PlayStation 4 - General Discussion Thread

Yea I am looking forward to spending time playing it.  Will Platinum it over the weekend and trade it in for $40 at Bestbuy...  $10 rental even though I used gift cards to but it.

 
RBK said:
Most tired argument ever.
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not really, i mean, forza is the only real exclusive. the others are on PC. when people ask what ps4 exclusives are good, i dont ever see mention of games that are also on PC. i wouldnt consider a game like the binding of isaac rebirth a ps4 exclusive, cuz its not.

 
To say it's not an Xbox exclusive if it's on PC is really silly to me. The larger a market, the more money that can be made. When a game is made by Microsoft (primarily a software company), it makes sense that the game would come out on their software. If Sony made Windows, would we still be having this conversation?
 
[quote name="Pliskin" post="12518642" timestamp="1424449920"]Yes, I hear guys say LBP3 is not a real PS4 "exclusive" since its on the PS3.[/quote]
Really? Those people are idiots then. If it's multiplatform but only out on your console, it's exclusive. At least in my book.
 
Fearia said:
Really? Those people are idiots then. If it's multiplatform but only out on your console, it's exclusive. At least in my book.
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You would think. But several games seem to be forgotten. People shrugged off LBP3 because it was on PS3, then games like Akibas Trip and Natural Doctrine came out in the last few months too, but nobody counts those.

Hell, people act like The Order is the first exclusive this year and forget Guilty Gear.

Its one thing if those games dont interest you, its another to deny their existance.
 
Fearia said:
Really? Those people are idiots then. If it's multiplatform but only out on your console, it's exclusive. At least in my book.
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I guess people feel that if you dont need a Xbone to play Titanfall, DR3, Ryse, FH2, ROTR, and Ori then how is it an exclusive? People just think differently.

 
[quote name="4thHorseman" post="12518735" timestamp="1424451186"]You would think. But several games seem to be forgotten. People shrugged off LBP3 because it was on PS3, then games like Akibas Trip and Natural Doctrine came out in the last few months too, but nobody counts those.

Hell, people act like The Order is the first exclusive this year and forget Guilty Gear.

Its one thing if those games dont interest you, its another to deny their existance.[/quote]
The only thing I can think of is that perhaps these people think that it doesn't count if it isn't a "next gen" experience? Personally, I don't get it.
 
Ok then, Mixer23 here to throw down some factoids...

If you want to avoid semantics and call a game exclusive just because it's not on another platform, let's dig a little deeper.

If you take a look at Metacritic(as so many of you are keen to do), remove all downloadable titles, break it down by the "favorable" review group (average score of 75 or better), XBO has four, which are:

Titanfall - 86

Forza Horizon 2 - 86

Sunset Overdrive - 81

Dead Rising 3 - 78

While PS4 has:

The Last of Us Remastered - 95

Infamous: Second Son - 80

LitteBigPlanet 3 - 79

So as you can see, XBO only has one more exclusive than PS4 that is "good" according to metacritic... I'd hardly call that "Way more quality exclusives than PS4".

Now, I totally ignore Metacritic when deciding what games I like and want to play, but this was just for some of you that like to argue otherwise... And seem to think that the numbers are more heavily skewed than they actually are.

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I didn't want to include Vita ports, as well, obvious reasons.  But, I managed to forget The Show 14 - which actually evens the odds.  How about that?  Peace!

 
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Honestly you can go either way... if you count cross platform, remasters, PC games, then both systems have a decent amount of exclusives with really no killer IP just yet.  If you don't include those they are still similar in amount of exclusives.  I would honestly put Sunset on the same level as Infamous, Titanfall on the same level as Killzone... etc.

Depending on which side of the so called "battle" you are you make whatever rules you want to make your side look better, I.E. Xbox has more exclusives even though every game is either on 360 or PC.  Same as Playstation.

The fact is both console won't really have a big exclusive until fall... however if bloodborne does well, it could be the first ultra successful and best received exclusive so far this gen.

 
I think the term exclusive is pretty clear cut. You can't  call a game exclusive to Xbox One if it's available on other platforms---even if they are in the Microsoft family.

You can say it's exclusive to microsoft or to Xbox but you certainly can't say it's exclusive to Xbox One Hardware when in most instances, the games listed above, just aren't. Sorry if that makes you upset.

 
Mixer23 said:
Ok then, Mixer23 here to throw down some factoids...

If you want to avoid semantics and call a game exclusive just because it's not on another platform, let's dig a little deeper.

If you take a look at Metacritic(as so many of you are keen to do), remove all downloadable titles, break it down by the "favorable" review group (average score of 75 or better), XBO has four, which are:

Titanfall - 86
Forza Horizon 2 - 86
Sunset Overdrive - 81
Dead Rising 3 - 78

While PS4 has:

The Last of Us Remastered - 95
Infamous: Second Son - 80
LitteBigPlanet 3 - 79

So as you can see, XBO only has one more exclusive than PS4 that is "good" according to metacritic... I'd hardly call that "Way more quality exclusives than PS4".


Now, I totally ignore Metacritic when deciding what games I like and want to play, but this was just for some of you that like to argue otherwise... And seem to think that the numbers are more heavily skewed than they actually are.

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I didn't want to include Vita ports, as well, obvious reasons. But, I managed to forget The Show 14 - which actually evens the odds. How about that? Peace!
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Mater Chief Collection?
 
Wow when you look at just true xbox one exclusives, there are only like 3 big titles...  Sunset, Forza, Kinect Rivals...  Everything else is on 360 or computer....

And people think MS is winning the exclusive contest...

 
It should also be noted that 2 of those 4 Xbox One games sold terribly despite scoring well on Metacritic which seems to go against what you're saying that Metacritic could affect sales.

On the "Exclusives" subject. If a game is Xbox One/PC I'd still call it exclusive since it is still a console exclusive and a lot of people don't game on PC if they already game on a console. That being said I've come to realize it's really stretching the term when you want to go and say games that are XB1/XB360/PC are "Exclusive". Exclusive has usually meant you could only play it on one console and since this generation started it seems like some people are trying to stretch out exactly what "Exclusive" should be interpreted as.

 
bestkeeper14 said:
Wow when you look at just true xbox one exclusives, there are only like 3 big titles... Sunset, Forza, Kinect Rivals... Everything else is on 360 or computer....

And people think MS is winning the exclusive contest...
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Well, Forza Horizon (1 and 2) came out on 360 too. I believe that 2 (not sure on 1), had a different engine and dev team than the X1 version, but technically it did see a 360 release too.
 
Pliskin said:
I guess people feel that if you dont need a Xbone to play Titanfall, DR3, Ryse, FH2, ROTR, and Ori then how is it an exclusive? People just think differently.
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Just for your case, have you personally purchased(not played) any of these games on 360 or PC? Also, what is Rise of the Tomb Raider when all I've ever seen it considered throughout this thread and the internet period is an "timed exclusive" when it's available on 360 Day 1? Serious questions because people are using the word to their own convenience.

Because to not consider games like Halo 1/2, KOTOR 1/2, L4D 1/2(to a lesser extent), Gears 1, Alan Wake, Jade Empire, the first Mass Effect, and many more games not exclusive because I can play them on PC is borderline silly, Most PC gamers don't game on consoles and the same can be said vice versa, it's two different markets.

As far as cross-gen games, no one was looking forward to playing games like FH2 or Titanfall on 360 when they've been marketed as next-gen games from the start. Even for those who play these games on a 360 for their own reasons, I think it's safe to say a good majority would much rather enjoy the "next-gen" experience even if it isn't wildly different. You can look at Destiny sales as an example.

 
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[quote name="Kazeno Katana" post="12519054" timestamp="1424456423"]Interesting how you've made 4 posts on a subject you "Don't really care" about. Why not just say that at the start?[/quote]
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I can't enjoy pointing out the ridiculousness.
 
the wiki for xbox games categorizes games perfectly.  There is exclusive (xbox one only), Company exclusive (MS platforms: xbox, xbox one, PC) and console exclusives (Xbox and xbox one)...So really MS has a lot of Company and console exclusives while Playstation has mostly Exclusive and what would be their closest, company exclusive (PC, PS4).

 
I just picked up my Order CE, the statue is pretty nice looking. Steelbook is okay, could be better IMO.

RBK said:
Just for your case, have you personally purchased(not played) any of these games on 360 or PC? Also, what is Rise of the Tomb Raider when all I've ever seen it considered throughout this thread and the internet period is an "timed exclusive" when it's available on 360 Day 1? Serious questions because people are using the word to their own convenience.
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Didn't purchase any of them but played a few, I might buy Ori on my 360 since that game looks awesome. But look, some people dont consider games that can be played on other platforms true exclusives. Dont have to agree with them.

 
Of course I'm not going to agree, but people are using the word to justify what it means to them.  Because if I want to use that same logic:

TLOU Remastered

Master Chief Collection

MLB the Show 14

Grim Fandango/Ratchet and Clank Remastered

are not exclusives, and I could be missing a few games as well.

The whole "I can just play it on 360/PC " is tired when gamers don't follow through with that action.

 
Mixer23 said:
Interesting... Why do you say that?

I'm about halfway through and have been enjoying it. It's no GotY but it's also not the 6/10 that people are saying... The game is a solid 8 IMO.
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I feel like Art, World, Graphics is top notch, and that to me is wonderful! I love it. The story was also very good. I like the twisty turny plots.

I wasn't pleased with with the stealth mechanics, the shooting seemed like any generic FPS, and the ending as well irritated me to no end.

I don't think everything else was up to par with the looks of the, but it is a great base for people to see. So hopefully more games from them will have the same look, with way better gameplay.

 
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Mako1215 said:
I feel like Art, World, Graphics is top notch, and that to me is wonderful! I love it. The story was also very good. I like the twisty turny plots.

I wasn't pleased with with the stealth mechanics, the shooting seemed like any generic FPS, and the ending as well irritated me to no end.

I don't think everything else was up to par with the looks of the, but it is a great base for people to see. So hopefully more games from them will have the same look, with way better gameplay.
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Gotcha, I haven't gotten to the ending yet so that may end up souring me.

I get that the game wasn't as great as people hoped, but I don't understand why critics are trashing it quite so much. Visuals, sound & story are fantastic to me thus far. Gameplay can be a bit bland at times and yes(when you aren't using the science weapons) it is quite generic. However, everything functions just fine and seems very well polished... And nothing is broken.

People handing out 4's and 5's make me think a game is either horribly boring, rendering it unplayable - or horribly broken, eliciting the same outcome. This game is neither(again, not great) so I don't quite get it. I really hope RAD gets another crack at it as I see loads of potential and would very much like to see the follow up effort.

 
Mixer23 said:
Gotcha, I haven't gotten to the ending yet so that may end up souring me.

I get that the game wasn't as great as people hoped, but I don't understand why critics are trashing it quite so much. Visuals, sound & story are fantastic to me thus far. Gameplay can be a bit bland at times and yes(when you aren't using the science weapons) it is quite generic. However, everything functions just fine and seems very well polished... And nothing is broken.

People handing out 4's and 5's make me think a game is either horribly boring, rendering it unplayable - or horribly broken, eliciting the same outcome. This game is neither(again, not great) so I don't quite get it. I really hope RAD gets another crack at it as I see loads of potential and would very much like to see the follow up effort.
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I think it is deserving of a high 6 low 7 out of 10. 4 or 5 is an automatic no just because of the polish, world, graphics, and story.

 
I just finished the game up and yea I agree with Gametrailers it is a solid 8. I very much enjoyed the story and the graphics were probably the best this gen has had to offer on par with Second Son if not a bit better. I can't wait to see the new Uncharted and Final Fantasy. Being able to free roam in terrain that looks this good will be insane.

 
Finished it a couple hours ago, I stand by my solid grade of 8 as well.

There's absolutely nothing horribly wrong with the game, it's just not the 10/10 must play that most were hoping for. If you go in with reasonable expectations as I did then I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
whodoneit said:
Anyone picking up xenoverse this week?
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Still debating if il be getting it. That preorder bonus ss4 vegeta looks tempting but i wonder if you can unlock it in the game. Mind you this game will have dlcs coming out too so im not sure if shelling out a full price is good at tjis point.
 
Just beat The Order, and I would give it a 7. The combat felt surprisingly good at times, but the level design was really bad. The story was okay but the ending was horrible
I hate QTE endings

The fact that there's no replay value and its relatively short also adds to my score. Anywho, I think they have a strong foundation and I would like to see a sequel at some point if they can fix some of the problems from the first. Now bring on Bloodborne.

 
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I don't understand why a game loses points because their isn't any re-playability. If the story was great and everything else was there why does it lose points?

I don't think Uncharted games really had great re-playability but I dont see people saying it wasnt great because of it

 
Deader2818 said:
I don't understand why a game loses points because their isn't any re-playability. If the story was great and everything else was there why does it lose points?

I don't think Uncharted games really had great re-playability but I dont see people saying it wasnt great because of it
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I'm probably in the minority but I can't be bothered to play games multiple times. Of the hundreds of game I own from last gen the only one I have played multiple times to completion is RE5 and that is just because it had offline co-op and was something both my girlfriend and I could do together in the same room on the same TV.

I'm not in favor of shortening games but I think scores should be based on a single play through. If you want to add/dock points because of multiplayer (or lack thereof) then fine but the "replayability" factor is a little odd to me.

 
GBAstar said:
I'm probably in the minority but I can't be bothered to play games multiple times. Of the hundreds of game I own from last gen the only one I have played multiple times to completion is RE5 and that is just because it had offline co-op and was something both my girlfriend and I could do together in the same room on the same TV.

I'm not in favor of shortening games but I think scores should be based on a single play through. If you want to add/dock points because of multiplayer (or lack thereof) then fine but the "replayability" factor is a little odd to me.
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This.

There were so many fantastic games last generation(most of which I still own), and do you know how many I replayed? Only two: Uncharted 2 & MGS4. I can't be bothered to replay games very often just because I value my free time so much and there are constantly more and more games coming out... Plus, gaming isn't my only interest/hobby. I've got 4-5 PS4 games I haven't even started and I've barely scratched the surface of a few others, including Dragon Age Inquisition.

I can certainly see how others who may not be able to afford as many games as me might want to get the most bang for their buck, but I don't think that should be the end-all be-all deciding factor. It also sucks that because of sites like Metacritic that games like the Order won't garner as much sales as it could have... I'm confident that many who decided to snub their nose at it would actually end up liking it if they would just give it a shot. Unfortunately that is the way the industry runs right now.

 
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Mixer23 said:
This.

There were so many fantastic games last generation(most of which I still own), and do you know how many I replayed? Only two: Uncharted 2 & MGS4. I can't be bothered to replay games very often just because I value my free time so much and there are constantly more and more games coming out... Plus, gaming isn't my only interest/hobby. I've got 4-5 PS4 games I haven't even started and I've barely scratched the surface of a few others, including Dragon Age Inquisition.

I can certainly see how others who may not be able to afford as many games as me might want to get the most bang for their buck, but I don't think that should be the end-all be-all deciding factor. It also sucks that because of sites like Metacritic that games like the Order won't garner as much sales as it could have... I'm confident that many who decided to snub their nose at it would actually end up liking it if they would just give it a shot. Unfortunately that is the way the industry runs right now.
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+1 the only games I'm likely to replay are games like infamous but, that's mostly because it's fun to goof around in the world.

 
Deader2818 said:
I don't understand why a game loses points because their isn't any re-playability. If the story was great and everything else was there why does it lose points?

I don't think Uncharted games really had great re-playability but I dont see people saying it wasnt great because of it
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I guess I should've worded it differently. I mean I dont want to go back and experience it again, games like UC and TLOU I knew immediately after beating them that I was going to go back and replay it again at some point cuz they were so good. I didnt get that with The Order, It was just a one and done thing for me.

8bitArtist said:
hotline miami 2 rumored to come out march 10th :D/
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Yesss!!! Hope that's true.

 
8bitArtist said:
hotline miami tweeted a phone number that when called, was just a garbled message with the word MARCH clearly audible. add that to the ext 10 that was at the end of the number and you get tuesday march 10th.
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That's a pretty sweet way to announce the release date actually. I have the first one, but never got around to putting time into it.
 
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