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[quote name='Demolition Man']Plus it also plays SACD and DVD-Audio along with HDCD encoded CDs. Also don't forget it does DIVX/XVID files too. Comes with an HDMI cable too. Not a bad buy for $230. :D[/quote]
Oh believe me, I know! I've done my research on it. And I know a couple of CAGs that have Oppo players and they swear by them. Only thing it doesn't do is record onto dvd. But I can live without that with no problems.

I just tried explaining to a roomy why it doesn't have component out puts...seems he doesn't get that you can't do dvd upconversion inside the palyer over component. Besides, since it can do 1080p upconversion (doesn't matter to me, as my set only goes to 1080i), it HAS to have an HDMI connection....

Though, my 7.1 receiver has HDMI pass thru, and my DVR is whats taking up the HDMI port on my TV, I'm gonna need to get an extra HDMI cable. But thats no problem thanks to monoprice! I have you other CAGS to thank for that heh!
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Now THOSE games are fun. Nerve wrecking and intense yet fun. Maybe when I finally cave in and get a 360 then we'll have to play a few rounds.
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Yep, I love the intense fun games as well. Got little beads of sweat on the forehead, fingers are a little twitchy etc.

Whenever you get a 360 I'll shoot you a friend request.

[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Oh believe me, I know! I've done my research on it. And I know a couple of CAGs that have Oppo players and they swear by them. Only thing it doesn't do is record onto dvd. But I can live without that with no problems.

I just tried explaining to a roomy why it doesn't have component out puts...seems he doesn't get that you can't do dvd upconversion inside the palyer over component. Besides, since it can do 1080p upconversion (doesn't matter to me, as my set only goes to 1080i), it HAS to an HDMI connection....[/QUOTE]

I bought an $80 samsung up converter a few months back, it works great, but when it gets hot after 3 or 4 movies. The picture will mess up, and I'll have to reset it. The last normal dvd player I had would lock up after playing a few movies. And I keep my electronics out in the open.

When I first plugged it in I didn't notice a difference. On older movies it doesn't upconvert to much. But new stuff looks awesome. Like the Lost dvds are spectacular, The football movie with the Rock looked like a live HD broadcast.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Oh believe me, I know! I've done my research on it. And I know a couple of CAGs that have Oppo players and they swear by them. Only thing it doesn't do is record onto dvd. But I can live without that with no problems.[/quote]

My biggest concerns are:

A) How does it handle SACD/DVD-A playback? Especially stuff like bass management and the like.

B) How good is the XVID playback? My Philips that I use is fickle with what resolutions it will take for XVID files. So I wonder if the Oppo's are better in that regards.
 
Man, I can't even think of doing anything with my credit card till Tues...have to wait till Monday to put the money in my bank account then pay off my credit card. Tues, I'm ordering that mother fucker!
 
[quote name='CitizenB']Yep, I love the intense fun games as well. Got little beads of sweat on the forehead, fingers are a little twitchy etc.

Whenever you get a 360 I'll shoot you a friend request.[/QUOTE]

At this going rate we'll probably be playing the 2009 line of baseball games by the time I get a 360. ;)
 
[quote name='CitizenB']Yep, I love the intense fun games as well. Got little beads of sweat on the forehead, fingers are a little twitchy etc.

Whenever you get a 360 I'll shoot you a friend request.



I bought an $80 samsung up converter, it works great, but when it gets hot after 3 or 4 movies. The picture will mess up, and I'll have to reset it. The last normal dvd player I had would lock up after playing a few movies. And I keep my electronics out in the open.[/quote]
Which baseball game do you have? Man I dont follow baseball in real life at all but I love playing friends in baseball games. Damn nothing is better than playing a good game of baseball vs one of my friends.


How is the online play of the one you have? If i do wind up getting it i will have to play online alot since my friends no longer live near me.
 
[quote name='CitizenB']I for some reason want that 360 hddvd player. No idea why, just want it.[/QUOTE]

Personally I'm going to wait a bit on jumping into buying any HD format. Especially now with the talk of more combo units that handle both HD-DVD and Bluray. The more we get out there eventually will bring lower costs which is of course a major win for us.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']My biggest concerns are:

A) How does it handle SACD/DVD-A playback? Especially stuff like bass management and the like.

B) How good is the XVID playback? My Philips that I use is fickle with what resolutions it will take for XVID files. So I wonder if the Oppo's are better in that regards.[/quote]

Honestly, I have no experience with either audio formats. Same goes for DivX and XviD. The only progressive scan player in my household is my 360. And I'm tired of using it as a dvd player.

The main reason why I want it is that it does upconversion and does PAL-NTSC conversion. There is a Laurel and Hardy 21 disc DVD box set that I've wanted for several years that is only region 2. Of course, it still opens up getting dvds from other places (unless the disc is SECAM, but who the fuck uses that other than the French and former USSR eastern bloc countries that still stick to it)
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Personally I'm going to wait a bit on jumping into buying any HD format. Especially now with the talk of more combo units that handle both HD-DVD and Bluray. The more we get out there eventually will bring lower costs which is of course a major win for us.[/quote]
If I had the money, I might consider the LG combo player, but it doesn't take advantage of the HDi features of HD-DVD. Not to mention its MSRP is about what, 1300? Probably the best bet for now if you don't want to bother with choosing a format is an upconverting player. For the average person that doesn't care about having the uber functionallity of an Oppo player, you can get an upconverting player for 100 bucks.

Of couse watch Demo, they'll start introducing the "next" generation HD discs and shit that "surpass" both HDDVD and BluRay, when the combo players are eaten' up by consumers lol
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Honestly, I have no experience with either audio formats. Same goes for DivX and XviD. The only progressive scan player in my household is my 360. And I'm tired of using it as a dvd player.[/quote]

As far as SACD/DVD-Audio is concerned.....

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Moo...4404619?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1176623180&sr=8-2

Run... don't walk... and buy that NOW! Seriously anyone who owns an SACD capable machine needs to own this.

And as far as DivX/XviD is concerned its a nice format for grabbing TV shows and what not - even if you have a DVR/PVR yet somehow you forgot to program it to record that show.

The main reason why I want it is that it does upconversion and does PAL-NTSC conversion. There is a Laurel and Hardy 21 disc DVD box set that I've wanted for several years that is only region 2. Of course, it still opens up getting dvds from other places (unless the disc is SECAM, but who the fuck uses that other than the French and former USSR eastern bloc countries that still stick to it)
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A good amount of DVD players these days do PAL-NTSC conversion. Hell my crap ass Philips does it.

Relax btw... that crap ass Philips I only use for XviD playback. I rarely use it for DVDs.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Which baseball game do you have? Man I dont follow baseball in real life at all but I love playing friends in baseball games. Damn nothing is better than playing a good game of baseball vs one of my friends.


How is the online play of the one you have? If i do wind up getting it i will have to play online alot since my friends no longer live near me.[/QUOTE]

MLB 2k7, The online play is great as long as the other person doesn't quit. Which can happen if you start stomping their ass.

[quote name='Demolition Man']Personally I'm going to wait a bit on jumping into buying any HD format. Especially now with the talk of more combo units that handle both HD-DVD and Bluray. The more we get out there eventually will bring lower costs which is of course a major win for us.[/QUOTE]

I'm not buying it for $200. If I could get it for $130 or less then I would bite, HD-DVD has quite a few movies I would buy for it. Namely the Lost planet dvds, and some others.

Watching Caddyshack off my dvr, and it just gave me a great idea for the pool this summer. A baby ruth bar+ public pool=classic.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']If I had the money, I might consider the LG combo player, but it doesn't take advantage of the HDi features of HD-DVD. Not to mention its MSRP is about what, 1300? Probably the best bet for now if you don't want to bother with choosing a format is an upconverting player. For the average person that doesn't care about having the uber functionallity of an Oppo player, you can get an upconverting player for 100 bucks.[/quote]

Rumor has it (keyword Rumor) is that the Samsung unit that was announced might go for roughly $1,000 or so. And unlike the LG the Samsung unit is to the full spec of HD-DVD (so it can do all the interactive features and what not).

Of couse watch Demo, they'll start introducing the "next" generation HD discs and shit that "surpass" both HDDVD and BluRay, when the combo players are eaten' up by consumers
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Honestly most Joe Sixpacks I encounter don't give a shit about either format. Its enough hell just trying to get these same Joe Sixpacks to understand Widescreen. Now try getting these same people to care about what they are watching is in 1080p or whatever. Most of them won't give a shit... hell most of them think that 480i looks "good enough" and that composite cables "work." :puke:
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']
Honestly most Joe Sixpacks I encounter don't give a shit about either format. Its enough hell just trying to get these same Joe Sixpacks to understand Widescreen. Now try getting these same people to care about what they are watching is in 1080p or whatever.[/QUOTE]

I worked retail I know what you mean.

customer :"I want it full screen."
Me: "Well sir widescreen is better..."

"I paid for a 32inch tv, I want the dvd I'm paying for to fill all of those 32 inches."

Me: "yea...well heres the boxset of walker texas ranger. $21.82."
 
[quote name='CitizenB']I'm not buying it for $200. If I could get it for $130 or less then I would bite, HD-DVD has quite a few movies I would buy for it. Namely the Lost planet dvds, and some others.[/QUOTE]

The best thing I like about HD-DVD so far are the HD-DVD/DVD combo discs. Costs a bit more but in the long run I feel its a better deal to get a DVD that can be used now and then to have an HD-DVD version on the other side for whenever one would get an HD-DVD player.

That is of course if HD-DVD lasts.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']As far as SACD/DVD-Audio is concerned.....

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Moon-30th-Anniversary/dp/B00008CLOA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-2199414-4404619?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1176623180&sr=8-2

Run... don't walk... and buy that NOW! Seriously anyone who owns an SACD capable machine needs to own this.

And as far as DivX/XviD is concerned its a nice format for grabbing TV shows and what not - even if you have a DVR/PVR yet somehow you forgot to program it to record that show.



A good amount of DVD players these days do PAL-NTSC conversion. Hell my crap ass Philips does it.

Relax btw... that crap ass Philips I only use for XviD playback. I rarely use it for DVDs.[/quote]

I totally get what you're sayingDemo. And I'll definatly get the SACD Dark Side of the Moon. That is one album that fucking screams hi def!

About the Laurel and Hardy boxset; after the British pound to USD conversion, its nearly the price of the palyer not including shipping, its still worth it to me. As it contains all of their talkie films
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Honestly most Joe Sixpacks I encounter don't give a shit about either format. Its enough hell just trying to get these same Joe Sixpacks to understand Widescreen. Now try getting these same people to care about what they are watching is in 1080p or whatever. Most of them won't give a shit... hell most of them think that 480i looks "good enough" and that composite cables "work." :puke:[/quote]

Christ man! I did two years at Panasonics call center, you don't need to tell me how retarded they are. They'd rather watch a dvd in 16:9 mode on a 4:3 set because "it fills out more"...
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Which baseball game do you have? Man I dont follow baseball in real life at all but I love playing friends in baseball games. Damn nothing is better than playing a good game of baseball vs one of my friends.


How is the online play of the one you have? If i do wind up getting it i will have to play online alot since my friends no longer live near me.[/quote]

Like it matters, you'll just lie about your achievements anyhow.
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']Like it matters, you'll just lie about your achievements anyhow.[/quote]

And you'll be the usual douche that you are anyhow either way...
 
[quote name='CitizenB']I worked retail I know what you mean.

customer :"I want it full screen."
Me: "Well sir widescreen is better..."

"I paid for a 32inch tv, I want the dvd I'm paying for to fill all of those 32 inches."

Me: "yea...well heres the boxset of walker texas ranger. $21.82."[/QUOTE]

I learned a long time ago its not worth getting into that argument with them. Those people are set in their neanderthal ways of "i want it to fill my screen or else."

What's more scary is that I had a customer when "Happy Feet" came out who bought it in Foolscreen despite the fact that she owned a Widescreen TV. Why? Because she didn't want those few mere inches of black bars since its aspect ratio is 2.35:1.

I would so hate to see her watch "Ben Hur" (which is 2.70:1) on her TV... hell, I'd hate to see her watch that on a normal 4x3 TV. She wouldn't last five minutes.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']The best thing I like about HD-DVD so far are the HD-DVD/DVD combo discs. Costs a bit more but in the long run I feel its a better deal to get a DVD that can be used now and then to have an HD-DVD version on the other side for whenever one would get an HD-DVD player.

That is of course if HD-DVD lasts.[/QUOTE]

IMO both format (blu, and HD) will be gimmick formats. That'll be around for 9-10 years. Then lose support since they never take off. IMO nothing is wrong with either format but its to soon to release them to consumers. Consumers are already confused with the HD switch coming up.

If HD, and Blu came out in 2015 or so I think that would be ideal. By then we would have had affordable dvd players for about 20+ years, and it would be time for a new format. But as of right now we've only had dvds for 12 years, and its not time yet. Hell the HD switch coming up will finally convert all the remaing VHS people.


As much as I love dvds I miss the fast forwarding, and rewinding of tapes. I know it sounds weird but I miss the clicking, and other mechanical sounds of vhs. Back in the day before I had a dvr, I had a VCR, and two tape rewinders. One tape would record stuff while I was at school, then when I got home I would change tapes, and record stuff through the night.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']I learned a long time ago its not worth getting into that argument with them. Those people are set in their neanderthal ways of "i want it to fill my screen or else."

What's more scary is that I had a customer when "Happy Feet" came out who bought it in Foolscreen despite the fact that she owned a Widescreen TV. Why? Because she didn't want those few mere inches of black bars since its aspect ratio is 2.35:1.

I would so hate to see her watch "Ben Hur" (which is 2.70:1) on her TV... hell, I'd hate to see her watch that on a normal 4x3 TV. She wouldn't last five minutes.[/quote]

*loudly slams palm into forehead*
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']And you'll be the usual douche that you are anyhow either way...[/quote]

Why don't you take your lobster claw, hang a hat on the door and wish you were all alone.

Better yet, why don't you wish you had the money to go away with your man but can't because you're both broke?

Shut up when nobody is talkin to you, you half-soused cripple.
 
[quote name='CitizenB']IMO both format (blu, and HD) will be gimmick formats. That'll be around for 9-10 years. Then lose support since they never take off. IMO nothing is wrong with either format but its to soon to release them to consumers. Consumers are already confused with the HD switch coming up.

If HD, and Blu came out in 2015 or so I think that would be ideal. By then we would have had affordable dvd players for about 20+ years, and it would be time for a new format. But as of right now we've only had dvds for 12 years, and its not time yet. Hell the HD switch coming up will finally convert all the remaing VHS people.[/QUOTE]

Even then CitizenB I suspect that when we finally do get it down to one format - which we ALL know will happen eventually since:

A) Not all studios are going to want to release films on both formats.
B) Not all stores are going to want to have multiple versions sitting there.
C) Not all consumers want to be confused bu even more versions of the same thing sitting on the shelves. Its bad enough we're getting this with DVD itself. Unless you follow DVD releases religiously its easy to get confused. Very easy.

So yeah we'll get down to one format. Even then whatever format that does win is the new Laserdisc for this generation of home video. Not that its a bad thing either to have a niche video format aimed towards the high end market. DVD will continue to serve the common folks in the meantime however. I don't see DVD going away for a LONG time.
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']Why don't you take your lobster claw, hang a hat on the door and wish you were all alone.

Better yet, why don't you wish you had the money to go away with your man but can't because you're both broke?

Shut up when nobody is talkin to you, you half-soused cripple.[/quote]
Wow, such a reaction from someone that thinks they are Mr Big Shit...you really are pathetic...

I wish I could see things your way, but I doubt my IQ level will ever get that fucking low...
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Wow, such a reaction from someone that thinks they are Mr Big Shit...you really are pathetic...

I wish I could see things your way, but I doubt my IQ level will ever get that fucking low...[/QUOTE]

*Pushes Jim, and HS apart.*

Also Jimmiemac never answered the question of why he was sexual assaulting mike from the video he posted. :D

[quote name='Demolition Man']Even then CitizenB I suspect that when we finally do get it down to one format - which we ALL know will happen eventually since:

A) Not all studios are going to want to release films on both formats.
B) Not all stores are going to want to have multiple versions sitting there.
C) Not all consumers want to be confused bu even more versions of the same thing sitting on the shelves. Its bad enough we're getting this with DVD itself. Unless you follow DVD releases religiously its easy to get confused. Very easy.

So yeah we'll get down to one format. Even then whatever format that does win is the new Laserdisc for this generation of home video. Not that its a bad thing either to have a niche video format aimed towards the high end market. DVD will continue to serve the common folks in the meantime however. I don't see DVD going away for a LONG time.[/QUOTE]

Thats a really good point that if it does come down to one it'll be a laserdisc. :whistle2:k

The biggest problem with both formats is that it has superior audio, and picture. Most "joe sixpacks." Only want their picture to look better then tapes, or the old piler tvs. So to most dvd looks good enough, as where only buffs notice a huge difference.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I totally get what you're saying Demo. And I'll definatly get the SACD Dark Side of the Moon. That is one album that fucking screams hi def![/QUOTE]

Oh yes it does. Yes it does.

While at it also get these discs:

Eagles - Hotel California (DVD-Audio)
David Crosby - If I Can Remember My Name (CD/DVD-Audio combo pack)
Dire Straits - Brother In Arms (US released on DVD-Audio, UK released on SACD)
A number of Bob Dylan releases on SACD (Blood On The Tracks, Blond On Blond, etc)
NIN - With Teeth (DualDisc, the DVD side is DVD-Audio)
NIN - Broken (SACD Deluxe Edition)
Foo Fighters - In Your Honour (DualDisc, Disc 2 has a great DVD-Audio 5.1 mix)
Peter Gabriel - Up (SACD)
Metallica - Black Album (DVD-Audio)

I'm probably missing quite a few others but those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head right away.
 
[quote name='CitizenB']The biggest problem with both formats is that it has superior audio, and picture. Most "joe sixpacks." Only want their picture to look better then tapes, or the old piler tvs. So to most dvd looks good enough, as where only buffs notice a huge difference.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I've already seen people go "I don't see the difference" when shown Bluray in action - and this is "Ice Age 2" for christ sakes. You know a film with a full digital transfer and what not. If THAT doesn't even remotely sell one on Bluray that I don't know what would.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Wow, such a reaction from someone that thinks they are Mr Big Shit...you really are pathetic...

I wish I could see things your way, but I doubt my IQ level will ever get that fucking low...[/quote]

That's the kind of retort I'd expect from a drunk.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Oh yes it does. Yes it does.

While at it also get these discs:

Eagles - Hotel California (DVD-Audio)
David Crosby - If I Can Remember My Name (CD/DVD-Audio combo pack)
Dire Straits - Brother In Arms (US released on DVD-Audio, UK released on SACD)
A number of Bob Dylan releases on SACD (Blood On The Tracks, Blond On Blond, etc)
NIN - With Teeth (DualDisc, the DVD side is DVD-Audio)
NIN - Broken (SACD Deluxe Edition)
Foo Fighters - In Your Honour (DualDisc, Disc 2 has a great DVD-Audio 5.1 mix)
Peter Gabriel - Up (SACD)
Metallica - Black Album (DVD-Audio)

I'm probably missing quite a few others but those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head right away.[/quote]I'll certainly check out the NIN releases along with the Dylan ones. I've never much cared for Dire Straits music (respect them though). That and Peter Gabriel.
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']That's the kind of retort I'd expect from a drunk.[/quote]

Nothing witty? Thats the kind of retort I'd expect from an egoticistal chef...
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I'll certainly check out the NIN releases along with the Dylan ones. I've never much cared for Dire Straits music (respect them though). That and Peter Gabriel.[/QUOTE]

Peter Gabriel's "Up" is well worth picking up. You'll certainly gain a new level of appriciation for the album with the 5.1 mix. Its very detailed and well mixed overall. To be honest its the album that really got me into his material.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Peter Gabriel's "Up" is well worth picking up. You'll certainly gain a new level of appriciation for the album with the 5.1 mix. Its very detailed and well mixed overall. To be honest its the album that really got me into his material.[/quote]

Is that the only album he has in such formats? My favorite is SO. I love all his work. Though, I really need to break out my partners Genesis LPs when he was a member. Been wanting to that for a while...
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Nothing witty? Thats the kind of retort I'd expect from an egoticistal chef...[/QUOTE]

How bout we both play a game called shutitup. This Argument has no basis in anything, nor will it becoming entertaining so stop it. Unless you can make it more entertaining. Does one of you have nudes of the other?
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Nothing witty? Thats the kind of retort I'd expect from an egoticistal chef...[/quote]

Least I got a job.
 
[quote name='CitizenB']How bout we both play a game called shutitup. This Argument has no basis in anything, nor will it becoming entertaining so stop it.[/quote]

I'm bored...I have nothing better to do...
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Is that the only album he has in such formats? My favorite is SO. I love all his work. Though, I really need to break out my partners Genesis LPs when he was a member. Been wanting to that for a while...[/QUOTE]

So is available on SACD but its stereo only. The Genesis catalog is getting released on SACD in the UK (along with DVD here) this year starting from the Phil Collins era. However the early reviews have been not very good - the biggest complaints have been the overly compressed sound along with there being too much high end on the mix. Therefore I'm a bit nervous when they get to the Gabriel era albums... I pray they don't fuck that up.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']So is available on SACD but its stereo only. The Genesis catalog is getting released on SACD in the UK (along with DVD here) this year starting from the Phil Collins era. However the early reviews have been not very good - the biggest complaints have been the overly compressed sound along with there being too much high end on the mix. Therefore I'm a bit nervous when they get to the Gabriel era albums... I pray they don't fuck that up.[/quote]

Forget getting So then. Vinyl is still the best way to go for sound reproduction anyhow...
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']And I can still pay my rent and my credit card without one...you're point is...[/QUOTE]

One of you work hard for the money?


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[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Forget getting So then. Vinyl is still the best way to go for sound reproduction anyhow...[/QUOTE]

Actually many have said the stereo only SACDs for the Gabriel catalog are amazing sounding. I've heard from a few on Steve Hoffmans forums that some Best Buy locations have picked up the UK releases which are SACD/CD hybrid discs. I might have to see how much they are selling for.

Then again there is that consistant rumor of Peter Gabriel going through and doing new 5.1 mixes for his entire catalog. I suspect we'll see that Pink Floyd "Wish You Were Here" SACD long before that.

For those not in the know we've been only hearing about that SACD for three years now... and us Floyd diehards have been told "its done" for those same three years.
 
Enough hiding, and since I'm among the CAG's I trust the most Here is me
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[quote name='Demolition Man']That doesn't rule out you being a transexual.[/QUOTE]

I showed my face once before in the chatroom. But only for a few seconds.
 
Though, CB, I think it would be interesting to see a drinking match between us...considering how much we've gone on about what we drink and such...
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Though, CB, I think it would be interesting to see a drinking match between us...considering how much we've gone on about what we drink and such...[/QUOTE]

If I'm ever in VA, we might have to try it.
 
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