Official (2015-2016) College Football Thread OSU#1

Arkansas' offense is the key to the game this weekend. Their defense, while not great, can do pretty well when necessary. The LSU/Hogs game is definitely going to be LSU D vs Hogs O. LSU will score, but they aren't the scoring juggernaut AR is. The Hogs will hold LSU, but they won't hold as good as LSU. Good offense or good defense? Who will win?

Regarding the Hogs/Tide game from earlier this year; I think nationally a bit too much is being made of the Hog's loss. They played three cupcakes before Bama so their D wasn't really tested. They had little to no running game because Knile Davis was injured in summer camp and Dennis Johnson was still recovering from an injury from the previous season. I think what happened in the Hogs/Bama game was just wrong team, wrong time. They were unprepared due to injuries and lack of a quality opponent to see just where they were. I wish they could play them now. While the outcome may not be different, I guarantee it would be closer.

That being said, you can't rank AR ahead of Bama unless Bama loses to Auburn (I HOPE SO!). LSU beat Bama so you can't rank Bama ahead of LSU. If AR beats LSU, you can't rank them ahead of LSU because of the aforementioned conflict. It's totally screwed up. Arkansas' only chance to move up is for Bama to lose. However, if they lose to LSU, they'll probably plummet down to the bottom half of the top 10.

Arkansas is really playing great ball right now, I hope for a great outcome this weekend.
 
Eh.....in my best Denny Green voice....
"LSU is who we thought they were".

Bummer. :(

Hogs looked anemic today. I think I may retract what I said about them playing Bama again. I'm not so sure now the outcome would be much different. Nevertheless, good season for the Hogs. Just need some more talent on D to try to get over the hill.
 
Louisville is a WVU win and a Cincinatti loss away from going to the orange bowl! Dmaul, make your boys win tomorrow and we will be friends for life :D.
 
They're playing now, not tomorrow. Down 14-0 in the first. :(

Cincy losing is probably your main concern. If there's a 3 way tie at the top, tie breaker goes to BCS standings and Louisville is very low there since they have 5 losses including Marshall and FIU.

WVU needs to come back tonight and have Cincy win their last two to get into the BCS (they'd almost definitely be the highest ranked among Cincy, Louisville, WVU). But I don't see that happening since Collaros is out for Cincy.

Big East is a real laughing stock. Pathetic that a 7-5 team has an inside track at a BCS bid. :lol: Hopefully they get rid of autobids in the next contract like they're talking about and just take the top 10-12 teams in the final poll regardless of conference affiliation.
 
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WVU eeks out a 21-20 win. Great effort from the defense in the second half. Kept them in the game despite two muffed punts leading to FGs for Pitt.

Hope they keep the Backyard Brawl going, shame if this rivalry ends because of conference realignment.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']WVU eeks out a 21-20 win. Great effort from the defense in the second half. Kept them in the game despite two muffed punts leading to FGs for Pitt.

Hope they keep the Backyard Brawl going, shame if this rivalry ends because of conference realignment.[/QUOTE]

Thank you ;)
 
Cincy beat Syracuse to stay in the Big East title hunt, Rutgers lost to UCONN to drop out of it.

So here's how the scenarios play out (I think). Conference title goes to:

Louisville if Cincy loses to UCONN at home (doesn't matter what WVU does in that case)

Cincy if they beat UCONN and WVU loses at USF.

WVU if they beat USF and Cincy beats UCONN. Would be a 3 way tie and go to highest BCS standing (since all are 1-1 against each other) which would almost definitely be WVU.

WVU plays USF on Thursday night. Will be interesting to see how fired up (or not) Cincy is for their game Saturday if WVU wins and eliminates them from the hunt....
 
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I really want LSU v. Bama in the NC game. It's the perfect response to BCS boosters who tell us its main advantage over a playoff is that in the BCS "the regular season matters."
 
Yeah. I really hope Ok State and VT win and then LSU and Bama replay.

That would be some more pressure on the BCS system for sure with three other major 1 loss teams (Stanford along with the two already mentioned) along with the two solid mid-majors in Houston and Boise yet still having a rematch in the title game.

Game wise I'd rather see LSU and Ok State play and put a great defense up against a great offense and see what happens. Worried LSU-Bama will turn into another field goal kicking snoozefest like the first game.
 
At this point the quality of the NC game doesn't concern me. I want to build a good case against the BCS and ride this momentum to change.

I've never been a fan of the BCS or bowl games in general, to me the real action will always be conference play, where rivalries and home fields can make bad teams into world beaters for one Saturday. But it's impossible to ignore the emphasis on post-season play now, I've seen the fanbase for my team gradually shift its focus from conference championships to high-visibility bowl appearances over the last 25 years.

So if we're saddled with post-season play, let's make it compelling football (like the NFL playoffs) and get away from this half-assed popularity contest.
 
I dont know... I am praying the following happens... For BCS Chaos fun...
1) LSU loses to Georgia by 14+. This would push LSU outside of any BCS bowl since Georgia would be in (most likely Sugar) and Bama would be in the NC.
2) Oregon loses to UCLA, pushing a 6-6 team into the Rose Bowl.
3) Houston gets paired against AQ (not Big East) team in a BCS Bowl and woodsheds them.

[quote name='dmaul1114']Game wise I'd rather see LSU and Ok State play and put a great defense up against a great offense and see what happens[/quote]
Haven't we already seen that... LSU/Oregon and just last week LSU/Arkansas. ;)
 
Oregon was season opener. Offense dominated teams tend to struggle more than defensive dominated teams early in the season. On Oregon-LSU matchup now would be intriguing, but they lost a 2nd game so that's not possible.

Arkansas is a very good offense, but not on par with OK State in terms of talent and experience this year IMO.

But mainly, I just hate defensive battles. If I wanted to watch low scoring sports I'd be a fan of soccer and hockey! :D
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Oregon loses to UCLA, pushing a 6-6 team into the Rose Bowl.[/QUOTE]

How is this an indictment of the BCS? Major underdogs advancing based only on wins in big games against supposedly superior competition is the primary benefit of having a playoff.
 
[quote name='Magus8472']How is this an indictment of the BCS? Major underdogs advancing based only on wins in big games against supposedly superior competition is the primary benefit of having a playoff.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, if there was a playoff UCLA would get the bid at 6-6 with the conference title as well.

That's just how sports are. There's always weak divisons and the chance of a crappy team from a weak division/conference getting in while much better teams from other conferences who finished 2nd or lower in their league get left out.

See it all the time in the NBA with the 7th and 8th seeds in the East often having losing records.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, if there was a playoff UCLA would get the bid at 6-6 with the conference title as well.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, UCLA will be 7-6 if they win. The more ridiculous half of it is that, if they lose, they'll be 6-7 and thus not bowl eligible in the absence of a waiver.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']I dont know... I am praying the following happens... For BCS Chaos fun...
1) LSU loses to Georgia by 14+.[/QUOTE]

From your keyboard to God's inbox... :pray:
 
LSU and Alabama are the 2 best teams in the country, they just both happen to be in the sec west. 2 best teams should play in the NC, the coaches agree.
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']LSU and Alabama are the 2 best teams in the country, they just both happen to be in the sec west. 2 best teams should play in the NC, the coaches agree.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the whole system is messed up. No other teams even come close to those two, yet only one of them will get a chance at the championship.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']LSU loses to Georgia by 14+. This would push LSU outside of any BCS bowl since Georgia would be in (most likely Sugar) and Bama would be in the NC.[/QUOTE]


I don't even think a blowout could drop LSU past 2. I'm not even sure they would fall from the #1 spot. However, I wonder about the ripple effect a LSU loss could have on OSU.

It's possible that OSU could take over the #1 or #2 spot in the computers if LSU lost since the formulas love the Big 12 and they are already #2 in a couple formulas. Would that computer advantage combined with enough voters putting OSU at #3 and some putting them at #2 because they didn't want to see a rematch cause them to leapfrog to #2?

OSU's worst enemies right now are Virginia Tech and Stanford. Not because either have a chance, but because they are keeping OSU behind in the human polls. An impressive victory over Oklahoma might remind voters that OSU has beaten 4 (5 if they beat OU) Top 25 teams as opposed to Bama's 2 Top 25 teams.
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']Bama has beat more than 2 top 25 teams.. Penn State, Arkansas, Auburn (24), Florida (was ranked 12th at the time).[/QUOTE]
It isn't about how overrated they were earlier... it is about end of the year rankings. Auburn and Florida will not be ranked end of the year. Florida is lucky to even be bowl eligible.

Thus up to now, they only beaten 2 top 25 teams. Note: Penn St has a shot to be unranked at the end of the bowl season.
 
I don't think pointing to the quality of the opponents in the BCS game is a way to validate the system. I'm not saying either Bama or LSU aren't good teams.

The point of all the rankings bullshit and the computers is to draw people in to the NC title game. It's about generating discussion and getting big ratings for the championship game. And if they wind up with an LSU/Bama rematch, the system failed. Most people don't want to see that again. I'm not saying it couldn't be a good ballgame, but it won't pull the numbers it could if the system were different.

At a very minimum, they could keep the BCS system intact if the NCAA really thinks "watercooler discussion" matters, but expand the championship to a three-tiered mini-playoff among the top 8 BCS teams and they'd see their end of the year bowl viewerships jump way up.

People usually watch at least two bowls at the end of the year: their team's bowl and the NC title game. If all of a sudden there are 6 bowl games that influence the NC title game, people will watch that shit, the minimum number of games viewed will include at least a couple of those mini-playoff games.

In that system the BCS talk would be more about "Who gets left out?", but at least quality teams like LSU and Bama will give us a few more compelling games if we're going to be stuck with a rematch for the championship. Again, I don't have a problem with that rematch per se, but there's a way to make this system work better for everyone.
 
The point for me is that there's no way to say who the best team in college football is in most years. Teams play very different schedules and there's no playoff to help sort it out on the field.

LSU and Bama look like the two best teams, so I don't have a problem with them meeting again since the current system can't do anything but match up what the polls put as the top two teams.

But the sport would be a gazillion times more interesting if there was an 8 or 16 team playoff where it was all decided on the field and whoever wins it is the clear champion. If Alabama wins the title at 12-1 with a win and loss over LSU, I wouldn't say with a ton of confidence that they were the clear best team when there's probably going to be other teams like VT, Stanford, maybe Ok State etc. there with the same record that they never had to play.

Lack of a playoff is why I don't really watch a lot of college football outside of WVU games (and those only because I grew up on WV and they were basically the pro team their since that shithole state has no pro sports). With no playoff it all just feels pointless and like a bunch of glorified exhibition games--especially all the bowl games aside from the Mythical National Title game.
 
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Yeah, it's not about determining who is the Best Team in College Football. We know that's largely a shot in the dark. It's just about making the build up to that fairy tale determination more exciting. If you're going to make the post-season the major product, if you're putting your eggs in that basket, then FFS go for it. Don't piss around.
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']Bama has beat more than 2 top 25 teams.. Penn State, Arkansas, Auburn (24), Florida (was ranked 12th at the time).[/QUOTE]


It's hard to debate that the SEC has put out the best team in the nation the last few years, but the sports media has taken that fact and somehow manipulated it into the SEC conference schedule into some sort of gauntlet. It's becoming absolutely ridiculous.

If you watched BCS countdown this weekend, you hear a lot of "body of work" talk regarding Alabama because they came out of the SEC with one loss to the best team in the nation. Lots of the ESPN idiots love to harp on the quality of their loss and "OMG SEC schedule herr derr", but they completely fail to closely examine their schedule as they would with any other team from another conference.

Let's take a look at Alabama's amazing body of work:

W Kent State (5-7)
W Penn State (9-3)
W North Texas (4-7)
W Arkansas (10-2)
W Florida (6-6)
W Vanderbilt (6-6)
W Ole Miss (2-10)
W Tennessee (5-7)
L LSU (12-0)
W Mississippi State (6-6)
W Georgia Southern (9-2, FCS team)
W Auburn (7-5)

Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a winning record: 3
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with 8 wins or more: 2
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a .500 or losing record: 7
Number of opponents beat who are currently ranked: 2 (Penn State, Arkansas)

Somehow we have arrived at the point that beating 6-6 Florida, 6-6 Vandy, 2-10 Ole Miss, 5-7 Tennessee, 6-6 Mississippi State is "impressive" because "Duh, it's the SEC".

Here's some quick comparisons with Alabama's body of work:

Stanford:
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a winning record: 4
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with 8 wins or more: 2
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a .500 or losing record: 7
Number of opponents beat who are currently ranked: 1 (USC - sanctions or not, they're a 10-2 team that would be Top 15)

Oklahoma State:
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a winning record: 6
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with 8 wins or more: 4
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a .500 or losing record: 4
Number of opponents beat who are currently ranked: 4 (Kansas State, Mizzou, Baylor, Texas)

Virginia Tech:
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a winning record: 4
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with 8 wins or more: 3
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a .500 or losing record: 6
Number of opponents beat who are currently ranked: 0

I'm not saying that these teams are better than Alabama just because of the numbers, but it appears that the only important thing in determining body of work has become the loss and the conference affiliation.

Oklahoma State lost to a severe underdog on the road in overtime. Alabama lost to the number one team in the nation at home in overtime. Alabama takes the edge there, but Oklahoma State's list of wins is currently FAR superior to Alabama. If they knock off Oklahoma this weekend, it will only become better.

It should be taken under consideration that given the proper circumstances, anyone can be a formidable opponent. Therefore, a loss shouldn't be the only thing considered when examining a team's body of work. If you don't believe it, then explain why an FCS team rushed for over 300 yards on an Alabama defense that's been praised as "NFL caliber" by some. What about a Western Kentucky team that kept a game with #1 LSU close for the entire first half of the game, and scored a touchdown on that LSU defense (a task Alabama failed to accomplish)?
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Am I the only fucking OSU alum who didn't want Urban Meyer anywhere near the program?[/QUOTE]

Probably.

There's literally no one else they could have hired to give that kind of instant respectability back to the program.

He's won everywhere he's been and avoided major recruiting problems etc.

I despise OSU, so I hate that they got him.
 
Virginia Tech is garbage. Out of the 4 teams they beat with winning record:
GT- 8-4, Only beat 3 teams with winning records (NCST, UNC, CLEM) and none of those teams are good except Clemson, who VT lost to
Arkansas State- 10-2, Only beat 4 teams with winning records (ULL, FIU, WKU, CARK) and all those teams have schedules just as soft as Arkansas State
UNC- 7-5, Only beat 3 teams with winning records (LOU, UVA, RUT) All those teams aren't terrible but none are great, and thats coming from a Louisville/UVA fan.
UVA- 8-4, Only beat 2 teams with winning records (GT, FSU) Already showed that GT isn't good, but I guess FSU is pretty good. Probably VT's most impressive win (38-0)

There is no way anyone can argue that VT has played a tougher schedule than any of the other teams in the top 15. Even Boise State has played a schedule just as tough as VT's.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Virginia Tech is garbage. Out of the 4 teams they beat with winning record:
GT- 8-4, Only beat 3 teams with winning records (NCST, UNC, CLEM) and none of those teams are good except Clemson, who VT lost to
Arkansas State- 10-2, Only beat 4 teams with winning records (ULL, FIU, WKU, CARK) and all those teams have schedules just as soft as Arkansas State
UNC- 7-5, Only beat 3 teams with winning records (LOU, UVA, RUT) All those teams aren't terrible but none are great, and thats coming from a Louisville/UVA fan.
UVA- 8-4, Only beat 2 teams with winning records (GT, FSU) Already showed that GT isn't good, but I guess FSU is pretty good. Probably VT's most impressive win (38-0)

There is no way anyone can argue that VT has played a tougher schedule than any of the other teams in the top 15. Even Boise State has played a schedule just as tough as VT's.[/QUOTE]


I can apply your logic too, out of the 3 teams Alabama beat with winning records:

- Arkansas (10-2) has beaten 2 teams with a winning record: S. Carolina and Auburn.
- Penn State (9-3) has beaten 2 teams (3 if you count FCS teams) with a winning record: Iowa and Temple.
- Auburn (7-5) has beaten 2 teams with (3 if you count FCS teams) with a winning record: Utah State and South Carolina

The point of my post was to show that Alabama is getting an unreasonable amount of credit for being in the SEC, just because it's the SEC. Sports media would have you believe that 6-6 Florida is a quality win. Would they say the same for Wisconsin's win over 6-6 Purdue? Alabama beats 2-10 Ole Miss and they get a pat on the back for going through the SEC conference. Stanford beats 3-9 Oregon State and what do we hear from the ESPN morons... "Who has Stanford beaten this year???"

I just think it's getting out of hand.
 
Your post did its job, it convinced me that Oklahoma state is more deserving to go to the bcs championship than Alabama. I still think bama is the better team, but you proved okst is more deserving. My post was basically showing how big of a fraud vt is. They would get slaughtered by LSU.
 
The ACC and Big East both suck. Thankfully they'll probably play each other in the Orange Bowl, so hopefully it will be a good game at least. VT/Clemson and WVU/Cincy/Louisville would all get killed by other conference champs IMO.

I'm hoping for a WVU/VT matchup. Would be nice to renew that rivalry since VT wouldn't keep it going after they left the Big East.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']The ACC and Big East both suck. Thankfully they'll probably play each other in the Orange Bowl, so hopefully it will be a good game at least. VT/Clemson and WVU/Cincy/Louisville would all get killed by other conference champs IMO.

I'm hoping for a WVU/VT matchup. Would be nice to renew that rivalry since VT wouldn't keep it going after they left the Big East.[/QUOTE]

I'm hoping for Louisville/Clemson for three reasons:
1. fuck VT :p
2. Wvu is leaving, it looks bad for the conference. Cincinnati should take a dive so a true big east team is gaurenteed to go.
3. Louisville!
 
Number 2 is a big reason I hope we get it. A final fuck you to that piece of shit conference! :p

Also, apparently Louisville's coaches are telling recruits that they're going to the Big 12: http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/201...telling-recruits-theyre-headed-for-the-big-12.

Been pretty strong rumors for a while that WVU goes to the Big 12 in 2012 after working out the legal issues, and Louisville and one other team join in 2013 to get them back to 12.

So don't act like Louisville is strongly committed to the Big East or anything. They're only there still as they haven't gotten a chance to leave for another BCS league yet! :D

Things aren't looking good for the Big East at the moment. Talks with BYU broke down and Boise won't join without a western partner. Big East started talking to San Diego State last week, but they're president or AD just said they're going to take their time. UCF, Houston and SMU are all waiting on Boise to join, Navy is in wait and see mode as well.

I would be shocked if in the off season we see Louisville to the Big 12 (and maybe Cincy/USF as well) and Rutgers/UCONN to the ACC and Big East football dies. I wouldn't be shocked if none of that happens and the Big East expansion plans eventually pan out either.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
He's won everywhere he's been and avoided major recruiting problems etc.[/quote]
Did you forget that his tenure at Florida produced an all-time high of Criminal offenses and we aren't talking about just smoking some green either; we are talking grand theft, rape, fighting, and all around being a thug.

The ACC and Big East both suck. Thankfully they'll probably play each other in the Orange Bowl, so hopefully it will be a good game at least. VT/Clemson and WVU/Cincy/Louisville would all get killed by other conference champs IMO.
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I believe if VT wins the ACC that they get paired against Stanford for a classic rematch type game in the Orange Bowl. Big East winner most likely will be paired against either Boise or Houston.
 
[quote name='blindinglights']It's hard to debate that the SEC has put out the best team in the nation the last few years, but the sports media has taken that fact and somehow manipulated it into the SEC conference schedule into some sort of gauntlet. It's becoming absolutely ridiculous.

If you watched BCS countdown this weekend, you hear a lot of "body of work" talk regarding Alabama because they came out of the SEC with one loss to the best team in the nation. Lots of the ESPN idiots love to harp on the quality of their loss and "OMG SEC schedule herr derr", but they completely fail to closely examine their schedule as they would with any other team from another conference.

Let's take a look at Alabama's amazing body of work:

W Kent State (5-7)
W Penn State (9-3)
W North Texas (4-7)
W Arkansas (10-2)
W Florida (6-6)
W Vanderbilt (6-6)
W Ole Miss (2-10)
W Tennessee (5-7)
L LSU (12-0)
W Mississippi State (6-6)
W Georgia Southern (9-2, FCS team)
W Auburn (7-5)

Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a winning record: 3
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with 8 wins or more: 2
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a .500 or losing record: 7
Number of opponents beat who are currently ranked: 2 (Penn State, Arkansas)

Somehow we have arrived at the point that beating 6-6 Florida, 6-6 Vandy, 2-10 Ole Miss, 5-7 Tennessee, 6-6 Mississippi State is "impressive" because "Duh, it's the SEC".

Here's some quick comparisons with Alabama's body of work:

Stanford:
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a winning record: 4
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with 8 wins or more: 2
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a .500 or losing record: 7
Number of opponents beat who are currently ranked: 1 (USC - sanctions or not, they're a 10-2 team that would be Top 15)

Oklahoma State:
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a winning record: 6
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with 8 wins or more: 4
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a .500 or losing record: 4
Number of opponents beat who are currently ranked: 4 (Kansas State, Mizzou, Baylor, Texas)

Virginia Tech:
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a winning record: 4
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with 8 wins or more: 3
Number of Div-1 opponents beat with a .500 or losing record: 6
Number of opponents beat who are currently ranked: 0

I'm not saying that these teams are better than Alabama just because of the numbers, but it appears that the only important thing in determining body of work has become the loss and the conference affiliation.

Oklahoma State lost to a severe underdog on the road in overtime. Alabama lost to the number one team in the nation at home in overtime. Alabama takes the edge there, but Oklahoma State's list of wins is currently FAR superior to Alabama. If they knock off Oklahoma this weekend, it will only become better.

It should be taken under consideration that given the proper circumstances, anyone can be a formidable opponent. Therefore, a loss shouldn't be the only thing considered when examining a team's body of work. If you don't believe it, then explain why an FCS team rushed for over 300 yards on an Alabama defense that's been praised as "NFL caliber" by some. What about a Western Kentucky team that kept a game with #1 LSU close for the entire first half of the game, and scored a touchdown on that LSU defense (a task Alabama failed to accomplish)?[/QUOTE]



Ok first of all, Georgia Southern is actually the top or 2nd team in the FCS, and the ONLY reason they scored that many yards is because they run the triple option which hardly any teams do anymore. Shit, Auburn only had I think 34 yards offense in the first 3 quarters on last Saturdays game. There's probably 4 or 5 guys on Bama's defense that will go first round in the NFL draft just on defense this year. Not to mention they have the best player in the country, Trent Richardson as an RB who's currently ahead of Luck in the Heisman poll.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']I believe if VT wins the ACC that they get paired against Stanford for a classic rematch type game in the Orange Bowl. Big East winner most likely will be paired against either Boise or Houston.[/QUOTE]


While I would like VT to get another shot at Stanford (the second half of last year's bowl game was ridiculous, a total meltdown after keeping it close for the first 30 minutes), I don't think that will be the pairing.

From what I've read so far, I think either the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl will get first dibs picking up Houston and Stanford and then the Orange Bowl will once again be stuck with a shitty Big East team.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Did you forget that his tenure at Florida produced an all-time high of Criminal offenses and we aren't talking about just smoking some green either; we are talking grand theft, rape, fighting, and all around being a thug.
[/quote]

I only said no major recruiting problems--i.e. no NCAA sanctions etc.

Player conduct is another matter. Frankly, I don't think most fans care much about that stuff as long as they win and aren't losing scholarships or getting post season bans etc.

I believe if VT wins the ACC that they get paired against Stanford for a classic rematch type game in the Orange Bowl. Big East winner most likely will be paired against either Boise or Houston.
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If Louisville or Cincy win the Big East that may happen depending on the BCS bowl pecking order (order they pick at large teams as BE doesn't have a set bowl affiliation).

If it's WVU, the Orange will get them per all the bowl projections I've seen as our fans travel well to bowls.

Plus a WVU-VT matchup would be a pretty hot ticket as it's a huge rivalry and they haven't played since 2005 so it would be a sure fire sell out.

[quote name='blindinglights']From what I've read so far, I think either the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl will get first dibs picking up Houston and Stanford and then the Orange Bowl will once again be stuck with a shitty Big East team.[/QUOTE]

WVU is far from shitty this year. Just lost a couple of games they should have won due to youth on defense and some hiccups on offense with the totally new system Holgorsen brought in. I'd like our chances against VT or Clemson for sure!

Now if you get stuck with Louisville or Cincy, then fair point!
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']Ok first of all, Georgia Southern is actually the top or 2nd team in the FCS, and the ONLY reason they scored that many yards is because they run the triple option which hardly any teams do anymore. Shit, Auburn only had I think 34 yards offense in the first 3 quarters on last Saturdays game. There's probably 4 or 5 guys on Bama's defense that will go first round in the NFL draft just on defense this year. Not to mention they have the best player in the country, Trent Richardson as an RB who's currently ahead of Luck in the Heisman poll.[/QUOTE]

How does any of this refute what the other guy wrote?
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']Not to mention they have the best player in the country, Trent Richardson as an RB who's currently ahead of Luck in the Heisman poll.[/QUOTE]


Anyone who actually thinks Trent Richardson is the best player -- or even running back -- in the nation is clearly affected by the SEC bias I spoke of earlier.


Rushing Yards Per Game
1. LaMichael James (Oregon) 142.70
2. Bobby Rainy (W. Kentucky) 141.25
3. Montee Ball (Wisconsin) 135.17
4. Ronnie Hillman (SD State) 134.36
5. David Wilson (Virginia Tech) 132.92
6. Trent Richardson (Alabama) 131.92

Rushing Touchdowns
1. Montee Ball (Wisconsin) 29
2. Bernard Pierce (Temple) 25
3. Collin Klein (Kansas State) 25
4. Joseph Randle (Ok. State) 21
5. Trent Richardson (Alabama) 20

Yards Per Attempt Among Running Backs w/ Minimum of 1000 yards
1. Henry Josey (Missouri) 8.06
2. Chandler Harnish (N Illinois) 7.85
3. Asher Clark (Air Force) 7.26
4. Curtis McNeal (USC) 6.93
5. Montee Ball (Wisconsin) 6.54
...
9. Trent Richardson (Alabama) 6.02

Total Rushing Yards
1. Bobby Rainey (W. Kentucky) 1695
2. Montee Ball (Wisconsin) 1622
3. David Wilson (Virginia Tech) 1595
4. Trent Richardson (Alabama) 1583
5. Robbie Rouse (Fresno State) 1488


He's clearly a great running back, but to say he's the best player in college football or even at his position this year... Based on what? Just because he's the best running back in the SEC?

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the SEC. The champions they've produced over the last few years have been absolutely worthy of the crystal football. What I do have a problem with is how the conference label alone now gives teams and players some sort of instant advantage that, I believe in many cases, is unwarranted.



[quote name='dmaul1114']WVU is far from shitty this year. Just lost a couple of games they should have won due to youth on defense and some hiccups on offense with the totally new system Holgorsen brought in. I'd like our chances against VT or Clemson for sure!

Now if you get stuck with Louisville or Cincy, then fair point![/QUOTE]


As much as I want WVU as a potential Orange Bowl opponent, I have a feeling that Cincy will screw it up.

They need to stop putting Big East teams against ACC teams. With both leagues being perceived as weak, playing each other only hurts both conferences.
 
Agreed on that. Hopefully autobids go away and they just take the top 10-12 teams for the BCS and whatever bowl match up scheme they end up with splits up the ACC and Big East.

Even better if the Big East just dies and gets absorbed in to the Big 12 and ACC fully, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

And also agreed that Cincy will likely screw it up--if WVU doesn't screw it up themselves tomorrow night! If WVU wins, then Cincy is eliminated so they may not have a lot of passion on Saturday since it's pretty much a meaningless game.

Though I did read that their coach gets a pretty decent bonus for winning 9 games.....
 
B.J. Daniels is out for USF against WVU tonight.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=92213related/

Not sure if that's good or bad for WVU. Their back up QB didn't look very good last week against Louisville. But Daniels is one of the most inconsistent QBs out there. Gangbusters one weak, kills his team with INTs and mistakes the next.


EDIT: Looks like NBC jumped the gun on that. Daniels has been cleared to play and will start tonight per CBS Sports.
 
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Damn! That was ulcer inducing. WVU played like shit, but beats USF 30-27 on a field goal as time expires that was set up by a diving catch on 4th down.

Cincy is eliminated, so it will be WVU or Louisville in the BCS. WVU is in if Cincy beats UCONN, Louisville is in if Cincy loses.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Damn! That was ulcer inducing. WVU played like shit, but beats USF 30-27 on a field goal as time expires that was set up by a diving catch on 4th down.

Cincy is eliminated, so it will be WVU or Louisville in the BCS. WVU is in if Cincy beats UCONN, Louisville is in if Cincy loses.[/QUOTE]
I was actually rooting for wvu because now cincy has nothing to play for and uconn is playing for a bowl. I hope if Louisville does go that they play Houston instead of vt/Clemson.

This is random but we should start a college bball thread.
 
Very true. Though as I posted earlier, Butch Jones' contract gives him a pretty decent bonus for winning 9+ games, so he at least has personal incentive to fire up his team. :D

There's no way Louisville team could play Houston. Orange bowl has the last pick, and 7-5 Louisville team would be the last pick (since the Big East doesn't have a bowl tie in they're treated like a mandatory at large pick).

I hope WVU plays VT in the Orange if Cincy wins. But with our fans traveling well, there's some chance the Sugar or Fiesta could grab us instead of Houston since they pick before the Orange.
 
I had no idea it was a draft type thing. I was wondering how that worked. So is the big east the only aq with out an automatic bid in a certain bowl? I always thought they had a auto bid to the orange bowl.
 
Yep, BE is only one with no set bowl affiliation. No autobid to the Orange, which is why the Orange has only had a BE team twice since the 2004 raid (Louisville in 2006 and Cincy a couple years back).

Bowl affiliations are:

Rose--Big 10 and Pac 12
Fiesta--Big 12
Sugar- SEC
Oragne- ACC

So only the Rose has both slots auto assigned, others have a set champ an at large/Big East. If a bowl loses a team to the national title game then they get another at large selection.

The "draft order" for at large/big east changes year to year on a set rotation. Orange bowl has the last pick this year.
 
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[quote name='gbpackers94']I was actually rooting for wvu because now cincy has nothing to play for and uconn is playing for a bowl.[/QUOTE]


I've seen this from UL fans on a few different message boards now.

Do you really think that the whole Cincy team just sighed tonight and said "that's it guys, nothing to play for Saturday, we might as well not show up"?

BCS bowl or not, Cincy is still playing for a chance to claim a share of the 2011 Big East Championship. The players are athletes, they want to win. I doubt any of them are ever OK with losing, even it does help screw over another team.

I just think that's some screwy logic. Do you really think Louisville basketball players would be cool losing a game to some random team if it resulted in Kentucky being royally screwed?
 
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