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Proof it's the fake:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513
Obama Releases Birth Certificate
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wQAqvtXenKg
I'd waste my time trying to preface this with something along the lines of "I don't think it's fake..." or something of the like, but I was able to re-create this same effect by loading the BC from the White House website
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
It *is* weird. Not weird enough for me to start writing letters to have him impeached... but weird. Anyone know more about these kinds of issues as to why it would do that?
I'd waste my time trying to preface this with something along the lines of "I don't think it's fake..." or something of the like, but I was able to re-create this same effect by loading the BC from the White House website
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
It *is* weird. Not weird enough for me to start writing letters to have him impeached... but weird. Anyone know more about these kinds of issues as to why it would do that?
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[quote name='nasum']and his daughter is a very hot chubby girl[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='62t']Fun fact: John McCain was born in Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama. Which is not part of Panama Canal Zone or a US Military base[/quote]
He was born in Coco Solo, which was part of the Panama Canal Zone. After the Canal Zone was disestablished, Coco Solo was incorporated into Colon, Panama.
Fun fact: Poop, Mexico is a my favorite city name in the world. Followed closely by Colon, Panama.
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[quote name='62t']Fun fact: John McCain was born in Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama. Which is not part of Panama Canal Zone or a US Military base[/quote]
He was born in Coco Solo, which was part of the Panama Canal Zone. After the Canal Zone was disestablished, Coco Solo was incorporated into Colon, Panama.
Fun fact: Poop, Mexico is a my favorite city name in the world. Followed closely by Colon, Panama.
[quote name='IRHari']If we're going to make the John McCain comparison, was the McCain birther movement as big as the Obama birther movement even after McCain released the 'short form'? Was their an enormous demand for McCain to release the 'long form'? Did a majority of Democrats believe McCain was not eligible by virtue of his place of birth to be President?[/QUOTE]
Nah, no one ever thought McCain would win the presidency so the question of his birth was a moot point.
Nah, no one ever thought McCain would win the presidency so the question of his birth was a moot point.
Predictably, now Republican's are slamming Obama for publicizing the birther issue and distracting from real issues like the deficit.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...edia-attention/2011/04/28/AFLrfs6E_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...edia-attention/2011/04/28/AFLrfs6E_story.html
[quote name='IRHari']Anyone know if when McCain birtherism went away after McCain released his short form?[/QUOTE]
Claim: Barack Obama does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because his mother was too young.
Status: FALSE
Claim: Video clip shows Barack Obama acknowledging that he is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.
Status: FALSE
Claim: A Certification of Live Birth document provided by the Obama campaign is a forgery.
Status: FALSE
Claim: A Certified Registration of Birth issued in Kenya documents that Barack Obama was born in that country.
Status: FALSE
Claim: Photograph shows a "Welcome to Kenya" sign identifying that country as the birthplace of Barack Obama.
Status: FALSE
Claim: John McCain does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because he was born in Panama.
Status: Undetermined
Claim: Barack Obama does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because his mother was too young.
Status: FALSE
Claim: Video clip shows Barack Obama acknowledging that he is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.
Status: FALSE
Claim: A Certification of Live Birth document provided by the Obama campaign is a forgery.
Status: FALSE
Claim: A Certified Registration of Birth issued in Kenya documents that Barack Obama was born in that country.
Status: FALSE
Claim: Photograph shows a "Welcome to Kenya" sign identifying that country as the birthplace of Barack Obama.
Status: FALSE
Claim: John McCain does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because he was born in Panama.
Status: Undetermined
DestroCobra
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[quote name='RAMSTORIA']racist.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of your opinion which moot I am not a racist. I'm just voting for who I think will get the job done. Racists hate people for numerous things based on color, race, gender, or country of origin. I however, do not hate anyone and because you don't know me don't make assumptions that I am a racist. All I said is that regardless of him providing the birth certificate most birth certificates have a watermark and or notary seal and to be honest if he was so worried about quote unquote sillyness he would've addressed the issue long ago. He even has a sanction that blocks anyone from getting the birth certificate even himself. It's in lock and keep in a lockbox where nobody knows where it is. So who knows if it is real or not. Also, on the McCain situation I agree with you as much on that as I do on the Obama birther issue. Regardless if you are white, black, asian, it doesn't matter if you run for president you have to provide a birth certificate upon announcement of canidacy for president.
Regardless of your opinion which moot I am not a racist. I'm just voting for who I think will get the job done. Racists hate people for numerous things based on color, race, gender, or country of origin. I however, do not hate anyone and because you don't know me don't make assumptions that I am a racist. All I said is that regardless of him providing the birth certificate most birth certificates have a watermark and or notary seal and to be honest if he was so worried about quote unquote sillyness he would've addressed the issue long ago. He even has a sanction that blocks anyone from getting the birth certificate even himself. It's in lock and keep in a lockbox where nobody knows where it is. So who knows if it is real or not. Also, on the McCain situation I agree with you as much on that as I do on the Obama birther issue. Regardless if you are white, black, asian, it doesn't matter if you run for president you have to provide a birth certificate upon announcement of canidacy for president.
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Not just NSFW, but very, very distasteful:
Jesse Ventura is a lunatic whose mouth diarrhea makes Trump look reasonable. I'm also getting tired of the racist argument, it's every bit the red herring the birther argument is. There's ignorance on both sides, and I'm sure no one here said a peep when Bush was in office and there were all those groups trying to compare him to Hitler.
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[quote name='spmahn']I'm also getting tired of the racist argument, it's every bit the red herring the birther argument is.[/QUOTE]
We have a president who a large portion of American citizens believe is (1) not an American citizen, (2) not a Christian despite his claims, but in fact a closet Muslim, and (3) less than American because he doesn't capitulate to the interests of the extremely wealthy in terms of policy (note that he pretty much actually does, but I'm talking perception, not policy).
The crux of these arguments are to delegitimize the President as someone who is either 'less than' American, or simply not American. To think that these issues are borne of his policy and not his race is to ignore simmering racial tension that remains in and pervades modern American society. No other President, not the conservative Republicans who were elected, nor the Democrats who were FAR more left than the corporate-pleasing failure-to-triangulate centrist-to-conservative Democrat President we currently have. No other President. It's one thing to disagree with his policies, as many do (including myself). It's another issue entirely to deny his status as an American citizen. That's rooted in racism.
Similarly rooted in racism are the after-birther (heh) claims that Obama was a poor to mediocre college undergrad, who did not qualify for his postgraduate education and positions by virtue of his intelligence or hard work. They are demanding his undergraduate transcripts now. The implication is quite clear - Obama is a lazy negro who only got to where he was because of apologetic liberal policies like Affirmative Action. He did not achieve what he did in American society in *spite* of lingering racial animosity and white privilege, their argument logically mandates. He achieved what he did because of policies that embrace weak performances of minority citizens.
Irrespective of Obama's educational performance at any level, Republicans chiding a president for being intellectually mediocre really exposes the absurdity of modern politics. The lesson we learn is that we must think in terms of black and white - there is nothing positive or redeemable about the persons we disagree with. We must despise and question them to the very core of their being, as it is a necessary prerequisite to achieve our political demands. The very same people who thought the world of George W Bush's weak to mediocre academic achievements are now (without knowledge) chiding Obama for the same thing. Obama was correct when he posited that if one day he said the sky was blue, Republicans would launch an investigatory committee to verify that fact, and come back with a series of challenges and questions.
This is without a doubt racism at its core. To deny that is to have a view of racism that refuses to ever think that racism can be done covertly, and that racism must be intentionally thought, rather than taken for granted and taught/ingrained in our views of the world. It is deeply, deeply rooted in racism to challenge Obama's citizenship and achievement.
We have a president who a large portion of American citizens believe is (1) not an American citizen, (2) not a Christian despite his claims, but in fact a closet Muslim, and (3) less than American because he doesn't capitulate to the interests of the extremely wealthy in terms of policy (note that he pretty much actually does, but I'm talking perception, not policy).
The crux of these arguments are to delegitimize the President as someone who is either 'less than' American, or simply not American. To think that these issues are borne of his policy and not his race is to ignore simmering racial tension that remains in and pervades modern American society. No other President, not the conservative Republicans who were elected, nor the Democrats who were FAR more left than the corporate-pleasing failure-to-triangulate centrist-to-conservative Democrat President we currently have. No other President. It's one thing to disagree with his policies, as many do (including myself). It's another issue entirely to deny his status as an American citizen. That's rooted in racism.
Similarly rooted in racism are the after-birther (heh) claims that Obama was a poor to mediocre college undergrad, who did not qualify for his postgraduate education and positions by virtue of his intelligence or hard work. They are demanding his undergraduate transcripts now. The implication is quite clear - Obama is a lazy negro who only got to where he was because of apologetic liberal policies like Affirmative Action. He did not achieve what he did in American society in *spite* of lingering racial animosity and white privilege, their argument logically mandates. He achieved what he did because of policies that embrace weak performances of minority citizens.
Irrespective of Obama's educational performance at any level, Republicans chiding a president for being intellectually mediocre really exposes the absurdity of modern politics. The lesson we learn is that we must think in terms of black and white - there is nothing positive or redeemable about the persons we disagree with. We must despise and question them to the very core of their being, as it is a necessary prerequisite to achieve our political demands. The very same people who thought the world of George W Bush's weak to mediocre academic achievements are now (without knowledge) chiding Obama for the same thing. Obama was correct when he posited that if one day he said the sky was blue, Republicans would launch an investigatory committee to verify that fact, and come back with a series of challenges and questions.
This is without a doubt racism at its core. To deny that is to have a view of racism that refuses to ever think that racism can be done covertly, and that racism must be intentionally thought, rather than taken for granted and taught/ingrained in our views of the world. It is deeply, deeply rooted in racism to challenge Obama's citizenship and achievement.
[quote name='Strell']You heard it here, folks. The outrage at John McCain is 100% equivalent to Obama's.[/QUOTE]
You also heard it here folks, people would care equally about a presidential candidate than the president elects qualifications to be president. Do not deny that if Mccain were elected you would be making snide comments that he wasn't born here and should not be president. You guys do the same thing for Bush and the National Guard.
It really is all petty though. I find it funny that criticizing Mccains legitimacy to be president is just being smart, while even questioning Obamas legitimacy is being racist. Who is thinking in terms of black and white again?
You also heard it here folks, people would care equally about a presidential candidate than the president elects qualifications to be president. Do not deny that if Mccain were elected you would be making snide comments that he wasn't born here and should not be president. You guys do the same thing for Bush and the National Guard.
It really is all petty though. I find it funny that criticizing Mccains legitimacy to be president is just being smart, while even questioning Obamas legitimacy is being racist. Who is thinking in terms of black and white again?
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[quote name='Knoell']I find it funny that criticizing Mccains legitimacy to be president is just being smart[/QUOTE]
1) U dum?
2) straw man?
3) U hungover?
1) U dum?
2) straw man?
3) U hungover?
[quote name='Knoell']You also heard it here folks, people would care equally about a presidential candidate than the president elects qualifications to be president. Do not deny that if Mccain were elected you would be making snide comments that he wasn't born here and should not be president. You guys do the same thing for Bush and the National Guard.
It really is all petty though. I find it funny that criticizing Mccains legitimacy to be president is just being smart, while even questioning Obamas legitimacy is being racist. Who is thinking in terms of black and white again?[/QUOTE]
I seriously doubt many of us would care if McCain was legit or not. Personally I could give two squats less if someone was born in the US or not and think its a stupid restriction that needs to be done away with. If someone has lived here for a number of years and served another political office then IMO their qualified. And please do not bring up the constitution, I really have no faith in it.
It really is all petty though. I find it funny that criticizing Mccains legitimacy to be president is just being smart, while even questioning Obamas legitimacy is being racist. Who is thinking in terms of black and white again?[/QUOTE]
I seriously doubt many of us would care if McCain was legit or not. Personally I could give two squats less if someone was born in the US or not and think its a stupid restriction that needs to be done away with. If someone has lived here for a number of years and served another political office then IMO their qualified. And please do not bring up the constitution, I really have no faith in it.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Nah, no one ever thought McCain would win the presidency so the question of his birth was a moot point.[/QUOTE]
And then IRHari doubling up on the McCain certificate release question are probably the funniest things that will ever be on the same page of the Vs forum at the same time. That honestly got a good LOL out of me in the office.
And then IRHari doubling up on the McCain certificate release question are probably the funniest things that will ever be on the same page of the Vs forum at the same time. That honestly got a good LOL out of me in the office.
[quote name='spmahn']Jesse Ventura is a lunatic whose mouth diarrhea makes Trump look reasonable. I'm also getting tired of the racist argument, it's every bit the red herring the birther argument is. There's ignorance on both sides, and I'm sure no one here said a peep when Bush was in office and there were all those groups trying to compare him to Hitler.[/QUOTE]
There's no comparison between Bush and Hitler. Hitler was a wonderful public speaker.
There's no comparison between Bush and Hitler. Hitler was a wonderful public speaker.
[quote name='DestroCobra'] All I said is that regardless of him providing the birth certificate most birth certificates have a watermark and or notary seal and to be honest if he was so worried about quote unquote sillyness he would've addressed the issue long ago. [/QUOTE]
You cant see it well as it's photo (perhaps even a photo of a photocopy, I dont know), but if you look at the Nation Review pic of the BC (here) , zoom in to the area above the "April 25 2011" stamp, you can see the tell-tale bumps forming an outline of the raised seal (it is a circle extending into boxes 20, 21, and 23 of the BC).
Is that enough or you still want more?
You cant see it well as it's photo (perhaps even a photo of a photocopy, I dont know), but if you look at the Nation Review pic of the BC (here) , zoom in to the area above the "April 25 2011" stamp, you can see the tell-tale bumps forming an outline of the raised seal (it is a circle extending into boxes 20, 21, and 23 of the BC).
Is that enough or you still want more?
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I don't think I'll be going anywhere unless I violate anything in the EULA in this board. As far as the ignore button that's cool ignore me. However, I still don't see any kind of symbolization of a watermark in boxes 20, 21 and 23 and that was zoomed in at 400 and 600%. As far as the constitution goes it's the only thing that is holding this country together right now. Once our rights are gone hope you learn to speak Chinese when the debt ceiling collapses. As well last time i checked this is a political discussion forum to express our views and not flame other users because of their opinions..
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[quote name='DestroCobra']As far as the constitution goes it's the only thing that is holding this country together right now. Once our rights are gone hope you learn to speak Chinese when the debt ceiling collapses.[/QUOTE]
Constitution is meaningless when we have greedy people in office who don't care about anyone but themselves instead of the country as a whole. Which is why this country has faced so many problems recently. Constitution is still there. Not much good it's doing.
Constitution is meaningless when we have greedy people in office who don't care about anyone but themselves instead of the country as a whole. Which is why this country has faced so many problems recently. Constitution is still there. Not much good it's doing.
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[quote name='DestroCobra']Once our rights are gone hope you learn to speak Chinese when the debt ceiling collapses.[/QUOTE]
Do you honestly think anyone could cross the entire Pacific Ocean to invade us? It was hard enough for us to pull off D-Day and you're buying into the horrible fallacy that we're destined to speak Chinese one of these days? It's even funnier that fools used to say the same thing about the Japanese in the 80's and early 90's.
Do you honestly think anyone could cross the entire Pacific Ocean to invade us? It was hard enough for us to pull off D-Day and you're buying into the horrible fallacy that we're destined to speak Chinese one of these days? It's even funnier that fools used to say the same thing about the Japanese in the 80's and early 90's.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']They were called colonies back then.[/QUOTE]
I lol'd.
And I'm not doubling up (down?) on the McCain question, I'm just curious if the legitimacy probes were exactly the same as some people contend they were.
I take Senator McCain at his word...
wink dog whistle nod
I lol'd.
And I'm not doubling up (down?) on the McCain question, I'm just curious if the legitimacy probes were exactly the same as some people contend they were.
I take Senator McCain at his word...
wink dog whistle nodhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...XK2USQ?docId=cb3f476e87194221ab83970a947c23a3
Now they are going after his dad.
Now they are going after his dad.
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[quote name='DestroCobra']I don't think I'll be going anywhere unless I violate anything in the EULA in this board. As far as the ignore button that's cool ignore me. However, I still don't see any kind of symbolization of a watermark in boxes 20, 21 and 23 and that was zoomed in at 400 and 600%. As far as the constitution goes it's the only thing that is holding this country together right now. Once our rights are gone hope you learn to speak Chinese when the debt ceiling collapses. As well last time i checked this is a political discussion forum to express our views and not flame other users because of their opinions..[/QUOTE]
What you're discussing isn't even political, it's just a crackpot theory, like the moon landing was faked. You deserve to be ridiculed.
What you're discussing isn't even political, it's just a crackpot theory, like the moon landing was faked. You deserve to be ridiculed.
[quote name='depascal22']Do you honestly think anyone could cross the entire Pacific Ocean to invade us? It was hard enough for us to pull off D-Day and you're buying into the horrible fallacy that we're destined to speak Chinese one of these days? It's even funnier that fools used to say the same thing about the Japanese in the 80's and early 90's.[/QUOTE]
Invasion isn't the only threat. But don't mind me, just keep believing that war is only for third world countries.
Invasion isn't the only threat. But don't mind me, just keep believing that war is only for third world countries.
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[quote name='basilofbkrst']proof it's the fake:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513[/quote]
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[quote name='the article you skimmed then linked']so here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers[/quote]
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513[/quote]
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[quote name='the article you skimmed then linked']so here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers[/quote]
I found out one of my friends the other day was a birther. I always knew the guy disliked Obama but did not care....but finding out he is a birther almost taints the friendship. Its just such a stupid and radical thing to believe. And here is the biggest thing that I always ask....what the 
does it matter if he was born here or not? Honestly seriously....why does it matter? Yes its a legal requirement, but should it really be? Its totally unneeded and anyone that has lived in this country as long as he has should be qualified anyways. If you dislike his politics...fine...but to claim he is not qualified to be president is just insane both because he obviously was born here and as I said even if he was not it really does not freaking matter.
does it matter if he was born here or not? Honestly seriously....why does it matter? Yes its a legal requirement, but should it really be? Its totally unneeded and anyone that has lived in this country as long as he has should be qualified anyways. If you dislike his politics...fine...but to claim he is not qualified to be president is just insane both because he obviously was born here and as I said even if he was not it really does not freaking matter.[quote name='DestroCobra']I don't think I'll be going anywhere unless I violate anything in the EULA in this board. As far as the ignore button that's cool ignore me. However, I still don't see any kind of symbolization of a watermark in boxes 20, 21 and 23 and that was zoomed in at 400 and 600%. As far as the constitution goes it's the only thing that is holding this country together right now. Once our rights are gone hope you learn to speak Chinese when the debt ceiling collapses. As well last time i checked this is a political discussion forum to express our views and not flame other users because of their opinions..[/QUOTE]
Who needs to criticize opinions when it's much more fun to criticize the way in which one comes to those opinions.
Who needs to criticize opinions when it's much more fun to criticize the way in which one comes to those opinions.
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