OIL JUST HIT 70.90 PER BARREL unleaded gas UP 20% again 2.88 OUT OF HAND

[quote name='onetrackmind']the man makes a point, our employers are good at taking away and giving back less and we never do anything about it.[/QUOTE]
exactly. if slidecage goes to his boss and demands a 30% raise or hes leaving, hes leaving (he might be able to swing a lesser raise, but 30%, no way) there will be someone doing his job within a week, most likely being paid even less than he was. i dont understand why there are so few unions in workplaces other than manual labor.
 
[quote name='punqsux']exactly. if slidecage goes to his boss and demands a 30% raise or hes leaving, hes leaving (he might be able to swing a lesser raise, but 30%, no way) there will be someone doing his job within a week, most likely being paid even less than he was. i dont understand why there are so few unions in workplaces other than manual labor.[/QUOTE]

You basically hit the nail right on the head. At my job i only get health insurance... it used to be really good health coverage when i first started and then around christmas last year they said they were making less money and couldnt afford the healthcare so we got the bottom of the barrel health coverage instead. I dont get dental or vision either.

Same time last year no one got a raise "because we didnt make enough money this year" so what do they go and do? Buy a new $50k company car... thats pretty fucking ironic.

The thing with unions is companies are totally against them and if you are caught trying to form one you will get fired. They wont fire you for starting a union because thats illegal but they will fire you over something else you've done. They can find ways toi get rid of you.
 
[quote name='punqsux']exactly. if slidecage goes to his boss and demands a 30% raise or hes leaving, hes leaving (he might be able to swing a lesser raise, but 30%, no way) there will be someone doing his job within a week, most likely being paid even less than he was. i dont understand why there are so few unions in workplaces other than manual labor.[/QUOTE]

Why is the employers fault that gas prices are up 30%?

Seems like blindly lashing out at whomever handles the money and whomever classifies as "The Man", in this case.

Most workers' unions abuse the system now-a-days, anyway. I don't like the idea of a hunk of what I earn being taken away from my check to be given to somebody who has been there longer than me, but does less, as they have no fear of being fired, as they are in the union.
 
Last night saw gas between 2.89 and 2.99. Suburbs of southeastern michigan. What really sucks about living here is that there is literally no public transportation. You have to drive everywhere. Up about 30-40 cents since monday. Whats great are the price gougers charging like 3.35 a gallon. If gas prices stay this way it is going to change the way America functions.
 
[quote name='Sulik2']Last night saw gas between 2.89 and 2.99. Suburbs of southeastern michigan. What really sucks about living here is that there is literally no public transportation. You have to drive everywhere. Up about 30-40 cents since monday. Whats great are the price gougers charging like 3.35 a gallon. If gas prices stay this way it is going to change the way America functions.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. This state sucks...
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']The thing with unions is companies are totally against them and if you are caught trying to form one you will get fired. They wont fire you for starting a union because thats illegal but they will fire you over something else you've done. They can find ways toi get rid of you.[/QUOTE]

i believe forming a union can get you fired if the company has you sign an agreement not to when hiring you (i could be wrong but this is my understanding) problem is people are fine with this, people want change as long as the transition dosent effect their lives negativley. add to that an entire society of people who are conditioned to keep quiet, not ask questions and that your job defines you as a person.
 
[quote name='Brak']Why is the employers fault that gas prices are up 30%?

Seems like blindly lashing out at whomever handles the money and whomever classifies as "The Man", in this case.

Most workers' unions abuse the system now-a-days, anyway. I don't like the idea of a hunk of what I earn being taken away from my check to be given to somebody who has been there longer than me, but does less, as they have no fear of being fired, as they are in the union.[/QUOTE]
its not the employers "fault" but the cost slidecage is incuring is directly linked to the employer because its a cost of operation (in this case, delivering papers)

i agree with you on the unions that are around, i was more talking about the ideal of a union rather than the ones that have been around for a while now, lets face it, the longer something is around, the lazier and more corrupt it gets.
 
[quote name='punqsux']i believe forming a union can get you fired if the company has you sign an agreement not to when hiring you (i could be wrong but this is my understanding) problem is people are fine with this, people want change as long as the transition dosent effect their lives negativley. add to that an entire society of people who are conditioned to keep quiet, not ask questions and that your job defines you as a person.[/QUOTE]

you could be right about the union thing. As for everything else you said... i have nothing else to add to it. You are 100% correct with everything you said.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']you could be right about the union thing. As for everything else you said... i have nothing else to add to it. You are 100% correct with everything you said.[/QUOTE]
then i bid you a good morning, and have a good day.
 
My tank has been on E since Monday.

I've been trying to come up with ways to beat the system... and I have found a couple, actually.

Here's a tip:
You know when there's that one gas station in your town that has the lowest priced gas in the tri-state area... yet every local news station on the planet reports about it, so there are lines of hillbillies for miles? Well, if one of those days happen, and if the pumps take credit or debit, stop by that station after hours (assuming that they're not 24/7). Sometimes (most times, really) the clerk forgets to turn the pumps off -- now, you need the clerk to start the pump up if you're paying inside, but if you pay with credit/debit, you don't need them to. And if the gas price is the same as what it was earlier, you can get the gas for that price.

My friend and I did this at 3 AM one morning at a Kroger Grocery gas station. The gas was 30 cents cheaper than all the stations during the time they were open -- but was 50 - 60 cents cheaper when we filled up (the night of the sale).

Another thing I do is write down an extra hour on my time card. It takes me twenty minutes to drive to and from, so I include that in my time.

[quote name='punqsux']i agree with you on the unions that are around, i was more talking about the ideal of a union rather than the ones that have been around for a while now, lets face it, the longer something is around, the lazier and more corrupt it gets.[/QUOTE]

I see what'chu sayin'.
 
[quote name='Brak']Why is the employers fault that gas prices are up 30%?

Seems like blindly lashing out at whomever handles the money and whomever classifies as "The Man", in this case.

Most workers' unions abuse the system now-a-days, anyway. I don't like the idea of a hunk of what I earn being taken away from my check to be given to somebody who has been there longer than me, but does less, as they have no fear of being fired, as they are in the union.[/QUOTE]

So you don't want other people to do better? Even if, by virtue of unionization, you are doing better too? The hell is the matter with that?

Union *managers* can be exploitative, but that's why Marx was brilliant (but I digress). For those people who can't see the forest for the trees, then this argument is typically what happens in a conversation over the benefit/risk of unionization.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So you don't want other people to do better? Even if, by virtue of unionization, you are doing better too? The hell is the matter with that?

Union *managers* can be exploitative, but that's why Marx was brilliant (but I digress). For those people who can't see the forest for the trees, then this argument is typically what happens in a conversation over the benefit/risk of unionization.[/QUOTE]

I've made a choice not to work anywhere that requires joining a union.

There's a lot of good to be said about the union (in general), and a lot of bad to be said about the union (in general). Who does it really benefit? The workers or the people on top? And you or I can't answer that. Fundamentally, it's supposed to benefit the worker -- but does it do so in every case? No.
 
[quote name='Brak']
Another thing I do is write down an extra hour on my time card. It takes me twenty minutes to drive to and from, so I include that in my time.
[/QUOTE]
im not giving you a hard time, but you say slidecages gas isnt the employers responsibility, but your time in transit is? kinda ironic, dont you think? ;)
 
[quote name='punqsux']im not giving you a hard time, but you say slidecages gas isnt the employers responsibility, but your time in transit is? kinda ironic, dont you think? ;)[/QUOTE]

No. This is diff'rent. I hate my job.
 
[quote name='Brak']I've made a choice not to work anywhere that requires joining a union.

There's a lot of good to be said about the union (in general), and a lot of bad to be said about the union (in general). Who does it really benefit? The workers or the people on top? And you or I can't answer that. Fundamentally, it's supposed to benefit the worker -- but does it do so in every case? No.[/QUOTE]

The question is: are you better off under unions, or fending for yourself? I see no reason why the latter could ever be the case (save for the self-employed, but that's just redundant).

I'm curious how you think that, in a given job (let's say ironworkers, since I'm feeling a manly sense of hungover today), how would being a union member work to my disasvantage compared to simply being a non-union ironworker?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm curious how you think that, in a given job (let's say ironworkers, since I'm feeling a manly sense of hungover today), how would being a union member work to my disasvantage compared to simply being a non-union ironworker?[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's a disadvantage in this case. I mean, I wasn't speaking in absolutes; black & white. This is a field where a union is important for health, safety and, I imagine, pay reasons. If I were a family man and died at work, I'd sure hope my wife and kids were taken care of. And I'm sure that those unions do a good job of making sure there'd be no work relatated fatalities.

When I say most (which, looking back, more than likely is an over-statement), I'm thinking of unions such as retail, entertainment and the like. With retail, most employees don't see the effects of the union -- except for the void on their paychecks, going to the bitter 70 year-old greeter who doesn't even do his simple-ass money job. If the retail union takes such good care of people, why is that 70 year-old greeter working for his medication?

And studying up on film, entertainment unions are a fucking sham and a burden.
 
just checked a lot of place in fort wayne

IF YOU SEE 3.20 BUY IT cause its 3.29 everyplace else



Unleaded gas up 2.66 wholesale price so EXPECT another jump tomorrow.
 
[quote name='Brak']Why is the employers fault that gas prices are up 30%?

Seems like blindly lashing out at whomever handles the money and whomever classifies as "The Man", in this case.

Most workers' unions abuse the system now-a-days, anyway. I don't like the idea of a hunk of what I earn being taken away from my check to be given to somebody who has been there longer than me, but does less, as they have no fear of being fired, as they are in the union.[/QUOTE]


The point im making is We havent gotten an increase in pay in over 8 years. Im getting paid the same amount to use my car when gas was under a buck. There is a rumor going around they was thinking about jacking up the paper 3 cents to an even 30 cent home delivery. BUT GET AHOLD OF THIS

that 3 cent increase 2.5 would go to the company and .5 of a cent would go to the worker. They say they dont have money to increase our Subcity LET they are spending 70 million dollars on a new Building with a new printing press.
 
[quote name='slidecage']they are spending 70 million dollars on a new Building with a new printing press.[/QUOTE]
not that i dont sympathize with your problem, but without a proper working press, you dont have a job. things have to be replaced sometime.
 
Don't know if anyone gave CA prices in the first 14 pages (didn't read 'em all), but I'm in San Diego and the CHEAP stuff went up to $2.93 yesterday (was $2.84 in the morning). And that's at a station that isn't particularly insane for prices, probably about average around here. If you go to a more expensive area of town, like Mission Valley where gas prices tend to be $0.15-$0.20 more than they are by me, I'd guess the cheap gas is over $3.
 
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[quote name='The Successful Dropout']i just hope that before i die, i can pull over and piss in my vehicle as an alternative to gas[/QUOTE]

:lol:

I guess that is better than farting into a tube while you are driving to power the car :)
 
You guys do realize that because of Katrina there many people hurt, or even dead? Thousands have lost their homes, and thousands more have no clue when they we will be able to return home. There is no power, no telephones, and in New Orleans, the water continues to rise. Quit worrying about rising gas prices, at least for the time being. There are bigger problems in this world.
 
[quote name='savestheday888']You guys do realize that because of Katrina there many people hurt, or even dead? Thousands have lost their homes, and thousands more have no clue when they we will be able to return home. There is no power, no telephones, and in New Orleans, the water continues to rise. Quit worrying about rising gas prices, at least for the time being. There are bigger problems in this world.[/QUOTE]

There's a Katrina thread.

And there is a gas thread.
 
It's around $2.50 a gallon here (Montgomery AL area). I hope people realize that 1/3 of gas prices (roughly) are taxes. I just know that a hike is coming with the offshore drilling rigs off of the Gulf Coast being damaged by the hurricane. One even slammed into a bridge down in Mobile.

Uncle Sam isn't going to let go of that tax revenue very easily...
 
[quote name='savestheday888']You guys do realize that because of Katrina there many people hurt, or even dead? Thousands have lost their homes, and thousands more have no clue when they we will be able to return home. There is no power, no telephones, and in New Orleans, the water continues to rise. Quit worrying about rising gas prices, at least for the time being. There are bigger problems in this world.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
 
[quote name='punqsux']not that i dont sympathize with your problem, but without a proper working press, you dont have a job. things have to be replaced sometime.[/QUOTE]

they have one that works fine, they just want a better one
 
[quote name='savestheday888']You guys do realize that because of Katrina there many people hurt, or even dead? Thousands have lost their homes, and thousands more have no clue when they we will be able to return home. There is no power, no telephones, and in New Orleans, the water continues to rise. Quit worrying about rising gas prices, at least for the time being. There are bigger problems in this world.[/QUOTE]


There are even bigger problems in this world when corporations use tragedies to spike up their already record profits.
 
I just drove out to buy dog food, and passed 4 gas stations to get to the store I go to (I'm a Eukanuba snob, or, rather, my dog is; anyone who buys this stuff knows that it's somewhat hard to find in grocery stores and the like, thus my passing 4 gas stations to get to the store that carries it).

2 of them had $3.09; I filled up on Sunday evening, and I'm going to see if I can make it two weeks without refilling (luckily, it is possible for me).

The other 2 had taken their prices down; I guess they're either lazy (and don't want to continuously change them), or they prefer the element of surprise (you don't know the price until you pull up to the pump and get out).

I think their ought to be a $10.00 surcharge on all SUV fillups; if you're enough of a fucking piece of asshole selfish wasteful shit to own one of these needless behemoths, then fuck you, you can pay for your largesse, asshole.
 
[quote name='xzafixz']There are even bigger problems in this world when corporations use tragedies to spike up their already record profits.[/QUOTE]

You've got to be kidding?! 25% of our oil comes from the Gulf Coast. Prices were bound to go up higher due to the businesses shutting down for the hurricane.
 
[quote name='punqsux']i dont think he's comprehending that this is totally forseen and most people just suck it up and bitch about it, not make it out to be the end of the world.

seriously guys, this sucks, but its only fucking money, if you dont like it, drive less (im sure all of us waste a ton of gas on deals that dont pan out fully) get a vespa, a bike, or *gasp* walk places (obviously this might be harder for some than others, so dont reply with "theres nothing within 20 miles of my house" because i dont care ^^) but anyone spazzing over this, just chill the fuck down, like it wouldnt have happened eventully anyways?[/QUOTE]


I understand the rise in oil, I was just talking about the fact that the topic title as it is written is hard to understand.

I have had an F-150 for 2 years and I only have 12,000 miles on it. I usually only drive when I have to. The oil prices don't bother me much yet because I don't have a lot of extra unnecessary expenses. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't have a cell phone. The only extras I really have is the internet, my phone, and Xbox Live.

I will say this, I hope that the government (ALL PARTS) don't wait until oil is gone before they get serious about finding new energy sources. They should have been looking into it 10 years ago.
 
[quote name='savestheday888']You've got to be kidding?! 25% of our oil comes from the Gulf Coast. Prices were bound to go up higher due to the businesses shutting down for the hurricane.[/QUOTE]


The hurricane hit in the last 3 days, there is no way the price of gas went up 50 cents in 3 days due to the natural shutting down of businesses in the south. This was a pre-determened price raise.
 
[quote name='xzafixz']The hurricane hit in the last 3 days, there is no way the price of gas went up 50 cents in 3 days due to the natural shutting down of businesses in the south. This was a pre-determened price raise.[/QUOTE]

Wow.
 
[quote name='savestheday888']You guys do realize that because of Katrina there many people hurt, or even dead? Thousands have lost their homes, and thousands more have no clue when they we will be able to return home. There is no power, no telephones, and in New Orleans, the water continues to rise. Quit worrying about rising gas prices, at least for the time being. There are bigger problems in this world.[/QUOTE]

I think Kittie already pointed out what I was going to say, but let me add something.

There are bigger problems than New Orleans. A tsunami hit and devastated thousands; millions of lives over in Asia. So if your perogative is pointing out the vanity of our concerns, look to your own, because if you wanted to start with the 'bigger' problems you'd get off the internet and buy a plane ticket to Indonesia.

We all do what we can with what time, our current financial situation, or life allows us to do. Just because I complain about and discuss oil prices doesn't mean I'm apathetic to the victims or completely out of touch with what is going on.
 
[quote name='xzafixz']The hurricane hit in the last 3 days, there is no way the price of gas went up 50 cents in 3 days due to the natural shutting down of businesses in the south. This was a pre-determened price raise.[/QUOTE]

It certainly is a factor. A major one.
 
[quote name='SkyGheNe']I think Kittie already pointed out what I was going to say, but let me add something.

There are bigger problems than New Orleans. A tsunami hit and devastated thousands; millions of lives over in Asia. So if your perogative is pointing out the vanity of our concerns, look to your own, because if you wanted to start with the 'bigger' problems you'd get off the internet and buy a plane ticket to Indonesia.[/QUOTE]

If it makes you feel any better, I've donated money to tsunami relief. Plus, this is a disaster, within the United States, which has impacted our gasoline prices. The point I was trying to make was that we shouldn't complain about the gas prices when there are obvious, and saddening reasons as to why they have risen sharply in the past few days. Buy a plane ticket to Indonesia? Don't be so ignorant. If we go by your logic, then perhaps everyone else in the world should have bought a plane ticket to New York after 9-11.
 
i feel sorry for those people dont there , but i think some gas stations are just using this to jack up prices. Also wouldnt you expect the price of food down there to go up BIG TIME since they have no power what means New food will have to be dropped every day since there is no way to keep it cold. ALso what are the chances of another Storm hitting there anytime soon. is there anything building off the coast..

last night on tv it showed people breaking into stores and few people were taking tvs. Yea i want a water soaked TV boy that is going to be fun the first time they plug that into a wall...
 
[quote name='xzafixz']The hurricane hit in the last 3 days, there is no way the price of gas went up 50 cents in 3 days due to the natural shutting down of businesses in the south. This was a pre-determened price raise.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure oil execs and everyone else just created this storm as an excuse to "pre-determine" the price raises right? Maybe the storms are just a media coverup and oil company plot to drive up gas prices. They don't really exist and this is all staged beforehand right?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I just drove out to buy dog food, and passed 4 gas stations to get to the store I go to (I'm a Eukanuba snob, or, rather, my dog is; anyone who buys this stuff knows that it's somewhat hard to find in grocery stores and the like, thus my passing 4 gas stations to get to the store that carries it).[/QUOTE]

Wow. I paid 17 bucks for 30 lbs of food for my dogs. You must be rich to buy that stuff. Do you buy bottled water and Starbucks coffee too? You should be taxed extra for those 'luxuries'.

2 of them had $3.09; I filled up on Sunday evening, and I'm going to see if I can make it two weeks without refilling (luckily, it is possible for me).

The other 2 had taken their prices down; I guess they're either lazy (and don't want to continuously change them), or they prefer the element of surprise (you don't know the price until you pull up to the pump and get out).
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That I don't like. I won't stop at a gas station that doesn't post their prices easily visible.

I think their ought to be a $10.00 surcharge on all SUV fillups; if you're enough of a fucking piece of asshole selfish wasteful shit to own one of these needless behemoths, then fuck you, you can pay for your largesse, asshole.
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There is a surcharge. It's called greater use of gas, more tax dollars paid on that same gas, etc. I think there ought to be a surcharge on people who drive out, using up gas and harming my precious environment, just to buy *dog food*, and expensive snobby dog food at that.

Hell, surcharge on *all* cars--don't forget, vans, sedans, trucks, etc, are also bad on mileage. And many people *could* do without a car, at least some of time, by carpooling, working at home, bussing, taxi, etc.

The same 'logic' could be applied to videogames--they are technically 'needless' luxuries, and of course they use lots of gas to ship them around and produce them etc. And they cause people who live on a cheap game message board to drive around to multiple game stores in hopes of finding a game for 5 bucks less than elsewhere.

Oh, by the way. I own an SUV, though I personally drive a BMW [I must be rich!]. Before that, I owned a station wagon. Before that, another SUV. Before that, a pickup truck. Enjoyed each of them [except that wagon, it was a lemony piece of shit]. Drove each of them. And I think that we'll take the SUV out this weekend instead of my car, just because.

The government should release restrictions on the companies so *they* can research other forms of power. Hell, nuclear power works, and is relatively safe, but the MSM has got this big Three Mile Island/Chernobyl fear going on, we'll never be able to 'use' it like we should. And as I've said before, if people as a whole *want* alternate fuels [and are willing to pay for them], the companies or some industrious scientist/inventor/student/researcher will make it happen. As evil as some people seem to think the profit motive is, it is one of the surest ways to get results efficiently.

"Gasoline is a fungible, global commodity, its price subject to the ordinary forces of supply and demand. No amount of consumer gimmickry and showmanship will lower its price in the long run; only a significant, ongoing reduction in demand will accomplish that goal. Unfortunately, for many people achieving that goal would mean cutting down on their driving or opting for less desirable economy cars over less fuel-efficient models, solutions they find unappealing."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']I'm sure oil execs and everyone else just created this storm as an excuse to "pre-determine" the price raises right? Maybe the storms are just a media coverup and oil company plot to drive up gas prices. They don't really exist and this is all staged beforehand right?[/QUOTE]


I'd argue with this completely out of context statement but it would be pointless. I had no idea people were so stupid.
 
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