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NEW THREAD HERE http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10172798

First post contains promo information & useful information and frequently asked questions. Second post has the values for games for Microsoft devices. Third post has the values for games for Nintendo devices. Fourth post has the values for games for Sony devices. Fifth post hardware values. Sixth post is open for expansion/reorganization.

Instructions on finding games in the database and inputting the values from different sections can be found in my blog post here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=14143. I would put the entire post in the thread but this is already kind of a large post.

Upcoming Promotions:

Black Friday Trade Deals

[quote name='Anonymous GameStop Employee']20% extra credit on trades toward refurbished/new electronics
25% bonus trade in credit when trading in 2 games
Double trade in credit on any system
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Current Promotions:
GameStop.com Information (will post it when they update it)


Trade 3 get $10 (11/18/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com'] Get $10 extra in-store credit when you trade any 3 games

Games with a trade value less than $2.00 are excluded from offer. Offer valid only toward games normally accepted in trade. Offer not good on cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer subject to change at anytime. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.
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$25 Hardware Bonus, Select Systems (11/18/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get an extra $25 in-store credit when you trade any PS3, Xbox 360, PS Vita or 3DS system

Offer not good on cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Hardware must have all necessary components for trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer vailid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.
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$30 Guaranteed, Select Games (Varied)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Guaranteed $30 in store credit when you trade select games (within 30 days of release) View Now

$30 value is net value after trade. Trade must be in full working condition to receive full value. Valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Subject to manager approval. See store associate for details. No dealers. Some exclusions may apply. Offer valid only while new game is priced $49.99 or higher. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. Offer expiration varies by title.
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Assassin's Creed III PS3 Bundle Upgrade Offer (11/11/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get $75 extra in-store credit when you trade any PS3 toward a new PS3 500GB Assassin’s Creed III bundle.”

Full trade amount must be applied toward the purchase of a new PS3 500GB Assassin's Creed III bundle. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Defective items may be eligible for trade at a lesser value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. Offer valid 10/30/12 through 11/11/12.
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Sony Collections Trade Offer (11/14/12)

[quote name='GameStop.com']Get 50% extra in-store credit when you trade any games toward the purchase of select Sony collections. Exclusively for PowerUp Rewards members


Eligible Games
- Ratchet & Clank Collection - $39.99
-God of War Saga - $39.99
- Jak and Daxter Collection - $39.99
- Ico and Shadow of the Colossus Collection - $19.99
- InFAMOUS Collection $19.99
- Journey Collector’s Edition- $29.99
- Uncharted Dual Pack - $39.99
- Killzone Trilogy - $39.99


Legal: Full trade amount must be applied toward the purchase of participating games. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Defective items may be eligible for trade at a lesser value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. Offer valid 11/1/12 through 11/14/12.
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Power Up Rewards Exclusive Hardware Values (11/11/12)

[quote name='GameStop.com']PowerUp Rewards exclusive hardware trade offers are here. Trade in your system to score these exclusive trade prices.

  • Xbox 360 orig - $80
  • Xbox 360 slim - $125
  • PS3 - $125
  • Wii - $40
  • 3DS - $75
  • DSi - $50
  • DS Lite - $40
  • PS Vita - $90
  • PS2 - $30
Values are net after trade. Offer not good on cash trades. Hardware must be in full working condition to be eligible for this offer. Defective hardware may be eligible for trade at a lesser value. Hardware must have all necessary components for trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer vailid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. Offer valid 11/6/12 through 11/11/12.
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30% Power Trade
(1/6/13)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get 30% extra in-store credit when you trade any items toward a new copy of select games. http://www.gamestop.com/mrkt/landing/pre-pay-bonus-30-trade-credit/

Full trade value amount must be applied toward the pre-order/purchase of a new copy of a participating game. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. [/QUOTE]


PC Download Power Trade (11/5/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Power Trade: Get an extra 25% in-store credit when you trade any games toward Prototype Franchise bundle, Dead Space Bundle, F.E.A.R. bundle or Dawnguard DLC digital downloads.

Full trade value amount must be applied toward the purchase of PC download of Prototype Franchise bundle, Dead Space Bundle, F.E.A.R. bundle or Dawnguard DLC. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward games normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. [/QUOTE]


25% Headset Offer (11/5/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get an extra 25% in-store credit when you trade any items toward a new headset. including Turtle Beach, Tritton, Beats and more!

Full trade amount must be applied toward the purchase of new headset. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. [/QUOTE]


GAMESTOP USED GAME PRODUCT ID(thanks Xfactor4)
THE GAMESTOP USED GAME PRODUCT ID "CRACKED":

:gc:=916xxx
:360:=952xxx
:ps2:=938xxx or 939xxx
:wii:=917xxx
:psp:=935xxx
:ds:=919xxx
:ps3:=930xxx
:gba:=914xxx

FAQ
These trade-in values are really low!
While that may be true, if you combine the games with the right promotion they can work to your advantage. There are knowledgeable people in this thread that are normally willing to help.

Is there any way to look at what the previous values reported on a game?
You can search through this thread and previous ones to see what a game has been reported in the past. With the TIV Tracker you can sort by date and then go through the list of past updated values through that as well. Here are the previous GS TIV Threads: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16,,,,,,,,

Can I trade-in sealed games?
No. You might come across the rare GameStop that would let you do it, but they are going to open them anyway.

I don't want to get hassled about the values I post, how can I get the information out there?
If you do not feel comfortable or willing to put the values in the thread you have two options available. You can input them in the TIV tracker or you can send them to me via PM. Either way the database and these lists will be updated. Putting them into the TIV tracker does save me some time later on.

Do trade-ins have to have their original case, insert and manual?
No, however it will be YMMV on if they charge you a refurbish fee for them in that condition. Most GameStops wont charge a fee but there are some that charge for incomplete games.

Will they accept my game if it is really beat up?
YMMV. It really all depends upon the employee you get. Some will charge refurbish fees, some wont, some wont accept the game and others just take them without a second glance.

What are the refurb fees on games?
There appears to be set prices for set value ranges. We aren't 100% certain on the splits just yet. Here is what we have currently:
$0.25-$2 Value: $0.75 Refurb Fee
$2.01-$4 Value: $1 Refurb Fee
$4.01-$7 Value: $2 Refurb Fee
$7.01-$10 Value: $3 Refurb Fee
$10.01 & Higher Value: $4 Refurb Fee
This information isn't guaranteed by any mean and we are still working on nailing it down.

What are the refurb fees on consoles?
They are listed in the hardware TIV section, highlight in red.

I have a Collector's/Limited/Special edition of a game, do I have to trade-in all of the extras?
No, but there are a handful of games that their variations have separate listings at GameStop: Madden 09 Anniversary Edition, Battlefield: Bad Company Gold Edition, and a few others.

Why didn't the percent bonus go for my accessory for a system that was included?
Unless stated otherwise, and they are rarely included, the bonuses never apply to accessories. Except the EDGE card of course.

I traded in a bunch of games for the "Trade X, get $X bonus" promo and it gave me the percentage bonus instead?
I can't give concretes on why this happens. GameStop computers are normally pretty good at giving you the better promo. In the case of a percentage bonus being run at the same time as a "Trade X, get $X" promo, things can get messy. The system appears to only give one promo on games per transaction so if you had a few games that you want to go to the percentage bonus and a stack for the "Trade X, Get $X" it will regularly apply the percentage to all of the games. Your best bet is to do all "Trade X, Get $X" games in one transaction on their own. The GameStop clerk may say that the system will figure it all out, tell them you want a separate transaction anyway. As always, check your receipt before you leave the store.

Can I trade in multiple copies of the same game?
YMMV. The official policy is no, but there are some GameStops that overlook that rule.

What all do I have to trade in for a console trade-in?
Xbox 360: Console Unit, power brick, A/V Cables, Controller (wired/wireless)
Wii: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cables, Wiimote, Nunchuck, Sensor Bar
Playstation 3: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller, USB Cable
Playstation 2: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller (Must be a DualShock2) *Fat unit requires either back cover or network adapter*
GameCube: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller
PSP: Handheld, A/C Adapter
Nintendo DS/DSLite/DSi: Handheld, A/C Adapter, Stylus

Can I trade in a defective/broken console?
For the most part yes. If it powers on but doesn't play games, they will take the console as a refurb unit and put a refurb fee on the console. The refurb fee on the console will vary on the price of the console so those numbers will change. You are still required to trade in everything required listed in the question directly above. They will not, however, take RROD 360 consoles. There may be stores that still do it, but official policy is to not take them in.

What is the difference between PowerUp Rewards and PowerUp Rewards Pro?
The basic card is free and only allows you to acrew points when spending money. The Pro card costs $14.99 and is basically the same as the previous EDGE program.

How much does a PowerUp Rewards Pro subscription cost?
It costs $14.99 and is good for a year. It also comes with a 1-year subscription to Game Informer magazine.

What bonuses come with having an PowerUp Rewards Pro card?
You will get an extra 10% trade-in credit on the base value of the game, extra 10% off the purchase of pre-owned games and 10% off new strategy guides.

Does the Power Up Rewards Card give me a bonus on hardware trade-ins?
No. You will only get the bonus for games and accessories.

What if I want cash instead of credit, what do they deduct?
If you decide that you want cash instead of credit, they will take 20% off the base values and promos will not apply.

Does promo "....." have a minimum trade-in value?
If the promo has a minimum trade-in value requirement, it will be listed in the promo. If it isn't there, then there is no limit. However, as with all trades, they are subject to manager approval so the manager could have setup his own little rule-set requiring a minimum of whatever.

I used a Power Trade promo for a pre-order, can I cancel that pre-order and get the credit or move it to another game I want?
Yes on both accounts. However, if you do a bunch of the power trades and just straight drop the pre-order you could create some ill-will between yourself and the employees you cancel on. However, if you look at the wordings on promos, they can remove the bonus trade-in value if they decide to.

I just tried to use a promo that has a select list of games eligible, but they say my game isn't eligible anymore, what gives?
Basically they have the right to change the eligible games at any time. They tend to update these frequently so as to lock out any easy/cheap games. It's best to check the eligible list the day of your trade.

Can I stack two different trade-in promos?
No. The only thing that will stack with trade-ins is your EDGE card. Some will report success, but this requires a manual override and is very YMMV.

If I pay for an item using all credit on my card, do I have to pay sales tax?
This varies depending upon the state you live in.

If I buy a used copy of a game that requires an online pass for multiplayer, will it come with an online pass?
If you purchase a used title published by either Sony or WB you get an online pass from GS on your receipt. That's also why the used copies are $55 instead of $48 when the MSRP is $60.

No GS issued passes of games published by EA, THQ, etc. On those titles you're totally dependent on the previous owner not using the code.

What states charge sales tax on purchases paid in full with credit and which ones don't?
Charge Sales Tax on Credit Purchases: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia
Does Not Charge Sales Tax on Credit Purchases: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming
No Information Yet:

My state doesn't charge sales tax on purchases made by credit, why is gamestop.com charging me tax?
It is just the way they have designed their system. The best theory we have seen is that since you are only inputting the number off of the back of the card, it isn't going to pick up the programming from the specially tagged EDGE cards. Some kind of programming that gets input from their system that wont show up when only inputting the number off the back of the card.


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[quote name='merchie89']I walked into gametop yesterday and saw that they had a $40 price tag on Left 4 Dead 2. I literally laughed out loud[/QUOTE]

It's listed as $44.99 on the website. Also, Left 4 Dead 1 is going for $34.99 used. Now is the time to trade them in if you have them lying around collecting dust like I did. Got $44.55 in credit after bonuses for the 2 last week.
 
8/15/12 Base TIV

Xbox 360:
Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary - $15 (with 25% bonus and Powerup 10% comes to $20.25, comparable to Amazon)
Syndicate - $9 ((with 25% bonus and Powerup 10% comes to $12.15, comparable to Amazon)
Crackdown - $4
Gears of War 3 - $8

PS3:
NFS: The Run - $9

[quote name='boogie4114']Yes these are the following games I got on my e-mail:
NCAA Football 13- $30
Spec Ops The Line- $30
The Amazing Spider-man- $30
Sniper Elite V2- $30
Record of Agarest War 2- $30
Lollipop Chainsaw- $25
Kirby's Return to Dreamland- $25
Metal Gear Solid HD Collection (Vita)- $25
Gravity Rush- $25
Theatrhythm Final Fantasy- $25
Pokemon Conquest- $20[/QUOTE]

This would be great if this can be confirmed or someone forward me a copy of the e-mail? I searched my Inbox for all Gamestop e-mails and didn't find this particular e-mail. $30 for Spec Ops is probably the best I can get for it.
 
Quick! Everyone buy every single copy of a certain game at every Gamestop in the country.

Wait a few weeks, then trade it back in! Everyone will be rich!
 
[quote name='dgwillia006']Quick! Everyone buy every single copy of a certain game at every Gamestop in the country.

Wait a few weeks, then trade it back in! Everyone will be rich![/QUOTE]

Make this happen! :lol:
 
[quote name='FlipSide']8/15/12 Base TIV

Xbox 360:
Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary - $15 (with 25% bonus and Powerup 10% comes to $20.25, comparable to Amazon)
Syndicate - $9 ((with 25% bonus and Powerup 10% comes to $12.15, comparable to Amazon)
Crackdown - $4
Gears of War 3 - $8

PS3:
NFS: The Run - $9



This would be great if this can be confirmed or someone forward me a copy of the e-mail? I searched my Inbox for all Gamestop e-mails and didn't find this particular e-mail. $30 for Spec Ops is probably the best I can get for it.[/QUOTE]

Did you buy Spec ops from Gamestop? I think you get these emails if you bought that game before. I only got Lollipop Chainsaw one because that is the only one I bought.
 
[quote name='PancakesAreLove']Did you buy Spec ops from Gamestop? I think you get these emails if you bought that game before. I only got Lollipop Chainsaw one because that is the only one I bought.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I probably got my notice because I bought Gravity Rush used from GS.
 
I'm surprised i got that email then, i didnt buy any of those games from Gamestop (Only 2 on the list i even own are Gravity Rush and Theatrhythm).

Either way its awesome, i'll sure as hell be trading in Gravity Rush for that price
 
Here is part of the email:

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By the way, the only one I bought from those listed was Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy 3DS and NCAA 13.
 
Hmm, now I'm wondering if I should trade in the Record of Agarest War 2 from the CE that I got from AWD for ~$36, keep the CE extras, and just wait for the game to drop in price (because gosh knows I won't have time to play it anytime soon :lol:)...
 
[quote name='cigaro']When are those trade ins advertised until? The 20th?[/QUOTE]

"You Played It. Now Trade It.

You're done playing the games you have, and you want new games. We can help. Trade in any of these games by Monday, August 20, to get these exclusive PowerUp Rewards trade values. You can spend it on anything in the store and online."
 
Base TIVs 8/16

Xbox 360:
NCAA Basketball 2010 $14.00
Halo Reach $18.00
Left 4 Dead 2 $14.00
Borderlands $9.00
Spider-Man 3 $9.00
Mass Effect $10

PS3:
GTA IV $9.00

DS:
GTA Chinatown Wars $7.00
 
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Base values for 8/16:

:wii:
Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - $18
Rhythm Heaven Fever - $8 (phone quote)

:ps3:
Record of Agarest War 2 - $20

Vita
Rayman Origins - $14
 
[quote name='bringerofdeath']is the 30% extra trade in for purchasing preown still in effect didn't see it in the op[/QUOTE]

nope. ended last week. you can buy a coupon from poweruprewards for 3500 points or put a deposit on madden/transformers for the 30% bonus.
 
[quote name='jooksingjie']nope. ended last week. you can buy a coupon from poweruprewards for 3500 points or put a deposit on madden/transformers for the 30% bonus.[/QUOTE]Or preorder NSMB2 or put the trade-in(s) towards a new copy of Darksiders II.
 
[quote name='Obiwan456']I have a question. Will the 30% towards NSMB2 work when picking up a pre-order?[/QUOTE]

Yes b/c it's with pre-order or purchase.
 
Does Gamestop still buy broken consoles? My 5th 360 just died on me and I REFUSE to get another one. I still have the last one that broke on me so i have two to get rid of
 
[quote name='DX']Does Gamestop still buy broken consoles? My 5th 360 just died on me and I REFUSE to get another one. I still have the last one that broke on me so i have two to get rid of[/QUOTE]

:applause:
 
[quote name='MyPaper']Is the TiV for the DSi XL really $25?[/QUOTE]

They lowered it due to the double bonus awhile back. So I imagined they increased it back up a bit. Just call them and ask.
 
[quote name='strait edge follower']:ps3: Assassins creed: brotherhood base = 10 (how is this still 10 ? !)[/QUOTE]

and yet assassin creed revelations is around $9 or 10 tiv, lol what a joke
 
[quote name='backseatdog']They lowered it due to the double bonus awhile back. So I imagined they increased it back up a bit. Just call them and ask.[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about the $25 extra trade bonus? It only has 5 system listed and the DS is not one of them.
 
Has anyone traded a DualShock 3 in the last week? I'm thinking of trading in one last one but they won't quote me over the phone for some reason.
 
[quote name='Slowdance']Has anyone traded a DualShock 3 in the last week? I'm thinking of trading in one last one but they won't quote me over the phone for some reason.[/QUOTE]

the last update of someone trading in dualshock 3 was $30 in store credit
 
[quote name='YBX87']the last update of someone trading in dualshock 3 was $30 in store credit[/QUOTE]

Yep. Just asking if anyone has traded one in the last week, as $30 was pretty over the top for a controller.

I unloaded 2 already but I'm thinking of ditching one more black one to get another color.
 
[quote name='mousebites']22.50 for a 360 controller just to let u guys know[/QUOTE]

A wireless one I presume?

Edit: Wow, looking at the TIV's, how does Prototype still have $10 TIV? i bought that for $17.99. Damn, I think I'm gonna try and finish that tonight so i can trade it in, and if the wireless controller does have a $22.50 TIV, I have an extra one that never gets used. Satck that with my PRU and possibly some other games, i could pay off a Borderlands 2 pre-order or get me some Steam cards for CS:GO and other stuff.
 
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[quote name='YBX87']the last update of someone trading in dualshock 3 was $30 in store credit[/QUOTE]

yup was still $30 + 10% trade in on accessories if you are PUR Pro so $33 as of 8/15.... i'll be trading another one in later today and update too after errands...

also: i remember black friday 09 and 10 radioshack and others had PS3 controllers for $35.. so not a bad price to trade in for..
 
i am actually surprise gamestop give $30 tiv for dualshock, lol . seeing everytime i trade in at gamestop. they have tons of new dualshock controller unsolded in store
 
[quote name='jmarano7836']yup was still $30 + 10% trade in on accessories if you are PUR Pro so $33 as of 8/15.... i'll be trading another one in later today and update too after errands...

also: i remember black friday 09 and 10 radioshack and others had PS3 controllers for $35.. so not a bad price to trade in for..[/QUOTE]

actually alot of retailers were selling it for $35 during 2011 blackfriday
 
[quote name='YBX87']actually alot of retailers were selling it for $35 during 2011 blackfriday[/QUOTE]

Yup. I actually really wanted the Walmart exclusive clear blue DS3, so I found an ad for a $35 controller that had "blue" listed in the alternate colors. They price matched no problem even though it was obviously referring to solid blue.

Kinda OT, but i'm probably going to trade in a black one, and get that KZ3/camo DS3 pack, then trade KZ3 into BB tomorrow. I don't love the color but it seems the cheapest way to get a new controller that isn't black. I have 2 red ones from GOW Origins bundles and that clear blue one. I'd love a pink one to keep it colorful but those are never on sale.
 
[quote name='Slowdance']Yup. I actually really wanted the Walmart exclusive clear blue DS3, so I found an ad for a $35 controller that had "blue" listed in the alternate colors. They price matched no problem even though it was obviously referring to solid blue.

Kinda OT, but i'm probably going to trade in a black one, and get that KZ3/camo DS3 pack, then trade KZ3 into BB tomorrow. I don't love the color but it seems the cheapest way to get a new controller that isn't black. I have 2 red ones from GOW Origins bundles and that clear blue one. I'd love a pink one to keep it colorful but those are never on sale.[/QUOTE]

amazon has the pink for sale for $40 right now, if you are amazon credit to use
 
[quote name='YBX87']amazon has the pink for sale for $40 right now, if you are amazon credit to use[/QUOTE]

Wow, thanks a ton! I'll probably use some BB credit on kindle cards to get this.
 
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