Official 2011-12 NFL Regular Season Thread

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[quote name='bvharris']So if Denver wasn't playing so poorly they'd be playing better? Okay, I'll agree with that.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. If they'd have been down 6 or less going into the 4th, they'd have been a touchdown away from winning that game or at least taking it to OT.

All he's saying is, these Broncos are a tough team who could surprise a few teams in the playoffs if they can manage put a lot of points on the board, defend well, and not turn the ball over.

Also, has anybody noticed Tebow's physical toughness out there? It occurred to me that he's like a fullback out there.
 
[quote name='dothog']All he's saying is, these Broncos are a tough team who could surprise a few teams in the playoffs if they can manage put a lot of points on the board, defend well, and not turn the ball over.[/QUOTE]

So basically if they played well, they would win? :lol:
 
[quote name='dothog']Also, has anybody noticed Tebow's physical toughness out there? It occurred to me that he's like a fullback out there.[/QUOTE]

It didn't "occur" to you. Phil Sims said that, lol.
 
The NFL should send footage of Elvis Dumervil absolutely planting Tom Brady on a sack today to every headhunting defensive player in this league as proof you don't need to lead with your helmet like a maniac to deal a punishing hit. I'm just glad Brady got up, because he got walloped.

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[quote name='bvharris']The NFL should send footage of Elvis Dumervil absolutely planting Tom Brady on a sack today to every headhunting defensive player in this league as proof you don't need to lead with your helmet like a maniac to deal a punishing hit. I'm just glad Brady got up, because he got walloped.

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How did Brady not fumble that? His helmet was on the ball and everything.
 
What I meant was. The offense turning the ball over and over and over and over again lead to the Defense spending more and more time on the field. They got worn out and the Patriots exposed it.
 
[quote name='YKRG2013']What I meant was. The offense turning the ball over and over and over and over again lead to the Defense spending more and more time on the field. They got worn out and the Patriots exposed it.[/QUOTE]

Uh, what? The Patriots scored a TD the first time they got the ball and they scored more in the first half than the second half. Doesn't make any sense that they were "worn out" unless they can only last a quarter.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']How did Brady not fumble that? His helmet was on the ball and everything.[/QUOTE]

He probably didn't fumble it because it WAS a clean hit. If he had gone in helmet first, that ball would have went flying. Kinda sucks, but that's almost an argument FOR dirtier hits on defense.
 
[quote name='Kaelestis']Uh, what? The Patriots scored a TD the first time they got the ball and they scored more in the first half than the second half. Doesn't make any sense that they were "worn out" unless they can only last a quarter.[/QUOTE]

Did you watch the game? Long TD drive, followed by three turnovers in a row by Denver's offense and special teams. Of course they are going to be gassed. They got no break from their offense.
 
[quote name='bvharris']The NFL should send footage of Elvis Dumervil absolutely planting Tom Brady on a sack today to every headhunting defensive player in this league as proof you don't need to lead with your helmet like a maniac to deal a punishing hit. I'm just glad Brady got up, because he got walloped.

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Are you serious? For one that was kind of a shitty hit..it was clean so it looked nice but no real power behind it.

Also and this is the important thing...notice that he did IN FACT LEAD WITH HIS HEAD...the only difference is that he speared his chest instead of Brady's head. Go compare that hit to Harrisons hit on Colt and its the same form.

This clip only goes to show you that all real tacklers in the NFL (not these pussy new school throw a shoulder at them tacklers but old school hard hitters) have the same form and a lot of these calls are just coincidental....hell its easy to fucking aim at a ball carrier who isnt moving let alone looking at you. Its a little harder when they are also lowering their heads and or ducking, shimmying, diving in random direction that you cant predict.

If anyone can find it Michael Bush had a carry today in the first qrt of the Lions game in which he lowered his head and trucked our S....our S who also lowered his head to make the tackle made a completely clear helmet to helmet collision..with the only difference being he got trucked like a rag doll. No flag.



Its very clear that they call that helmet to helmet bullshit whenever they want to....kinda like holding...it happens 90% of ever tackle you just call it when golden boys get it. IE any QB or WR ever.
 
watching Tebow is just a blast, I wish I had more games of his on around here. The packer game was just terrible, what an absolutely boring game. Made the loss not so bad.
 
[quote name='packerfan10']I would think the Packers are no longer the team to beat. I think the Saints are the more consistent team :whistle2:/[/QUOTE]

Did you recently visit the Denver International airport?
 
[quote name='packerfan10']I would think the Packers are no longer the team to beat. I think the Saints are the more consistent team :whistle2:/[/QUOTE]

I agree if you mean consistently good indoors. They are going to get crushed at Lambeau in January.
 
Johnny Knox's surgery to "stabilize his vertebra" was successful, and should even be able to return to the field next season. I'm not fond of the Bears, but thank god he's alright.

Really painful to even watch, definitely not for the squeamish:

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[quote name='RAMSTORIA']I know Ben is hurt and Harrison suspended, but I loved watching us get that win![/QUOTE]

As a New England fan and an owner of the 49ers defense in fantasy, I'm almost as happy.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']Did you recently visit the Denver International airport?[/QUOTE]
No I didn't but I found out about the artwork a few weeks ago with the underground tunnels full of friendly gas. :applause:
 
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[quote name='RAMSTORIA']I know Ben is hurt and Harrison suspended, but I loved watching us get that win![/QUOTE]

Yup! It was awesome! Ben has made big plays in the past when he's been injured, so I was a little worried. But when Rogers grabbed that pick on the first drive in the end zone, I knew it was going to be a long night for him.

Also, I was happy to see the niners finally do something in the red zone. Two red zone TD's last night was big.

The niners should now be able to cruise into the #2 seed.
 
[quote name='Brownjohn']The niners should now be able to cruise into the #2 seed.[/QUOTE]

Slow down. That Seattle game Saturday is going to be very difficult.
 
[quote name='Dendaman']Johnny Knox's surgery to "stabilize his vertebra" was successful, and should even be able to return to the field next season. I'm not fond of the Bears, but thank god he's alright.

Really painful to even watch, definitely not for the squeamish:

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Holy shit. That is terrifying.

I'm thankful he's alive and the possibility that he may be able to return next year, let alone at all, is a miracle in itself.
 
Glad to hear Johnny Knox is OK. That was a nasty looking injury.

It's funny, after one game here in KC the fans want to anoint Orton the savior at QB and are ready to dump Cassell. Funny thing is if you compare their career stats they are very close. Orton has more total yards but more turnovers.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuOycrDEWeFVLvrD0fnVJv45nYcB?slug=ap-steelers-harrison

Rather than take his punishment like a man, James Harrison calls for the Browns to be punished and suggests that Colt McCoy either ducked into the helmet-to-helmet hit or was just too short to avoid taking that hit to the facemask.[/QUOTE]

As much as you dont want it...he has a right to. I complete understand. Can you blame a LB for want to actually hit hard? Can he control when other players duck, move, juke, shy away? No

All he wants to do is lay the wood to people and if their head happens to be there then it just gets hit. He simply is not a guy of the new school era and will not contort his entire body just for the benefit of High Chancellor Roger. Its not like Roy Williams who would being doing things that directly result in injures.

I dont blame him....is it right? Probably not but fuck em..if you dont like getting hit then take your bitch ass to the ground and stop trying to get more yards when he is around. I dont understand (actually I do) why an offensive player is allowed to get as many yards has they want while the defense has to "play it safe for the sake of the game." You dont have to get that extra 4 yards...you dont have to make the throw..you can throw the ball away or slide or curl up into a ball. I already cant stand these pussy ass throw a shoulder at them tackles...so I will fully support old school hitters because we will never see them again.

It clear that High Chancellor wants every game to be 50-45 with as many missed tackles as possible so keep fighting the good fight JH.
 
Sure, he's allowed to blame others for his own actions or try to spin the issue onto somebody else, but I'm allowed to call him out for whinging and not taking his lumps like a man. He acknowledged that Colt didn't duck, but then just blames his height for the way he took that hit to try to find that perfect angle to the story where he's unjustly punished for that shot.
 
You have to admit that he is being targeted greatly in this quest to end all defensive so each game can be a shoot out. The problem I have is that he has been in the league for a long time and only up until right now is he considered a dirty no account hitter.

The best way I can describe my feelings for JH is this, he reminds me so much of when I tried to teach my grand dad what the internet was. This is a 87 year old WWII vet and he sat there completely in awe that a computer here is also connected to a computer in china which is also connect to a computer in Florida and our cousin computer 2 blocks away.

He simply wasnt from that world and couldnt figure it out...same with people who work at the a plant for 30 years and then cant figure out how a robot can take their job.

JH has been hitting the same way his entire career...the only thing that has changed his the world around me. I 100% believe him when he says he doesnt understand how some of his hits are illegal now.

I also dont believe in these new rules which I feel have raped the game. So long live the last of the real hitters and at least I have people like Pat Willis, Von Miller and a very few others who have figured out how to do both. JH has just been here too long.
 
You guys do realize that James Harrsion was a rookie in 2002, right? if every other defensive player can play by the new rules (yes there are others who have penelties and fines, but no one with nearly as many as him), why should he be some special exception?And why doesnt he realize that all the attention makes him more watched by officials? If he just payed his fines and shut up, I bet the back judges would be looking more at where the ball was going after being released instead of staring him down waiting for his illegal hit on the QB. Just my opinion, but this is my #2 pet peeve in football talk and media coverage,
 
2002 was 10 fucking years ago...that is a extremely long time to play at such a high level specifically at the LB position which is one of the more impact heavy spots. And to my point, how many illegal hits has he got from his rookie year to about 2010? Very few, only now is his hitting deemed illegal.

And you want to know what my 1# pet peeve is?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011121800/2011/REG15/bengals@rams#menu=highlights&tab=recap

(its the 4 yard td run by Benson)

Pussy ass game breaking shoulder barge tackle. The reason why you think that other people "get it" it because most NFL players dont actually tackle anymore. Its hard to get a helmet to helmet flag when you are diving a peoples fucking shoes all game.

Now watch this highlight clip of Clay Matthews who I think is one of the best LB in the game right now. You notice? Can you see the biggest difference between a new school LB and a old school one? Clay who again is the one of the best LB in the game now ISNT ACTUALLY HITTING anyone...he simple drags them down. Thats the new school way...get to someone, grab them by the hips or shoulder pads and pull them down so they dont get hurt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7cLQg1NJo


The biggest difference in JH and other people is that he wants to hit people...not do pussy shoulder charges, not dive at their ankle and trip them up, not grab their elbow and pull them down like a bitch but actually hit people. And when you go for real hits you are bound to hit guys helmet more often than not since they are either trying to truck you or duck, both well result in the ball carrier lowering their helmet. He is the same has Bob Sanders who also by definition does ONLY illegal hits, all of these are illegal. Yeah its as simple as new school vs old school and I am firmly on the old school side. Screw you 50-45 games and throwing for 5k yards because you run 50 plus passing plays a game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnyCMWOZPtc
 
Also, before someone throws out the, "well Ray Lewis knows how to hit without getting fined," No he doesnt. He is another guy who actually hits people and he got fined for this one a while back.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeLKsV6FGpg&feature=related




And now because you guys got me on a tangent here is a clip from one of the most loved guys and hardest hitters of all time. John Lynch...virtually all of this hits are illegal. So again, JH isnt doing anything that any other real hitter has done. Why all the hate now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBjqMrmBWwg
 
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How can Patrick Willis can play at an all-pro level at the same position without playing dirty? Harrison is a scumbag, argument over.
 
You mean this guy who also horse collars and leads with his helmet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur89zHyY1ow

Horsecollar
Lead with helmet
5 tackles at the legs (which are not real hits)
Helmet to Helmet
Lead with the crown

Yeah, argument over....he is just as dirty as any other big hitter which in my opinion is not dirty at all but clearly you and everyone else are talking out of their ass. When he goes for a real hit he winds up hitting their helmets just like everyone else.

BOOM HITSTICK!!!!!
 
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[quote name='Soodmeg']You have to admit that he is being targeted greatly in this quest to end all defensive so each game can be a shoot out. The problem I have is that he has been in the league for a long time and only up until right now is he considered a dirty no account hitter.[/QUOTE]
He's targeted because he brings it on himself with his terrible attitude and makes it completely obvious what he's trying to do. It's not a conspiracy.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']
It clear that High Chancellor wants every game to be 50-45 with as many missed tackles as possible so keep fighting the good fight JH.[/QUOTE]

Nah, I thought it was pretty clear he wants to protect the NFL from being sued...I mean he cares about players safety.

They could probably go back to these real hitters, but it would probably result in a player who receives a concussions to be shut down for the rest of the season. The only problem with that is that the NFL doesn't have a farm system to replace these players.
 
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OK, I realize I'm probably late to the party but I found a website that streams all NFL games. It is working pretty good right now - I'm watching Jets/Giants. It's halftime in a game the Giants MUST win.... and they have looked awful so far. They need to make some second half adjustments.
 
[quote name='Nate Nanjo']Nah, I thought it was pretty clear he wants to protect the NFL from being sued...I mean he cares about players safety.

They could probably go back to these real hitters, but it would probably result in a player who receives a concussions to be shut down for the rest of the season. The only problem with that is that the NFL doesn't have a farm system to replace these players.[/QUOTE]

I call bullshit on that because of this reason. Now listen this was a while ago so I dont remember all the details but basically it was this. I dont have time right now to look it up but I will get it to you.

A indie company invented a helmet that reduce head injuries by a huge margin, like 40%. They presented to the NFL and they declined because it would be they would have to go away from their sponsored brands that already produced their helmets.

They basically choose money over safety.


Again, it was a long time ago and I will have to get you the details so take it with a grain of salt for right now.
 
Can someone explain to be how Bradshaw lowering his head and leading with the crown to run over Poole is not a helmet to helmet hit?

If the role was reversed it would be a flag....thats what I dont get about the rule. RBs basically spear defenders all the time.
 
ACL and MCL tear for Peterson. He might be missing time in to next season. It was a gruesome injury, and the Vikings lost Ponder two plays later as well.
 
The stupidity of the Vikings organization never ceases to amaze me, wtf was AP even doing out there to begin with at this point in the season with pretty much nothing to play for with the num 1 draft pick out of reach and Ap himself just coming back from INJURY? I know AP wants to compete but wtf was the rush for, now he pulled a Kevin Nash :applause:
 
[quote name='renique46']The stupidity of the Vikings organization never ceases to amaze me, wtf was AP even doing out there to begin with at this point in the season with pretty much nothing to play for with the num 1 draft pick out of reach and Ap himself just coming back from INJURY? I know AP wants to compete but wtf was the rush for, now he pulled a Kevin Nash :applause:[/QUOTE]

Are you serious? Being eliminated from the playoffs doesn't mean you should stop playing your games and star players. Also, the injury he returned from wasn't the same injury that happened yesterday. There's more to playing football than just playing for the #1 pick and the playoffs. Cam Newton might get hurt and the Panthers aren't making the playoffs, should they bench him? What about MJD and the Jaguars?

The implication of what you're saying would basically make the last 3-4 games of the season completely pointless.
 
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