have never had, nor will I ever have, an issue with someone who takes the necessary steps to come here and become a citizen of this nation.
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Doubt it.

I do, though, take great issue with those who circumvent the laws of the country, roam around the nation completely undocumented, and use up tax-funded resources that are meant for actual citizens, while not contributing anything to the pot. I don't care if they are white, black, pink, or purple.
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I bet you focus on the ones from south of the border though. I bet you also ignore that they pay rent, sales tax, and a slew of other taxes as well as FICA and Medicare if they're using someone else's SS number. Not to mention that they tend to put in more than they take out because they tend to use social services less than citizens.
 
Even though you're blocked, I bet I know what you're saying: "I'm a massive racist, and everything whitey says is wrong. Whitey is terrible." We get dohdough, you hate white people. Go kill yourself already.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Even though you're blocked, I bet I know what you're saying: "I'm a massive racist, and everything whitey says is wrong. Whitey is terrible." We get dohdough, you hate white people. Go kill yourself already.[/QUOTE]
LOLZ...can't defend your stances huh?
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Lol. I am constantly debating whether blocking someone or deleting quoted posts is the lamest thing you do on a message board.[/QUOTE]
I say blocking someone and then acknowledging their posts is the lamest.:lol:
 
[quote name='dohdough']LOLZ...can't defend your stances huh?[/QUOTE]

How is he supposed to defend you basically calling him racist? By saying he is not racist? Then that would be taken as racist in the minds of you and your ilk.:roll:

edit: we all know that YOU believe that ALL white people are racist and ONLY white people are racist. There is nothing to defend as it always boils down to that for you.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']How is he supposed to defend you basically calling him racist? By saying he is not racist? Then that would be taken as racist in the minds of you and your ilk.:roll:[/quote]
He could ignore where I "basically called him a racist" and address the other points like how they aren't leeches.

edit: we all know that YOU believe that ALL white people are racist and ONLY white people are racist. There is nothing to defend as it always boils down to that for you.
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Yeah...it's as simple as black and white!:roll:
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']Looked at the first propaganda link. What does that have to do with ILLEGAL immigration? It kept saying that people (ie saying it is a conservative thing to be against LEGAL immigration) are anti-legal immigration. Which is not the case and (a rare few maybe) immigration built and still builds this Country and many others.

I love the propaganda and the ignorance of it though. It is in some fantasy world where there are no bad people there are no radicals there are no differences in beliefs and ideals. Ahhh what a fluffy world it is.

The human race certainly has a long way to go and a goal is nice but not everyone has the same goal or fluffy view. I know crazy right? There are many types and many forms. Maybe one day we will all be exactly the same have the same ideals and goals and there will be no difference. We can all be exactly the same. Sounds fun. Oh but wait who's same are we going to be? Your idea, my idea, some evil little dictator's idea of the same?

That first propaganda link is disgusting and I hope that it isn't the author that we all end up being the same as. The author is a huge hypocrite and also quite bigoted, prejudiced, biased, naive, ignorant and just stupid as hell. I wont bother wasting my time on the second link.[/QUOTE]

Placing quotas and other regulations on immigration is de facto opposition of legal immigration. It's part and parcel of protectionism, known in earlier times as mercantilism.

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The immigration issue shows the conservatives’ contempt for consumers, and for private property rights and freedom of contract. The conservatives approve of the intruder government’s seizure of and control over private businesses and contracts between employers and laborers, at the ultimate expense of consumers.[/FONT]
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[/FONT]This, for example, is describing E-Verify. Do I not have the right to exercise freedom of association in a manner of my choosing? Do I not have the right to use my wealth in a manner of my choosing? By what right can you use the force of government to prevent me from opening a business and hiring people of my choosing - free from burdensome and excessive economic regulation?[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]
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I'll give you the title of the second link:

Immigration Socialism versus Freedom and the Free Market

If you're interested in free markets, you should give it a read.
 
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[quote name='Pliskin101']How is he supposed to defend you basically calling him racist? By saying he is not racist? Then that would be taken as racist in the minds of you and your ilk.:roll:

edit: we all know that YOU believe that ALL white people are racist and ONLY white people are racist. There is nothing to defend as it always boils down to that for you.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. The guy has alluded to me being a racist a number of times on this board...something I have seen him to do to various other members, as well. What defense do I have?

Me: I'm not a racist.
Him: Yes, you are...
Me: Um...no I'm not for x,y,z reasons...
Him: You're just saying that...

And yes, as is often the case, the guy who calls everyone else a racist is clearly a raging racist himself. Or, at the very least, a delusional person who seems to think minorities can do no wrong. Blocking people on a message board is pretty lame, but I have no desire to see myself referred to a racist. If I were a racist, I would not be ashamed of such a thing being said. I am not a racist, so I don't appreciate it seeing said, even though it's from some faceless, nameless internet douche who likely doesn't have the hair on his sack to actually go up to a real racist and call him out on his shit, so he just trolls message boards.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Exactly. The guy has alluded to me being a racist a number of times on this board...something I have seen him to do to various other members, as well. What defense do I have?

Me: I'm not a racist.
Him: Yes, you are...
Me: Um...no I'm not for x,y,z reasons...
Him: You're just saying that...[/QUOTE]
HAHAHA...yeah...that's exactly how those conversations go down.

And yes, as is often the case, the guy who calls everyone else a racist is clearly a raging racist himself. Or, at the very least, a delusional person who seems to think minorities can do no wrong.
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How am I a raging racist and where have I even hinted that people of color can do no wrong?

LOLZ...you and Pliskin are really fighting to be the top troll of this forum. You guys have completely outdone bob, knoell, and even turbochickenman and that's quite a feat. It's even lamer that you say that you have me on ignore, yet feel the need to respond to me anyways. It really cracks me up.

Nice ninja edit, but you blocked me before even engaging in any kind of debate or discussion about anything. Nice try though.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I am NOT a racist, I hate everyone equally.:razz:[/QUOTE]
Racism doesn't require hate. I know, it's mindblowing.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Racism doesn't require hate. I know, it's mindblowing.[/QUOTE]

We know we know... according to you the requirement is that one is white and if one is white then one is a racist. If one is not white one can not be racist.
 
[quote name='Spokker']http://unfaircampaign.org/action/stop-it/

White privilege is finally going mainstream.[/QUOTE]

No way that shit is real. Is it? It's a joke right? Sickening!!

But then again did you see the thread about the fast and furious case is now being called racist? Did you see the topic of this thread and Obama's shameless bullshit? Sickening shit.

Anyway

Looks like Romney is going to win. There wont be a white guilt vote in 2012 no matter how much they keep calling people racist who are NOT racist. No matter how much they play that race card. Obama is a P.O.S. and the vote will show that people have had enough bullshit from that side of the aisle and Obama. It is insulting Obama is an insult. Just wait and see. His shameless pandering for race votes is going to backfire in a huge way and by those whose votes that he thinks he is winning. Again it is an insult and those who he was going after are going to show him they are not as stupid as he thinks or as he is.


Looks like the lesser of two evils will win....Romney.
 
[quote name='Clak']Did anyone happen to catch Futurama tonight? Kinda sad to find so much truth in a cartoon.[/QUOTE]
No. I missed it and unfortunately CC is choosing to air the one movie(Pick Of Destiny) rather than re run the show from earlier.:roll:
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']We know we know... according to you the requirement is that one is white and if one is white then one is a racist. If one is not white one can not be racist.[/QUOTE]

Oh, geesh.. you just don't know DD at all.

You can be a person of color and be racist. Of course, you're still be racist against minorities and just doing whitey's work for him... so you're just perpetuating white racism.
 
Spokker I will check it out soon it is a busy day.

But here is a headline today that is getting little attention.

Judge refuses to block Florida voter purge

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...to-block-florida-voter-purge/?test=latestnews

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U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle ruled there was nothing in federal voting laws that prevent the state from identifying ineligible voters even if it is close to the upcoming Aug. 14 election.
The U.S. Department of Justice filed a lawsuit earlier this month to halt the purge, saying federal voting laws barred the effort since it was within 90 days of a federal election. U.S. officials also said the list used by Florida had "critical imperfections, which lead to errors that harm and confuse voters."
Hinkle in ruling from the bench said federal laws are designed to block states from removing eligible voters close to an election. He said they are not designed to block voters who should have never been allowed to cast ballots in the first place.
Although he said "questioning someone's citizenship" is not a trivial matter, Hinkle also said that non-citizens should not be allowed to vote.
"People need to know we are running an honest election," said Hinkle, who was appointed by former President Bill Clinton."
 
Imagine that non-citizens DO NOT have the RIGHT to vote. Seems like a no brainer.

But then again pelosi and others would say it is an assault on minorities and racist.....I am not joking here they are actually saying that kind of crap and actually saying it also in reference to why there is a contempt charge on holder.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']Imagine that non-citizens DO NOT have the RIGHT to vote. Seems like a no brainer.

But then again pelosi and others would say it is an assault on minorities and racist.....I am not joking here they are actually saying that kind of crap and actually saying it also in reference to why there is a contempt charge on holder.[/QUOTE]
There is no voter fraud problem in the US. It's as simple as that. It's the old right wing strategy of suppressing votes under a new guise and has nothing to do with keeping elections "honest."

And before you bring up ACORN registrations, they were required by law to submit every registration form regardless of fraudulent content because the GOP ended up trashing a bunch of Democratic Party registrations in one state. ACORN even notified the election board of the bogus forms.
 
If there is no voter fraud ie non-citizens voting then there is nothing to worry about is there?

This just upholds the right to purge non-citizen votes from elections in Florida. Makes total sense and something EVERYONE should be on board with.

No Brainer
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']If there is no voter fraud ie non-citizens voting then there is nothing to worry about is there?

This just upholds the right to purge non-citizen votes from elections in Florida. Makes total sense and something EVERYONE should be on board with.

No Brainer[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with non-citizens voting and everything to do with making it harder for actual citizens to vote like I said, you dumbshit.
 
I should have said it is a no brainer but Dohdough is not even that evolved. LMAO.

The judge upheld the right to purge "citizens" votes? Strange world DD lives in.

let's try and repeat the ruling and story ONE MORE TIME...

Judge refuses to block Florida voter purge

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...to-block-florida-voter-purge/?test=latestnews

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U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle ruled there was nothing in federal voting laws that prevent the state from identifying ineligible voters even if it is close to the upcoming Aug. 14 election.
The U.S. Department of Justice filed a lawsuit earlier this month to halt the purge, saying federal voting laws barred the effort since it was within 90 days of a federal election. U.S. officials also said the list used by Florida had "critical imperfections, which lead to errors that harm and confuse voters."
Hinkle in ruling from the bench said federal laws are designed to block states from removing eligible voters close to an election. He said they are not designed to block voters who should have never been allowed to cast ballots in the first place.
Although he said "questioning someone's citizenship" is not a trivial matter, Hinkle also said that non-citizens should not be allowed to vote.
"People need to know we are running an honest election," said Hinkle, who was appointed by former President Bill Clinton."


edit: was on ignore list but then removed now DD is right back on it PERMANENTLY. He has got to be the biggest most racist moron I have ever came across.

edit2: Oh so much better now... what a relief I don't have to see that racist idiot any longer.
 
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[quote name='dohdough']It has nothing to do with non-citizens voting and everything to do with making it harder for actual citizens to vote like I said, you dumbshit.[/QUOTE]
For someone who acts like governments can't do anything right, he's putting a lot of faith in the state of Florida to not "accidentally" purge citizens.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']I should have said it is a no brainer but Dohdough is not even that evolved. LMAO.

The judge upheld the right to purge "citizens" votes? Strange world DD lives in.

let's try and repeat the ruling and story ONE MORE TIME...

Judge refuses to block Florida voter purge

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...to-block-florida-voter-purge/?test=latestnews

"
U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle ruled there was nothing in federal voting laws that prevent the state from identifying ineligible voters even if it is close to the upcoming Aug. 14 election.
The U.S. Department of Justice filed a lawsuit earlier this month to halt the purge, saying federal voting laws barred the effort since it was within 90 days of a federal election. U.S. officials also said the list used by Florida had "critical imperfections, which lead to errors that harm and confuse voters."
Hinkle in ruling from the bench said federal laws are designed to block states from removing eligible voters close to an election. He said they are not designed to block voters who should have never been allowed to cast ballots in the first place.
Although he said "questioning someone's citizenship" is not a trivial matter, Hinkle also said that non-citizens should not be allowed to vote.
"People need to know we are running an honest election," said Hinkle, who was appointed by former President Bill Clinton."


edit: was on ignore list but then removed now DD is right back on it PERMANENTLY. He has got to be the biggest most racist moron I have ever came across.

edit2: Oh so much better now... what a relief I don't have to see that racist idiot any longer.[/QUOTE]
LOLZ...we both know that you don't have the self-control to ignore my posts.

Regardless of that, the only way to verify voters on the voter roll beyond name and address is through an id, which is what the law is really requiring. It's not like those states are making a special voter id that's available for free, increasing access, or even making it easier. Even beyond an id, if the polling staff doesn't think that you've supplied appropriate id at the polls, they can remove you on the spot, which is especially ridiculous when they're already fucking registered. But hey, I'm on ignore so I'm just talking to myself because I'M CRAZY, right?
 
[quote name='dohdough']it has nothing to do with non-citizens voting and everything to do with making it harder for actual citizens to vote like i said, you dumbshit.[/quote]


this is the dumbest shit ive heard today.... Nice one!
 
[quote name='DurbanBrown']this is the dumbest shit ive heard today.... Nice one![/QUOTE]
That's nice. Now tell us why it's the dumbest shit you've heard all day. I'll be waiting with baited breath for your enlightened and obviously well-educated opinion on the matter.
 
My grandparents filled out the proper paperwork and legally joined the U.S. Why should this recent generation of illegal degenerates be coddled and babied, and handed a citizenship when they did not fulfill their legal obligations?

All illegal immigrants should be exported. I don't care if they're two years old, ten years old, or eighty years old. There is hardship all over the world. Yeah, they may be trying to escape a tough situation, but their case is nothing special. Do it the right way—or stay the fuck out.
 
[quote name='Chase']My grandparents filled out the proper paperwork and legally joined the U.S. Why should this recent generation of illegal degenerates be coddled and babied, and handed a citizenship when they did not fulfill their legal obligations?

All illegal immigrants should be exported. I don't care if they're two years old, ten years old, or eighty years old. There is hardship all over the world. Yeah, they may be trying to escape a tough situation, but their case is nothing special. Do it the right way—or stay the fuck out.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming that you're not talking about your grandparents from your Asian side and if you are, you most likely got sold a bullshit story.

Also, minors don't have "legal obligations" and they're not handed citizenship. hth
 
[quote name='dohdough']I'm assuming that you're not talking about your grandparents from your Asian side and if you are, you most likely got sold a bullshit story.

Also, minors don't have "legal obligations" and they're not handed citizenship. hth[/QUOTE]


I have one set of grandparents who were born on Hawaii in the 1920s and another who are native Japanese. Recently, I had to take my grandma to some federal place to renew her green card. (She is old.)

And I really don't care. Children should be deported, too. The U.S. needs to grow some balls and do what's best for the country. You don't see Canada or Japan welcoming illegal immigrants with open arms.
 
[quote name='Chase']You don't see Canada or Japan welcoming illegal immigrants with open arms.[/QUOTE]Neither does Mexico.
 
You'd be hard-pressed to find many other countries in this world that coddle illegal immigrants the way we do. These people are criminals. Does no one seem to understand this? Even if they are otherwise law-abiding individuals (many of them are not, by the way...just like there are bad apples in every other segment of the population, they are illegals who rape, rob, and murder. I know it's hard for people to believe, but it's true), they still broke laws regarding immigration. And yet, lots of people see no issue with this, and the federal government constantly handles the issue with kid gloves.
 
[quote name='Chase']I have one set of grandparents who were born on Hawaii in the 1920s and another who are native Japanese. Recently, I had to take my grandma to some federal place to renew her green card. (She is old.)

And I really don't care. Children should be deported, too. The U.S. needs to grow some balls and do what's best for the country. You don't see Canada or Japan welcoming illegal immigrants with open arms.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's nice and all, but the US isn't Canada or Japan and we don't welcome undocumented immigrants either. The fact that they're here, regardless of their reception, is a completely separate issue from what you're arguing.

Historically, immigration for Asians has been a very complicated process and you'd be surprised at how much fraudulent activity was going on.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']You'd be hard-pressed to find many other countries in this world that coddle illegal immigrants the way we do. These people are criminals. Does no one seem to understand this? Even if they are otherwise law-abiding individuals (many of them are not, by the way...just like there are bad apples in every other segment of the population, they are illegals who rape, rob, and murder. I know it's hard for people to believe, but it's true), they still broke laws regarding immigration. And yet, lots of people see no issue with this, and the federal government constantly handles the issue with kid gloves.[/QUOTE]
I love how breaking the law makes a person deserve sub-human classification to some people. Hell, I must've broken a handful of laws myself today and a couple of them multiple times. I can't even count how many times I went over the speed limit and jaywalked today alone! I bet you've broken the law and got away with it too. It's almost as if breaking a law doesn't make you a horrible person.

I also love how you've made the association with "illegals" to rapists, thieves, and murderers as if there's an epidemic of those types of crime from that demographic.
 
[quote name='dohdough']
I also love how you've made the association with "illegals" to rapists, thieves, and murderers as if there's an epidemic of those types of crime from that demographic.[/QUOTE]

When you import the third world, you get third world results.
 
Don't even respond to him. He's an ignorant, racist piece of trash. No where did I say that all illegal immigrants are rapists, thieves, and murderers. As I CLEARLY said, just like there are bad eggs in every other segment of society, there are some in the illegal population, as well. The big difference is, the other ones are actual citizens, are documented, and often have ties to society, unlike illegal immigrants, who are here illegally, are not in the system, and have no ties to society.
 
[quote name='Chase']I have one set of grandparents who were born on Hawaii in the 1920s and another who are native Japanese. Recently, I had to take my grandma to some federal place to renew her green card. (She is old.)

And I really don't care. Children should be deported, too. The U.S. needs to grow some balls and do what's best for the country. You don't see Canada or Japan welcoming illegal immigrants with open arms.[/QUOTE]

Is it really best for the country to deport millions? How will that effect the housing market? While it may open up some jobs for citizens, the illegal immigrants are also consumers. Decreasing the number of consumers rarely helps an economy.
 
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