PlayStation 4 - General Discussion Thread

The less devices I need, the better. I'm glad my gaming console isn't just for gaming and has other uses like Netflix, Hulu, HBO GO, etc. I saw some of Apples event today and they announced HBO NOW will be an Apple TV exclusive, which is disappointing because it means I would need to buy and find space for another device if I want that service.

 
Fearia said:
But you still can do that. And more.
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It's not the same.

I have a tablet, computer, laptop, phone and other devices for all of that stuff. I don't need it on my console and I think that most people don't touch anything else either, Netflix aside. It's just those who are more outspoken on the internet that make it seem like I'm the minority. Most average console gamers don't even know what DLNA or .avi mean.

 
But dude...  screw Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/HBO Go... what I really want is to be able to stream my pirated media from my laptop (or anything else that they don't have because I just want something to complain about)

But seriously it's extremely safe to say that between what I listed above and blu-ray drive satisfies the majority of what gets used to play media in the average home.

 
So, innovation is bad now?

Man, who possibly would use features like YouTube, Twitch, game recording, voice chat, among many other non pure "gaming" features?

I really don't get the argument AGAINST having features. Seriously?
 
Fearia said:
So, innovation is bad now?

Man, who possibly would use features like YouTube, Twitch, game recording, voice chat, among many other non pure "gaming" features?

I really don't get the argument AGAINST having features. Seriously?
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I'm not saying innovation is bad, what is bad is when we get to a point where we overlook the main point of these consoles and then complain when niche features are ignored.

To answer your question though, 80% of people don't use or care about any of those features you mentioned aside from voice chat. Those things aren't as critical as you think.
 
Mixer23 said:
I'm not saying innovation is bad, what is bad is when we get to a point where we overlook the main point of these consoles and then complain when niche features are ignored.

To answer your question though, 80% of people don't use or care about any of those features you mentioned aside from voice chat. Those things aren't as critical as you think.
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Game developers do one thing and that's develop games. It's sony's job to market and sell the console so that it's in the homes of more people to sell games too. The ability to basically have an apple tv on my tv without having an extra device is a major selling point. And the xbox one is a better media center than the ps4 right now. It might not matter to some but it matters to me.

 
[quote name="Mixer23" post="12557381" timestamp="1425932957"]I'm not saying innovation is bad, what is bad is when we get to a point where we overlook the main point of these consoles and then complain when niche features are ignored.

To answer your question though, 80% of people don't use or care about any of those features you mentioned aside from voice chat. Those things aren't as critical as you think.[/quote]
Source of this mythical 80%? Just saying, most people I know use Netflix along with the recording of gameplay. On both consoles.

If someone looks hard enough, they'll find a reason to complain about anything. I just find it ludicrous to complain about "it does more than just play games"! Innovation is good. Adding features is good.

Side note: I don't care so much that X console does this, but Y doesn't. I just find the argument AGAINST adding features really laughable.
 
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GBAstar said:
But dude... screw Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/HBO Go... what I really want is to be able to stream my pirated media from my laptop (or anything else that they don't have because I just want something to complain about)

But seriously it's extremely safe to say that between what I listed above and blu-ray drive satisfies the majority of what gets used to play media in the average home.
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Exactly, that dude is talking like there's no fucking media features at all. The essentials are in place already and there will be more shit added on in the future for sure. Most of the stuff he's mentioning is standard and gaming related anyway.

 
Fearia said:
Source of this mythical 80%? Just saying, most people I know use Netflix along with the recording of gameplay. On both consoles.

If someone looks hard enough, they'll find a reason to complain about anything. I just find it ludicrous to complain about "it does more than just play games"! Innovation is good. Adding features is good.

Side note: I don't care so much that X console does this, but Y doesn't. I just find the argument AGAINST adding features really laughable.
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I'm complaining about the complaining for the most part, I couldn't care less what does and doesn't get added. It's just not for me.

Also, you're kidding yourself if you think game recording gets used by most. Most gamers have probably never used it, and a large part of those who have probably only used it a few times or very infrequently at best. It's hardly a necessity.
 
Mixer23 said:
It's not the same.

I have a tablet, computer, laptop, phone and other devices for all of that stuff. I don't need it on my console and I think that most people don't touch anything else either, Netflix aside. It's just those who are more outspoken on the internet that make it seem like I'm the minority. Most average console gamers don't even know what DLNA or .avi mean.
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You underestimate the power of the torrent in 2015.

 
So basically, in this discussion, people are upset that their consoles don't act like their computers.... gotcha.

That being said I thought Sony could breathe new life into their Vita if they would rerelease it with an android OS.

 
GBAstar said:
So basically, in this discussion, people are upset that their consoles don't act like their computers.... gotcha.

That being said I thought Sony could breathe new life into their Vita if they would rerelease it with an android OS.
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Or at least an operating system more consistent with PS4's new OS... I hate the bubbles... and the lack of apps.... and the lack of really anything. The Vita is so under rated, I love it and there is so much potential, but no one gives it a chance.

 
[quote name="Mixer23" post="12557476" timestamp="1425935294"]I'm complaining about the complaining for the most part, I couldn't care less what does and doesn't get added. It's just not for me.

Also, you're kidding yourself if you think game recording gets used by most. Most gamers have probably never used it, and a large part of those who have probably only used it a few times or very infrequently at best. It's hardly a necessity.[/quote]
Really? So, a button is dedicated to a feature that most people don't use?

Again, I'd love to see your sources. I take the massive spike in gaming videos on YouTube as evidence enough that it's used pretty frequently by more than a "niche market".
 
[quote name="bestkeeper14" post="12557502" timestamp="1425935764"]Or at least an operating system more consistent with PS4's new OS... I hate the bubbles... and the lack of apps.... and the lack of really anything. The Vita is so under rated, I love it and there is so much potential, but no one gives it a chance.[/quote]
I like the OS. My only complaint is the lack of storage. I can't find physical copies of games for the life of me, and the storage is pricey!
 
Fearia said:
Really? So, a button is dedicated to a feature that most people don't use?

Again, I'd love to see your sources. I take the massive spike in gaming videos on YouTube as evidence enough that it's used pretty frequently by more than a "niche market".
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If you really think most people use that feature, then not only are you grossly mistaken, but there's nothing I can say to dissuade you. I don't have any sources as I don't need them, all I have to do is exhibit common sense to see that almost none of both the casual and dudebro market use it. I'm about as hardcore as they come and I don't use it. None of my friends or family use it. People even make fun of it being a button due to most not ever using it. It's not hard to figure it out. Again, it's a case of a vocal minority seeming to be the majority when it's far from the truth.

I'm done arguing though, if you want to retort then I won't reply... This discussion has hijacked the thread enough as it is.
 
Mixer23 said:
If you really think most people use that feature, then not only are you grossly mistaken, but there's nothing I can say to dissuade you. I don't have any sources as I don't need them, all I have to do is exhibit common sense to see that almost none of both the casual and dudebro market use it. I'm about as hardcore as they come and I don't use it. None of my friends or family use it. People even make fun of it being a button due to most not ever using it. It's not hard to figure it out. Again, it's a case of a vocal minority seeming to be the majority when it's far from the truth.

I'm done arguing though, if you want to retort then I won't reply... This discussion has hijacked the thread enough as it is.
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Yeah I don't believe most people use the share feature but, it beats the hell out of whatever the equivelent button on the xbox controller is that I don't even use. I don't even bother trying to share on my xbox one because it's too convoluted without kinect. But, yeah most people probably don't use the feature. It is pretty dang sweet though to be able to post to youtube directly from recorded video

 
Anybody playing ps4 dragonball xenoverse here? I hate that the game does not support remote play...like common! Its dbz!!! I wanna play super saiyan on my vita. Geez!
 
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Two words, regression testing. Every time you add more features into one object like the ps4 you will have to regression test every feature every time you do an update. It starts to detract from the core purpose of programming games on the console. Sure it seems really easy to add one app, but these things add up.
 
I will gladly take a one year Uncharted 4 delay to get a fucking media remote for my PS4 but I'm assuming I'm in the minority on this one lol.
 
Mixer23 said:
If you really think most people use that feature, then not only are you grossly mistaken, but there's nothing I can say to dissuade you. I don't have any sources as I don't need them, all I have to do is exhibit common sense to see that almost none of both the casual and dudebro market use it. I'm about as hardcore as they come and I don't use it. None of my friends or family use it. People even make fun of it being a button due to most not ever using it. It's not hard to figure it out. Again, it's a case of a vocal minority seeming to be the majority when it's far from the truth.

I'm done arguing though, if you want to retort then I won't reply... This discussion has hijacked the thread enough as it is.
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ive used the share button one time since ive had my ps4 (at launch) and that was because i was playing the binding of isaac rebirth, had a ridiculous set up and blazed through the boss rush mode in like 2 minutes and uploaded it to youtube. its a great feature for that
"one in a million" thing that happens and you can capture it, but thats really it.

 
A lot of people use the share button. A lot of people don't. We don't have exact figures so we just have to guess at it, and from the people I know who own PS4s and have used mine, I think each camp is full of plenty of people.

And it does not make sense to have a button on a controller that a lot of people won't use. Even if something like 40% of people use it, it still doesn't make sense. Not when it could've been added to an OS sub-menu that pops up when you press a combo of buttons or something. Not when it increases the cost for the other 60% of people who don't use it.

But the share button isn't even for the people who use it. The share button is actually for Sony. It's an "advertise for us" button. Sony added the share button so it would be easy for you to tell others about the experiences you're having so that they would want to have them too. It's basically an attempt at encouraging 'virality' (for lack of a better word). It isn't about you.

 
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[quote name="Das_Regal" post="12559537" timestamp="1426015665"]A lot of people use the share button. A lot of people don't. We don't have exact figures so we just have to guess at it, and from the people I know who own PS4s and have used mine, I think each camp is full of plenty of people.

And it does not make sense to have a button on a controller that a lot of people won't use. Even if something like 40% of people use it, it still doesn't make sense. Not when it could've been added to an OS sub-menu that pops up when you press a combo of buttons or something. Not when it increases the cost for the other 60% of people who don't use it.

But the share button isn't even for the people who use it. The share button is actually for Sony. It's an "advertise for us" button. Sony added the share button so it would be easy for you to tell others about the experiences you're having so that they would want to have them too. It's basically an attempt at encouraging 'virality' (for lack of a better word). It isn't about you.[/quote]
I'm not sure how them adding a button on a controller is adding a cost to people that don't use it lol
 
Das_Regal said:
But the share button isn't even for the people who use it. The share button is actually for Sony. It's an "advertise for us" button. Sony added the share button so it would be easy for you to tell others about the experiences you're having so that they would want to have them too. It's basically an attempt at encouraging 'virality' (for lack of a better word). It isn't about you.
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Yea I actually agree with this. I've taken lots of in game pictures to show friends what games look like.
 
You're assuming that adding the share button to each controller is the only expenditure. Share is built into the operating system from the ground up. There's an amazing amount of system resources tied up by the recording and integration. And they've poured a ton of effort into developing the software to make it all work too.

 
Das_Regal said:
You're assuming that adding the share button to each controller is the only expenditure. Share is built into the operating system from the ground up. There's an amazing amount of system resources tied up by the recording and integration. And they've poured a ton of effort into developing the software to make it all work too.
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wait, you mean just adding a button to the controller doesnt magically make it work suddenly?!?! PREPOSTEROUS!

 
Watched the first 2 episodes of Powers, pretty good show so far, if I wasn't so tired would watch the 3rd episode.

 
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Uncharted 4 delayed till next Spring.  Honestly, Colin Moriarty said it was going to happen the moment they showed the demo for it.

I am fine and I wonder if this means we are definitely getting the remaster collection to fill that gap?

 
bestkeeper14 said:
Uncharted 4 delayed till next Spring. Honestly, Colin Moriarty said it was going to happen the moment they showed the demo for it.

I am fine and I wonder if this means we are definitely getting the remaster collection to fill that gap?
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Came to post this.. like with Quantum Break, prefer them to make a better game than to rush out an unfinished broken product.

 
There goes the TR and UC head to head battle haha I hate delays but if they need more time to make a better game then Im all for it. I wonder what Sony will do for their fall lineup now. Im still disappointed but the reason I bought a PS4 is coming in two weeks so Im still a happy camper.

 
asspickle said:
There goes the TR and UC head to head battle haha I hate delays but if they need more time to make a better game then Im all for it. I wonder what Sony will do for their fall lineup now. Im still disappointed but the reason I bought a PS4 is coming in two weeks so Im still a happy camper.
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I've got both preordered anyway. Hopefully my credit card doesn't expire before Uncharted actually comes out. Now I'll have more time to focus on tomb raider.

 
I dont mind it. Last of Us was Delayed a few times and it turned out amazing. I rather it be delayed then come out and have issues.

That said, i wouldnt be shocked if an Uncharted Remaster takes its place this holiday

 
Playstation is getting their own gear (merchandise) store. If you're not already aware these are run by ThinkGeek now. Nothing that really interests me but lots of potential.

 
Pliskin said:
To me Uncharted screams big AAA fall release so watch that shit get delayed again. Sad. Hopefully Sony has some surprises for us at E3.
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I don't know, The Last of Us is about as big as they come and that dropped in early summer. It also did quite well critically and commercially, so I'm not really surprised or worried about Uncharted 4.

I do wonder what they will do to fill in the last half of the year. Perhaps some things that aren't officially announced yet?

 
Mixer23 said:
I don't know, The Last of Us is about as big as they come and that dropped in early summer. It also did quite well critically and commercially, so I'm not really surprised or worried about Uncharted 4.

I do wonder what they will do to fill in the last half of the year. Perhaps some things that aren't officially announced yet?
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likely. LBP 3 wasn't announced till 2014 e3 and came out nov 2014

 
Deader2818 said:
likely. LBP 3 wasn't announced till 2014 e3 and came out nov 2014
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That's what I'm thinking, wondering what it could be... Possible Uncharted Collection or maybe a reboot/sequel to an existing franchise. I suppose Hellblade could also be a fall release, with exclusivity ending in January.

 
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RBK said:
TLOU really isn't comparable considering the PS4 was on the horizon.
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I get what you mean, but I disagree. It was Sony's biggest release that year(arguably biggest release period if it weren't for GTA) and It was also by the same developer and was similar in design/style. PS4/XB1 may have been released in the same year, but neither really had a blockbuster release.

I think it's a perfectly reasonable comparison.

 
well there are STILL 5 studios that have yet to announce their PS4 games they are working on right now.  Gorilla, Santa Monica, Bend, media Molecule, Naughty Dog's other project... etc.

something i am sure is on the horizon for Fall release...

Last Guardian.....  :oldman:  :oldman:  :oldman:  :oldman:

 
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