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[quote name='Mookyjooky']
Cheapy - Sorry if I wasnt being too sportsmenlike....I was really just trying to be funny.
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Its ok...I just can't stand the namecalling...I'm too old for that shit.
 
[quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='zewone'][quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='CheapyD'][quote name='SteveMcQ']I distinctly remember killing Cheapy a few times the other night. Actually, come to think of it, when I see his name in a group of guys, I always go after him. Oh, it must have been an off-night for Cheapy. I was talking about zewone that went on the killing spree.[/quote]
There aren't many "on" nights. ;)
Everybody loves to kill Cheapy.[/quote]

It's the mark of pride in being able to say you killed CheapyD. :D[/quote]

Nothing says thank you for showing me great video game deals like a shotgun butt to the back of the head[/quote]

When I first started playing Halo 2 with the CAGs and I would say " Hey, theres Cheapy! Let me shoot him in the face!" to myself. I thought it was quite fun. :D[/quote]

If you can't shoot your friends in the face, who can you shoot in the face? :D[/quote]
Makes me think of a good strategy you could use if he is on your team. Use him as bait to draw the other team in then ambush them. He would be a cheapyworm
 
[quote name='CheapyD'][quote name='Mookyjooky']
Cheapy - Sorry if I wasnt being too sportsmenlike....I was really just trying to be funny.
[/quote]

Its ok...I just can't stand the namecalling...I'm too old for that shit.[/quote]

I'm with you there.
 
[quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='CheapyD'][quote name='Mookyjooky']
Cheapy - Sorry if I wasnt being too sportsmenlike....I was really just trying to be funny.
[/quote]

Its ok...I just can't stand the namecalling...I'm too old for that shit.[/quote]

I'm with you there.[/quote]

I wasnt REALLY name calling....just saying that playing them was "as fun as watching fat people fu ck."
 
[quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='CheapyD'][quote name='Mookyjooky']
Cheapy - Sorry if I wasnt being too sportsmenlike....I was really just trying to be funny.
[/quote]

Its ok...I just can't stand the namecalling...I'm too old for that shit.[/quote]

I'm with you there.[/quote]

Yeah, name-calling is far and away the silliest sort of trash talk. The few times that I do feel the need to trash talk (which usually isn't until another party starts it with me), sarcasm wins the day every time. I find that some people get especially angry when I tell them that they are my favorite kill. :lol: Cursing should be avoided if possible, because it's really just as immature as name-calling. Not to say that any trash can be construed as mature or positive, but it definitely has it's place and can even be strategic against those who forget that the internet doesn't love you and never will.
 
[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='CheapyD'][quote name='Mookyjooky']
Cheapy - Sorry if I wasnt being too sportsmenlike....I was really just trying to be funny.
[/quote]

Its ok...I just can't stand the namecalling...I'm too old for that shit.[/quote]

I'm with you there.[/quote]

Yeah, name-calling is far and away the silliest sort of trash talk. The few times that I do feel the need to trash talk (which usually isn't until another party starts it with me), sarcasm wins the day every time. I find that some people get especially angry when I tell them that they are my favorite kill. :lol: Cursing should be avoided if possible, because it's really just as immature as name-calling. Not to say that any trash can be construed as mature or positive, but it definitely has it's place and can even be strategic against those who forget that the internet doesn't love you and never will.[/quote]

Ok ill try to hold off on the swearing during our matches but im not promising anything. Hope to see you guys on later
 
[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='CheapyD'][quote name='Mookyjooky']
Cheapy - Sorry if I wasnt being too sportsmenlike....I was really just trying to be funny.
[/quote]

Its ok...I just can't stand the namecalling...I'm too old for that shit.[/quote]

I'm with you there.[/quote]

Yeah, name-calling is far and away the silliest sort of trash talk. The few times that I do feel the need to trash talk (which usually isn't until another party starts it with me), sarcasm wins the day every time. I find that some people get especially angry when I tell them that they are my favorite kill. :lol: Cursing should be avoided if possible, because it's really just as immature as name-calling. Not to say that any trash can be construed as mature or positive, but it definitely has it's place and can even be strategic against those who forget that the internet doesn't love you and never will.[/quote]

Ledhead, between you, me and JSweeney, it might be some very constructive trash talking. :D
 
[quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='CheapyD'][quote name='Mookyjooky']
Cheapy - Sorry if I wasnt being too sportsmenlike....I was really just trying to be funny.
[/quote]

Its ok...I just can't stand the namecalling...I'm too old for that shit.[/quote]

I'm with you there.[/quote]

Yeah, name-calling is far and away the silliest sort of trash talk. The few times that I do feel the need to trash talk (which usually isn't until another party starts it with me), sarcasm wins the day every time. I find that some people get especially angry when I tell them that they are my favorite kill. :lol: Cursing should be avoided if possible, because it's really just as immature as name-calling. Not to say that any trash can be construed as mature or positive, but it definitely has it's place and can even be strategic against those who forget that the internet doesn't love you and never will.[/quote]

Ledhead, between you, me and JSweeney, it might be some very constructive trash talking. :D[/quote]

I want JSweeney in there. He doesn't even have to leave the base. He can stand right next to the flag and berate the enemy forces as they approach. We'd win without even firing a shot. The other team would turn tail back to their base, fearing that their morale would again be crushed instantly by the calm, collected voice of Sweeney echoing through the landscape.

fuck, does Sweeney have Live? He is so in. :lol:
 
[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='CheapyD'][quote name='Mookyjooky']
Cheapy - Sorry if I wasnt being too sportsmenlike....I was really just trying to be funny.
[/quote]

Its ok...I just can't stand the namecalling...I'm too old for that shit.[/quote]

I'm with you there.[/quote]

Yeah, name-calling is far and away the silliest sort of trash talk. The few times that I do feel the need to trash talk (which usually isn't until another party starts it with me), sarcasm wins the day every time. I find that some people get especially angry when I tell them that they are my favorite kill. :lol: Cursing should be avoided if possible, because it's really just as immature as name-calling. Not to say that any trash can be construed as mature or positive, but it definitely has it's place and can even be strategic against those who forget that the internet doesn't love you and never will.[/quote]

Ledhead, between you, me and JSweeney, it might be some very constructive trash talking. :D[/quote]

I want JSweeney in there. He doesn't even have to leave the base. He can stand right next to the flag and berate the enemy forces as they approach. We'd win without even firing a shot. The other team would turn tail back to their base, fearing that their morale would again be crushed instantly by the calm, collected voice of Sweeney echoing through the landscape.

shaq-fu, does Sweeney have Live? He is so in. :lol:[/quote]

Hell, to get him on Live, I'd pay for his connection, just to have him berate them and sing the song of CheapyD at our enemies. :D
 
Hey guys I would like to play a few games with you all. I'm already in a clan (Ramblers) but I wouldn't mine playing a few games with fellow cheapmates. My gamertag is RYOSNK, so look for me.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Hey guys I just want to apologize for not being able to make any practices or matches lately...Very busy week. I probably won't be back playing again until next Tuesday night, so see you all then.[/quote]Same for me. I've been very busy and won't be able to play until Friday at the earliest. I haven't been able to play Halo 2 in several weeks sadly. :(

I should start to play alot of it soon, so I hope we can play alot of clan matches.
 
[quote name='sj41'][quote name='Ugamer_X']Hey guys I just want to apologize for not being able to make any practices or matches lately...Very busy week. I probably won't be back playing again until next Tuesday night, so see you all then.[/quote]Same for me. I've been very busy and won't be able to play until Friday at the earliest. I haven't been able to play Halo 2 in several weeks sadly. :(

I should start to play alot of it soon, so I hope we can play alot of clan matches.[/quote]

That's been the case for many, including myself, considering this is finals week for alot of us. Hopefully during the xmas holiday I'll be able to make the practices regularly.
 
yeah, obviously the lag was hell tonight. i'm pretty sure it was the servers though, as it was bad no matter what size game i played. it even cost us a clan match. lame. anyhow, i appreciate everyone showing up for practice, it's too bad it was ruined.
 
[quote name='rocksolidaudio']yeah, obviously the lag was hell tonight. i'm pretty sure it was the servers though, as it was bad no matter what size game i played. it even cost us a clan match. lame. anyhow, i appreciate everyone showing up for practice, it's too bad it was ruined.[/quote]

I take it it didn't get any better for you guys? It never got any better when we split up either. We had one game that was running pretty well, and then it mysteriously booted me and Arikado and allowed Pimpinc333 and zewone to continue. Not very fun games at all.

Next week we'll see if the server problems are still apparent. If they are, perhaps we should move practice to earlier in the day, when perhaps the servers won't be so crowded.

Like rock said, thanks to everyone who showed up. Hopefully this won't be a problem by next week.
 
Anyone want to go more in depth with their posistion on the clan? Such as specifying who's best on defense/offense/sniping/banshee/wraith etc...? Everyone would have to be honest with their faults but if we could get an update on the first page with the posistions we're good at, I'm sure we'd be better as a whole. There should be possibly 6 or 7 set catagories that a clan member could be in so that the list wouldn't get too specific. That way we can base our team skirmishes with the most even players. I, for one, specialize on defense & the wraith.
 
That lag was the worst lag ive ever had. I mean i saw 2 minutes of a match and the rest was blue screen. Im not too sure what i specialize in but never rely on me to drive a banshee or wraith, cus im pretty bad with those, especially the wraith
 
Bah I just got dropped completely by my ISP and couldn't get it working again till 1:30 am that next morning, should be on tonight.
 
[quote name='rywateska']Anyone want to go more in depth with their posistion on the clan? Such as specifying who's best on defense/offense/sniping/banshee/wraith etc...? Everyone would have to be honest with their faults but if we could get an update on the first page with the posistions we're good at, I'm sure we'd be better as a whole. There should be possibly 6 or 7 set catagories that a clan member could be in so that the list wouldn't get too specific. That way we can base our team skirmishes with the most even players. I, for one, specialize on defense & the wraith.[/quote]

I get more kills with the Battle Rifle. I don't know why that is. I just don't have the tendency to spray bullets with that thing which is nice. I don't mind playing defense either. Whatever gets the job done.
 
[quote name='rywateska']Anyone want to go more in depth with their posistion on the clan? Such as specifying who's best on defense/offense/sniping/banshee/wraith etc...? Everyone would have to be honest with their faults but if we could get an update on the first page with the posistions we're good at, I'm sure we'd be better as a whole. There should be possibly 6 or 7 set catagories that a clan member could be in so that the list wouldn't get too specific. That way we can base our team skirmishes with the most even players. I, for one, specialize on defense & the wraith.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing....I'd hate to be an ass...but there's some people who just cant drive shit...and they need to be passenger or gunner. Plain and simple.

People who've played with me know that I'm good with Objectives, bad with kills. I suck in slayer....but I can plant a bomb like a mofo. I'm a bad ass driver...not too good on the gun turret, but a golden-god in wraith or ghost.

You can't count on me one bit to protect the flag, cause i'm good at not getting hit (Flag, support and bomb) but I suck at hitting people. I cant use a sniper rifle and I dont dual wield too well. But I usually end up getting 3rd place in kills cause of my vehicle skills.

I'm good with communication and I think I'm funny (But I may not be, my humor is either you like it or hate it. I say jokes like "It's not rape if you scream "SURPRISE!!!!" while doing it")

I get tired of going online and hoping in a warthog and getting killed cause the idiot cant drive properly and we keep getting flipped over. And of course if you say anything, they cuss you out....and call you an asshole. That's annoying....I'm not gonna call people out, but you know who you are. I have faults in the game too, but I'm open to suggestion....and now I know where I stand in battle. I'm offencive/objective.

I feel that I'm an asset to the team, and I KNOW my strengths and weaknesses and I know you just cant be perfect at all of them. That's what makes me a good player, cause I know how to handle myself. I think if everyone deflated their ego a little and we focused on strengths we could rule.
 
Good point. I stay away from vehicles as well. I just hoof it for the most part. Give me my battle rifle, a few grenades and my standing orders and I'm good to go.
 
MookyJooky has a good point, as does rywateska. However, I don't know how viable of an option this would be due to the size of the clan, and when people play online.

People should definately know their limitations and should not hesitate to say what they are good at doing when the play. For example, I absolutely suck at driving a warthog, and do not hesitate to say so. Thus, someone else usually steps up to the plate after I say that me driving the warthog usually results in three kills for the other team.

So, I guess my point is that communication is key. Dont heasitate to say what you are good / bad at doing within the game. The worst team games are when people do their own thing without saying a word to their teammates.
 
I'll buy the domain for people who are serious about the Cheapassgamers clan.

I think we should split the Clan into 3 [teams of 8] groups:

Cheapass "Red" Team (East Coast):

Cheapass "Blue" Team (Central and Mountain):

Cheapass "Gold" Team (West Coast):

RockSolid Still controls the Main Clan and we all stay in the CheapassGamer Clan. But, we split the clan up internally and set up times for us all to play once a week.

Then we divide the teams into these "Player Traits". Since the teams are teams of 8 that means that more than 1/2 the clan are fillers....or "2nd string". For when clan teammembers cant make it.

They're alot of people who are in the clan and never play clan matches and they're alot of people who can't make time once a week to play for real and I respect that....but for the people who only play this game "Like me"....this is the ultimate setup.

Imagine being the best with the sniper rifle on the team and the clan member who sucks at it picks it up first cause he's closer to it. Now imagine not having to worry about shit like that. I suck with the sniper rifle , but I'll pick it up if its just sitting there....but NOW: I'll know to call out for a "sniper rifle pickup at mookyjooky destination" Then the best sniper on the team can grab it and I'll protect him as he moves back to his post.

Offensive/Objective (Bomb carriers and Flag grabbers [passengers, Drivers]):

Offensive/Support (Bomb/Flag Support [Drivers, gunners]):

Defensive/Attackers (Scouts and external defense):

Defensive/Protectors (Internal Defense and "Callers" [People who call out where the opposing team is attacking from]):

Like for example I would be a

Mookyjooky : Offensive/Objective | Defensive/Attackers

Because I'm great for getting the flag and planting bombs, as well as scouting with a ghost and spawn camping to keep opposing offensive numbers down.

I'll buy the site "Cheapasshaloclan.com" if I can get a decent designer. As most people know here I'm a graphics person...but I suck ass in site creation. We can all get on NetMeeting sometime and design a site.

I'll draw out a concept site and scan it and we can all make suggestions and design the site to show all of us and have links that show the Bungie Ranks.
 
Breaking up the clan would be a big mistake.
The best part of the clan, IMHO, is that its so easy to get together with 4-8 guys pretty much anytime.

Break up the clan and you throw that right out the window.

My $0.02
 
That is a great idea!!! Since I miss out on the practice now since I am EST and work early in the morning.

I am good on Defense especially in tight spaces like Coagulation and Zanzibar you get what I mean.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Breaking up the clan would be a big mistake.
The best part of the clan, IMHO, is that its so easy to get together with 4-8 guys pretty much anytime.

Break up the clan and you throw that right out the window.

My $0.02[/quote]

Well I dont want to "Break up the clan" per'se....instead create elite teams. You can still play with anyone in the clan...but only do clan matches when at least 5-6 of your "Blue/Red/Gold Team" is there. You can take other two to be fillers...but you'll still have the main people there.

The Clan is losing more than 60% of the matches...that sucks ass. Were better than that....and imagine the traffic for the site we can generate for the site if we were always on the front page of bungie for being in the top ten.
 
I call defensive attacker/protector then. Though I did have a pretty good time escorting zewone back to base with the flag. Made myself a Master Chief shield and took out the defenders chasing after us.
 
I'm mostly good for figuring out where snipers are. ("Hey, i think there may be a sniper in the leftside hills, send Poormojo out!") Or rushing headlong into danger.

I've only had the game for a few days, so my skills aren't polished at all. They're more like charcoal briquettes.

So I volunteer to be Last Guy Chosen, Human Shield, and Sniper Bait. Until I can practice more.

Cheers,
 
[quote name='poormojo']I'm mostly good for figuring out where snipers are. ("Hey, i think there may be a sniper in the leftside hills, send Poormojo out!") Or rushing headlong into danger.

I've only had the game for a few days, so my skills aren't polished at all. They're more like charcoal briquettes.

So I volunteer to be Last Guy Chosen, Human Shield, and Sniper Bait. Until I can practice more.

Cheers,[/quote]
:rofl: I hear you man. I'm pretty darn good at littering the landscape with Red Xs as well. Just call me a scout. Don't go where I am. Or rather, where I was.
 
At this point, I'd just like to get some chance into some clan match play with my fellow clan mates.

Didn't see how I could get into a match last night, and I'd like to think that was lag-related.
 
Yeah I agree with Cheapy, do not break the clan up but dividing the practices into teams like that is what I like. I have not played in about 2 weeks, everytime I hop on noone is joinable so I end up playing WoW instead.
 
Yeah, the lag last night was ridiculous. I only played for about three minutes during that Coag game. The rest of the time I was looking at the blue screen.

Anyway, I agree with ryan about having a better strategy. Running in blindly won't accomplish anything. Usually, I grab the sniper rifle and start picking people off from mid to far range. I can be an attacker as well, just as long as I have a good dual-wield setup or a shotgun. I'm not the best vehicle driver in the world, though.
 
I tend to be OK at the 'Hog and the Scorpion and decent with the Ghost and the Banshee.

Hand me double needler and I'm doing some nasty damage. Never been beaten on Midship with 'em. Reasonably OK with the other weapons.

And sometimes, my corpses litter the landscape in places not to go. :D
 
Defensive/Protectors (Internal Defense and "Callers" [People who call out where the opposing team is attacking from]):

Im best at that
 
[quote name='jughead']zewone on coag you just need to guard the flag. haha. you are pretty good at it.[/quote]

Thanks. I like to do it too because I don't want to run all the way across the field because I'm a lazy ass. :)
 
we need to develop a system to allow people in the clan to join games. to often games are unjoinable and too long for someone to wait. what can we do to fix this?
 
I am kinda against splitting the clans up on time zones because I normally play late at night and with people from the pacific and central, I really would hate not being able to play in a clan match because I am not part of Red team. And really deciding positions and stuff like that can be done before the match even starts, but there are always going to be changes, depending on the circumstances, you may respawn and be an offensive person , but you will need to stay behind and protect the flag because there are multiple attackers approaching.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Breaking up the clan would be a big mistake.
The best part of the clan, IMHO, is that its so easy to get together with 4-8 guys pretty much anytime.

Break up the clan and you throw that right out the window.

My $0.02[/quote]

yeah, i have to agree with that as well. it's nice getting on and almost always having someone familiar (or at least not a douchebag) to play with.

i appreciate all the work and ideas you're bouncing around mookyjooky, but there's a couple problems. only about a sixth of the clan (at most) shows up to practice as it is, and splitting it up further would just make it tougher to play together at all, nevermind have serious strategical practices. i think that's something for down the line a bit, when we have less members (those who don't participate will be cut soon) and pretty much all know one another's limits at least a little bit.

for now, i think playing together with whomever you find online in team slayer or big team battle or whatever helps, just to get people communicating and making sure people are on the same page as you. people certainly have to come to terms with their own strengths and weaknesses, but as someone said, they should be doing that in-game anyhow. i do like the idea of assigning roles, but i think that's also a month or so away while we weed out the people who aren't really interested in this and get the serious players playing together more often (more practices?).

i guess i'm just trying to keep this somewhat casual, because i enjoy playing with everyone and having people to play with online whenever i get on, while starting to inject some modicum of strategy and order into our matches. i've been promoting a lot of people, and i expect them to lead their respective games and not hesitate to give orders. as i said, the member list will be trimmed very soon, and those who are never seen online (or never play with the clan) will be gone. the smaller our clan gets the more serious it will get, just by virtue of the people playing the most wanting something more out of it.

just some thoughts. what does everyone else think? maybe i'm wrong about all this...
 
[quote name='rocksolidaudio'][quote name='CheapyD']Breaking up the clan would be a big mistake.
The best part of the clan, IMHO, is that its so easy to get together with 4-8 guys pretty much anytime.

Break up the clan and you throw that right out the window.

My $0.02[/quote]

yeah, i have to agree with that as well. it's nice getting on and almost always having someone familiar (or at least not a douchebag) to play with.

i appreciate all the work and ideas you're bouncing around mookyjooky, but there's a couple problems. only about a sixth of the clan (at most) shows up to practice as it is, and splitting it up further would just make it tougher to play together at all, nevermind have serious strategical practices. i think that's something for down the line a bit, when we have less members (those who don't participate will be cut soon) and pretty much all know one another's limits at least a little bit.

for now, i think playing together with whomever you find online in team slayer or big team battle or whatever helps, just to get people communicating and making sure people are on the same page as you. people certainly have to come to terms with their own strengths and weaknesses, but as someone said, they should be doing that in-game anyhow. i do like the idea of assigning roles, but i think that's also a month or so away while we weed out the people who aren't really interested in this and get the serious players playing together more often (more practices?).

i guess i'm just trying to keep this somewhat casual, because i enjoy playing with everyone and having people to play with online whenever i get on, while starting to inject some modicum of strategy and order into our matches. i've been promoting a lot of people, and i expect them to lead their respective games and not hesitate to give orders. as i said, the member list will be trimmed very soon, and those who are never seen online (or never play with the clan) will be gone. the smaller our clan gets the more serious it will get, just by virtue of the people playing the most wanting something more out of it.

just some thoughts. what does everyone else think? maybe i'm wrong about all this...[/quote]

I can understand the idea of splitting up the clan, though if we're only getting 1/6th participation, we're not big enough for that to be a worry. Yet.

More practices to week people out isn't a bad idea, since I know I'd like to get into playing regularly, since I'm tired of playing one-on-one Slayer, and would prefer to play with my fellow CAGs, of course.

Casual play for the moment wouldn't be a bad idea, with finals for some and the holidays for just about everyone makes XMas a little hard to nail down people for practices. After the beginning of the year, I think that's a different matter entirely. Promoting people helps even out the leadership a bit and makes it easier to get into games with someone leading the helm. Trimming down the less regular people to get a more focused and smaller group is a good idea, though again, this month might not be the best time to do that, unless someone's joined in October and not played since they joined.

Working together in a group helps make us a more cohesive fighting unit and gives us a better chance and actually making some real strategy that helps us take the lead and win matches. Especially in CTF.
 
[quote name='rocksolidaudio'][quote name='CheapyD']Breaking up the clan would be a big mistake.
The best part of the clan, IMHO, is that its so easy to get together with 4-8 guys pretty much anytime.

Break up the clan and you throw that right out the window.

My $0.02[/quote]

yeah, i have to agree with that as well. it's nice getting on and almost always having someone familiar (or at least not a douchebag) to play with.

i appreciate all the work and ideas you're bouncing around mookyjooky, but there's a couple problems. only about a sixth of the clan (at most) shows up to practice as it is, and splitting it up further would just make it tougher to play together at all, nevermind have serious strategical practices. i think that's something for down the line a bit, when we have less members (those who don't participate will be cut soon) and pretty much all know one another's limits at least a little bit.

for now, i think playing together with whomever you find online in team slayer or big team battle or whatever helps, just to get people communicating and making sure people are on the same page as you. people certainly have to come to terms with their own strengths and weaknesses, but as someone said, they should be doing that in-game anyhow. i do like the idea of assigning roles, but i think that's also a month or so away while we weed out the people who aren't really interested in this and get the serious players playing together more often (more practices?).

i guess i'm just trying to keep this somewhat casual, because i enjoy playing with everyone and having people to play with online whenever i get on, while starting to inject some modicum of strategy and order into our matches. i've been promoting a lot of people, and i expect them to lead their respective games and not hesitate to give orders. as i said, the member list will be trimmed very soon, and those who are never seen online (or never play with the clan) will be gone. the smaller our clan gets the more serious it will get, just by virtue of the people playing the most wanting something more out of it.

just some thoughts. what does everyone else think? maybe i'm wrong about all this...[/quote]

I agree totally we shouldn't break up the clan.
 
I like the idea of trimming and getting some more strategy in the clan. We are a good bunch of players, but we never seem as cordinated as the higher ranked clans we play. And we are finally getting some more communication going which is great. I'm starting to become familar with the way a lot of the clan members play and I'm sure you guys are picking up on it too. As we go along we will get better as we have shown.
 
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