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jza1218 said:
Maybe. But he still sounds like a moron in this video. Who the fuck thinks Gamestop would know anything about a demo. They don't sell demos.

And yeah, Destro, I thought about Fifa but came to the same conclusion. That might be another one in the used pile.
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Oh, no. I agree with you, lol. But people kept mentioning his name on the EA forums and in Youtube comments, and him "not having any information yet". And I was just like "who the hell is this guy???" So, I looked him up. He's got 50,000 subscribers (which isn't an obscene amount...but for a guy who only plays NHL, it's a little crazy). It does give some insight into the people we run into online. It's like he's the ringleader of all the dbags, haha. :lol:

 
Also, for Alan and Brandon...just in time for Steam Night tomorrow, apparently 7 Days To Die just had a big update and is totally different now.



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Darktower and I were talking about the whole EASHL.  At first I was saying how there was no way they would omit that from the game, but then after thinking about it some more, something popped up.  None of the places have equipment pre-order bonuses this year do they? While I personally could care a less if it is there or not, it is absolute BS if it is gone for you guys.

 
Yeah, Vulcan mentioned that yesterday too. To be honest, I haven't paid any attention to EASHL pre-order boosts for a few years because they're always so worthless anyway. Did they do them last year? Or were all the bonuses HUT related?

Either way, it's still another "this looks suspicious" example...and at this point, there's way more evidence for EASHL not being in the game than there is for it being in the game.

A point I did think of this morning in response to the "Well, why haven't they said anything to deny it?" question...is if (as Vulcan and striker have alluded to) they have something "better" up their sleeves. If EA had improved version of EASHL and GM Connected, they wouldn't necessarily care if people were getting upset about the possibility of them not being in the game because they would know that on their own time, they can say "No, EASHL and GM Connected aren't in the game...but THIS is!" They also wouldn't want to tip their hand early if this is the case (though...less than a month out, I think you can hardly call this "early").

The back of the box though...makes the situation read a bit differently. Now, you could really conspiracy theorize and say that EA intentionally put that box art out there to create this frenzy, and make their reveal of the new game modes an even bigger deal. But...this is EA we're talking about. Are they really going to make the effort to "punk" their customers like that? IF that ends up being the case, then good for them. They definitely got me. But that could also just be an overly optimistic wish at this point.

Really hope that "next week" discussion on game modes happens on Monday, haha.

 
n8rockerasu said:
God dammit, man. Madden better just be unbelievable, or my 3 reasons for buying a next gen console will be shit (granted...they were all EA games, so I guess I should have known...but god damn, man).
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So there is no hope for the CAGFC? I figured the idea was on life support, but maybe they'll put the game in the EA Access vault in a few months and people will start playing it.
 
Outlaw1986 said:
Why hide it anyway? Not like they have any competition in the NHL game market.
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Why hide that EASHL isn't in the game? Because many people will not buy the game knowing that. I mean, yeah...they're going to find out eventually anyway. But waiting this close to launch gives people less time to rage, gives reviewers less time to find out, etc.

I don't know. I don't understand the logic of taking it out in the first place. The only reasoning I can think of is that they "had to" due to some incompatibility with the new physics. But then people have said "well, they had 2 years to figure it out". And yeah...I agree, lol. We'll find out soon enough.

Matt Young said:
So there is no hope for the CAGFC? I figured the idea was on life support, but maybe they'll put the game in the EA Access vault in a few months and people will start playing it.
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The only person who ever officially "signed up" (ie. posted their fighter info)....was me, lol. And the game has been out for 2 months now (so, by video game standards...it's "old"). What does that tell you?

 
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I just needed closure so I can begin to mourn. I guess we only would have had 4 fighters anyway- you, Gary, Fearia, and myself. Maybe Brandon... I can't remember if he got the game. Still not enough for a league.
 
I don't got no choice but to get it since I traded my 360 in anyway. So count me in still if u guys do a gm connected league. :)
 
Outlaw1986 said:
I don't got no choice but to get it since I traded my 360 in anyway. So count me in still if u guys do a gm connected league. :)
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jza1218 said:
You're assuming that GM connected made it in too lol.
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Yeah, at this point, EA needs to sell me on the game. IF EASHL isn't in the game...what's so great about the other modes that makes it worth buying (has GM Connected been improved at all)? IF EASHL and GM Connected aren't in the game...why are they charging $60 for the game at all? I'm not going to buy HUT 15. So, whatever EA has planned for their game modes presentation, they better bring their A game.

 
n8rockerasu said:
Yeah, at this point, EA needs to sell me on the game. IF EASHL isn't in the game...what's so great about the other modes that makes it worth buying (has GM Connected been improved at all)? IF EASHL and GM Connected aren't in the game...why are they charging $60 for the game at all? I'm not going to buy HUT 15. So, whatever EA has planned for their game modes presentation, they better bring their A game.
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As opposed to their EA game?

 
n8rockerasu said:
Yeah, Vulcan mentioned that yesterday too. To be honest, I haven't paid any attention to EASHL pre-order boosts for a few years because they're always so worthless anyway. Did they do them last year? Or were all the bonuses HUT related?
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Yea, GS had HUT and Boost Equipment last year, and I think BB did too.

As much as I love HUT, the fact that the other stuff got left out in itself makes me hesitant about the game as a whole. Unless they were omitted for something better, or a better overall game out of the gate. I guess I'll just wait for the EA Access early play to decide what to do with my pre-order.

 
Problem is so many conflicting videos and screenshots. there is no live the life achievements on there where people have said that there were at gamescoms. So its hard to know what to believe at this point.

 
On reddit someone posted a video from a gaming convention in Finland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUmUwsAL-GQ

Sorry if thats old, it was new to me. Its off camera, and the play isn't good at all, but you get a good look at actual gameplay.

 
Vulcan2422 said:
Lastly, great article,http://www.operationsports.com/features/1939/the-medium-is-the-message-eashl-transparency-and-the-core-gamer/
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Yeah, that is a good article. I definitely agree that's the way gaming SHOULD work. The problem is, with EA having the only hockey game in town, it makes people a lot quicker to "come crawling back". I mean, even as frustrated as I am with it...if they end up announcing that EASHL and GM Connected are in the game, i'm not going to say "Well...you still had bad communication and poor customer service...so I'm going to punish myself by not playing this game..." Most people have short memories and will just be happy that the game isn't ruined.

DarkTower80 said:
There is a glimmer of hope for you Rift guys.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/08/18/notch-is-over-being-upset-minecraft-on-oculus-rift-may-happen-after-all/
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Haha, shocking. I knew that was a knee jerk reaction. Like I've said though, really great Rift support was modded in over a year ago. An official version is hardly needed.

jza1218 said:
Looks life no gm connected either. Seriously, why bother?
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Yeah, somehow that became part of the rumor too. I'm not sure why. I don't know if it's because of the "1-2 player" co-op listing on the box or what. I mean, I get that in year's past you could play GM Connected like OTP and have multiple guys on the same team. But even if they just removed that feature and made it where each person controlled a team, wouldn't that fit the 1-2 player guideline? I don't know what caused people to speculate that GM Connected is gone too.

 
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n8rockerasu said:
Yeah, that is a good article. I definitely agree that's the way gaming SHOULD work. The problem is, with EA having the only hockey game in town, it makes people a lot quicker to "come crawling back". I mean, even as frustrated as I am with it...if they end up announcing that EASHL and GM Connected are in the game, i'm not going to say "Well...you still had bad communication and poor customer service...so I'm going to punish myself by not playing this game..." Most people have short memories and will just be happy that the game isn't ruined.

Haha, shocking. I knew that was a knee jerk reaction. Like I've said though, really great Rift support was modded in over a year ago. An official version is hardly needed.

Yeah, somehow that became part of the rumor too. I'm not sure why. I don't know if it's because of the "1-2 player" co-op listing on the box or what. I mean, I get that in year's past you could play GM Connected like OTP and have multiple guys on the same team. But even if they just removed that feature and made it where each person controlled a team, wouldn't that fit the 1-2 player guideline? I don't know what caused people to speculate that GM Connected is gone too.
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I'm thinking no GM connected because of the lack of achievements associated with that mode.

 
jza1218 said:
I'm thinking no GM connected because of the lack of achievements associated with that mode.
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Hmm...if it's just based on the achievement list, then that's not incredibly damning. LIke Gary said, several different lists have been floating around.

Overall though, it is silly that we're 3 weeks out and have no clue what modes are in the game. Whatever is being taken out, left in, improved, etc. they should have said something by now. If they're proud of the game they made, they should be promoting it. Not hiding it.

 
n8rockerasu said:
Hmm...if it's just based on the achievement list, then that's not incredibly damning. LIke Gary said, several different lists have been floating around.

Overall though, it is silly that we're 3 weeks out and have no clue what modes are in the game. Whatever is being taken out, left in, improved, etc. they should have said something by now. If they're proud of the game they made, they should be promoting it. Not hiding it.
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I haven't seen any achievement list for the x1 version until yesterday. Also, the live the life achievements are labeled be a pro, just like last year.

At this point I'm convinced there's no eashl or gm connected in next gen versions of the game. I'm just awaiting confirmation so I can cancel my pre-order.
 
The one redeeming thing about no GMC mode is that EA might put back in the old season mode that was there before we had GMC, and that would mean running seasons with less than 82 games. Not a good tradeoff, but hey.
 
moojuice said:
The one redeeming thing about no GMC mode is that EA might put back in the old season mode that was there before we had GMC, and that would mean running seasons with less than 82 games. Not a good tradeoff, but hey.
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That is true...assuming EA will allow us to have any online play mode other than HUT, lol. :lol: What a huge failure it would be though to have 2 years to work on something and have to go back to the barebones stuff you had before. I mean, this could almost be an NBA Elite 11 situation where they should have postponed it another year.

Watch, their game modes presentation will only last 45 seconds because there just won't be that much to talk about, haha.

In other news, Michael and Gavin from RoosterTeeth have the worst playthrough of Five Nights at Freddy's on the entire internet. In addition to being gigantic pussies, they also can't seem to figure out how the game works, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWEoCf2PKI

 
Yet everybody that has play tested it has said they were playing EASHL only. But you know those people always work for EEa. Why can't they just reveal?
 
I'm truly tempted to us 15 if there is no EASHL. Just to see how mu b fun. The 12 player physics are. Pkus, everybody starts off new and I'd like to see how the vision AI. My bad 15 for the 360 could be like our 12 use to be.
 
I dunno if I want to give EA my money when it comes to NHL this year. I mean, if we're all gonna go the 360 route if there's no EASHL on X1, then sure. But I'd rather just go with 14 and save the money.

 
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Yet everybody that has play tested it has said they were playing EASHL only. But you know those people always work for EEa. Why can't they just reveal?
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Well, that's a lie because the servers wouldn't be up anyway. Maybe they mean they were playing Be A Pro/Live The Life. Some people just call it all the same thing.

Vulcan2422 said:
I'm truly tempted to us 15 if there is no EASHL. Just to see how mu b fun. The 12 player physics are. Pkus, everybody starts off new and I'd like to see how the vision AI. My bad 15 for the 360 could be like our 12 use to be.
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The 360 version won't have 12 player physics or Vision AI. If you look at the feature list for the 360 version on EA's website, the only features it lists are "multiplayer collisions" (ie. same as 14) and new commentary. Everything else is XB1/PS4 only.

http://www.easports.com/nhl/features/gen3

 
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jza1218 said:
I dunno if I want to give EA my money when it comes to NHL this year. I mean, if we're all gonna go the 360 route if there's no EASHL on X1, then sure. But I'd rather just go with 14 and save the money.
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Same...I'd rather just play 14 for EASHL and buy 15 used on X1 a month after launch to experience the new stuff. If there's no EASHL/GM Connected, in my opinion, that's the best thing you could do to make the best of a shitty situation.

 
http://www.twitch.tv/tsn

The chat for the stream EA is supposed to have of NHL players playing 15 is going nuts. And of course EA has started late. Can't wait for the chat to be shut off.

 
I'll be th test subject for 15 on 360. Figured why not with some extra cash. 

This is also just so great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAbks6ClB3o

 
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I hope they got such poor sales from this that the bord goes, fuck Rammer. Move on. This team is horrendous. 2 YEARS, for what? Hurricane cloth physics? fuck you Vancover EA and fuck you Rammer. I hope you all lose the franchise and have somebody else to take over. Because at this point, a new team is needed. 

 
So they are going to patch in OTP but not EASHL. Since I didn't buy NHL 14 I actually forget which is which. OTP is just you picking a player on an NHL team? Or is it still drop ins as yourself. I'm pretty sure it's not if I remember correctly

Thinking more about it I'm very confused. How was EA able to get last years FIFA next gen to be the same as the current gen version. But couldn't get NHL done with an extra year?
 
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Yeah, I'm sorry...but there's no excuse. The team is smaller than the FIFA or Madden teams...ok, then stop wasting so much time making cute videos and focusing on stupid things like flapping jerseys, "breathing fans", etc. We've accused them in year's past of focusing on fluff stuff (goalie fights, glass breaking, etc)...but this is insane. They sure found a way to get HUT in there.

It is UNREAL that there will be NO option for an online league at all. This has been a feature since what...the PS2 days? The only online modes are HUT and regular freaking versus? Pathetic. Seriously, every NHL fan needs to boycott the damn game. If EA doesn't see a huge dropoff in sales numbers, they won't know anything is wrong. Somebody needs to answer for this with their job. Two years of development and this is all they have to show for it...

It's crazy, once again, I feel like freaking Miss Cleo with predicting the demise of this series. All over the internet, you get asshats talking about how NHL 13 and NHL 14 were the best the game has ever been. When in reality, they've been making it less and less fun every year. Just looking back at the little things...remember when the AI would pass you the puck and take shots without having to slam on buttons? Remember when you could press the RT and get rid of the puck immediately, instead of having that stupid delay? It just gets a little worse every year.

Seriously, the bravado to tell people "Well...you can't play on a team...AND you can't play in a league...but please give us $60!" If they wanted to show any good will at all or try to make the customers understanding that they just ran out of time/didn't have the resources to get those modes in the game, the game should cost $40. This just seems like another example of EA trying to test their limits. If people will pay $60 for less game, you'll see them doing it every year. Time to vote with your wallets, folks.

I'm also encouraging everyone to unlike the EA NHL Facebook page/unfollow them on Twitter. They need to see a drop in numbers everywhere.

 
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Here's the Q&A about it on the EA Forums.

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/10149094.page

I can't even begin to buy the nonsense that figuring out 6v6 online gameplay was "too challenging" for them. FIFA has it for one...and look at all the freaking FPS games that support way more players than that. If it was that much trouble for them, then they just suck at their jobs. So everybody damn else could figure it out...but it was just too complicated for EA Vancouver...

 
Yeah I gotta find a game to buy in it's place. This sucks hard as I was looking forward to not leaving my couch while on vacation the week it comes out.
 
Wow....I love this question and response too.


Is GM connected in future plans of ps4 and xbox one versions? And is there any way to release some sort of club patch? Otp is fun, except for having to join lobbies every game and hope all your friends get in
The future of GM Connected is TBD.
When we look at the data of how many people are actually playing the mode, it is VERY small relative to our other modes.
One of the things that we need to be careful of moving forward is to not spread ourselves too thin.
On G3, we have a lot of modes that get minimal use.
Maintaining these modes year on year (even if we don't add any new features) is very costly and it takes away from us working on other features in the more played modes which is why I say that the future is TBD based on current usage.
When we first put GMC in, it was a highly requested mode from our fans but that hasn't translated into the usage we expected.
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Soooo...because they did a shitty job creating GM Connected, with horrendous load times, and essentially no flexibility, they decided the game mode wasn't worth having. It's mind blowing how out of touch they are.

 
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At least I only did a month of EA Access, so I'll get to play it for a whole six hours instead of buying it. 

I'd consider getting 15 if they did some sort of bundle/discount for both versions or made the next-gen cheaper, but we all know they won't.

 
Yeah, they're basically admitting now that they intentionally took out game modes that had "low numbers". They're claiming the team was spread too thin, and not all game modes were utilized. But, you know...flapping jerseys...living crowd...

 
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Rammer is actually answering the questions in the Q&A. I posted this (part of me just wanted to post it here in case they just delete it and ban me, lol).

I want to respond to this response because I'm sorry, but this just illustrates how lost and out of touch you guys are.

Is GM connected in future plans of ps4 and xbox one versions? And is there any way to release some sort of club patch? Otp is fun, except for having to join lobbies every game and hope all your friends get in


The future of GM Connected is TBD.
When we look at the data of how many people are actually playing the mode, it is VERY small relative to our other modes.
One of the things that we need to be careful of moving forward is to not spread ourselves too thin.
On G3, we have a lot of modes that get minimal use.
Maintaining these modes year on year (even if we don't add any new features) is very costly and it takes away from us working on other features in the more played modes which is why I say that the future is TBD based on current usage.
When we first put GMC in, it was a highly requested mode from our fans but that hasn't translated into the usage we expected.
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Is this what you guys really think?

So, you guys expected more people to play GMC, since...after all, we did request it. Oh, you mean the same GMC that featured horrendously long load times? The same GMC that never had an option to play less than an 82 game season? I'm sorry, but GMC was never completed to a reasonable level that gamers could get any real use out of it.

In a mode where the entire purpose is to play multiple seasons, how could you possibly expect people to get through 82 games plus playoffs? Seriously, do the math. Even just playing 2 seasons...taking 5.5 months per season means you'd have to play 5 games per week...every single week...for 11 months. I guess you better not have a full league because good luck coordinating schedules with 4-5 different opponents week after week after week. Did you guys even think about that?

Oh, right...you can sim games. I forgot. Ok, so instead of playing 82 games, you could do 41. That means you could play 4 seasons in the same amount of time...OR you could slow the pace a little bit. Well, that's not bad. Oh, except the only catch is you have zero control over 50% of your games, so the people who have "the good teams" get free wins, while everybody else is at the CPU's mercy.

Yeah, I totally don't understand why GMC wasn't more popular... But don't worry. Abandoning it is much better than recognizing its shortcomings and fixing them.
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Eagerly awaiting my ban. Damn...I should have signed it "Love, Gary Russell" :lol:

 
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n8rockerasu said:
Yeah, they're basically admitting now that they intentionally took out game modes that had "low numbers". They're claiming the team was spread too thin, and not all game modes were utilized. But, you know...flapping jerseys...living crowd...
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But don't worry, they didn't release NHL 14 on X1 because they wanted to take the extra time to make a proper next-gen game lol.

 
Yup...Ramjagbama skipped right past my comment. What a fucking dick. "Oh, we're so interested in community feedback to build a better hockey experience...assuming of course that you're fellating us and telling us what a great job we're doing!" God, I'd like to punch that guy in the throat.

 
jza1218 said:
But don't worry, they didn't release NHL 14 on X1 because they wanted to take the extra time to make a proper next-gen game lol.
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This is my biggest issue. They had basically 30 months to work on the game, unless they didn't start at all until after the completion of last gen '14. But even with that, game modes are what suffered? EASHL is easily the most important mode. There's no way their "numbers of usage" didn't let them know. "Hey we need this fuckin' mode done above anything else."

I'm seriously pissed off just because of how much I enjoy the fun and flexibility of a 20 minute drop in game. It's one of the few games I can listen to music while playing. It just straight up sucks. I didn't even imagine until yesterday coming back into this thread that this could even be a possibility. It's mind blowing.
 
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