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Looks like Oklahoma State will be the first of the Big 12 south schools to officially join the Pac 10. Not sure how much I trust TMZ with sports news though.
Apparently Texas Tech and Baylor also have people at the meeting with Texas and Texas A&M.
My guess is by tomorrow all 5 of the Big 12 South schools--sans Baylor--are in the Pac 16.
There are rumors of A&M (and texas possibly) choosing the SEC instead, but I kind of doubt it.
But maybe A&M goes and then Baylor is in the Pac 16 in their place.
Looks like Oklahoma State will be the first of the Big 12 south schools to officially join the Pac 10. Not sure how much I trust TMZ with sports news though.
Apparently Texas Tech and Baylor also have people at the meeting with Texas and Texas A&M.
My guess is by tomorrow all 5 of the Big 12 South schools--sans Baylor--are in the Pac 16.
There are rumors of A&M (and texas possibly) choosing the SEC instead, but I kind of doubt it.
But maybe A&M goes and then Baylor is in the Pac 16 in their place.
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I still don't understand why Texas doesn't try to salvage the Big XII. Nebraska hasn't mattered in years and who cares about OSU? If I were them I would look at bringing SMU, TCU, and Houston into the fold and building the conference back into the regional powerhouse it was at one point. All those programs are on the upswing and they all should be able to sustain competitive teams with the depth of talent that is in the state.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, the Big 12 money pay out per school is pretty low--better than Big East but lower than the other BCS leagues.
Just too many flyover states and lack of major metro areas outside of Texas in that conference. So Texas wants to get in another conference for a better deal.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's the opposite: other teams want out to get better deals.
Just too many flyover states and lack of major metro areas outside of Texas in that conference. So Texas wants to get in another conference for a better deal.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's the opposite: other teams want out to get better deals.
[quote name='munch']Actually it's the opposite: other teams want out to get better deals.[/QUOTE]
I think it's both. That's why Nebraska and CU jumped ship and Missouri was trying to.
But Texas also wanted it to die, which is why there isn't much talk of saving the conference.
Nebraska and Colorado could easily be replaced. Add TCU and Utah/Boise State and the conference is arguably stronger in football.
But you have Big 12 North teams that wanted away from Texas, Texas wanting out as well and not being tied to those north teams etc. Probably some of the Big 12 south teams hoping they get better deals in a new league not so dominated by Texas--even if Texas is in it.
I think it's both. That's why Nebraska and CU jumped ship and Missouri was trying to.
But Texas also wanted it to die, which is why there isn't much talk of saving the conference.
Nebraska and Colorado could easily be replaced. Add TCU and Utah/Boise State and the conference is arguably stronger in football.
But you have Big 12 North teams that wanted away from Texas, Texas wanting out as well and not being tied to those north teams etc. Probably some of the Big 12 south teams hoping they get better deals in a new league not so dominated by Texas--even if Texas is in it.
http://www.texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093010
Everyone seems ready to join up with the pac-10 except A&M, who is looking at the SEC pretty hard
Everyone seems ready to join up with the pac-10 except A&M, who is looking at the SEC pretty hard
[quote name='dmaul1114']I think it's both. That's why Nebraska and CU jumped ship and Missouri was trying to.
But Texas also wanted it to die, which is why there isn't much talk of saving the conference.
Nebraska and Colorado could easily be replaced. Add TCU and Utah/Boise State and the conference is arguably stronger in football.
But you have Big 12 North teams that wanted away from Texas, Texas wanting out as well and not being tied to those north teams etc. Probably some of the Big 12 south teams hoping they get better deals in a new league not so dominated by Texas--even if Texas is in it.[/QUOTE]
Can you show some proof that Texas wants out? I don't buy it. The Big 12 was great for them. They essentially had to win one big game a year and they could go to a BCS game. And they had all the power in the conference. Everything that I've seen, from admins to students--I'm one of them--wanted to keep them in.
But Texas also wanted it to die, which is why there isn't much talk of saving the conference.
Nebraska and Colorado could easily be replaced. Add TCU and Utah/Boise State and the conference is arguably stronger in football.
But you have Big 12 North teams that wanted away from Texas, Texas wanting out as well and not being tied to those north teams etc. Probably some of the Big 12 south teams hoping they get better deals in a new league not so dominated by Texas--even if Texas is in it.[/QUOTE]
Can you show some proof that Texas wants out? I don't buy it. The Big 12 was great for them. They essentially had to win one big game a year and they could go to a BCS game. And they had all the power in the conference. Everything that I've seen, from admins to students--I'm one of them--wanted to keep them in.
[quote name='Cracka']http://www.texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093010
Everyone seems ready to join up with the pac-10 except A&M, who is looking at the SEC pretty hard[/QUOTE]
Yeah, just read that.
I'm starting to be skeptical of Chip Brown though--he's been spot on. But he was on Sportscenter tonight saying the Pac 16 was a done deal including A&M. And then this article of his comes out right after.
Seems like even if A&M doesn't join it doesn't stop the Pac 16--they just grab Utah or Kansas instead of them to go with Texas, Tech, and the Oklahoma schools.
Everyone seems ready to join up with the pac-10 except A&M, who is looking at the SEC pretty hard[/QUOTE]
Yeah, just read that.
I'm starting to be skeptical of Chip Brown though--he's been spot on. But he was on Sportscenter tonight saying the Pac 16 was a done deal including A&M. And then this article of his comes out right after.
Seems like even if A&M doesn't join it doesn't stop the Pac 16--they just grab Utah or Kansas instead of them to go with Texas, Tech, and the Oklahoma schools.
[quote name='munch']Can you show some proof that Texas wants out? I don't buy it. The Big 12 was great for them. They essentially had to win one big game a year and they could go to a BCS game. And they had all the power in the conference. Everything that I've seen, from admins to students--I'm one of them--wanted to keep them in.[/QUOTE]
There's no proof.
But they've made zero effort to save it. As soon as Nebraska was out, the story was that their President told their coaches that the Big 12 was dead and the Pac 16 would be happening.
If they wanted to save the Big 12, they could. They stay, the other Texas schools and the Oklahoma schools wouldn't leave--at least not all of them.
Pretty easy to raid the MWC, maybe grab Boise too and replace those schools.
All speculation, but I've seen nothing from Texas that shows they really want the Big 12 to survive--and that's the general consensus on sports boards, blogs and national sports media.
All comes across as them wanting Nebraska and others to leave first as they don't look like the bad guy that killed the conference. Nebraska announces and they said they did all they could to save the conference and jump ship. When in fact replacing Nebraska is no big deal as they haven't been strong in a decade or so and offer little in the way of media market.
The rest of the big 12 wasn't going to stand by and let Texas do their own TV network, so texas wants to bolt for a conference that will pay out $20+ million per team vs the 7-12 million the Big 12 pays out each year (see earlier post for numbers).
But again, that's my take on it from following this obsessively this week, and nothing more. But that's how the facts and rumors seem to fit.
There's no proof.
But they've made zero effort to save it. As soon as Nebraska was out, the story was that their President told their coaches that the Big 12 was dead and the Pac 16 would be happening.
If they wanted to save the Big 12, they could. They stay, the other Texas schools and the Oklahoma schools wouldn't leave--at least not all of them.
Pretty easy to raid the MWC, maybe grab Boise too and replace those schools.
All speculation, but I've seen nothing from Texas that shows they really want the Big 12 to survive--and that's the general consensus on sports boards, blogs and national sports media.
All comes across as them wanting Nebraska and others to leave first as they don't look like the bad guy that killed the conference. Nebraska announces and they said they did all they could to save the conference and jump ship. When in fact replacing Nebraska is no big deal as they haven't been strong in a decade or so and offer little in the way of media market.
The rest of the big 12 wasn't going to stand by and let Texas do their own TV network, so texas wants to bolt for a conference that will pay out $20+ million per team vs the 7-12 million the Big 12 pays out each year (see earlier post for numbers).
But again, that's my take on it from following this obsessively this week, and nothing more. But that's how the facts and rumors seem to fit.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Coaches have 0 say in this. I'm sure pretty much all the Big 12 coaches would rather the Big 12 have survived. It's all about $$$ and decisions are made by ADs and University presidents and Boards of Regents etc.
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You do realize the SEC tried once before to get FSU and coach Bobby Bowden made the decision to go ACC route. Yes. The Coach made the decision. I know our ADs and President would take into account Coach's (all sports) opinions.
[quote name='Cracka']There are rumors going on now about Texas A&M and Florida State joining the SEC [/QUOTE]
Every team in collegiate football is rumored for something. Again, I stand by what I stated. FSU will be with the ACC.
As for Texas A&M, Texas legislature wanted all the Texas teams to stay in the same conference. Pac 10 sounds like they don't want Baylor. Sounds like things could get crazy at least in the state of Texas. I don't get where everyone claims the Big 12 is dead. Plenty of conferences run on 10 teams. If Texas stayed, a good chunk of the conference would stay.
Dmaul1114, looks like your new AD is excited about the conference changes. He might be trying to lobby to get into a different conference... you never know.
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You do realize the SEC tried once before to get FSU and coach Bobby Bowden made the decision to go ACC route. Yes. The Coach made the decision. I know our ADs and President would take into account Coach's (all sports) opinions.
[quote name='Cracka']There are rumors going on now about Texas A&M and Florida State joining the SEC [/QUOTE]
Every team in collegiate football is rumored for something. Again, I stand by what I stated. FSU will be with the ACC.
As for Texas A&M, Texas legislature wanted all the Texas teams to stay in the same conference. Pac 10 sounds like they don't want Baylor. Sounds like things could get crazy at least in the state of Texas. I don't get where everyone claims the Big 12 is dead. Plenty of conferences run on 10 teams. If Texas stayed, a good chunk of the conference would stay.
Dmaul1114, looks like your new AD is excited about the conference changes. He might be trying to lobby to get into a different conference... you never know.
Fair enough, you know your school better than I do.
I hope FSU stays in the ACC--makes it a more attractive league for WVU and the rest of the Big East leftovers if they aren't one of the ACC teams that ends up in the SEC.
I could see them being hesitant--they've been getting killed in a weak ACC, they'd get slaughtered in the SEC.
I feel the same about WVU--many fans are hoping/dreaming that we end up in the SEC. Not me, WVU would never win that league. We'd be much more competitive in a merged ACC/Big East. Or the Big East teams merging with Big 12 left overs etc.
I hope FSU stays in the ACC--makes it a more attractive league for WVU and the rest of the Big East leftovers if they aren't one of the ACC teams that ends up in the SEC.
I could see them being hesitant--they've been getting killed in a weak ACC, they'd get slaughtered in the SEC.
I feel the same about WVU--many fans are hoping/dreaming that we end up in the SEC. Not me, WVU would never win that league. We'd be much more competitive in a merged ACC/Big East. Or the Big East teams merging with Big 12 left overs etc.
This has been a ccrazy 10-14 days. What started out as possibly adding 1 or 3 teams to the Big Ten has quickly turned into the biggest realignment in college sports history. Since I've had a little free time, I drew up what I'm predicting the conferences will look like in 3 years. F.Y.I- I see the Big 12 and East folding.
ACC takes Conneticut and Pittsburgh from the East and goes up to 14
Big Ten takes Nebraska and Missouri from the Big 12, Rutgers and Syracuse from the Big East and Notre Dame gets off their high horse and joins as well.
Pac 10 will apperently take Texas, Tech, A&M, Colorado, Oklahoma, and Okahoma State. I don't like it but thats how it looks.
SEC will take West Virginia, Cincinnatti, Louisville, and South Florida from the Big East.
Mountain West takes Boise State from the WAC and Kansas and Kansas State from the Big 12. This should make them a BCS school. You think Kansas is a dumb choice, me too. But so is Texas in the PACIFIC-10.
If you were paying attention, we still have Baylor and Iowa State from the Big 12. Iowa State can move to the MAC and Baylor will unfortunatley be kicked to the Sun Belt.
Now we are set with... (# of teams) ACC (14), Big Ten, 16? (16) SEC (16), Pac 16 (16), Mountain West (12), C-USA (12), MAC (13), Sun Belt (10), WAC (8).
As far as BCS bids are concerned, if the BCS stays intact, then ACC, Big Ten, SEC, Pac 16, and Mountain West will probably get bids with 5 open slots.
IF there is a playoff, I say give all 9 conference winners automatics with 7 open slots for other schools. Seeds determined by record. Higher seed hosts with the Title game on January 1st in former BCS locations via a rotation, (Pasadina, Miami, Glendale, and New Orleans. Maybe add Dallas because of the Cotton Bowl).
Schedule should be 11 games for everyone. Start during the last week of August and finish the week before Thanksgiving. That gives each school 2 bye weeks. After Thanks giving weekend, three weeks of playoffs in December, Christmas week off with the Heisman given during that week. And of course, championship on January 1st.
Thats just my two cents.
ACC takes Conneticut and Pittsburgh from the East and goes up to 14
Big Ten takes Nebraska and Missouri from the Big 12, Rutgers and Syracuse from the Big East and Notre Dame gets off their high horse and joins as well.
Pac 10 will apperently take Texas, Tech, A&M, Colorado, Oklahoma, and Okahoma State. I don't like it but thats how it looks.
SEC will take West Virginia, Cincinnatti, Louisville, and South Florida from the Big East.
Mountain West takes Boise State from the WAC and Kansas and Kansas State from the Big 12. This should make them a BCS school. You think Kansas is a dumb choice, me too. But so is Texas in the PACIFIC-10.
If you were paying attention, we still have Baylor and Iowa State from the Big 12. Iowa State can move to the MAC and Baylor will unfortunatley be kicked to the Sun Belt.
Now we are set with... (# of teams) ACC (14), Big Ten, 16? (16) SEC (16), Pac 16 (16), Mountain West (12), C-USA (12), MAC (13), Sun Belt (10), WAC (8).
As far as BCS bids are concerned, if the BCS stays intact, then ACC, Big Ten, SEC, Pac 16, and Mountain West will probably get bids with 5 open slots.
IF there is a playoff, I say give all 9 conference winners automatics with 7 open slots for other schools. Seeds determined by record. Higher seed hosts with the Title game on January 1st in former BCS locations via a rotation, (Pasadina, Miami, Glendale, and New Orleans. Maybe add Dallas because of the Cotton Bowl).
Schedule should be 11 games for everyone. Start during the last week of August and finish the week before Thanksgiving. That gives each school 2 bye weeks. After Thanks giving weekend, three weeks of playoffs in December, Christmas week off with the Heisman given during that week. And of course, championship on January 1st.
Thats just my two cents.
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It's 
ed up about USC. I don't think a new coaching staff and new players and recruiting class should be punished for Pete Carrol's shit. They should fine the people who cheated the system. As Pete Carrol leaves, they just now decide to make a decision on these matters. Thats ed up, looks like people are gunning for Lane Kiffen. I mean, I hate USC with a passion, but this shits not right man.
ed up about USC. I don't think a new coaching staff and new players and recruiting class should be punished for Pete Carrol's shit. They should fine the people who cheated the system. As Pete Carrol leaves, they just now decide to make a decision on these matters. Thats ed up, looks like people are gunning for Lane Kiffen. I mean, I hate USC with a passion, but this shits not right man.[quote name='fatmanforlife99']It's ed up about USC. I don't think a new coaching staff and new players and recruiting class should be punished for Pete Carrol's shit. They should fine the people who cheated the system. As Pete Carrol leaves, they just now decide to make a decision on these matters. Thats ed up, looks like people are gunning for Lane Kiffen. I mean, I hate USC with a passion, but this shits not right man.[/QUOTE]
haha. no one like s Lane Kiffen. and All is right with the world
ed up about USC. I don't think a new coaching staff and new players and recruiting class should be punished for Pete Carrol's shit. They should fine the people who cheated the system. As Pete Carrol leaves, they just now decide to make a decision on these matters. Thats ed up, looks like people are gunning for Lane Kiffen. I mean, I hate USC with a passion, but this shits not right man.[/QUOTE]haha. no one like s Lane Kiffen. and All is right with the world
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I'm just glad the BCS is becoming even more irrelevant as a title games and more pronounced as a money dispersement tool to powerhouse conferences. This shakeup is cutting through the bullshit now.
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PAC-10 (16) is going to be reeeeeeeeeeediculous if the rumors are true.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Fair enough, you know your school better than I do.
I hope FSU stays in the ACC--makes it a more attractive league for WVU and the rest of the Big East leftovers if they aren't one of the ACC teams that ends up in the SEC.
I could see them being hesitant--they've been getting killed in a weak ACC, they'd get slaughtered in the SEC.
I feel the same about WVU--many fans are hoping/dreaming that we end up in the SEC. Not me, WVU would never win that league. We'd be much more competitive in a merged ACC/Big East. Or the Big East teams merging with Big 12 left overs etc.[/QUOTE]
I think we would be a great team in the SEC, fighting along the top with UF, LSU, and Bama. In the past couple years, we have wins over Alabama, BYU, Wisconsin, and just last year you guys West Virginia (we came in .500 and people said we didn't belong, yet we handed it to you guys.)... all while being in a coach-in-waiting/rebuilding era. Just look at our offseason... whole new staff, signed 5 star recruits, Christian Ponder back (our heisman candidate QB who was injured early in the season), and finally a new playbook. I think our future is bright. I think you see FSU coming back to greatness this year. Mark my words.
In other news, Missouri has not been invited to join the Big 10. :lol:
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']It's ed up about USC. I don't think a new coaching staff and new players and recruiting class should be punished for Pete Carrol's shit. They should fine the people who cheated the system. As Pete Carrol leaves, they just now decide to make a decision on these matters. Thats ed up, looks like people are gunning for Lane Kiffen. I mean, I hate USC with a passion, but this shits not right man. [/QUOTE]
First off, you can't fine college athletes. Second, they aren't out for Lane Kiffin. They have been investigating this for a couple years now. It is more than Pete Carroll and Tim Floyd. Both coaches didn't watch their high elite players closely to see if anything was going on. It is part of the problem. I think OJ Mayo accepting money is what sent the NCAA over the edge to finally come down on the university. It's not like Joe McKnight (just last year during the investigation) wasn't an issue as well, accepting an SUV from a booster
USC had this coming. Based on how they did our school in, their appeal will not work.
Buh-Bye championship. Reggie, better enjoy your heisman while it last cause it is gone. Good Riddence! The scholorships will hurt, just ask Alabama who spent the past decade trying to rebuild their program for their scandel woos.
I hope FSU stays in the ACC--makes it a more attractive league for WVU and the rest of the Big East leftovers if they aren't one of the ACC teams that ends up in the SEC.
I could see them being hesitant--they've been getting killed in a weak ACC, they'd get slaughtered in the SEC.
I feel the same about WVU--many fans are hoping/dreaming that we end up in the SEC. Not me, WVU would never win that league. We'd be much more competitive in a merged ACC/Big East. Or the Big East teams merging with Big 12 left overs etc.[/QUOTE]
I think we would be a great team in the SEC, fighting along the top with UF, LSU, and Bama. In the past couple years, we have wins over Alabama, BYU, Wisconsin, and just last year you guys West Virginia (we came in .500 and people said we didn't belong, yet we handed it to you guys.)... all while being in a coach-in-waiting/rebuilding era. Just look at our offseason... whole new staff, signed 5 star recruits, Christian Ponder back (our heisman candidate QB who was injured early in the season), and finally a new playbook. I think our future is bright. I think you see FSU coming back to greatness this year. Mark my words.
In other news, Missouri has not been invited to join the Big 10. :lol:
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']It's ed up about USC. I don't think a new coaching staff and new players and recruiting class should be punished for Pete Carrol's shit. They should fine the people who cheated the system. As Pete Carrol leaves, they just now decide to make a decision on these matters. Thats ed up, looks like people are gunning for Lane Kiffen. I mean, I hate USC with a passion, but this shits not right man. [/QUOTE]
First off, you can't fine college athletes. Second, they aren't out for Lane Kiffin. They have been investigating this for a couple years now. It is more than Pete Carroll and Tim Floyd. Both coaches didn't watch their high elite players closely to see if anything was going on. It is part of the problem. I think OJ Mayo accepting money is what sent the NCAA over the edge to finally come down on the university. It's not like Joe McKnight (just last year during the investigation) wasn't an issue as well, accepting an SUV from a booster
USC had this coming. Based on how they did our school in, their appeal will not work. Buh-Bye championship. Reggie, better enjoy your heisman while it last cause it is gone. Good Riddence! The scholorships will hurt, just ask Alabama who spent the past decade trying to rebuild their program for their scandel woos.
They shouldn't take the Heisman from Bush IMO. As Desmond Howard on ESPN said yesterday, it's not like he was taking steroids etc. Taking money etc. wasn't cheating on the field.
The titles and wins should be vacated as paying players is cheating for the team as it gives them an unfair advantage in recruiting etc.
But it didn't give Bush any edge in winning the Heisman, so he should keep that award IMO. It's for being the best player on the field, not an award for ethics. So only steroids or some other kind of onfield cheating should take awards like that away.
The titles and wins should be vacated as paying players is cheating for the team as it gives them an unfair advantage in recruiting etc.
But it didn't give Bush any edge in winning the Heisman, so he should keep that award IMO. It's for being the best player on the field, not an award for ethics. So only steroids or some other kind of onfield cheating should take awards like that away.
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[quote name='lordopus99']I think we would be a great team in the SEC, fighting along the top with UF, LSU, and Bama. In the past couple years, we have wins over Alabama, BYU, Wisconsin, and just last year you guys West Virginia (we came in .500 and people said we didn't belong, yet we handed it to you guys.)... all while being in a coach-in-waiting/rebuilding era. Just look at our offseason... whole new staff, signed 5 star recruits, Christian Ponder back (our heisman candidate QB who was injured early in the season), and finally a new playbook. I think our future is bright. I think you see FSU coming back to greatness this year. Mark my words.
In other news, Missouri has not been invited to join the Big 10. :lol:
First off, you can't fine college athletes. Second, they aren't out for Lane Kiffin. They have been investigating this for a couple years now. It is more than Pete Carroll and Tim Floyd. Both coaches didn't watch their high elite players closely to see if anything was going on. It is part of the problem. I think OJ Mayo accepting money is what sent the NCAA over the edge to finally come down on the university. It's not like Joe McKnight (just last year during the investigation) wasn't an issue as well, accepting an SUV from a booster USC had this coming. Based on how they did our school in, their appeal will not work.
Buh-Bye championship. Reggie, better enjoy your heisman while it last cause it is gone. Good Riddence! The scholorships will hurt, just ask Alabama who spent the past decade trying to rebuild their program for their scandel woos.[/QUOTE]
Regardless everyone knew Bush was being hooked up. Should of took care of this 2 to 3 years ago. not when a new coach comes in. The only thing the players have to play for is their NFL Draft stock. What I meant by fine was make a mandatory rule for coaches, if they get paid so much they should be penalized for letting this happen and the players should be too when they reach the NFL. If your a coach, your know if your players are being hooked up or not.
To dmaul, I beg to differ. I think the heismanis very ethical he knowingly took help from boosters when he was not supposed to. Its kinda like the Pete rose situation, he was using corked bats so he could break the hits record. Might not have got him home runs, but hit would get him on base.
In other news, Missouri has not been invited to join the Big 10. :lol:
First off, you can't fine college athletes. Second, they aren't out for Lane Kiffin. They have been investigating this for a couple years now. It is more than Pete Carroll and Tim Floyd. Both coaches didn't watch their high elite players closely to see if anything was going on. It is part of the problem. I think OJ Mayo accepting money is what sent the NCAA over the edge to finally come down on the university. It's not like Joe McKnight (just last year during the investigation) wasn't an issue as well, accepting an SUV from a booster
USC had this coming. Based on how they did our school in, their appeal will not work. Buh-Bye championship. Reggie, better enjoy your heisman while it last cause it is gone. Good Riddence! The scholorships will hurt, just ask Alabama who spent the past decade trying to rebuild their program for their scandel woos.[/QUOTE]
Regardless everyone knew Bush was being hooked up. Should of took care of this 2 to 3 years ago. not when a new coach comes in. The only thing the players have to play for is their NFL Draft stock. What I meant by fine was make a mandatory rule for coaches, if they get paid so much they should be penalized for letting this happen and the players should be too when they reach the NFL. If your a coach, your know if your players are being hooked up or not.
To dmaul, I beg to differ. I think the heismanis very ethical he knowingly took help from boosters when he was not supposed to. Its kinda like the Pete rose situation, he was using corked bats so he could break the hits record. Might not have got him home runs, but hit would get him on base.
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']To dmaul, I beg to differ. I think the heismanis very ethical he knowingly took help from boosters when he was not supposed to. Its kinda like the Pete rose situation, he was using corked bats so he could break the hits record. Might not have got him home runs, but hit would get him on base.[/QUOTE]
Apples and oranges.
Using a corked bat improves on field performance and gives an unfair advantage.
Taking money etc. from boosters didn't make Bush any faster, harder to tackle etc. Had nothing to do with him building up the stats that got him the award.
So I'd let him keep it. I hate USC, and never cared for Bush at all, but I wouldn't take an individual award for on field performance away because of taking money. Only for steroids or something else that gave the player an on field advantage.
Apples and oranges.
Using a corked bat improves on field performance and gives an unfair advantage.
Taking money etc. from boosters didn't make Bush any faster, harder to tackle etc. Had nothing to do with him building up the stats that got him the award.
So I'd let him keep it. I hate USC, and never cared for Bush at all, but I wouldn't take an individual award for on field performance away because of taking money. Only for steroids or something else that gave the player an on field advantage.
USC juniors and seniors can transfer to other FBS schools without having to sit a year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5275644
Glad they allowed that, would suck for them to have no post season the rest of their careers for something that happened in the past.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5275644
Glad they allowed that, would suck for them to have no post season the rest of their careers for something that happened in the past.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Apples and oranges.
Using a corked bat improves on field performance and gives an unfair advantage.
Taking money etc. from boosters didn't make Bush any faster, harder to tackle etc. Had nothing to do with him building up the stats that got him the award.
So I'd let him keep it. I hate USC, and never cared for Bush at all, but I wouldn't take an individual award for on field performance away because of taking money. Only for steroids or something else that gave the player an on field advantage.[/QUOTE]
I think accepting cash makes you play harder. If you knew you could get cash for playing college ball, hell I would do whatever it takes to win and get better if I knew cash was waiting for me. IDK man, I just they would pay college players, so this shit does not happen. Thats a whole another discussion.
Using a corked bat improves on field performance and gives an unfair advantage.
Taking money etc. from boosters didn't make Bush any faster, harder to tackle etc. Had nothing to do with him building up the stats that got him the award.
So I'd let him keep it. I hate USC, and never cared for Bush at all, but I wouldn't take an individual award for on field performance away because of taking money. Only for steroids or something else that gave the player an on field advantage.[/QUOTE]
I think accepting cash makes you play harder. If you knew you could get cash for playing college ball, hell I would do whatever it takes to win and get better if I knew cash was waiting for me. IDK man, I just they would pay college players, so this shit does not happen. Thats a whole another discussion.
[quote name='lordopus99']...and just last year you guys West Virginia (we came in .500 and people said we didn't belong, yet we handed it to you guys.)
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FSU didn't belong at 6-6, just got in because it was Bowden's last game....
But I wouldn't beat your chest over that win. WVU was a pretty poor team last year. We were just 9-3 from playing in the Big Least and playing no one out of conference. Even then we got lucky to win at the end against UCONN and had a couple other close calls.
If WVU was in any other BCS league last year we'd have had a losing record.
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FSU didn't belong at 6-6, just got in because it was Bowden's last game....
But I wouldn't beat your chest over that win. WVU was a pretty poor team last year. We were just 9-3 from playing in the Big Least and playing no one out of conference. Even then we got lucky to win at the end against UCONN and had a couple other close calls.
If WVU was in any other BCS league last year we'd have had a losing record.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']USC juniors and seniors can transfer to other FBS schools without having to sit a year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5275644
Glad they allowed that, would suck for them to have no post season the rest of their careers for something that happened in the past.[/QUOTE]
Just read that. I was really thinking USC was going to come back like a motherer this year, but after all this? Daaaaayaamm.
Whatever, good news for the Ducks. Except all the other problems we have...
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5275644
Glad they allowed that, would suck for them to have no post season the rest of their careers for something that happened in the past.[/QUOTE]
Just read that. I was really thinking USC was going to come back like a mother
er this year, but after all this? Daaaaayaamm.Whatever, good news for the Ducks. Except all the other problems we have...
[quote name='fatmanforlife99']I think accepting cash makes you play harder. If you knew you could get cash for playing college ball, hell I would do whatever it takes to win and get better if I knew cash was waiting for me. IDK man, I just they would pay college players, so this shit does not happen. Thats a whole another discussion.[/QUOTE]
That's silly.
Big time college players are ALL playing for cash. They want to put up the biggest numbers possible so they can be a high NFL draft pick and make millions.
With booster money, they already have that, no reason to play harder for more etc.
That's silly.
Big time college players are ALL playing for cash. They want to put up the biggest numbers possible so they can be a high NFL draft pick and make millions.
With booster money, they already have that, no reason to play harder for more etc.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']That's silly.
Big time college players are ALL playing for cash. They want to put up the biggest numbers possible so they can be a high NFL draft pick and make millions.
With booster money, they already have that, no reason to play harder for more etc.[/QUOTE]
This.
I hate USC, I really do, but taking away the Heisman seems too harsh.
Taking away the bowl victories from past year is funny though.
Big time college players are ALL playing for cash. They want to put up the biggest numbers possible so they can be a high NFL draft pick and make millions.
With booster money, they already have that, no reason to play harder for more etc.[/QUOTE]
This.
I hate USC, I really do, but taking away the Heisman seems too harsh.
Taking away the bowl victories from past year is funny though.
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Not everyone gets the same amount of money. The more unknown players will work their ass off to get more stock and money from the boosters.
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It isn't really much of a surprise, but ESPN just reported that Boise State is headed to the Mountain West. The official announcement is supposed to be sometime today.
[quote name='dmaul1114']USC juniors and seniors can transfer to other FBS schools without having to sit a year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5275644
Glad they allowed that, would suck for them to have no post season the rest of their careers for something that happened in the past.[/QUOTE]
I think they should let fresh signees look elsewhere, too. It's really unfair. These kids were probably told that USC wouldn't get in trouble during the recruitment process, then this happens. I know there was one OT--I think the best one in the nation--waited a while before signing with USC because of this stuff. It's all types of wrong.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5275644
Glad they allowed that, would suck for them to have no post season the rest of their careers for something that happened in the past.[/QUOTE]
I think they should let fresh signees look elsewhere, too. It's really unfair. These kids were probably told that USC wouldn't get in trouble during the recruitment process, then this happens. I know there was one OT--I think the best one in the nation--waited a while before signing with USC because of this stuff. It's all types of wrong.
The MWC is now a better football conference than the Big East: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276064
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[quote name='dmaul1114']FSU didn't belong at 6-6, just got in because it was Bowden's last game....
But I wouldn't beat your chest over that win. WVU was a pretty poor team last year. We were just 9-3 from playing in the Big Least and playing no one out of conference. Even then we got lucky to win at the end against UCONN and had a couple other close calls.
If WVU was in any other BCS league last year we'd have had a losing record.[/QUOTE]
It had little to do with Bowden's last game. The bowls know that the Seminole fans travel for games (ala they know they will get paid). Hence, why our bowl games each year are pretty much sell outs. Heck, the Gator Bowl added seats this past year to hold the amount that were coming for Bowden's last game. Even last years game, you should have noticed the stadium is 3/4 made up of FSU fans (this is what the majority of bowl games look like).
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Just read that. I was really thinking USC was going to come back like a motherer this year, but after all this? Daaaaayaamm.
Whatever, good news for the Ducks. Except all the other problems we have... [/QUOTE]
Good luck with that. The Pac-10 looks awefully weak this upcoming year. USC loses McKnight and probably a bunch of recruits. Your Ducks lose star QB Masoli and LaMichael James is on thin ice. Stanford loses their workhorse. The rest of the conference is a bust. The Pac-10 is still a joke; almost as bad as the Big Least.
[quote name='Detective Thorn']It isn't really much of a surprise, but ESPN just reported that Boise State is headed to the Mountain West. The official announcement is supposed to be sometime today. [/QUOTE]
Wow... that last all one week.
Personally though I think Boist St is a good fit for their conference.
But I wouldn't beat your chest over that win. WVU was a pretty poor team last year. We were just 9-3 from playing in the Big Least and playing no one out of conference. Even then we got lucky to win at the end against UCONN and had a couple other close calls.
If WVU was in any other BCS league last year we'd have had a losing record.[/QUOTE]
It had little to do with Bowden's last game. The bowls know that the Seminole fans travel for games (ala they know they will get paid). Hence, why our bowl games each year are pretty much sell outs. Heck, the Gator Bowl added seats this past year to hold the amount that were coming for Bowden's last game. Even last years game, you should have noticed the stadium is 3/4 made up of FSU fans (this is what the majority of bowl games look like).
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Just read that. I was really thinking USC was going to come back like a motherer this year, but after all this? Daaaaayaamm.
Whatever, good news for the Ducks. Except all the other problems we have... [/QUOTE]
Good luck with that. The Pac-10 looks awefully weak this upcoming year. USC loses McKnight and probably a bunch of recruits. Your Ducks lose star QB Masoli and LaMichael James is on thin ice. Stanford loses their workhorse. The rest of the conference is a bust. The Pac-10 is still a joke; almost as bad as the Big Least.
[quote name='Detective Thorn']It isn't really much of a surprise, but ESPN just reported that Boise State is headed to the Mountain West. The official announcement is supposed to be sometime today. [/QUOTE]
Wow... that last all one week.
Personally though I think Boist St is a good fit for their conference.
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Good luck with that. The Pac-10 looks awefully weak this upcoming year. USC loses McKnight and probably a bunch of recruits. Your Ducks lose star QB Masoli and LaMichael James is on thin ice. Stanford loses their workhorse. The rest of the conference is a bust. The Pac-10 is still a joke; almost as bad as the Big Least.
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I'd normally respond with a bunch of expletives and say how uneducated about college football you are...but you're right. If the Pac-10 didn't do so goddamn awful in the post-season, I probably would respond like that.
I think LaMichael will be trouble free this season, Masoli is completely gone from the program (I still had hope for next season) and Darren Thomas is also in some hot water because of Masoli. But, I think Nick Costa and Darren Thomas can take the Ducks to a successful season...as successful as another Rose Bowl bid? Probably not. If we had Masoli, I wouldn't have any trouble saying the Ducks WOULD'VE been in the national title hunt. But, I'm fully prepared to be disappointed (again) next season by the Ducks.
Andrew Luck of Stanford is a very good QB I think, he'll need to play a major part in their success.
USC is still a big question mark, given the latest crackdown.Arizona could have another deceptively good team (they've been under the radar a lot lately.) Also, Cal and UCLA could benefit big as a result of the crackdown on USC.
I'm not about to call the Pac-10 a joke though...it's a tough conference every year.
Good luck with that. The Pac-10 looks awefully weak this upcoming year. USC loses McKnight and probably a bunch of recruits. Your Ducks lose star QB Masoli and LaMichael James is on thin ice. Stanford loses their workhorse. The rest of the conference is a bust. The Pac-10 is still a joke; almost as bad as the Big Least.
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I'd normally respond with a bunch of expletives and say how uneducated about college football you are...but you're right. If the Pac-10 didn't do so goddamn awful in the post-season, I probably would respond like that.
I think LaMichael will be trouble free this season, Masoli is completely gone from the program (I still had hope for next season) and Darren Thomas is also in some hot water because of Masoli. But, I think Nick Costa and Darren Thomas can take the Ducks to a successful season...as successful as another Rose Bowl bid? Probably not. If we had Masoli, I wouldn't have any trouble saying the Ducks WOULD'VE been in the national title hunt. But, I'm fully prepared to be disappointed (again) next season by the Ducks.
Andrew Luck of Stanford is a very good QB I think, he'll need to play a major part in their success.
USC is still a big question mark, given the latest crackdown.Arizona could have another deceptively good team (they've been under the radar a lot lately.) Also, Cal and UCLA could benefit big as a result of the crackdown on USC.
I'm not about to call the Pac-10 a joke though...it's a tough conference every year.
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[quote name='A Happy Panda']I'd normally respond with a bunch of expletives and say how uneducated about college football you are...but you're right. If the Pac-10 didn't do so goddamn awful in the post-season, I probably would respond like that.
I think LaMichael will be trouble free this season, Masoli is completely gone from the program (I still had hope for next season) and Darren Thomas is also in some hot water because of Masoli. But, I think Nick Costa and Darren Thomas can take the Ducks to a successful season...as successful as another Rose Bowl bid? Probably not. If we had Masoli, I wouldn't have any trouble saying the Ducks WOULD'VE been in the national title hunt. But, I'm fully prepared to be disappointed (again) next season by the Ducks.
Andrew Luck of Stanford is a very good QB I think, he'll need to play a major part in their success.
USC is still a big question mark, given the latest crackdown.Arizona could have another deceptively good team (they've been under the radar a lot lately.) Also, Cal and UCLA could benefit big as a result of the crackdown on USC.
I'm not about to call the Pac-10 a joke though...it's a tough conference every year.[/QUOTE]
Pac-10 has the best QB's in the nation, with that, it makes the Pac-10 at least watchable.
Nick Foles, Matt Barkley, Jake Franchise Locker, Andrew Luck.
Luck and Locker are Top 5 NFL picks.
Barkley and Foles will be top 10 in the 2012 draft.
I think LaMichael will be trouble free this season, Masoli is completely gone from the program (I still had hope for next season) and Darren Thomas is also in some hot water because of Masoli. But, I think Nick Costa and Darren Thomas can take the Ducks to a successful season...as successful as another Rose Bowl bid? Probably not. If we had Masoli, I wouldn't have any trouble saying the Ducks WOULD'VE been in the national title hunt. But, I'm fully prepared to be disappointed (again) next season by the Ducks.
Andrew Luck of Stanford is a very good QB I think, he'll need to play a major part in their success.
USC is still a big question mark, given the latest crackdown.Arizona could have another deceptively good team (they've been under the radar a lot lately.) Also, Cal and UCLA could benefit big as a result of the crackdown on USC.
I'm not about to call the Pac-10 a joke though...it's a tough conference every year.[/QUOTE]
Pac-10 has the best QB's in the nation, with that, it makes the Pac-10 at least watchable.
Nick Foles, Matt Barkley, Jake Franchise Locker, Andrew Luck.
Luck and Locker are Top 5 NFL picks.
Barkley and Foles will be top 10 in the 2012 draft.
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[quote name='A Happy Panda']I'd normally respond with a bunch of expletives and say how uneducated about college football you are...but you're right. If the Pac-10 didn't do so goddamn awful in the post-season, I probably would respond like that.
I think LaMichael will be trouble free this season, Masoli is completely gone from the program (I still had hope for next season) and Darren Thomas is also in some hot water because of Masoli. But, I think Nick Costa and Darren Thomas can take the Ducks to a successful season...as successful as another Rose Bowl bid? Probably not. If we had Masoli, I wouldn't have any trouble saying the Ducks WOULD'VE been in the national title hunt. But, I'm fully prepared to be disappointed (again) next season by the Ducks.
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I agree with Masoli you guys were easily a top 10 team; might even gone undefeated with your schedule. Without him, it is anyones guess. Your schedule though looks promising since your only tough games are at Tennessee and at USC.
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Andrew Luck of Stanford is a very good QB I think, he'll need to play a major part in their success.
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It's anyone guess if he is truly good. When your RB rushs on average 26 times a game for 144 yards (1/3 of their offensive output himself), it is tough to say how good a QB really is. I guess we will see this year if their team holds up in the standings.
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USC is still a big question mark, given the latest crackdown.Arizona could have another deceptively good team (they've been under the radar a lot lately.) Also, Cal and UCLA could benefit big as a result of the crackdown on USC.
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Yes Cal and UCLA could be getting better with the latest crackdown on USC since the recruits that want to stay in state will go with one of the two. I don't know if it would make that much of an impact especially knowing that the top recruits might go out of state.
Now with Nebraska officially part of Big Ten, Jim Delany claims the conference will put expansion on "pause" for the next 12 to 18 months. ( http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-expansion-nebraska ). He also stated that the Big 10 will have a championship game come 2011. It's about time.
Texas regents are meeting on Tuesday to see if the can keep the Big 12 alive with the remaining 10 members. Mizzou has already stated that they are committed to the Big 12 if it stays around. I guess all eyes are on the University of Texas and what move they make.
I think LaMichael will be trouble free this season, Masoli is completely gone from the program (I still had hope for next season) and Darren Thomas is also in some hot water because of Masoli. But, I think Nick Costa and Darren Thomas can take the Ducks to a successful season...as successful as another Rose Bowl bid? Probably not. If we had Masoli, I wouldn't have any trouble saying the Ducks WOULD'VE been in the national title hunt. But, I'm fully prepared to be disappointed (again) next season by the Ducks.
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I agree with Masoli you guys were easily a top 10 team; might even gone undefeated with your schedule. Without him, it is anyones guess. Your schedule though looks promising since your only tough games are at Tennessee and at USC.
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Andrew Luck of Stanford is a very good QB I think, he'll need to play a major part in their success.
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It's anyone guess if he is truly good. When your RB rushs on average 26 times a game for 144 yards (1/3 of their offensive output himself), it is tough to say how good a QB really is. I guess we will see this year if their team holds up in the standings.
[quote name='A Happy Panda']
USC is still a big question mark, given the latest crackdown.Arizona could have another deceptively good team (they've been under the radar a lot lately.) Also, Cal and UCLA could benefit big as a result of the crackdown on USC.
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Yes Cal and UCLA could be getting better with the latest crackdown on USC since the recruits that want to stay in state will go with one of the two. I don't know if it would make that much of an impact especially knowing that the top recruits might go out of state.
Now with Nebraska officially part of Big Ten, Jim Delany claims the conference will put expansion on "pause" for the next 12 to 18 months. ( http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-expansion-nebraska ). He also stated that the Big 10 will have a championship game come 2011. It's about time.
Texas regents are meeting on Tuesday to see if the can keep the Big 12 alive with the remaining 10 members. Mizzou has already stated that they are committed to the Big 12 if it stays around. I guess all eyes are on the University of Texas and what move they make.
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Man this is crazy. I live right in the heart of all of this Big 12 madness. We're just waiting for the official word to come down from Texas that they're moving to the PAC-10 and to put the final nail in Big 12 coffin although I think they will be making a big mistake from an athletics standpoint.
They've had things pretty damn good in the Big 12. Pretty much every year if they win the Red River Shootout then they're a lock for a BCS bid. Pimpin ain't gonna be so easy after they move. It won't happen but I'd like to see the Big 12 keep the remaining 10 teams and rebuild by filling in the holes with TCU and maybe take a shot at Arkansas.
They've had things pretty damn good in the Big 12. Pretty much every year if they win the Red River Shootout then they're a lock for a BCS bid. Pimpin ain't gonna be so easy after they move. It won't happen but I'd like to see the Big 12 keep the remaining 10 teams and rebuild by filling in the holes with TCU and maybe take a shot at Arkansas.
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NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Dreams of the Pac-16 are ruined!
Dreams of the Pac-16 are ruined!
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Dreams of the Pac-16 are ruined![/QUOTE]
I'm glad that the Big 12 will survive. This is really great news for K-State.
Dreams of the Pac-16 are ruined![/QUOTE]
I'm glad that the Big 12 will survive. This is really great news for K-State.
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[quote name='billyrox']WOW texas stays in big 12... did not see that coming[/QUOTE]
How could you not? What would they get by moving? Money? They already have tons of it. Better recruiting? They already get good recruits. TV airtime? They already get that since they are the big dog in the big 12... err.. 10.
Just as I predicted... nothing major was happening this offseason. I guess the only thing worthwhile was Boise St joining a decent conference. Boy does the Pac 10...err.. 12 (pending Utah) look dumb for taking Colorado :lol:
How could you not? What would they get by moving? Money? They already have tons of it. Better recruiting? They already get good recruits. TV airtime? They already get that since they are the big dog in the big 12... err.. 10.
Just as I predicted... nothing major was happening this offseason. I guess the only thing worthwhile was Boise St joining a decent conference. Boy does the Pac 10...err.. 12 (pending Utah) look dumb for taking Colorado :lol:
I'm disappointed was really hoping for mega conferences to get closer to a playoff and get WVU out of the Big Least.
As is, I'll probably just start scaling back how closely I follow college football. Have been losing interest ever since the Big East fell apart in 2004. Lack of a playoff and WVU dropping off to only winning 8/9 games on pathetic schedule is putting the final nail in coffin for me.
As is, I'll probably just start scaling back how closely I follow college football. Have been losing interest ever since the Big East fell apart in 2004. Lack of a playoff and WVU dropping off to only winning 8/9 games on pathetic schedule is putting the final nail in coffin for me.
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[quote name='lordopus99']How could you not? What would they get by moving? Money? They already have tons of it. Better recruiting? They already get good recruits. TV airtime? They already get that since they are the big dog in the big 12... err.. 10.
Just as I predicted... nothing major was happening this offseason. I guess the only thing worthwhile was Boise St joining a decent conference. Boy does the Pac 10...err.. 12 (pending Utah) look dumb for taking Colorado :lol:[/QUOTE]
They would get all 3....by being the first super-conference, teams like USC, Oregon, Texas, and Oklahoma would get even more attention. You say they have all these things, which is right, that's not the point though. The point is they would've gotten MORE of these things, which is what every school wants. They want to improve, get more money, and be get on TV more when they can.
It sounds like they got more of these things with the new Big-12 deal...but as much as they could've gotten in Pac-16? We'll never know that, but I personally would predict not.
Just as I predicted... nothing major was happening this offseason. I guess the only thing worthwhile was Boise St joining a decent conference. Boy does the Pac 10...err.. 12 (pending Utah) look dumb for taking Colorado :lol:[/QUOTE]
They would get all 3....by being the first super-conference, teams like USC, Oregon, Texas, and Oklahoma would get even more attention. You say they have all these things, which is right, that's not the point though. The point is they would've gotten MORE of these things, which is what every school wants. They want to improve, get more money, and be get on TV more when they can.
It sounds like they got more of these things with the new Big-12 deal...but as much as they could've gotten in Pac-16? We'll never know that, but I personally would predict not.
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'm disappointed was really hoping for mega conferences to get closer to a playoff and get WVU out of the Big Least.
As is, I'll probably just start scaling back how closely I follow college football. Have been losing interest ever since the Big East fell apart in 2004. Lack of a playoff and WVU dropping off to only winning 8/9 games on pathetic schedule is putting the final nail in coffin for me.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, I think WVU has had some pretty good teams. But why would you want out of the Big East at this point? Where would you go? I mean, WVU should be in contention for a BCS bid every year. That's almost guaranteed, or was before Pat White left. It's an easy conference.
As is, I'll probably just start scaling back how closely I follow college football. Have been losing interest ever since the Big East fell apart in 2004. Lack of a playoff and WVU dropping off to only winning 8/9 games on pathetic schedule is putting the final nail in coffin for me.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, I think WVU has had some pretty good teams. But why would you want out of the Big East at this point? Where would you go? I mean, WVU should be in contention for a BCS bid every year. That's almost guaranteed, or was before Pat White left. It's an easy conference.
[quote name='munch']Don't get me wrong, I think WVU has had some pretty good teams. But why would you want out of the Big East at this point? Where would you go? I mean, WVU should be in contention for a BCS bid every year. That's almost guaranteed, or was before Pat White left. It's an easy conference.[/QUOTE]
It's just a boring conference. The only conference game I get excited for is Pitt. I'd rather win 7-8 games a year in say the SEC that compete for the BCS on a schedule of nobodies.
My hope was to end up in the ACC if they went to 16 and/or lost some teams to the SEC.
But anyway, it. I'm just not going to follow college football very closely anymore. If they start a playoff and/or WVU starts playing non-snooze fest schedules I'll get back into it more.
It's just a boring conference. The only conference game I get excited for is Pitt. I'd rather win 7-8 games a year in say the SEC that compete for the BCS on a schedule of nobodies.
My hope was to end up in the ACC if they went to 16 and/or lost some teams to the SEC.
But anyway,
it. I'm just not going to follow college football very closely anymore. If they start a playoff and/or WVU starts playing non-snooze fest schedules I'll get back into it more.
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