Official Final Fantasy IV DS thread: play the greatness.

[quote name='Inf^Shini']
The dolls should be a breeze, I had no idea they ended up forming together til' my brother told me later on since they go down pretty fast.

The Golbez fight can be a pain at first since you will only have Cecil and Rydia after the rest of the party is taken out. You really only need Cecil, Rydia, and Rosa to beat Golbez. First off, while your whole party is still alive, have Rosa cast slow on Golbez, I only went through the fight once, so I don't know if regular attacks w/ no elemental affinity will cause Golbez to do Barrier Shift, since he is first off weak against Holy, and when Rydia pops in she casts Dragon which has holy element, and you don't want her healing Golbez, so don't attack til' she comes in.

The tricky part in the fight is reviving Rosa, you gotta time it so that one revives and the other heals her enough to survive the -ara spells that Golbez will throw at you. Cecil should have Libra, so once you get Rosa up and running, have her heal, Cecil use Libra on Golbez every time he uses Barrier Shift to see what his weakness is changed to, and have Rydia summon up the corresponding eidolon. That'll basically be the strategy throughout the fight.
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This was really really helpful. I had never before used Libra and known what it really did.

As for beating Golbez,
luckily I was able to do it with just Cecil and Rydia. Cecil was busy casting Cura and Libra, while Rydia did all the summoning. A tense battle. Took me four tries to beat him.

Thanks a lot for your help. Finally I can move on in the game.
 
My only Final Fantasy experience prior to this was FFX, so the battle system in this one is bothering me. The game's manual said that setting the battle mode to "wait" would give me ample time to chose my move, but I'm still being attacked while navigating the menu. I switched it back and forth from "active" to "wait" and it made no difference.

Not really understanding the purpose of the battle speeds either.
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']My only Final Fantasy experience prior to this was FFX, so the battle system in this one is bothering me. The game's manual said that setting the battle mode to "wait" would give me ample time to chose my move, but I'm still being attacked while navigating the menu. I switched it back and forth from "active" to "wait" and it made no difference.

Not really understanding the purpose of the battle speeds either.[/quote]

The Wait option only applies to when your choosing White or Black magic items. Other than that the battle just goes on normally. For battle speeds 6 is the slowest, and 1 is the fastest where the bar fills up very quickly and the whole battle moves fast, so you got to pay attention or you'll be wiped out.
 
fucking Rainbow Puddings.

fucking Rainbow Puddings.

Aargh. I'm ready to put this game down and pick up Mass Effect or Final Fantasy II instead.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']fucking Rainbow Puddings.

fucking Rainbow Puddings.

Aargh. I'm ready to put this game down and pick up Mass Effect or Final Fantasy II instead.[/quote]

Well I got lucky and found Rainbow Pudding while I was playing normally somewhere along the line but didn't realise it until after an hour of grinding for it.

Now I'm working on Pink Tails. I think I've done at least 300 battles and managed to get 7 Rainbow Pudding, but not a single fucking Pink Tail and I need to get five of them! FIVE!
 
5!?!?! What in the devil for?

I finally got my rainbow pudding after exactly 99 battles.

Now I'm getting my ass handed to me in the Lair of the Father. So close to the end, I have about 12 augments, and little desire to have a second or third playthrough.
 
Five becuase the final five characters can wear the armor the tail gets you and it's one of the best, if not the best armor. Also it carries over into New Game+.

The way things are going for me, I may give up part way. ~_~
 
Alright, is there some key element to battling that I'm missing? I just started the game and I'm already hopelessly outmatched. I'm just wandering a beach right now, and basically, if I enter a battle, I'm dead. Seriously, I'm fucking dead before that stupid fucking gauge even fills! Am I doing something wrong? I must be, because right now, it's literally impossible to advance.
 
[quote name='Draekon']Never had that problem. How far through the game are you and where are you specifically at or near?[/quote]


I just destroyed that town at the beginning. Woke up on a beach (or desert), Kain is gone, so is the girl.
 
It's a beach you woke up on and you're suppose to head to the nearest town. The enemies there aren't too hard, but you should try and run from battles (R1) until you explore town (make sure to save before entering town though).

Enemies there are tough to solo, definitely.
 
[quote name='Draekon']It's a beach you woke up on and you're suppose to head to the nearest town. The enemies there aren't too hard, but you should try and run from battles (R1) until you explore town (make sure to save before entering town though).

Enemies there are tough to solo, definitely.[/quote]


I'll give it a try. (I didn't know I could run from battle #-o). Although, I only have one path to take. It leads me to a cave, where I end up being blocked by some stupid cat-man thing. Is there a town around there? I must've missed it completely.
 
Ok, I remember where you are now. I was thinking you're a little further along in the game. Guess I was too tired to remember before, meh.


Anyways, you're in Kaipo Desert. There's a town in the dead center of it and you should head there. After the events in town you'll probably want to level that girl up to around level 10 before proceeding too and run for any Sand Worms you encounter (Rare giant worm enemies).
 
[quote name='Draekon']
Anyways, you're in Kaipo Desert. There's a town in the dead center of it and you should head there.[/quote]


#-o

I was looking at the map thinking "Wow, there's a lot of space here. There must be something in the middle." But then I thought, "No, why would there be anything there?" So I never went to look. :rofl:
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']#-o

I was looking at the map thinking "Wow, there's a lot of space here. There must be something in the middle." But then I thought, "No, why would there be anything there?" So I never went to look. :rofl:[/quote]

Same happened with me, was just wandering around on the edge of the land, that map that fills out didn't make me think about going to the center. Hell I went into a cave in the north and was like WTF when I was blocked from moving onwards.
 
Man, I'm at the point where I just need to do some grinding and then finish off the final boss.

But I'm just not feelin' it, man. I'm kinda done with the game, but I'm also right fuckin' there.
 
[quote name='Koggit']You can't stop, it's not an option.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. Just beat it, sitting through the ending.

Same as it ever was (no CGI cutscenes thus far). Maybe, if I feel tempted to replay this in a few years, I'll use the new game plus option.

Great remake overall.
 
yeah, there's no motivation for new game plus considering all that you open up is just some optional bosses...and you still have to go through the entire game to get to him
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Man, I'm at the point where I just need to do some grinding and then finish off the final boss.

But I'm just not feelin' it, man. I'm kinda done with the game, but I'm also right fuckin' there.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to my life; when it comes to me and RPGs, I just seem to get right to the final boss, think about grinding like crazy... then I never touch the game again. :|
 
Oh, man, I spent a week away from home for work with only dialup Internet and no cable - and just the DS for a gaming system. Needless to say I was able to put a lot of time into this game.

I was playing on the plane on the way home and I seem to be stuck though. I don't want to read too much spoilerage so if anyone has a quick tip I'd appreciate it. I've just gotten the Earth crystal:

Now I'm supposed to head underground somehow. I've run all over the place and can't seem to find any new places. I've uncovered the whole map, and explored that area in the lower left. The monsters are pretty tough there and I went through that castle and got all the chests. It seems there must be something else to do there as there is a cave only accessible by boat that I can't get to. The shallows lead back to that castle - so I'm assuming there's a way to get a boat from that castle? Thing is, I explored it pretty thoroughly and the monsters are pretty tough to keep running around without being sure that's what I'm supposed to do. Any ideas?
 
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[quote name='io']Oh, man, I spent a week away from home for work with only dialup Internet and no cable - and just the DS for a gaming system. Needless to say I was able to put a lot of time into this game.

I was playing on the plane on the way home and I seem to be stuck though. I don't want to read too much spoilerage so if anyone has a quick tip I'd appreciate it. I've just gotten the Earth crystal:

Now I'm supposed to head underground somehow. I've run all over the place and can't seem to find any new places. I've uncovered the whole map, and explored that area in the lower left. The monsters are pretty tough there and I went through that castle and got all the chests. It seems there must be something else to do there as there is a cave only accessible by boat that I can't get to. The shallows lead back to that castle - so I'm assuming there's a way to get a boat from that castle? Thing is, I explored it pretty thoroughly and the monsters are pretty tough to keep running around without being sure that's what I'm supposed to do. Any ideas?
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Kain should have brought an item with him when he returned to the party. The item needs to be used in one of the locations you haven't had a reason to visit to this point in the game. The characters may also give some tips in their thought bubble when you go to the menu screen (change characters, X i think, then go to the menu screen). io, I am sure you can figure out the rest ;)
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']
Kain should have brought an item with him when he returned to the party. The item needs to be used in one of the locations you haven't had a reason to visit to this point in the game. The characters may also give some tips in their thought bubble when you go to the menu screen (change characters, X i think, then go to the menu screen). io, I am sure you can figure out the rest ;)
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Well, after not getting a response here for a day (I played last night before you posted) I had to resort to GameFAQs which I really didn't want to do for this gane. The thing is, I HAD visited that town WAY earlier so it would have taken ages for me to figure out I had to go back there again. I was fixated on that lower left continent because that's where the tough monsters were so I figured the next plot point would be there. Also, I never could figure out how to change characters except for once it happened automatically when Cecil got killed (then I was stuck as Cid for a long time). I guess I'll try that in the future if I'm stuck to see what they say. Cecil's "tip" was utterly useless (something like "we have to go underground, but where?").

In any case, after 2 attempts at the second boss (once you do go to the right place and end up in the
Dwarven caslte
) I gave up. I have no problem with the
dolls/puppets, but Golbez is a pain in the ass. It's great that Rydia comes back but he just kills her instantly, so I'm stuck with a low HP Cecil and no one else
. I'll try it again tonight.
 
[quote name='io']Well, after not getting a response here for a day (I played last night before you posted) I had to resort to GameFAQs which I really didn't want to do for this gane. The thing is, I HAD visited that town WAY earlier so it would have taken ages for me to figure out I had to go back there again. I was fixated on that lower left continent because that's where the tough monsters were so I figured the next plot point would be there. Also, I never could figure out how to change characters except for once it happened automatically when Cecil got killed (then I was stuck as Cid for a long time). I guess I'll try that in the future if I'm stuck to see what they say. Cecil's "tip" was utterly useless (something like "we have to go underground, but where?").

In any case, after 2 attempts at the second boss (once you do go to the right place and end up in the
Dwarven caslte
) I gave up. I have no problem with the
dolls/puppets, but Golbez is a pain in the ass. It's great that Rydia comes back but he just kills her instantly, so I'm stuck with a low HP Cecil and no one else
. I'll try it again tonight.[/quote]

Sorry for not answering sooner io. I haven't looked at this thread for a while and when I saw it last night I was at a loss for words. This fight (for me), has always been tough. First, make sure Cecil comes out of the doll fight at close to 100% health. I don't know if you can do it now, but in the FFII SNES version you could time Kain's jump so he was in the air when Golbez summons his dragon. Don't know if you can do that now. FWIW I couldn't get that trick to work. I beat him by reversing roles. Start out by having Rydia heal Cecil. Then have Cecil heal both of them and intermittently use Libra to find Golbez's weak point. Rydia summons to appropriate monster and Cecil attacks when he can which a non-elemental based weapon when he isn't healing or casting Libra.
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']Alright, is there some key element to battling that I'm missing? I just started the game and I'm already hopelessly outmatched. I'm just wandering a beach right now, and basically, if I enter a battle, I'm dead. Seriously, I'm fucking dead before that stupid fucking gauge even fills! Am I doing something wrong? I must be, because right now, it's literally impossible to advance.[/QUOTE]
Is the DS version exponentially more difficult than the previous versions? I just started the GBA version and made it past the part you mention (which is like... 30 minutes into the game?) with absolutely zero grinding. I also ended up wandering the desert for a bit until I found the town, but I had no difficulty with the combats.
 
Alright, I feel really stupid but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to change my charatcer so I can see what the others have to say. It changes for me on the rare times Cecil dies but the others live and then back again as they die and he lives. I see no way to change from the menu. Yeah, it's probably in the manual but I have the case put away somewhere.

By the way, I've progressed much further and got past what I thought was a near-impossible monster (the second form of Lugae -
use a couple of elixirs - makes it go from one of the hardest to one of the easiest though he still managed to kill everyone but Cecil and Kain
).
 
It's just one of the buttons.. I forget which button but there aren't many to try. When you're on the overworld view, able to walk around, just try pressing each of the buttons a/b/x/y/l/r/select/start. It's totally one of them.
 
[quote name='Koggit']It's just one of the buttons.. I forget which button but there aren't many to try. When you're on the overworld view, able to walk around, just try pressing each of the buttons a/b/x/y/l/r/select/start. It's totally one of them.[/QUOTE]

It's just on the overworld? I have been trying it while in the menus because someone said you see the comments from the different people in there - thus I assumed you changed while in there. Though I swear I've tried every button while running around too. Maybe not though.

From a UI standpoint, I don't see why there isn't an option to change the "leader" on the "Party" screen. There's little icons for each char on the touch screen and touching them does absolutely nothing. You ought to be able to double tap them or something and have an indication of who the "leader" is. Odd choices...
 
When your just walking around in where ever it is that you are, just hit the Y button and than you'll have your different character. After that just hit the X to bring up the menu and than you'll get the thought bubbles.
 
[quote name='Koggit']Don't run from those worms! They give a ton of exp. Consider yourself lucky when you spawn one.[/QUOTE]

man my cat must be loaded with exp then : )
 
[quote name='Koggit']Yeah, I didn't even know you could change until about halfway through the game when I did it on accident.[/QUOTE]

I had no idea what you all were talking about until today when I accidentally changed my "leader". I am playing the GBA version on a Micro, and I was holding down the L shoulder button to change brightness. I was like, why is my character flickering through all the different members of my party? I thought it was a game bug. Then I realized what was happening.
 
After I discovered how to change leaders by accident, I started changing all the time to read their comments. Some of them are pretty funny.
 
A bit late to the game, but I just started FF4DS over the weekend after I finished Mario & Luigi 2 (there's a backlog item I'm glad to have out of the way!).

So far I'm enjoying it, but the pacing is a little strange to me. I've played the original so many times across 3 systems (SNES, PSX, GBA) that to a degree I feel I'm just going through the motions, though I'm enjoying the cinematics and more mature story-telling.

Does it stand on it's own as it goes on, or will a veteran player like myself always feel a little jaded and not quite as excited as I would have been if it hadn't already seen multiple iterations? I'm optimistic I will, but it is a concern.
 
[quote name='johnnypark']
Does it stand on it's own as it goes on, or will a veteran player like myself always feel a little jaded and not quite as excited as I would have been if it hadn't already seen multiple iterations? I'm optimistic I will, but it is a concern.[/quote]

It could just be you. Some people like to watch movies and tv shows multiple times while some don't. I don't see why games would be any different.
 
[quote name='laaj']It could just be you. Some people like to watch movies and tv shows multiple times while some don't. I don't see why games would be any different.[/quote]

I just killed the antlion and I'm starting to appreciate the subtleties that make this version stand out. I still think it's a few years too early, mainly due to FF4 Advance, but oh well.

The graphics look like a mix of FF7 and FF9, and the lighting in the cutscenes is wonderful.
 
I need to finish this up.

I just entered the Giant of Babil and I'm pretty sure my guys are high enough to cruise through to the end. Then again, I ran into a Behemoth on the moon that almost killed my party.
 
I just got to Mysidia. Enjoying it more and more the further I get in!

The MomBomb wrecked me a few times. I'm liking the extra difficulty to the remake, it makes the game way more than just pressing 'confirm' over and over to attack. FF4 was always a bit more that way, though, due to the character class balancing, but they perfected that quality here.
 
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