Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize--oh really?

[quote name='Mike23']There's a few decent reasons why he should have won:

1) Paid the US's debt to the UN
2) Ended the silly, far-fetched, Eastern Europe missile defence system
3) Beginning the process of shutting down Guantanamo

He's certainly no Lester B. Pearson though[/QUOTE]

1. He did no such thing. Congress appropriates monies, not the president.
2. Well, I've outlined my views on this in the Israel/Iran bombing poll thread, but suffice to say I completely and totally disagree.
3. Beginning? Okay, beginning is true. Actually having it happen is another thing. They have no plan in place for how to do it, Congress is putting provisions in bills forbidding that he use any money to move any of the prisoners from Guantanamo, and nearly every member of Congress is dead set against allowing any prisoner from Guantanamo to be housed in their district or state. Oh, and the White House has already admitted they most likely won't meet Obama's foolish deadline to shut down Guantanamo.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5is2nUUesxWnxcNhYPUBwepsfkuzgD9B782B80
The bill, passed by a 281-146 vote, also prohibits the Obama administration from transferring any detainees being held at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba to the U.S. until 45 days after the administration submits a comprehensive plan for closing the controversial prison.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ks-off-deadline-on-Gitmo-closing-8355233.html

And of course you're right about Pearson.

Anyway, back on topic, I think everyone knows that the Nobel Peace Prize is basically a politicized joke at this point anyway. I mean, Al Gore's fantastic (read: loony) ideas about 20-foot sea level rises were worth one, right?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']You didn't read one word of that besides the title, did you?

The whole thing is telling him to do the right thing by pulling out of Afghanistan and

Yup what a hate parade[/QUOTE]

Beat me to it. Man, deathscythehe, I really don't like being lied to. Here I was expecting to finally see a good reason to turn against Michael Moore, and instead he just said most of what I was already thinking. Really, you're afraid of Obama in the first place, and you'd hate nearly anyone who won the prize anyway, and we all know this, so what more is there to say?

Someone said it here and on Morning Joe today, and got no real replies, but who else should have won the award besides Obama? (only person I could come up with is Queen Rania of Jordan, but I'm biased because she's hot as hell).
 
[quote name='Sporadic']You didn't read one word of that besides the title, did you?

The whole thing is telling him to do the right thing by pulling out of Afghanistan and



Yup what a hate parade[/QUOTE]

Wow, you don't understand sarcasm do you?
The whole point was even the left is pointing out the fact that he has done absolutely nothing. I guess that one went over your head though.
 
[quote name='deathscythehe']Wow, you don't understand sarcasm do you?
The whole point was even the left is pointing out the fact that he has done absolutely nothing. I guess that one went over your head though.[/QUOTE]

I do when it is used correctly.

Again

There are those who say you've done nothing yet to deserve this award. As far as I'm concerned, the very fact that you've offered to walk into the minefield of hate and try to undo the irreparable damage the last president did is not only appreciated by me and millions of others, it is also an act of true bravery. That's why you got the prize. The whole world is depending on the U.S. -- and you -- to literally save this planet. Let's not let them down.
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wait what?!??! He hasn't done anything yet to deserve this. Has he sat down with all the warring nations leaders in the middle east and got them to become friends over night? NO!!! Wake me up when he solves the world's problems over night.
 
He won an award. He didn't submit himself but people on conservative websites are acting like his every action was aimed at winning this award.

He also plans to donate the ENTIRE $1.4 million to charity. You don't think the Red Cross (or some other worthwhile charity) will be ecstatic at getting something like that? No. Some of you will scrutinize every dollar that the future charity (probably not the Red Cross) goes through until you find some world wide Socialist conspiracy that will have us all goose stepping down the street.

Why don't we come up with ways to help him achieve peace? The little bullshit "He doesn't deserve it!!!" posts just make you guys all sound like haters. Let's all put the petty squabbles aside for a couple months and do things that really benefit the community instead of bitching about an American receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. Stop being the office hater that watches everyone else get promoted and never realizes that HE'S the problem.
 
[quote name='SpazX']And honestly, who has won it that conservatives didn't hate at the time that they won it?[/QUOTE]
Kissinger?
[quote name='Mike23']There's a few decent reasons why he should have won:

1) Paid the US's debt to the UN
2) Ended the silly, far-fetched, Eastern Europe missile defence system
3) Beginning the process of shutting down Guantanamo
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He's certainly no Lester B. Pearson though[/QUOTE]
Somehow, I knew this thread would someone you. Get back to consorting with separatists and socialists, Liberal!
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Kissinger?[/QUOTE]

Haha, I knew somebody would say something about Kissinger. But surely he deserved it since that was back in the day when it really meant something.

Now it's just emo kids whining about girls...wait what are we talking about?
 
[quote name='62t']I like the UK Guardian article that suggests Obama really has only one honorable choice to take - to return the prize and say he has not yet achieved his goals and cannot accept it.

Some of the other nominees

Chinese Human Rights Activist Hu Jia - imprisoned for campaigning for human rights in the PRC

Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China’s communist system. (Not to mention the symbolic value of awarding a Chinese dissident on the 20th Anniversary of the Tianenmen Square Massacre.)

Greg Mortenson, founder of the Central Asia Institute has built nearly 80 schools, especially for girls, in remote areas of northern Pakistan and Afghanistan over the past 15 years.

Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, a philosophy professor in Jordan who risks his life by advocating interfaith dialogue between Jews and Muslims.

Afghan human rights activist Sima Samar. She currently leads the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission and serves as the U.N. special envoy to Darfur.[/QUOTE]

Obama should have been at the bottom of this list of people. His only accomplishment at the time of nomination was being elected not Bush.
 
[quote name='62t']I like the UK Guardian article that suggests Obama really has only one honorable choice to take - to return the prize and say he has not yet achieved his goals and cannot accept it.

Some of the other nominees

Chinese Human Rights Activist Hu Jia - imprisoned for campaigning for human rights in the PRC

Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China’s communist system. (Not to mention the symbolic value of awarding a Chinese dissident on the 20th Anniversary of the Tianenmen Square Massacre.)

Greg Mortenson, founder of the Central Asia Institute has built nearly 80 schools, especially for girls, in remote areas of northern Pakistan and Afghanistan over the past 15 years.

Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, a philosophy professor in Jordan who risks his life by advocating interfaith dialogue between Jews and Muslims.

Afghan human rights activist Sima Samar. She currently leads the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission and serves as the U.N. special envoy to Darfur.[/QUOTE]

Obama should have been at the bottom of this list of people. His only accomplishment at the time of nomination was being elected not Bush. All of these people on this list are exposing themselves to significant risk to better other's lives. If you want the Nobel Peace Prize to mean something, these are the type of people that need to win it not people like the President of the United States and other world leaders who are doing their jobs.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Obama should have been at the bottom of this list of people. . .[/QUOTE]

Sorry, the international Nobel Prize committee doesn't agree with you. :(
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']
like anyone here does anything to change other people's lives.

[/QUOTE]

I do. I teach 7th and 8th grade in Chicago Public Schools. My entire career is devoted to changing people's lives. I understand why conservatives are a shudder at Obama's nomination. Afterall, he's trying to use diplomacy and understanding to promote peace; whereas the neocons want the person with the biggest gun to be the peacemaker...the best thing that Obama can do to earn that Nobel Peace Prize is bring up Bush, Cheney and a good deal of the rest of the previous administration up on charges of treason.
 
[quote name='loserboy']I do. I teach 7th and 8th grade in Chicago Public Schools. My entire career is devoted to changing people's lives. I understand why conservatives are a shudder at Obama's nomination. Afterall, he's trying to use diplomacy and understanding to promote peace; whereas the neocons want the person with the biggest gun to be the peacemaker...the best thing that Obama can do to earn that Nobel Peace Prize is bring up Bush, Cheney and a good deal of the rest of the previous administration up on charges of treason.[/QUOTE]

:roll: Hyperbole much? You shouldn't, as you're a teacher. You don't really think that people who disagree with you politically, or even those who implement policies you are opposed to, should be charged with treason, do you?
 
I don't see a reason why he doesn't deserve it, I mean the Bush administration left alot of food on his plate to chew, just give him more time. As for progress, forming a relationship with Venezuela after Bush decided to be a ****head to them, he's making progress. And think of all the oil!!!! Btw, his presidency is a turning point in history, he's the first black president for **** sake..
 
I'm just loving all the sudden "award don't mean shit anymore" talk and the feigned outrage over Obama winning.

As if anybody would have given a shit otherwise.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Nine Inch Nails did it better (and it actually made sense)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQMkhbJAnE[/QUOTE]
Thanks for reminding me why NIN has never grown on me.

[quote name='RAMSTORIA']when i woke up and read this, i couldnt believe it. this just further degrades the nobel peace prize. there were 204 other nominees for the peace prize this year, a record, and yet none of them deserved it more than obama? i find that hard to believe.



this is as close as i can get it to the CAGs guidelines, had to remove most of the frames and reduce the colors quite a bit...

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Thanks RAM!
 
[quote name='The Crotch']

Somehow, I knew this thread would someone you. Get back to consorting with separatists and socialists, Liberal![/QUOTE]

There's a Conservative-Socialist coalition going on right now, eh?

He does get by with a little help from his friends...
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']I'm just loving all the sudden "award don't mean shit anymore" talk and the feigned outrage over Obama winning.

As if anybody would have given a shit otherwise.[/QUOTE]

i dont know if its outrage so much as it is shock over the whole thing. it just doesnt make sense. look at some of the past winners... mlk jr, dalia lama, mother theresa, nelson mandela, unicef, amnesty international...

in 2007 al gore won the peace prize for a movie over Irena Sendler, who smuggled jewish children out of nazi germany and then two years later Obama gets the nod seemingly out of nowhere. so the conservative crowd (and especially pundits) are justified in raising an eyebrow.
 
[quote name='Magus8472']Now if only he could get that honorary degree.[/QUOTE]

Haha yeah I forgot about that, pretty funny stuff. Man, its easier for Obama to get the Nobel Peace Prize than an honorary degree from Arizona State University. Crazy world we live in eh?
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Hmm. Only 2 months after winning a Nobel PEACE Prize, he sends 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Interesting. :/[/QUOTE]

Didn't you hear the new slogan? "War is peace."
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Hmm. Only 2 months after winning a Nobel PEACE Prize, he sends 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Interesting. :/[/QUOTE]

They're just going to hand out flowers and lollipops.


Excellent bump bruh.
 
[quote name='gareman']I didn't hear that slogan at all....when did he say that during his speech?

Here's some George Orwell conservatives need to read.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm[/QUOTE]

I remember referring to this while telling my American Lit professor that Kate Chopin's The Awakening sucked and was lazy writing.

She replied by letting the class know that George Orwell was propaganda.

EDIT: Well done, el p.
 
[quote name='gareman']I didn't hear that slogan at all....when did he say that during his speech?

Here's some George Orwell conservatives need to read.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm[/QUOTE]

Thanks for linking. I've already read that and would recommend it to others, as I would recommend just about anything written by Orwell, one of my favorite authors.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Thanks for linking. I've already read that and would recommend it to others, as I would recommend just about anything written by Orwell, one of my favorite authors.[/QUOTE]

I could be wrong but aren't you more of a "libertarian" one who is for freedom and liberty two vague indefensible words that have lost pretty much all meaning....the exact focus of that essay.
 
[quote name='gareman']I could be wrong but aren't you more of a "libertarian" one who is for freedom and liberty two vague indefensible words that have lost pretty much all meaning....the exact focus of that essay.[/QUOTE]

On some issues I have a libertarian bent, some issues conservative, some issues liberal. I do tend to be for a much smaller government, but that's not entirely the same as libertarian. Obviously I'm not going to agree with everything anyone writes, but I also enjoy reading or listening to opposing arguments that are intelligence and well thought out, even if I disagree with them. It is for this reason that I am appalled at the ignorance and propagandist tendencies that find fertile ground among our two major political parties.
 
[quote name='gareman']I could be wrong but aren't you more of a "libertarian" one who is for freedom and liberty two vague indefensible words that have lost pretty much all meaning....the exact focus of that essay.[/QUOTE]

The word liberty isn't in the essay. Ctrl and F can be true friends.

...

However, let's bash libertarians. Ready? People like me were on the side of the farmer during the attack.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']The word liberty isn't in the essay. Ctrl and F can be true friends.

...

However, let's bash libertarians. Ready? People like me were on the side of the farmer during the attack.[/QUOTE]


No its not exactly in the essay, but when he talks about defending the indefensible he is referring to words such as liberty.

"The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides."

I actually think Obama does a very good job of not falling into these problems. He rarely uses the patriotic or justice and when he uses the word freedom he almost always gives real life examples of what he is talking about.
 
the writer of that article is just a racist and obama is a good man. i mean he is the most peaceful person out there hence the noble peace prize he won. all obama has to do is say there is peace in the world and it happens; just like when he spoke all the world into existance and made man in his own image.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']but it is odd the peace candidate has more deployed troops than the warmonger.[/QUOTE]

It would be odd if he deployed more troops to new locations like Somalia or other places but he's deploying to fix the warmonger's problems. Not an equal situation.
 
[quote name='depascal22']It would be odd if he deployed more troops to new locations like Somalia or other places but he's deploying to fix the warmonger's problems. Not an equal situation.[/QUOTE]

We could also ignore the problems caused by the warmonger. We've done it before.
 
[quote name='depascal22']It would be odd if he deployed more troops to new locations like Somalia or other places but he's deploying to fix the warmonger's problems. Not an equal situation.[/QUOTE]

Thank the good lord he's using totally different tactics than the warmonger would have to fix the warmongers problems.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Thank the good lord he's using totally different tactics than the warmonger would have to fix the warmongers problems.[/QUOTE]
Well... technically speaking, you want "strategy", not "tactics".

And more technically speaking, the warmonger's strategy involved sending way too few soldiers, which, as far as I can tell, is the opposite problem that you're having here. But... eh, fuck it, I'm gonna go eat a bowl of soup.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Well... technically speaking, you want "strategy", not "tactics".

And more technically speaking, the warmonger's strategy involved sending way too few soldiers, which, as far as I can tell, is the opposite problem that you're having here. But... eh, fuck it, I'm gonna go eat a bowl of soup.[/QUOTE]

The strategy is to outsource the war to mercenaries.
 
Eh... I dunno if that's the best plan. I mean, sure, they do great work, but they're buggy as hell. One moment they're sneaking into enemy bases simply by driving a vehicle with their flag on it despite being white and not speaking their language, and the next, they're glitching into walls.

And let's not talk about the number of times they slowly plodded a Chinese APC up the side of a slippery mountain to attack the enemy base from the rear only to run into an unbreakable wall of trees part-way through the descent.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Eh... I dunno if that's the best plan. I mean, sure, they do great work, but they're buggy as hell. One moment they're sneaking into enemy bases simply by driving a vehicle with their flag on it despite being white and not speaking their language, and the next, they're glitching into walls.

And let's not talk about the number of times they slowly plodded a Chinese APC up the side of a slippery mountain to attack the enemy base from the rear only to run into an unbreakable wall of trees part-way through the descent.[/QUOTE]

You're so cute. Isn't there a patch for that?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']The strategy is to outsource the war to mercenaries.[/QUOTE]

The same mercenaries that kill indiscriminately and leave our country looking even worse in the eyes of the world? No thanks.

During the election, Obama always promised that he would treat Afghanistan and Iraq differently. Now he is but you guys still want to bitch?

I have a feeling that the President couldn't have Swiss cheese without thousands of assholes getting on his case for not picking Wisconsin Cheddar. Then if he switched to Wisconsin cheddar, thousands more would bitch that he should've picked California cheddar. You guys need to find something to do.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Look at the other articles that site has at the bottom and tell me if they really want to be taken seriously.[/QUOTE]

You mean Rod Jetton?

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/po...arge-filed-against-former-speaker-rod-jetton/

OK. How about this right wing nutbag?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/l...re-there-afghanistan-military-gives-us-number

Oh, wait. Same article, different wrapping.

How about Reuters? We like Reuters, right?

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5A204D20091103

Ah, the correct answer is "I don't know."
 
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