PGR2 Download

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Okay...So I read on IGN that soon there will be a PGR2 download availabe...I go and look and sure enough there it is! But guess what? Its five bucks...is 7 new cars and ONE new map worth 5 bucks? I also have Links 2004 and one of the maps is 5$...I really hope this doesnt become the norm. for downloadable content...If I gotta pay 5 dollars everytime I want a new map or whatnot...Forget it...Im not gunna...How do you feel on this subject of exploiting us for every last dollar?
 
If it's gunna be $5 for some decent amount on content, fine. But so far I haven't seen a so called premium download that was actually premium, just a way for Micro$uck to milk more money out of us. Realistically, if I have to pay $5 for a download pack, then the pack should have enough content to be worth roughly 10% of the original game.
 
Well, they have to cover the cost of developing that content somehow. I will say that some of the premium downloads seem overpriced.

It could be worse you know...you could get jack shit.
 
Actually, let me expand a bit. It's not just a rip off because of how small the downloads are, but also because they want more money from us when really they prolly have most of the download content already completed when the game ships. How much does anyone wanna bet that they take things off the cutting room floor and save them, post them as downloads, and they charge for it?
 
I guess it could be worth it, but I'd have to like a game an awful lot to pay for a download. I'd like to know what the sales stats on premium content is, because they could potentially be just shooting themselves in the foot if they don't sell well.
 
I mean Id buy it if it was like 2 bucks but 5?...I mean how hard is it for them to make a golf course?...They have 2 for links now and they are 5$ a piece...Project Gotham seems more with it since there are 7 new cars...but still...five bucks could go towards my preorder for halo two :lol:
 
[quote name='sj41']That's complete b.s. It's unfair to buyers and shouldn't cost money. :bs:[/quote]

Sj41 I m on ur side...

We shouldn't pay to for it..... but now we are being force to buy the special add on.... Damn M$
 
I don't mind paying for dl content (because they do have costs to cover), but they have to make it worth it. Even though I play Links a lot online and such, $5 for one course never seemed like it was worth it. It should be $3 tops.
 
It's $5, and you get an entire city w/ 7 cars. It's definetly worth it. I wouldnt expect them to give all of this for free.

I wish Nintendo had these kind of offerings for games like Mario Kart and Mario Golf.
 
Most of the games I have seen have very little offered for the money. It should be a free download. If I buy the game for 30-50 bucks and pay for LIVE then the downloads should be free. PGR2 sounds like they are offering more than usual for the money.
 
Well a few things

1) M$ is testing waters here by offering this premium content for $5. If ALOT (say 5k) people buy into this, then MS has a winner here. Don't forget your only paying $50 a year for broadband only (aka little or no lag at all) cheat-free dedicated servers that are almost always up and reliable. Your already getting a bargain with Live as is. True, PS2 online is free, but remember free isn't forever. It could be worst, you could be Nintendo and not support online at all. *stops himself before he rants too much*

2) This isn't content ripped from your DVD. This is content they actually spent some time on. Your paying for their work.

3) It's $5. If all you do is play PGR2 everytime you go on XBox live then It's worth every penny. Is it not? If you hardly play PGR2 then It's not worth your money, just pretend the download doesn't even exist if that is the case.
 
I remember when the links course came out, there was a huge letter from the developers how much work it took to make. And that's why it cost money. I'm betting the PGR DLC cost money to develop because the cars are licenenced. Midtown maddness had like 12 new cars added to it for free. But all of them were fictional cars, if they had been licenced cars then I'm sure it would have cost money to download.

Don't let UBI spoil you, not every game will have 10+ DLC for free.
 
Here's a good solution, you don't think it's worth the money? Don't buy it, problem solved.

You morons that want everything for nothing? Grow up. Do you show up and work for free? Is your PC or bandwidth free? Was your Xbox free?

Why does Microsoft owe you anything? Why do developers owe you anything? Why should their work be given away? Don't want it, don't download it. How shaq fu'ing hard is that?

Don't like what I say? Have a heaping helping of PAD brand STFU.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Here's a good solution, you don't think it's worth the money? Don't buy it, problem solved.

You morons that want everything for nothing? Grow up. Do you show up and work for free? Is your PC or bandwidth free? Was your Xbox free?

Why does Microsoft owe you anything? Why do developers owe you anything? Why should their work be given away? Don't want it, don't download it. How shaq fu'ing hard is that?

Don't like what I say? Have a heaping helping of PAD brand STFU.[/quote]

I agree.

Do you honestly think its free to put in new cars. For every car they had to shell out dough to ferrari, chevy, bmw, and porsche. I would bet Ferrari and Porsche license fees are out of this world if they are never in gran turismo.
 
This is why I fear online gaming getting big on consoles. Microsoft, and Sony's dream is for a future console to be strictly downloaded games/pay per play. No problems with modded boxes playing copies if there's no disc to copy. If premium downloads succeed, look for them to up the ante.
 
Whenever free content is available I download it in an instant. Mechassault has several downloads and only 1 is $5. I would much rather get a whole bunch of things for free rather than paying $5 for something that could be free.

As for the work it takes to make it, that's why you have to pay money for the game. To cover the costs it took to make it. The money for the $5 should come from the $20 that Mechassault currently costs.
 
[quote name='bob_the_goon']This is why I fear online gaming getting big on consoles. Microsoft, and Sony's dream is for a future console to be strictly downloaded games/pay per play. No problems with modded boxes playing copies if there's no disc to copy. If premium downloads succeed, look for them to up the ante.[/quote] If it starts costing more to play video games than the new systems won't sell.
 
I think a more fair solution would be to provide all downloadable content for free to people that bought the game for full price when it was first released but then charge people that bought the game after the price is lowered to $29.99 to pay for some of the content like it is now.

This would give people incentive to buy the game when first released (which puts more money in the developers hands) and the people that bought the game for $29.99 would probably be more wiling to fork out another $5 than somebody that paid $50 (like I did for PGR 2). Microsoft would need to develop a way to register the game via Xbox Live when purchased, but I can't imagine that would be that difficult to set up.

Just my $.02.
 
^^ interesting point, free if you buy at release. hmmm. Where do you dl this new content? I put in PGR2 for the first time in 2 months, and it said it had to update, I hope that wasnt it!!!
 
[quote name='karmapolice620']THE GAME...haha just playin...hey all be on in a couple hours...wanna play?[/quote]

lakers/timberwolves on in 1.5 hours. Manimal is pissed at me too, I owe him a game of XIII...........
 
[quote name='BigNick']I didnt see that anywhere??? hmmm in the dashborad, or i the game?[/quote]


its in the game after you sign onto xbox live
 
I have an idea...

If no one buy the "premium download" then M$ will think that this marketing tactic won't work, so the will just give away for free
 
I think it's pretty unfair to charge for the DLC after you first have to purchase the game and purchase XBL to even have the oppurtunity to download the content. I agree with MissingData. Unless you truly feel it is worth the money, don't do it. They will eventually learn to offer it for free. Look at Epic Games and Unreal Tournament on pc. They offered several map packs for free after the release of the first UT, simply because they wanted to keep their online audience happy. If MS wants to keep their Live customers, then they need to make sure they don't abuse them like this.
 
Downloadable content is about %10 of my decision to get xbox live. I like the competition, and being able to play my friends.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Here's a good solution, you don't think it's worth the money? Don't buy it, problem solved.

You morons that want everything for nothing? Grow up. Do you show up and work for free? Is your PC or bandwidth free? Was your Xbox free?

Why does Microsoft owe you anything? Why do developers owe you anything? Why should their work be given away? Don't want it, don't download it. How shaq fu'ing hard is that?

Don't like what I say? Have a heaping helping of PAD brand STFU.[/quote]

Stop throwing your little temper tantrum and listen up. This isn't something where we can test it or see if it's worth our money or not - this is a blind buy, where all we can do is look at the internet opinions of other people who bought it....and internet opinions don't tell you dick. Site A loves it, Site B thinks it sucks.

"Do you show up and work for free?"

Nope. But it's not like XBL hasn't sent out free stuff in the past that's just as substantial as PGR2's stuff (Rainbow Six 3, Midtown Madness)

"Why does Microsoft owe you anything? Why do developers owe you anything?"

Because if we didn't buy their system and games, Sony would have humiliated them?

They don't necessarily owe us, but it's not like giving it to us for free is the unfeasible situation that you make it out to be. Charging for bonus content is a disturbing trend that appears to be growing.

I just want to be able to "try it before you buy it," and only an idiot would not. Hey, if you ENJOY being bent over and screwed up the butt, that's certainly your perrogative. Me, I'm not into that kind of thing.
 
I agree, you should be able to at least ry it first. If a five day evaluation was available, then everyone could make their own decision wheather or not to keep it. People will get pissed if they start shelling out extra money for crap.
 
just download the friggin thing...its only $5. i mean, i know this is cheap ass gamer, but if you have the money for a computer, an xbox, pgr2, xbox live, and a broadband connection, then $5 isnt that much. its not like anyone on here will go poor spending $5; if that was the case then we wouldn't be on here buying video games, we would be out trying to make enough money just to have food on the table.

stop complaining about the pack and get over it.
 
[quote name='BigNick']Its funny that you want to try it before you buy it, but so we have that privlage when we are buying games? no.[/quote]

we do...blockbuster, hollywood video, etc....that would still cost money though

most stores also have games set up to try and im sure if you knew someone at one of the stores they could put the game in the kiosk that you wanted to try
 
[quote name='sj41']Whenever free content is available I download it in an instant. Mechassault has several downloads and only 1 is $5. I would much rather get a whole bunch of things for free rather than paying $5 for something that could be free.

As for the work it takes to make it, that's why you have to pay money for the game. To cover the costs it took to make it. The money for the $5 should come from the $20 that Mechassault currently costs.[/quote]

You pay for the initial version not the update think of it like an expansion pack. Maybe epic is just nice but is far from the reality of game development. You can't expect someone to make more of a game for free.

Lets turn this all around would you make a pack of tracks and some cars for free??? What the heck is your insentive you already got the money. Nobody is gonna just do something for you so your happy.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Here's a good solution, you don't think it's worth the money? Don't buy it, problem solved.

You morons that want everything for nothing? Grow up. Do you show up and work for free? Is your PC or bandwidth free? Was your Xbox free?

Why does Microsoft owe you anything? Why do developers owe you anything? Why should their work be given away? Don't want it, don't download it. How shaq fu'ing hard is that?

Don't like what I say? Have a heaping helping of PAD brand STFU.[/quote]

I think their work is fully paid for in the thousands and millions of $50 games they sell. If a company sells 1 million copies of a game at $50 a pop, that's $50 million right there. Some movies don't even gross that much.

Shenmue cost around $20 million to make, and that is still the most expensive game to make. Do the math. Even after a few million dollars worth of advertising and production, they will still come out with profit. And that is just selling a measly 1 million copies. Most games are also sold in Europe and Asia, so those numbers increase everywhere you go and so do the profits.

All this talk about paying for downloadable content is crap to me. If I'm paying $50 a year or whatever for Xbox Live, then I should get all the downloadable content I want with it. Microsoft needs to work out some deal with the companies that offer downloadable content if they really want to get reimbursed.

A MMORPG is a different situation. It takes a lot of people to keep that going, so $10 a month is reasonable. But not $5 just for a few cars and a damn map. That is lame.

I think the gaming industry is trying to justify making gamers spend even more of their money. Microsoft has proven that online gaming can be profitable, but I don't think paying for content is the way to go. The game companies make enough money as it is off selling the game.

I've said it before. If a direct-to-video DVD can be sold at $15 each and the company still turn a profit, then that should show us gamers a thing or two.

How many games do you really think cost more to make than a movie? Probably not many. I firmly believe most game companies can make a profit if they sold their games at $20 a piece. They just don't want to do it because they've conditioned us to pay $50 for a damn CD.

Think about it for a minute. Why aren't we paying that much for DVDs? Sure the movie companies make money when it's in theaters, but the DVDs is where they make a lot of their money.

If gamers started talking with our wallets, companies will listen. Most people here don't buy brand new games, and I believe that's a good thing. Make them mark the prices down so it's easier on us. They will still make their money.

So the next time you lay down $50 on a game, think about it for a minute or two and ask yourself if it's really worth it.
 
In terms of the money it costs to liscense cars, there are plenty of games (mainly GranTruismo) that come with 100+ cars in the game and they dont exceed the cost of the average game.
 
[quote name='hutno']In terms of the money it costs to liscense cars, there are plenty of games (mainly GranTruismo) that come with 100+ cars in the game and they dont exceed the cost of the average game.[/quote]

thats becasue there is probably only a 5-6 companies they have to pay to use all those cars.
 
[quote name='BULL_Ship']Lets turn this all around would you make a pack of tracks and some cars for free??? What the heck is your insentive you already got the money. Nobody is gonna just do something for you so your happy.[/quote]

1) keeping people interested in the game
2) if they give it away for free pgr2, people might be more inclined to buy a "pgr3" if they offer free d/l's
3) people might also be more inclined to sign up for their xbox live service if they can d/l free content

:lol:

EDIT: i can see both sides of the story though :? maybe m$ should make their games $29.99 or $39.99 retail and then offer d/l content for $5 each... something to that effect? that way, peeps aren't spending $50 dollars for a new game, and then spending even more money on it in the future. :idea:
 
[quote name='doraemonkerpal'][quote name='BULL_Ship']Lets turn this all around would you make a pack of tracks and some cars for free??? What the heck is your insentive you already got the money. Nobody is gonna just do something for you so your happy.[/quote]

1) keeping people interested in the game
2) if they give it away for free pgr2, people might be more inclined to buy a "pgr3" if they offer free d/l's
3) people might also be more inclined to sign up for their xbox live service if they can d/l free content

:lol:[/quote] Insentives are great, aren't they. :D
 
It's incentive.

Look at the number of free downloads already available. You can count the number of premium downloads on one hand.
 
[quote name='rywateska']Couldn't you just get a friend to pay for the content, and just use a memory card to copy the files over?[/quote]

Now this I need to find out!
 
I'm not sure if the content is tied to a XBL account or not. I'm thinking no because some of the demo discs, especially from OXM, have some of the free content for download.

The trick would be getting the files to save to a memory card. Some of those downloads are frickin' huge.
 
Knowing Microsoft, they probably don't let you transfer downloaded stuff with a memory card...but, also knowing Microsoft, there is probably a way around it!
 
[quote name='retroguru']Knowing Microsoft, they probably don't let you transfer downloaded stuff with a memory card...but, also knowing Microsoft, there is probably a way around it![/quote]

Its tied to you live account. You cant just move the files. Its also signed to your system. This is the same reason why you cant move files across even if they are free like the splinter cell levels.

[quote name='doraemonkerpal']
1) keeping people interested in the game
2) if they give it away for free pgr2, people might be more inclined to buy a "pgr3" if they offer free d/l's
3) people might also be more inclined to sign up for their xbox live service if they can d/l free content
[/quote]

1 They don't care whos interested if they already got the game. They already payed for live and the game no additional money can be obtained here.
2 The people got 1 free car so there you go. Plus if they like the game they will get the sequal. If they didn't like the game why would they care whether or not it had download content.
3 Not likely the people that know the content exists probably have live or can't get live(no broadband) This isn't going to be on the cover of a magazine or on some ad at bestbuy so these could only be effects caused by word of mouth.

In all of these examples none is a source of substantial bread now or in the future. Obviously your still used to the free lunch deals of the pc world with Epic Games being the biggest of the spoilers but pay content is the future and you can take it or leave it.
 
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