[quote name='dmaul1114']And they'd be wrong. Allowing gay marriage doesn't force them to do anything or ban them from doing anything. It just offends them. Banning gay marriage directly takes rights away from people. Forcing organized, teacher led prayer in schools isolates those with different beliefs in the room (I have no problem with voluntary student led prayer groups).[/quote]
That's basically what I was talking about. In groups. It would be insane to force an athiest teacher to lead a prayer, and I don't know anyone who is proposing that.
That's the difference. Conservatives want to directly take away rights or impose their beliefs. Liberals simply want these social issue left up to the individual and to hell with anyone offended by them having the right. People need to live their lives and not try to force others to share their values and beliefs. To each their own. Some issues are constitutional--like separation of church and state in regards to school prayer.
I think the words "over-generalizing" is an understatement here.
Much like the word "liberal" has been been vilified for those on the right, clearly the same is true for "conservative", as evident by your posts. It seems very much to me a massive misunderstanding.
Here we are walking a fine line where I think the majority of conservatives (even republicans, if you can call them conservative) agree with what I bolded. The fact that you believe otherwise shows the real sickness in this country of misunderstanding each other in general.
Most people, that consider themselves conservative, agree with your choice/freedom speech. IMO.
Most of these are things that shouldn't be dealt with at all, as they should be left to the individual or the constitution is clear (i..e separation of church and state=no organized, led prayer in schools).
I agree. And even if they need to be dealt with, I think it should be dealt with locally first, if possible.
But I can't take the view that all things should be open for all people to do at all times, and if people are offended, tough shit. Most people don't want to see public sex, for example, or especially their children to see it. That's why I feel it's important to rely on the local communities, as people of like mind usually congregate, let them set the standards and local policies they are comfortable with and least offended by.
[quote name='lilboo']It's kinda funny that these issues, are actually..issues..:lol:
Makes me really hate religion all together when people who are really religious feel that since they are so religious they have more/better morals than others and try and push their beliefs/views on them as well. It's just insane.
I just can't believe we've progressed this far in life, and yet, some of these issues have yet to be resolved. It's amazing.[/QUOTE]
I hate to use you as an example, lilboo, but this is what I'm talking about. We are in a culture war. And we are in this war because neither side can tolerate, learn to tolerate, or compromise.
Hate for religion leads to being intolerant of the religious. And vice versa.