Official (2015-2016) College Football Thread OSU#1

much, I hate yer 'horns right about now. That field goal kept the BCS championship from being Alabamer/Cincinnati.

[quote name='pitfallharry219']Florida is going to crush Cincinnati.[/QUOTE]

I hope not. Computer calculations have Cincy going over 24-21. I still see Cincy as the underdog, but think they do have a small chance. I'm just glad they got Florida - it's not a real playoff system, but it's a show of faith in UC as a team.
 
They never have been, nor will they ever be, my horns. I will be rooting for them against SPUAT, though. Still, they don't have much of a chance.
 
Fair enough.

Pics from UC's thing this evening (stolen from the Cincinnati Enquirer):

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cute. guess they knew ahead of time. on second thought, of course they did.

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BOOTSY!
 
Was hoping for Florida-TCU. I'm pleased with Auburn getting the Outback Bowl, but I don't know how exciting playing against Northwestern will be. Hoping Bama gets beat. Can't stand to listen to Alabama fans for another year.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']So the Matchups are:

Rose: Ohio State-Oregon
Fiesta: TCU-Boise State
Orange: GT-Iowa
Sugar: Florida-Cincy

MNC: Alabama-Texas[/QUOTE]

Rose: Oregon
Fiesta: TCU
Orange: GT
Sugar: Florida

As for Alabama and Texas, I don't want to jinx myself by making any predictions.
 
Here's what one of my favorite Auburn bloggers has to say about the UT thing. I agree with him:

Biggest travesty of the weekend: That Texas, following a narrow win in which a second was put back on the clock so it could kick a field goal, was just assumed to be in the national championship after beating Nebraska. TCU and Cincinnati have just as legitimate arguments of being in the national title game. The Big 12 flat out stunk this year. Nobody seems to be saying this. Nebraska and Oklahoma had no offenses. Oklahoma State was mediocre. Nobody else was any good. I'd put TCU's wins against Clemson, BYU and Utah and Cincinnati's wins against Oregon State, West Virginia and Pittsburgh up against anything the Longhorns have accomplished this year. And what does Boise State have to do to ever get some respect? What a joke of a postseason setup. This would be the perfect year for an eight-team playoff. Perfect! But alas, we're stuck with a bowl system that will, bare minimum, leave us with two undefeated teams (possibly three) at the end of the year. It's the only sport that does this and there's no rational reason for not having a playoff. It's stupid and college football fans like myself are cheated of a legitimate conclusion to the season. [end of rant]
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-ncaafplayoff120709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

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Just like the wildly popular and profitable NCAA men’s basketball tournament, champions of all 11 conferences earn an automatic bid to the playoff.

Yes, all 11, even the lousy conferences. While no one would argue that the Sun Belt champ is one of the top 16 teams in the country, its presence is paramount to maintaining the integrity and relevancy of the regular season. While the idea that the season is a four-month playoff is both inaccurate and absurd – best proven this year – college football’s roller-coaster regular season needs to be protected.

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The bowl lobby is a powerful one though, which is why just about every idea you’ll hear or read will use these bowls for the quarterfinals and these for the semifinals and so on. Or they float out the “Plus One” system, which while an improvement to the current BCS, is essentially a desperate Stockholm syndrome compromise. The bowls’ sole concern is keeping their grip on the system when reform inevitably comes.
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cincy has no defense, I would of rather seen TCU and Florida play. As much as I don't like Florida, they will destroy cincy.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Of course. They're undefeated because they have no defense.[/QUOTE]

They don't have much of a defense. Hence the 45-44 win over Pitt, the 47-45 win over UCONN, 49-36 win over a bad Illinois team etc.

They just have a great offense and were able to outscore teams. That will be much tougher against Florida. UC's defense has to find a way to slow them down, along with their offense having a great game, to have a chance.

If Kelly leaves, and doesn't coach in the game, I see them getting rolled unfortunately. If he stays, and rallies the team as a result, I think they have a chance if they play their A game on both sides of the ball.
 
Cincy has to play a near perfect game and cause some turnovers. I think it depends on Florida attitude going into the game as well.For example look at what Utah did to Bama last year after they lost the SEC. There are also numerous other examples in the past where the players pretty much check out of the bowl game after a major loss. I don't think that just because a team loses their head coach before a game they're dead in the water. WVU lost Rich Rod in 2007 and look how bad they destroyed Oklahoma. However, if Kelly gets the ND job he knows his players and must decide if he can rally them for one last game or if it would be best to leave them to his assistant.
 
With the lack of defense that Cincy plays, I fully expect Florida to crush them. I think Florida is the better all around team, and I expect Cincy to get exposed.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']They don't have much of a defense. Hence the 45-44 win over Pitt, the 47-45 win over UCONN, 49-36 win over a bad Illinois team etc.

They just have a great offense and were able to outscore teams. That will be much tougher against Florida. UC's defense has to find a way to slow them down, along with their offense having a great game, to have a chance.

If Kelly leaves, and doesn't coach in the game, I see them getting rolled unfortunately. If he stays, and rallies the team as a result, I think they have a chance if they play their A game on both sides of the ball.[/QUOTE]

The same could be said of the Gators. Escapes at LSU and South Carolina, add in the ref cheating that won the Arkansas game or the cheating in the Miss St win. All these games were decided in the fourth. You then can add in the loss to Bama.

Evalution of UF... Defense - let's see one player gets DUI and doesn't play and they can't stop a play all game. Fourth quarter they couldn't stop runs in the middle one after another. You can add another TD onto the score (it would have happen if Saban wasn't classy). UF couldn't make tackles all game... Offense - they haven't been nearly exposive since the loss of Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy as well as Dan Mullin. Not a good sign that Demps (UF's starting running back) can't catch a ball in the flat. Bama exposed them. Force Tebow to throw and guard Hernandez and the game is over since no one on the team can seem to catch a ball... oh and don't go past Tebow on the pass rush. Special Teams... with Brandon James in a boot, it might be non-existant. He has a month to recover...

Cincy has an explosive offense. Being that the Gators might be without Dunlap again (pending DUI case), Pike will have all day to throw the ball. The Gators couldn't get any type of pass rush against Bama only getting to McElroy once without him. Yes their defense isn't the best but they have a month to prepare. They have plenty of film as Bama exposed the offensive weaknesses.

I think the game will be a lot better than you give Cincy credit for. Out of the BCS bowl picture, this and the Boise St/TCU games are too close to call IMO. The rest are pretty easy to call. Bama, GT, and Oregon should all win easily.

On another note, I feel for the Gator fans next year. Their team will go to mediocrisy without the leadership of Tebow, the return man of Brandon James, and the defensive presense of Haden, Dunlap, and Spikes.
 
I do think it will be a decent game. I expect Florida to be a little flat like Alabama last year, and Cincy hopefully will be fired up.

I was just commenting that Cincy's defense has indeed been their week point all year, and they haven't played a team as good as UF as the Big East just isn't a great league (as much as it pains me to say as a WVU fan)--so if Florida isn't flat and UC is it could get ugly.

And I do worry that they could be flat of Kelley leaves. WVU came out fired up as the players were pissed off at Rodriguez as he'd almost left for Alabama the year before, before turning it down at the last minute, signing a big extension and saying he'd coach at wvu "as long as they'd have him."

I don't see the Cincy players having that fire--they won't be pissed at Kelly. Just disappointed most likely. But if he stays, or if I'm wrong and they're fired up even if he's gone, then I agree that it should be a damn good game.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']Cincy has to play a near perfect game and cause some turnovers. I think it depends on Florida attitude going into the game as well.For example look at what Utah did to Bama last year after they lost the SEC.[/QUOTE]

Bingo.

[quote name='dmaul1114']If Kelly leaves, and doesn't coach in the game, I see them getting rolled unfortunately. If he stays, and rallies the team as a result, I think they have a chance if they play their A game on both sides of the ball.[/QUOTE]

Yup. That would be a hugely demoralizing blow to the Bearcats for sure.

You can criticize UC's defense all you want, but they went undefeated all season long, and it's not like y'all can give any good, solid reasons why Texas deserves to be ranked higher than Cincy - other than that they're a legacy team who started off ranked highly without any wins. Whoopee!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
You can criticize UC's defense all you want, but they went undefeated all season long, and it's not like y'all can give any good, solid reasons why Texas deserves to be ranked higher than Cincy - other than that they're a legacy team who started off ranked highly without any wins. Whoopee![/QUOTE]

I personally think TCU or Boise St should be in the BCS title game over Texas or Cincy. Boise State holding LeGarrette Blount to 5 yards and the Oregon rushing attack to 31 yards was the best win for one of the 5 undefeateds IMO. Remember Blount previous year ran for over 1000 yards (7.9 yards/carry) with 17 TDs. Also, note this same Oregon team ran on USC for 391 yards.

As for Brian Kelly... No matter whether he is there or not, I think the kids will still be fired up to keep themselves undefeated.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
You can criticize UC's defense all you want, but they went undefeated all season long, and it's not like y'all can give any good, solid reasons why Texas deserves to be ranked higher than Cincy - other than that they're a legacy team who started off ranked highly without any wins. Whoopee![/QUOTE]


Oh, I agree 110% with that. There's no clear way to differentiate Texas, Cincy and TCU.

All are 12-0. None played particularly great schedules--don't think any beat anyone currently in the top 10 (maybe not even top 15). Bama played in the SEC, and beat VT out of conference, so they're the clear number one. After that, it's a clusterfuck.

I'd have loved to have seen Cincy in the title game as a fellow Big East team fan. But I'm not going to talk up their defense as they gave up a lot of points to not so great teams. But even with that said, I can't say they're not as good as Texas. They just got fucked for not being a power team and starting the season unranked while Texas always starts highly ranked.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Oh, I agree 110% with that. There's no clear way to differentiate Texas, Cincy and TCU.

All are 12-0. None played particularly great schedules--don't think any beat anyone currently in the top 10 (maybe not even top 15). Bama played in the SEC, and beat VT out of conference, so they're the clear number one. After that, it's a clusterfuck.[/QUOTE]

That's where Boise St comes into picture. Their schedule might be cakewalk but they beat Oregon, who is number 7 in BCS. ;)
 
[quote name='lordopus99']That's where Boise St comes into picture. Their schedule might be cakewalk but they beat Oregon, who is number 7 in BCS. ;)[/QUOTE]

Yep, which puts them right in the mix as well. Though not up there with Cincy or TCU for me since that was the first game of the year and their schedule sucked after that.

So I give Cincy and TCU more credit for beating solid teams like Oregon State, WVU, Pitt and Clemson, Utah and BYU respectively throughout the year. Vs. having one great win early.

But it's just a clusterfuck to try and say who among the rest of the unbeaten teams deservers to play Alabama. You could make a solid case for any of the 4 of them--but I'd say it's a toss up among Cincy/Texas/TCU with Boise lagging slightly behind.
 
/\ lol.. Bama's Rolando McClain won the Butkus award for the nations top linebacker.. would love to see Mark Ingram get the Heisman also. Tennessee is also under investigation for their recruiting practices.
 
[quote name='billyrox']
Here's the current preseason AP poll with SEC on top.

AP Top 25 1. Georgia (22) 0-0 1,528 2. Ohio State (21) 0-0 1,506 3. USC (12) 0-0 1,490 4. Oklahoma (4) 0-0 1,444 5. Florida (6) 0-0 1,415 6. Missouri 0-0 1,266 7. LSU 0-0 1,135 8. West Virginia 0-0 1,116 9. Clemson 0-0 1,10510. Auburn 0-0 96811. Texas 0-0 96612. Texas Tech 0-0 78613. Wisconsin 0-0 77114. Kansas 0-0 70715. Arizona State 0-0 63116. Brigham Young 0-0 59017. Virginia Tech 0-0 57818. Tennessee 0-0 50919. South Florida 0-0 49620. Illinois 0-0 48321. Oregon 0-0 36622. Penn State 0-0 29323. Wake Forest 0-0 22724. Alabama 0-0 8925. Pittsburgh 0-0 85[/QUOTE]

The preseason polls should be abolished. Look at this clusterfuck. And this in a season that had relatively few upsets.
 
[quote name='Halo05']The preseason polls should be abolished. Look at this clusterfuck. And this in a season that had relatively few upsets.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure you're looking at the preseason for 2008, not 2009 there.
 
As you were, sure am. My belief about the preseason polls still stands. How can one team be better than another when no one has played anyone?
 
Yeah, polls shouldn't be released until the first BCS comes out in November. Otherwise, starting at our near the top is a huge advantage. Win out and you'll stay their, even if their are other unbeaten teams who may be better, as pollsters will seldom move down teams that don't lose.
 
^ What else would ESPN talk about for 6 weeks?

Lol at USC being #4 in the preseason poll and finishing 5th in their conference standings at the end of the regular season.
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']/\ lol.. Bama's Rolando McClain won the Butkus award for the nations top linebacker.. would love to see Mark Ingram get the Heisman also. Tennessee is also under investigation for their recruiting practices.[/QUOTE]

I didn't think Alabama cared about the Heisman, or any other trophies other than National Championships. How many is your team going for this year? 8? 9? or is it 13?
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']According to an ESPN report, Kelly to Notre Dame is a done deal now. He'll announce it tonight at the Cincinnati banquet.[/QUOTE]


Damn, I was really hoping for Harbaugh.
 
C.R.E.A.M.

or, in this case, Brian Kelly. He's easily going from $1.4M/year to $3M/year or more.

I don't begrudge a man for wanting to double his salary, especially when it comes from a school staffed by marks who erroneously think of themselves as having a snowball's chance in hell of reclaiming their legacy. I'm plenty sour that the Bearcats will have a new coach at the helm to see them decimated by Florida at the Sugar Bowl, but that's more due to the structure of college football.

I hope UC does well in the future. They may not be as good without Kelly, but the loss of Gilyard to the NFL will be a larger factor IMO - and even if they don't go undefeated, as long as they perform notably better than Notre Dame, I'll enjoy some smug self-satisfaction from that.
 
Honestly, I can't even see why coaches would go. The money is great but you'll be smothered by a completely misplaced and inappropriate sense of entitlement when you don't win a BCS bowl every single year.
 
Joe Torre was shitcanned from the Yankees. I see the same myopic viewpoint in South Bend.

I hope Kelly regrets the move. Pitifully enough, I was cool with him seeking options until he left. Knowing that he lied to his team (the team didn't know until the world knew, about 10 minutes before their Senior's Banquet this evening) makes me have very, very little respect for him. Dodging the issue is one thing, but he told his players he was staying. And he didn't. fuck that guy.
 
I grew up a huge Irish fan but even I have to admit the Alumi have more money than sense. Weis has been on the hot seat for the last couple years so what did they do, sign the guy to an extension! I know they are basically considered to be the New York Yankees of college football so there won't be much love for them in here.
 
I never heard anything about them sleeping with recruits. That kind of stuff goes on all over the place. I'm sure Auburn does it in some capacity. I recall a couple of years ago the same girl hanging all over a couple of high profile SPUAT recruits.
 
[quote name='darthbudge']Yeah, I hadn't about them sleeping with people, but it wouldn't shock me considering how much of a sleaze ball Lane Kiffin is. He would probably be all for that.[/QUOTE]

If you looked into it, I am pretty sure other colleges go in practices like this, whether the hostesses or the booster money.
 
[quote name='Halo05']Honestly, I can't even see why coaches would go. The money is great but you'll be smothered by a completely misplaced and inappropriate sense of entitlement when you don't win a BCS bowl every single year.[/QUOTE]

Coaching at this level generally requires big egos and lots of ambition.

The $$$ are a big part of it, but so is the prestige of a program like Notre Dame. He has the ego to believe he can turn it around--and maybe he can. Time will tell.

And if he does, he'll earn a lot more fame and recognition as a great coach that would vastly eclipse what he would get if he stayed at Cincy long term. Same with Rodriguez leaving WVU for Michigan 2 years ago etc. It's not just the money (especially in that case since it was only about a $500,000 raise and he had to pay a $4 million buyout to WVU).

It's about the ego and ambition driving them to want the biggest stage possible.
 
[quote name='darthbudge']Yeah, I hadn't about them sleeping with people, but it wouldn't shock me considering how much of a sleaze ball Lane Kiffin is. He would probably be all for that.[/QUOTE]

It's terrible, but I've heard rumors of that at both the big schools I went to. Staff sets up hot chicks to host the recruits, and often they end up sleeping with them (probably not at the staffs request--but still).

So I can't be too tough on UT or Kiffin as it's a problem across the board.
 
According to stories i have read, one of the girls named Lacy Earps is now dating Bryce Brown (one of the top guys they're looking to recruit for 2010). Apparently they have pictures together on facebook, relationship status saying their dating etc.

That being said, i read she also dated Nu'Keese Richardson, and kelcy Quarles, and Corey Miller within this last year. Richardson signed with Tenn last year, Quarles was being recruited last year, and Miller has committed this year.

And i think its safe to guess theres more than just holding hands and a peck on the cheek going on to get these guys to commit. These hostesses are tailgate tested, kiffin approved. St-stamp!

Funny thing is if you look at the VolNation forums before this investigation started you can see them all bragging about the hostesses sleeping with recruits to get em to sign, and as soon as shit starts going down they act like its not happening.
 
Ingram deserved the Heisman but a case could certainly have been made for Suh and Gehart. Mccoy & Tebow didn't do enough this year in big games to win, especially how Mccoy got owned by Suh in the Big 12 Championship and Florida losing to Bama. The thing I felt was amazing is he is the first Bama Heisman winner, pretty amazing with the players they have had in the past.
 
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