OFFICIAL HALO 2 CAG CLAN

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as i said, the smaller the clan the easier to manage and the more cohesive a unit we can become. the following people are on the chopping block for either never/very rarely participating or never even being seen online. if you can vouch for yourself or someone else as to why we should keep someone on, by all means do it, i'm not trying to get rid of people who earnestly want to participate. and if you're on here that just means I haven't seen you participate, we may have very different playing schedules so don't be offended and kindly let me know. by order of enrollment:

ChrisXE - ChrisStrife
LoganDX - LoganDX
onetrackmind - LawrenceArms
jovherye - Daego Sin
danh920 - danh920
prisonerac - ErrorlessChain
Ragingbull2380 - DARTH REVAN83
Daz9402 - Transformah
Duo_Maxwell - JMax71382
redline - RedlineJunkie
guyver2077 - guyver2077
Boc3phus - Boc3phus
Amc5kidz - Ath3na
bsarkis74 - bsarkis74
Millbuddah - Millbuddah
Maynard - MaynardLD50
briansee - briownsyou
-Never4ever- - Never4ever
mtimisone - Mtimisone
Squirms - Squirms126
flizmo007 - flizmo
Birbo - Birbo
jetsetradio21 - crush1nater
Milkyman - milkham
Boogerman - boogerman
AzianAsspicker - AzianAsspicker
evilpenguin9000 - evilpenguin9000
Fizzgig - Fizzgig 4000
AzN_BaLLeR - xDiStUrBeD AzNx
batman2million - batmanwannabe
Renzokuken - L2enzokuken
MrBadExample - Levitation Homz
Cracka - flavaflav2004
AJA iALAC - AJ iALAC
dutch72 - Dutch65807
cruzincontrol - dirrty
omnilink - Omnireed
scuba - scubasteve9

as i said, don't be offended if your name is on here, it just means i haven't seen you participate when i've been online. just respond in this thread if you want to be kept on.
 
i'm all over this tour idea. My GF might look at me funny, but I think it's a great idea for us to get a better idea of how to play out each map.
 
Rocksolidaudio, I played with you and company Friday night, in the big CTF that was going on.

I also plan to be on during practice this evening.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']Rocksolidaudio, I played with you and company Friday night, in the big CTF that was going on.

I also plan to be on during practice this evening.[/quote]
I dont think he put you on the list for the player who havn't partipated or he hasn't seen play.
 
I can give u guys walk thrus if ya need

Just send a message to MrMajicJeff


Also if you guys are serious try to learn the levels backwards.That is key to any FPS
 
I hopped on earlier today .. and went into matchmaking, but then I realized I would be late for work so I couldn't play. :( Maybe tomorrow. Or the next day, after my finals.
 
[quote name='murcielago77']that was a decent night of XBL, we didnt do too well after a lot of the guys left. But thats what practice is for[/quote]
Yea, can't speak for anyone else but I really need to practice. The games between the clan were good though. oh btw I'm Soulja874 on live I should have a mic in the next couple of days.
 
sorry i dropped out of that last coag game i played with you guys, my internet went down until just now. glad to see we're finally starting to win a good number of matches...
 
I really like the tour idea, too. I'm mostly a Rumble Pit guy myself, and I'm not so good with team strategies and the like. I really could use a lot of tips and stuff, so if anyone wants to help me out there I'd be willing to learn. :)
 
Couple of good games, did pretty good on kills in almost all of them, how about that land grab though last night where we were out numbered and had all of the areas for like a solid minute?!?! That was sweet.
 
Tours are an excellent idea. I think that we should focus on a couple of key areas:

- Location of key weapons.
- Popular routes in CTF and Assault maps, and their commonly used names.
- General Strategy for the level.

Knowing this type of information will greatly improve the performance of a team in a multiplayer battle. And as Joe used to tell me every weekday afternoon: "Knowing is half the battle." Go Joe!
 
[quote name='Gauss'][quote name='shrike4242']Rocksolidaudio, I played with you and company Friday night, in the big CTF that was going on.

I also plan to be on during practice this evening.[/quote]
I dont think he put you on the list for the player who havn't partipated or he hasn't seen play.[/quote]

Was just a gentle reminder. :D
 
[quote name='Azul_KoolAid'][quote name='murcielago77']that was a decent night of XBL, we didnt do too well after a lot of the guys left. But thats what practice is for[/quote]
Yea, can't speak for anyone else but I really need to practice. The games between the clan were good though. oh btw I'm Soulja874 on live I should have a mic in the next couple of days.[/quote]

You do indeed need to fix that. :lol: Much easier to work with you when we can hear you griping about the other side. :D
 
I'm also digging the tour idea. I'm sure there is some stuff I don't know about, and I'd bet I've found a few things of use as well.

Also, Elrod made an excellent point. When I was playing Halo PC with my old clan, we had names for every part of the map. If a teammate needed help, he could just say, "Help at xxx." It was far and away the easiest way to both assist other players and familiarize yourself with the map.

Assault routes are extremely important. CTF often boils down to simply getting the flag outside and then relaying it back to base, but Assault doesn't afford that luxury. If you fuck it up the first time on Assault, you're going to have a pretty hard time securing it again. That's why that first run is so crucial. We need to determine who our best carriers, protectors, and scouts, and frontliners are. These are the most important roles for Assault.

Also folks, don't feel humble about your abilities. If you really excel at something and the team doesn't seem to know, let us know. Ask for the chance, and you'll get it. Then we can see what you can do. We may have excellent flag and bomb runners who simply haven't had the oppurtunity to show their stuff.

At the same time though, don't flatter yourself. Don't try and make us believe you're an awesome sniper if you're not. Let it go to someone who can do some damage with it.

In team play, it's all about managing resources: make sure you're players are doing what they know best. If you have skillful players keeping quiet about their abilities or valued weapons in the hands of amateurs, then we aren't fully realizing our potential, and that isn't very cool.

I hope to see many of you Thursday night. If anyone wants to arrange some tours or anything, please do so and let us know. :wink:
 
[quote name='Ledhed']I hope to see many of you Thursday night. If anyone wants to arrange some tours or anything, please do so and let us know. :wink:[/quote]

That's worth the price of admission for Thursday right there. :D

I think we did well enough last night, we had a nice unbeaten streak (counting no-win stalemates) going there with the group we had last night zewone, murcielago77, myself, rocksolidaudio, JimmieMac and a few others whose names I know I'm forgetting. As the night went on, we faultered a bit when we weren't sticking to a plan, though when we did, we got back in the saddle for a while and did well.

We planned out some strategies, did some nice snatch-and-grab routines on CTF and some OK runs at Assault with JimmieMac dropping the bomb, though I think Jimmie had some good points with Assault:

1) If you don't know where the bomb is, keep some guys at the base to prevent them dropping the pickle in the barrel.
2) If you have the bomb, keep some guys with the bomb carrier, as well as some other guys keeping the other side busy, so you can drop the pickle in the barrel.
3) Make a plan for grabbing the bomb and running it where it needs to go.

I know I picked up a lot of info last night on Assault and know where some of my strengths and weaknesses are. More practice will help that out, and I am sure looking forward to Thursday.
 
Group wise I am not to keen on tours I mean to learn where stuff was on the map I just loaded up custom and walked around by myself checking stuff out, attack routes are pretty important but different approaches in the same scenario are necessary I think we should have a first plan of attack on a specific scenario and map, then a second plan I mean if we get the flag halfway out and time is going down, instead of hurling bodies at it, send 3 people to their base and grab it when it respawns. And if we mix up our attack its almost bound to work out. Now in terms of specifying a members ability to specific weapons (i.e. sniper) I would say thats debateable because I can think of a few times last night when even though I was watching the flag, I grabbed the sniper rifle to hit someone far outside the base, and that extra cover helped.
 
I agree and disagree with ZeroSupporT.

I understand what you are saying about loading up the map and learning it on your own, but there are some definate "tricks" to some levels. Also, if everyone uses the same terminology to describe locations, communication would be much more streamlined and effecient (as Ledhead pointed out).

That being said, being able to adapt on the fly is of primary importance. No strategy will be perfect, so the clan will need to change to suit the situation. Your example involving the sniper rifle illustrates this.
 
I'll start with the profiles if you don't mind
Gamertag: My Bee Itches
Strength: Medium range combat, opening the Zanzibar door, surgical with the Ghost.
Weakness: Sniping, I couldn't snipe a gimp elephant.
Overall I think I am a good support person, aka "get this guy off my back, Itches" and a decent defender.
Weapon of choice: the back of an assult rifle or rocket launcher.
 
Too tired tonight to pull in the long haul...I think there’s a definite core group of players that have consistently been playing together since launch. I'm not going to go through the entire list but I usually find myself regularly playing in a group of about six players that are on basically every night. We're beginning to gel, but there was a major clan match tonight that consisted of half regulars and half relaxed players. The game was handed to the other team on a platter because of the lack of organization. The whole CAG team ran around and couldn't believe how bad we were getting beat when it was just an organized team using the same tricks our CAG core team used the previous night. The other team was ranked four spots higher but used strategy to easily finish the game. There are a small amount of players who have a grip on some of the strategy and a large group who are very oblivious. Tours would help everyone out, but as it stands now our proficiency is across the board. When there are six to eight people in a room, our clan is just about forced to do major clan matches. It would serve everyone well to get accustomed to these large maps. If we could get eight core players against eight relaxed CAG’s I’m positive the game would look like the massacre that the clan had on coagulation tonight.


Stat Page: http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStats.aspx?panel=stats&gameid=29722505&player=ryan w
Kill Stat Page: http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStats.aspx?panel=kills&gameid=29722505&player=ryan w
Medal Page: http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStats.aspx?panel=medals&gameid=29722505&player=ryan w

...look at those pages and realize what teamwork, strategy, and understanding a map can do. Take a look at the individual stats of the other team as well, they work as a team and destroy almost everyone they go against. That team is a perfect example of what a portion of CAG could become with a more serious effort!
 
I'm tired of getting our asses kicked in major clan matches. Tomorrow for practice, can we actually practice instead of jump into clan matches. Some of us are ready for them, while others are not. We should have a couple of rooms, each with one or two "regulars" who know the maps and the clan members who should guide the other people in their room of lets say 8. We will go through tours and let people know of some tatics that will be beneficial. And after about an hour or so we the two teams meet up for some CTF/Assault. After the game we can see what we learned and what else we need to work on. I know it sounds kind of corny, but I think it might help and it would be fun to have a set team for a night for some Inner-Clan matches. Let me know what you guys think.
 
Ok ill be on 7:30 PT sharp tommorow for practice. And Zewone your ideas are great. We really do need to play against one another more often and not those damn custom games but some CTF/Assualt. I havent played any Team Objective games at all in this clan yet, eventhough we should be every practice session. So tommorow, we need as many of the regulars to report to practice as close to practice time as possible.

Also, am I considered a "regular"?
 
[quote name='murcielago77']Ok ill be on 7:30 PT sharp tommorow for practice. And Zewone your ideas are great. We really do need to play against one another more often and not those damn custom games but some CTF/Assualt. I havent played any Team Objective games at all in this clan yet, eventhough we should be every practice session. So tommorow, we need as many of the regulars to report to practice as close to practice time as possible.

Also, am I considered a "regular"?[/quote]

Yes, we need to play more CAG inter-clan matches. Even if it's as little as 4 vs 4 that's 8 guys who get to practice their skills. And no matter who wins or loses all the CAGs become better players.
 
[quote name='murcielago77']Also, am I considered a "regular"?[/quote]

:lol: Yes murc, you're on all the time. I haven't been on too much lately, but today is my last final, and I'll be on pretty much daily during the holiday break.

I have to admit, I share zewone's and ryan's frustration. None of us are angry at fellow players, we're angry at the lack of organization inherent to a clan of this size. I think we should go ahead and split up practice into some smaller, 4-6 man rooms with a couple of regulars guiding 3 or 4 relatively inexperienced players. I know it seems a bit silly (as has already been pointed out), but the only things that will help us during matches are knowledge of the maps and communication.

If any "regulars" are reading this and agree that we should go with the tour idea, then let's go ahead and start organizing the rooms. I'll start the list I suppose.

Practice Room 1
1. LedheD 01

I figure we should have at least two regulars per tour, so you can either list yourself under my room or create your own. I'll be on around 5:30 Central for at least a couple of hours. I hope to see you all there.

EDIT: Holy crap, page 49! Maybe we should lock this one up and have rock start a new thread.
 
[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='murcielago77']Also, am I considered a "regular"?[/quote]

:lol: Yes murc, you're on all the time. I haven't been on too much lately, but today is my last final, and I'll be on pretty much daily during the holiday break.

I have to admit, I share zewone's and ryan's frustration. None of us are angry at fellow players, we're angry at the lack of organization inherent to a clan of this size. I think we should go ahead and split up practice into some smaller, 4-6 man rooms with a couple of regulars guiding 3 or 4 relatively inexperienced players. I know it seems a bit silly (as has already been pointed out), but the only things that will help us during matches are knowledge of the maps and communication.

If any "regulars" are reading this and agree that we should go with the tour idea, then let's go ahead and start organizing the rooms. I'll start the list I suppose.

Practice Room 1
1. LedheD 01

I figure we should have at least two regulars per tour, so you can either list yourself under my room or create your own. I'll be on around 5:30 Central for at least a couple of hours. I hope to see you all there.

EDIT: Holy crap, page 49! Maybe we should lock this one up and have rock start a new thread.[/quote]

I suggested the tour idea in the room yesterday, and I litterally got bitchslapped. Jimmy's reasoning that our 8 people was too small to do it last night. Thats almost 10% of our clan right there, I see no reason that we could not have practiced that. But anyways, we need to practice, a lot. I have not doubt that you guys are good fighters, but there needs to be some sort of general strategy made. See you in practice, hopefully we will not get reamed today as we did get yesterday.
 
That brings up a great question to me.

Among the clan, who's considered one of the "regulars"?

From what I've seen, it's zewone, ryan, murcielago, JimmieMac, who I've seen the three times I've played in the last week, plus Rig, Azul, and a few others.
 
[quote name='sying']I suggested the tour idea in the room yesterday, and I litterally got bitchslapped. Jimmy's reasoning that our 8 people was too small to do it last night. Thats almost 10% of our clan right there, I see no reason that we could not have practiced that. But anyways, we need to practice, a lot. I have not doubt that you guys are good fighters, but there needs to be some sort of general strategy made. See you in practice, hopefully we will not get reamed today as we did get yesterday.[/quote]

Well, that certainly shouldn't be happening. No suggestion should go unconsidered. Though I can understand people being opposed to it if they didn't know it was happening in advance. That's why I was trying to make a room list for tonite's players. But if the majority really does oppose it, then we can figure out another way of handling this.

One thing is for sure though: as we stand now, we have many, many awesome players who simply don't communicate because they perhaps haven't played with us that much. As long as we all keep playing together and become accustomed to one another's strengths and weaknesses, we'll improve regardless. There are some things that can be done to expediate this process, and I hope everyone will at least consider some of the suggestions that have already been made. If you have a sugestion that hasn't already been brought up and considered, please tell us. No solution is going to make everyone happy, but I'm sure there are a few things that can be done to make the majority happy.

See you guys tonite.
 
I will be in game tonight. Hopefully right at 9:30 EST. I look forward to the practice, I know that I could use some. If we can get some of the basics down, we will improve as a group.

In the meantime, this is a link to a couple of videos (see the first post) that show a couple of cool map short cuts, hiding areas, and tricks (like relaying the flag between teammates). Some of them, I would think of as "exploits" but I think that they should be known so we can learn to defend against them.
http://ducain.org/hihforum/viewtopic.php?t=853
Some of the shortcuts are amazing (like the flag pass on Midship), but would require quite a bit of teamwork.

In other news, Bungie is starting to ban people for using the "Modem Standby" cheat! Excellent news!
http://bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=weeklyupdatedec10

Catch you guys tonight.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']That brings up a great question to me.

Among the clan, who's considered one of the "regulars"?

From what I've seen, it's zewone, ryan, murcielago, JimmieMac, who I've seen the three times I've played in the last week, plus Rig, Azul, and a few others.[/quote]

Dont forget Harmarhket....thats me!
 
I plan to be there in practice at 9:30 PM CT sharp tonight.

Part of my issues are that I'm still getting used to the multiplayer maps, though I'm doing better in that than I did the past few days.

Communicating is something we sure need to do, and I'm guilty of doing it as much as the next person, though partly because I'm not sure in what to consider "left" or "right" on the maps. I'm sure that'll come in time.

I know the people I played with on Friday night and Tuesday night, we did have some good teamwork and strategies, though last night, it didn't seem to be there, and I wish I knew what it was.

I'd like to think I wasn't too horrible, even in the games last night, though I really think that working together in the idea that zewone put forth, I think it'll help me a great deal work with my fellow clanmates.
 
I dunno....after last night, I'm feeling more and more about making at least a "CAG Elites" Clan. If cheapy will allow it, I'll make an Elites clan of 8 members. That way we only get better, instead of backtracking and going in reverse everytime someone in the clan got the game yesterday and think they deserve to be in the clan.

Oya, and when did we sign up so many cocks? I used to go online and see only respectful CAG old schoolers...now I go on a hear "Nig ger" every 5 seconds. And then 1/2 the team drives out on Warthogs by themselves and grabs a weapon and abandons it. That shit is annoying.
 
I'll be on tonight at 8pm PST.

Any tour help or tips hugely appreciated.

Newb question: whenever I look at the Clan page on XBL everyone who is online has "In pregame matchmaking, not joinable" by their names. What can I do at that point to join clan battles?
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']I dunno....after last night, I'm feeling more and more about making at least a "CAG Elites" Clan. If cheapy will allow it, I'll make an Elites clan of 8 members. That way we only get better, instead of backtracking and going in reverse everytime someone in the clan got the game yesterday and think they deserve to be in the clan.

Oya, and when did we sign up so many cocks? I used to go online and see only respectful CAG old schoolers...now I go on a hear "Nig ger" every 5 seconds. And then 1/2 the team drives out on Warthogs by themselves and grabs a weapon and abandons it. That shit is annoying.[/quote]

Who said that? Also if we had a CAG Elites than those people couldn't play clan matches with the CheapAssGamer clan and vice-versa. Also I'll be starting a room some time around 6-6:30PM PST. If one or two regulars want to join my room and 4-6 new members be my guest.
 
sorry i haven't been around in the last 24+ hours guys, my internet has been down. anyhow, i definitely agree that we need traditional practice, and fully support all of the ideas being thrown around. i'm not sure when i work until tonight, but i should be on right when practice starts (9:30 central time). also, i'll be starting a new thread for us later today, and this one will be locked, so look out for it.
 
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