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[quote name='H-Town Info']i dunno about chicago being a pretender. they couldn't stop freakin steve smith at all. true, the bears offense wasnt that great but they should had beaten the panthers. they could had just used tillman with press coverage and put a safety over the top to help out.[/quote]

Besides the Seahawks really no team stopped Steve Smith. I think the Bears are 'contenders' to win the weak NFC North but, I don't think they'll get out of the first round.
 
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The Seahawks managed losing half its defensive backfield for most of the year plus the big free agent LB. So i dont know, its all about depth and coaching.[/QUOTE]
Their injury situation was not nearly as bad as the Patriots and you know it. Don't even try to allege that Mike Holmgren is a better coach, its an insult to Bill and an insult to my intelligence.

The Seahawks didn't have 6 DB's on IR. Tyrone Poole was out for the year in week 1. Chad Scott and Rodney Harrison in week 3. Randall Gay and Guss Scott in week 5. Starks in week 7. They were down to a rookie (Ellis Hobbs), a street free agent (Artrell Hawkins), and Troy Brown, with only two guys remaining on the roster that were even regulars (only one of them a starter), Eugene Wilson and Asante Samuel. I would challenge any team in the NFL to lose 6 legit DB's for the year and do anything.
 
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The Seahawks managed losing half its defensive backfield for most of the year plus the big free agent LB. So i dont know, its all about depth and coaching.[/QUOTE]

like i said before, seahawks need another good CB opposite trufant. i dont think the guys behind trufant doesnt put fear to OCs. seahawks will use their 1st round pick on CB or Olineman.


also, woodson, law, and arrington are represented by the now suspended agent Carl Poston. those 3 players want so much money and thats why they havent been signed anywhere
 
one more thing, if the seahawks cut andre dyson b/c he sucked and injury prone, why didnt another other CBs behind start ahead of him on permanent basis?
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']one more thing, if the seahawks cut andre dyson b/c he sucked and injury prone, why didnt another other CBs behind start ahead of him on permanent basis?[/quote]

Try to work on your grammar man.


But football related, why doesn't Ricky Williams just quit football already. Is anyone else, other than Dolphin's fans, tired of him? This guy makes tons of money, bails, then comes back, and for what? To lose it again.

I guess "Money is the root of all evil" holds true for him.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Their injury situation was not nearly as bad as the Patriots and you know it. Don't even try to allege that Mike Holmgren is a better coach, its an insult to Bill and an insult to my intelligence.

The Seahawks didn't have 6 DB's on IR. Tyrone Poole was out for the year in week 1. Chad Scott and Rodney Harrison in week 3. Randall Gay and Guss Scott in week 5. Starks in week 7. They were down to a rookie (Ellis Hobbs), a street free agent (Artrell Hawkins), and Troy Brown, with only two guys remaining on the roster that were even regulars (only one of them a starter), Eugene Wilson and Asante Samuel. I would challenge any team in the NFL to lose 6 legit DB's for the year and do anything.[/QUOTE]

Who said i was saying Holmgren was a better coach? Untill your team does something without Romeo Crenel as the DC, then the jurys still out.
 
Jury's still out? Your crazy, I don't mean crazy as in cool, but crazy as in, your ass should be in a straight jacket.

The Patriots like dafoomie said lost their whole backfield, and their LB came back from a stroke and played admirably but not as good as he was, they lost David Patten in the off-season, and also lost their OC. No offense to any Broncos fans but the Patriots got robbed in that playoff game, those defensive pass inteference plays were nuts.

The Seahawks on the other hand didn't lose really anybody, Hamlin was got his ass beaten on the street outside a club. Last time I checked the 2/3 champs are the Patriots and until then the jurys out on the Seahawks until they win one.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Jury's still out? Your crazy, I don't mean crazy as in cool, but crazy as in, your ass should be in a straight jacket.

The Patriots like dafoomie said lost their whole backfield, and their LB came back from a stroke and played admirably but not as good as he was, they lost David Patten in the off-season, and also lost their OC. No offense to any Broncos fans but the Patriots got robbed in that playoff game, those defensive pass inteference plays were nuts.

The Seahawks on the other hand didn't lose really anybody, Hamlin was got his ass beaten on the street outside a club. Last time I checked the 2/3 champs are the Patriots and until then the jurys out on the Seahawks until they win one.[/QUOTE]

I didnt say the jury was out on the seahawks. The Pats were just not as good last year as previous years. But untill Billicheck can prove he can without his superbowl cordinators, then im not going to say hes the best coach in the NFL. He had bad years in cleveland prior to his NE regime, that's all im basing it on.

Would you say the Eagles would be the same without Jimmie Johnson and the Bucs would be the same without Monte Kiffin? The only point im making is its easier to rate a staff then a headcoach these days since more reponsbilities are on the hands on the cordinators then ever. IN some cases they are getting paid more then a HC.
 
Seymour has signed an extension, details to follow.

The Patriots hosted RB Laurence Maroney and WR Chad Jackson for workouts at Gillette. Both are expected to go in the 1st round.
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']I didnt say the jury was out on the seahawks. The Pats were just not as good last year as previous years. But untill Billicheck can prove he can without his superbowl cordinators, then im not going to say hes the best coach in the NFL. He had bad years in cleveland prior to his NE regime, that's all im basing it on.

Would you say the Eagles would be the same without Jimmie Johnson and the Bucs would be the same without Monte Kiffin? The only point im making is its easier to rate a staff then a headcoach these days since more reponsbilities are on the hands on the cordinators then ever. IN some cases they are getting paid more then a HC.[/QUOTE]

u r full of it
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Seymour has signed an extension, details to follow.

The Patriots hosted RB Laurence Maroney and WR Chad Jackson for workouts at Gillette. Both are expected to go in the 1st round.[/QUOTE]

thats good news for the pats. i dont really like maroney in the new england for some reason. i made my own mock draft and i think the patriots would choose deangelo williams b/c he's a strong featured back for new england and has enough speed to run it to the house.
 
my personal mock draft - theres a few surprises here and there.

1. Houston – Reggie Bush RB (the best playmaker in the draft. kubiak will get bush about 25+ touches a game through from running, catching, and the return game)
2. New Orleans – Matt Leinart QB (drew brees' shoulder is a question. Leinart has the potential to be the next Tom Brady type mold of a QB. good arm but very good accuracy and touch on his throws. N.O could also go to Super Mario)
3. Tennessee – Vince Young QB (take another version of mcnair to qb for the next 10 years. He's a playmaker with his arm and legs. he'll need a few years to become a pro qb since he played in a shotgun offense in UT)
4. New York Jets – D-brick Ferguson LT (franchise LT, a better version of Matt Light. pro bowler for 10 years)
5. Green Bay – A.J Hawk 4-3 SLB OR 3-4 ILB (the next urlacher, enough said)


6. San Francisco – Mario Williams 3-4 OLB or 4-3 RDE (so athletic to play coverage, run, and rushing the passer. he's going to be a pro bowler in his 2nd year)
7. Oakland – Vernon Davis TE (more weapons to who's QB at Oakland. could be a faster version of Antoino Gates)
8. Buffalo – Winston Justice LT (super talented if he's on his game, 10-year starter with possiblity to be a pro bowl player for 5-7 years)
9. Detroit – Michael Huff CB/S (the best DB in the draft, he just makes plays. he's fast and can tackle the hell out of anyone. Huff has perfect size and enough intangibles to play in any DB position)
10. Arizona – Jay Cutler QB (great value pick here, will take the reigns of Warner in his 3rd year)


11. St. Louis – Jimmy Williams CB/S (possible great pick here who can play any DB position. he has great size at 6-3 but didnt have a great senior year)
12. Cleveland – Brodrick Bunkley 3-4 DE OR 4-3 DT (very strong player, going to be a great player if he can stay consistant and out of trouble with guidance of Crennel in his 3-4 defense)
13. Baltimore – Haloti Ngata 3-4 NT OR 4-3 DT (Baltimore needs a huge run stuffer for Ray Lewis and Ed Reed to make tackles)
14. Philadelphia – Ernie Sims 4-3 WLB (a better version of Dexter Coakley, very athletic and instictive. he loves to deliver hits to anyone with the ball and strong enough to shed blockers. he could be a pro-bowl player in a couple of years. he's going to be a derrick brooks mole.)
15. Denver – Chad Jackson WR (great speed, runs nice routes, another weapon for plummer to get to the super bowl)


16. Miami – Tye Hill CB (nice CB with very nice speed. could be an antoine winfield CB who can play run and pass)
17. Minnesota – Chad Greenway 4-3 SLB (very good size and speed. i'm worried about him shedding blockers but he can tackle and blitz)
18. Dallas – Kamerion Wimbley 3-4 ROLB OR 4-3 RDE (parcells wants to win now and wants a great 3-4 olb to pair with Ware.)
19. San Diego – Marcus McNeill RT (Roman Oben is old and McNeill can help solidify the line to protect Rivers and open lanes for Tomlinson)
20. Kansas City – Antonio Cromertie CB (the biggest boom or bust pick here. he has all the tools and body for a shutdown corner. needs experience and durability is an issue.)


21. New England – DeAngelo Williams RB (great RB for New England who has breakaway speed and catch the ball out of the backfield. he does have a lot of carries under his belt though.
22. Denver – Lendal White RB (take the power back out of USC. White has been slipping down the boards lately but Denver is loving that he falls down to him. he and Bell will be dangerous mix if shanahan can keep him straight and focus)
23. Tamba Bay – Jason Allen CB/S (i think he could be a great cover 2 safety or corner. he has enough athleticism and ability to play any DB position. he's a playmaker on the field but can he stay away from the injury bug)
24. Cincinnati – Mercedes Lewis TE (with chris henry in big trouble, palmer needs another big weapon in his aresenal. Lewis can go over the middle and provide some relief to palmer. he's a jason witten type player in the NFL. he's going to the pro bowl at least once in his career)
25. New York Giants – Bobby Carpenter 4-3 SLB OR 3-4 OLB (giants need Lbs in a bad way. Carpenter was overshadowed by Hawk but he has enough abilities and playmaking skills to hold his own. he's a great talent if has a good coach b/c he doesnt shed blockers well and doesnt have good technique)


26. Chicago Bears – Donte Whitner CB/S (the bears D get even better. he could be the nickel back in the bears D starting out or play FS and move Mike Brown to SS)
27. Carolina – Thomas Howard 4-3 WLB (very fast and big WLB. he's a bit of raw LB and doesnt have much skill and technique as a Lb. good replacement for will witherspoon)
28. Jacksonville – DeMeco Ryans 4-3 SLB OR 3-4 LOLB (jaguars lost akin ayoelye to the cowgirls. Ryans is a nice replacement with the core of Peterson and Daryl Smith.
29. New York Jets – Manny Lawson RDE (nice replace for John Abraham, who has very fast speed in the 4.5 range. unlike abraham, he can play the run pretty well)
30. Indianapolis – Laurence Maroney RB (a nice replacement for the EDGE. he has ability to break it to the house unlike james. he has some good blitz pickup skills which EDGE did so well.)


31. Seattle – Jonathan Joesph CB (Seattle needs another good CB to play alongside with Trufant. he has great potential with the right coaching. he doesnt have good technique and tends to gamble too much)
32. Pittsburgh – Santonio Holmes WR - (great value pick for the SB champs. he has good speed and great agility. steelers wont miss randle el as much now. holmes could be the home-run threat that steelers need now.)


1st pick in the 2nd round
33. Houston – Eric Winston RT (great agile Tackle, who was a former TE. he had an ACL injury in 04 but bounced back nicely. winston could had been a top 10 pick if he didnt had the injury. great tackle for the zone-blocking scheme in houston and has great intangibles to hold himself in pass-protection)
 
Not too bad H-Town, I seem some things different.

my personal mock draft - theres a few surprises here and there.

1. Houston – Reggie Bush RB Obviously
2. New Orleans – D'Brick House, yes Brees is coming off surgery but I don't see NO in the situation their in paying 2 Qb's a crap load of money and they have what people call the next Walter Jones protecting their investment
3. Tennessee – Vince Young QB but hinges on McNair, if McNair is no more I switch to Leinart
4. New York Jets – Leinart gets what he wants.
5. Green Bay – Hawk, they've needed a 'franchise' LB for years


6. San Francisco – Mario Williams (I really hope this happends, the next Julius Peppers
7. Oakland – Haloti Ngata With Washington gone, and Sapp on the downside of his career I see the Raiders wanting more DT Help
8. Buffalo – Michael Huff, with Milloy gone they need a top tier CB
9. Detroit – Chad Jackson (I joke, I have them selecting Bunkly, to help the defense)
10. Arizona – Jay Cutler QB No Arguement here

11. St. Louis – Vernon Davis TE (Kid's a freak plain and simple)
12. Cleveland – Winston Justice OT (They need o-line help to protect Frye and Drougns is going to be a Pro-Bowler if he can get more help from that abysmal line)
13. Baltimore – Brodrick Bunkley, a very fast DT
14. Philadelphia – Chad Jackson (Need a replacement for T.O.)
15. Denver – Santonio Holmes (The most pro-level ready WR out there)


16. Miami – Tye Hill CB (From having one of the best backfield's ever, they need help, this pick also is WR if Holmes or Jackson fall)
17. Minnesota – DeAngelo Williams (I've loved this kid, so I guess i'm biased, but they need a RB who can A) Stay about of trouble and B) Run the ball)
18. Dallas – Chad Greenway OLB (2nd best LB behind Hawk, but not far behind)
19. San Diego – Kamerion Wimbley LB (With Edwards soon to be traded, they need a LB)
20. Kansas City – Antonio Cromertie CB (Huge Potential here, KC may look at Sinorice Moss here for a WR to replace old Kennison)


21. New England –Laurence Maroney RB (Has that Tatum Bell aspect where he can go to the House anytime)
22. Denver – Richard Marshall CB (Bailey has played well, but injured a lot, also look for a RB to may be selected)
23. Tamba Bay – Ernie Sims OLB (Even though he plays the outside, look for the Bucs to want to switch him to LB to learn from Derrick "Who's our favorite player?" Brooks
24. Cincinnati – Jason Allen CB (Lewis loves defense, hardworker but injury prone)
25. New York Giants – Demeco Ryans OLB (Offense seems fine, need a LB to help with the re-tooled backfield and this kid is athletic and fast)


26. Chicago Bears – Mercedes Lewis TE (May be Pope but Lewis is more NFL ready as of today)
27. Carolina – Bobby Carpenter LB (Hawk's wingman)
28. Jacksonville – Donte Whitner S (Obviously the Jags would love a WR seeing as how Williams is playing under-par and Smith is aging, but they need someone to roam downfield, that's where in the playoffs and many games they got killed)
29. New York Jets – Manny Lawson DE (They need D help, also could look at CB with no more Ty Law)
30. Indianapolis – Lendell White RB (Big body, I think out of the top 3 RB's he will be the best)


31. Seattle – Jonathan Joesph CB (Hamlin got injured)
32. Pittsburgh – Sinorice Moss WR (Has Randle El ability)

Whoops put Bunkley twice, w/e.
 
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12. Cleveland – Winston Justice OT (They need o-line help to protect Frye and Drougns is going to be a Pro-Bowler if he can get more help from that abysmal line)

17. Minnesota – DeAngelo Williams (I've loved this kid, so I guess i'm biased, but they need a RB who can A) Stay about of trouble and B) Run the ball)
18. Dallas – Chad Greenway OLB (2nd best LB behind Hawk, but not far behind)
19. San Diego – Kamerion Wimbley LB (With Edwards soon to be traded, they need a LB)

22. Denver – Richard Marshall CB (Bailey has played well, but injured a lot, also look for a RB to may be selected)

23. Tamba Bay – Ernie Sims OLB (Even though he plays the outside, look for the Bucs to want to switch him to LB to learn from Derrick "Who's our favorite player?" Brooks


28. Jacksonville – Donte Whitner S (Obviously the Jags would love a WR seeing as how Williams is playing under-par and Smith is aging, but they need someone to roam downfield, that's where in the playoffs and many games they got killed)


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those picks are crazy stated above. TB picking Sims is fine WLB but where was he switching from? cleveland has pretty solidify their o-line with shaffer, andruzzi, faine, and bentley. cleveland can pick up some depth later in the draft. they need a 3-4 DE/NT and a 3-4 OLBs. greenway in dallas? he doesnt shed blocks way for him to play 3-4 ILB. In San Diego, Edwards is an ILB and Wimbley is going to replace him. i dont think so. Denver badly badly needs a pass rusher more than another CB b/c they really like foxworth and williams. i had denver pick lendal white b/c they need a mix of speed and power in their run game with him and bell.

just fyi, if u make explanations, plz put some more detail on why he should be picked there for this team or just put ur picks.
 
I hope Detroit get HUFF....he seems to be the best fit thus far...that or an OL player.

Now, if Millen actually pulls a deal for Harrington....maybe Denver wants him now. I have a feeling he will be left holding his dick and have to release him, damn Millen.
 
[quote name='doubledown']I hope Detroit get HUFF....he seems to be the best fit thus far...that or an OL player.

Now, if Millen actually pulls a deal for Harrington....maybe Denver wants him now. I have a feeling he will be left holding his dick and have to release him, damn Millen.[/QUOTE]

Huff is great player and i saw him at a bunch of UT games. he's player and i think he has cover skills of CB and he tackles like a LB. Also, Detroit likes to draft a good amount of UT players (shaun rogers, cory redding, roy williams, and maybe micheal huff)
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']those picks are crazy stated above. TB picking Sims is fine WLB but where was he switching from? cleveland has pretty solidify their o-line with shaffer, andruzzi, faine, and bentley. cleveland can pick up some depth later in the draft. they need a 3-4 DE/NT and a 3-4 OLBs. greenway in dallas? he doesnt shed blocks way for him to play 3-4 ILB. In San Diego, Edwards is an ILB and Wimbley is going to replace him. i dont think so. Denver badly badly needs a pass rusher more than another CB b/c they really like foxworth and williams. i had denver pick lendal white b/c they need a mix of speed and power in their run game with him and bell.

just fyi, if u make explanations, plz put some more detail on why he should be picked there for this team or just put ur picks.[/quote]

Here are my reasons for the pick:

Winston Justice to Cleveland. Bentley is a center, which well help the line, Andruzzi at tackle will be a very good fit, but with the loss of OG Pucillo to the Redskins they need someone to sure up the o-line. Will Justice be picked by them? A) He probably won't be there and B) this all hinges on if Ngata, Bunkley are gone. They picked up Willie McGinest to help with their young d-line, and they have Romeo Crennel who is a great defensive mind.

Greenway going to Big D, he's decent at shredding tackles, his 40 speed was 4.75 which is not fast, it was a little higher than the average around (4.6) for the OLB crew in this draft, but Greenway is IMO the 2nd best LB to Hawk in the draft, they could also look at Sims who ran a 4.5

The San Diego pick I would've gone with a WR but I don't see Holmes or Jackson falling that far. I'm not sure but I think San Diego runs the 3-4, which Wimbley could play OLB, they have a young LB in Cooper that they re-signed, who has the capability to replace Edwards, even with minimal playing time and still getting 30 tackles.

Denver I have picking a CB because they signed a crap load of LB's, they lost Lenny Walls who was good being paired with Bailey, but he didn't get any INT's. They signed Amar Gordon, who could replace Pryce but not as well, but I see them switching to the 3-4 with all the signings of LB's. This hinges on whether or not they re-sign Marco Coleman

Minnesota picking DeAngelo Williams, seems obvious. Michael Bennet is off to NO, Onterrio Smith keeps getting suspended, and they signed a very good FB in Tony Richardson. They need someone to take off the load from Brad Johnson.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Denver I have picking a CB because they signed a crap load of LB's, they lost Lenny Walls who was good being paired with Bailey, but he didn't get any INT's. They signed Amar Gordon, who could replace Pryce but not as well, but I see them switching to the 3-4 with all the signings of LB's. This hinges on whether or not they re-sign Marco Coleman[/quote]
Two linebackers doesn't equal a crapload of linebackers, as they've already got one of the best linebacking cores around with Williams, Gold, and Wilson, so these signings are for support purposes. Bailey is just fine, as he did a great job last year and has the time to get back to 100% for next season, so he can work on leading this young CB core. They drafted three CB's last year with Foxworth and Williams doing very well, so there's no need to pick another one up with a first round pick this year. Losing Lenny Walls isn't a big deal, as he's had a minimal impact on the team the past two years, so Denver's moved on already. Gordon is not a replacement for Price, more of another notch in their rotational defensive line. They'll most likely go offense, RB or WR, and defense, DE or S, with these two picks and CB isn't in those plans at all.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Here are my reasons for the pick:

Winston Justice to Cleveland. Bentley is a center, which well help the line, Andruzzi at tackle will be a very good fit, but with the loss of OG Pucillo to the Redskins they need someone to sure up the o-line. Will Justice be picked by them? A) He probably won't be there and B) this all hinges on if Ngata, Bunkley are gone. They picked up Willie McGinest to help with their young d-line, and they have Romeo Crennel who is a great defensive mind.

Greenway going to Big D, he's decent at shredding tackles, his 40 speed was 4.75 which is not fast, it was a little higher than the average around (4.6) for the OLB crew in this draft, but Greenway is IMO the 2nd best LB to Hawk in the draft, they could also look at Sims who ran a 4.5

The San Diego pick I would've gone with a WR but I don't see Holmes or Jackson falling that far. I'm not sure but I think San Diego runs the 3-4, which Wimbley could play OLB, they have a young LB in Cooper that they re-signed, who has the capability to replace Edwards, even with minimal playing time and still getting 30 tackles.

Denver I have picking a CB because they signed a crap load of LB's, they lost Lenny Walls who was good being paired with Bailey, but he didn't get any INT's. They signed Amar Gordon, who could replace Pryce but not as well, but I see them switching to the 3-4 with all the signings of LB's. This hinges on whether or not they re-sign Marco Coleman

Minnesota picking DeAngelo Williams, seems obvious. Michael Bennet is off to NO, Onterrio Smith keeps getting suspended, and they signed a very good FB in Tony Richardson. They need someone to take off the load from Brad Johnson.[/QUOTE]


Bentley can play center or guard. Andruzi is a guard not a tackle. Cleveland also signed shaffer to play LT to protect Frye. Why dont u check cleveland's 3-4 front 7. except for mcginest, who's a threat as 3-4 LB? who on the 3-4 line is a player that the o-line has to double team?

Greenway needs to roam around and be free. He's sorta like Derrick Johnson type player. Greenway is a good player but players have to be utilize in the right system. he doesnt fit well at any 3-4 LB position.

Like i said before, wimbley is a 3-4 olb not a f'n 3-4 ilb. i dont think teams are going to be scared of cooper as a 3-4 olb. san diego either needs to protect phillip rivers more on the o-line or fix that bad pass defense in the secondary.

man what are u smoking with denver?. they dont need another CB b/c they have foxworth and williams who are very high on. denver needs some pass rushers to get to the super bowl, another threat a WR, and possibly another RB to help Bell out. Pittsburgh torched they hell out of the Denver D-line in pass protection and thats y pittsburgh won.

Minnesota signed Chester Taylor from Baltimore for a good amt of money. He could be next year's Lamont Jordan. He and Moore are pretty much fine at RB. They need help at LB and some extra help in the secondary. Also, maybe they could snatch a QB as well for future purposes.


EDIT: Denver may have the Best LBs corps in the league. So where have u been?

Oh yea, I totally agree with Frisky's statement
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']Bentley can play center or guard. Andruzi is a guard not a tackle. Cleveland also signed shaffer to play LT to protect Frye. Why dont u check cleveland's 3-4 front 7. except for mcginest, who's a threat as 3-4 LB? who on the 3-4 line is a player that the o-line has to double team?

Greenway needs to roam around and be free. He's sorta like Derrick Johnson type player. Greenway is a good player but players have to be utilize in the right system. he doesnt fit well at any 3-4 LB position.

Like i said before, wimbley is a 3-4 olb not a f'n 3-4 ilb. i dont think teams are going to be scared of cooper as a 3-4 olb. san diego either needs to protect phillip rivers more on the o-line or fix that bad pass defense in the secondary.

man what are u smoking with denver?. they dont need another CB b/c they have foxworth and williams who are very high on. denver needs some pass rushers to get to the super bowl, another threat a WR, and possibly another RB to help Bell out. Pittsburgh torched they hell out of the Denver D-line in pass protection and thats y pittsburgh won.

Minnesota signed Chester Taylor from Baltimore for a good amt of money. He could be next year's Lamont Jordan. He and Moore are pretty much fine at RB. They need help at LB and some extra help in the secondary. Also, maybe they could snatch a QB as well for future purposes.


EDIT: Denver may have the Best LBs corps in the league. So where have u been?

Oh yea, I totally agree with Frisky's statement[/quote]

This my draft board, so yet again after explaining why, I will explain why on these set of questions. Remember, this all hinges on who's available, hell if Mario Williams is available at #17 for Denver, than bam they'll pick him.

The Chargers would love a CB, seeing as how Jammer hasn't really fulfilled and an OT would be great, but are they going to fall there? No, after the #10 pick all GM's across the league agree, unless your #1 choice from the draft board is there, you pick on Best Player Avaliable.

Broncos, lost Pryce and yes need a DE, but who's worth that pick? Nali *Spelling?* (Penn St) is a 2nd rounder. Not much talent there, hell if Chad Jackson or Holmes fall to number 17 then they pick one of the two.

Chestor Taylor i'm still not sold on, their defense has been re-tooled, but Childress is a defensive mind, so if Ryans, Sims are available I could see him going towards them.

Kiper's got my 49ers picking Vernon Davis (Who i'm really starting to like) and Bobby Carpenter OLB, that'd be awesome. But I don't see Carpenter lasting..
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Broncos, lost Pryce and yes need a DE, but who's worth that pick? Nali *Spelling?* (Penn St) is a 2nd rounder. Not much talent there, hell if Chad Jackson or Holmes fall to number 17 then they pick one of the two.[/QUOTE]
The name I see thrown around a lot is Kamerion Wimbley, DE/LB, from FSU and Hali is a late first rounder in most of the mock drafts I've seen. If Wimbley is gone, they'd be most likely to go RB with whoever's around at that 22nd pick, most likely White or Williams.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']This my draft board, so yet again after explaining why, I will explain why on these set of questions. Remember, this all hinges on who's available, hell if Mario Williams is available at #17 for Denver, than bam they'll pick him.

The Chargers would love a CB, seeing as how Jammer hasn't really fulfilled and an OT would be great, but are they going to fall there? No, after the #10 pick all GM's across the league agree, unless your #1 choice from the draft board is there, you pick on Best Player Avaliable.

Broncos, lost Pryce and yes need a DE, but who's worth that pick? Nali *Spelling?* (Penn St) is a 2nd rounder. Not much talent there, hell if Chad Jackson or Holmes fall to number 17 then they pick one of the two.

Chestor Taylor i'm still not sold on, their defense has been re-tooled, but Childress is a defensive mind, so if Ryans, Sims are available I could see him going towards them.

Kiper's got my 49ers picking Vernon Davis (Who i'm really starting to like) and Bobby Carpenter OLB, that'd be awesome. But I don't see Carpenter lasting..[/QUOTE]

denver is picking number 15 and 22. so u need to get that straighten out and fix up ur mock again. plus, LBs, DBs and O-line prospects are pretty deep this year.

San Diego could pick at DB are Joseph, Youboty, Marshall, Cromertie, Allen, or Whitner. Also for Tackles, SD could pick up McNeill or Winston. sometimes u cant pick BPA and have to go for needs.

Denver can pick Wimbley, Lawson, HaLI, or Kiawuanka for their pick 22. They will pick either holmes or jackson at 15 barring a trade.

Chester Taylor ran about 5 yds a carry in Baltimore for a crappy offense altogether and was stuck behind jamal lewis for the past few years. btw, childress is OFFENSIVE-MINDED coach since he was philly's OC.

49ers picking Davis is fine. Carpenter wont last to the 49ers 2nd round pick. i suggest the 49ers should trade down.

i'm not saying ur mock draft sucks but u havent really back up ur explanations that seems reasonable. if u want to critique my mock, be my guest b/c i can back up my explanations on this player being picked for this team.

also u havent answered my stuff on clevelands defense.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']denver is picking number 15 and 22. so u need to get that straighten out and fix up ur mock again. plus, LBs, DBs and O-line prospects are pretty deep this year.

San Diego could pick at DB are Joseph, Youboty, Marshall, Cromertie, Allen, or Whitner. Also for Tackles, SD could pick up McNeill or Winston. sometimes u cant pick BPA and have to go for needs.

Denver can pick Wimbley, Lawson, HaLI, or Kiawuanka for their pick 22. They will pick either holmes or jackson at 15 barring a trade.

Chester Taylor ran about 5 yds a carry in Baltimore for a crappy offense altogether and was stuck behind jamal lewis for the past few years. btw, childress is OFFENSIVE-MINDED coach since he was philly's OC.

49ers picking Davis is fine. Carpenter wont last to the 49ers 2nd round pick. i suggest the 49ers should trade down.

i'm not saying ur mock draft sucks but u havent really back up ur explanations that seems reasonable. if u want to critique my mock, be my guest b/c i can back up my explanations on this player being picked for this team.

also u havent answered my stuff on clevelands defense.[/quote]

Cleveland's backfield is solidified, McGinest and McKinley and Roye do more than a serviceable job at DE..so there ya go.

I don't need to fix my mock because I still have Denver in 15...#17 pick was just off the top of my head, I still have em picking Holmes.

Chargers require a CB but I have Tye Hill gone, who I fine really the only one worthy of the #19 pick, you could make a case for Allen.

On yours, I don't see Leinart going to NO because even if Brees is coming off shoulder surgery, their not going to pay two qb's a shit load of money. You saw what happened with the Chargers, giving top money to 2 QB's doesn't work.

I don't see Vernon Davis to the Raiders because Walters is too unproven, Tuissasopo has shown he isn't the man. Courtney Anderson is going to be in his 3rd year, so their probably going to give him a chance. He got 3 TD's, 24 reps in minimal time. Al Davis loves the 'hot pick', so he takes chances on anyone. Who's going to replace Ted Washington?

The Eagles at LB have Trotter, Jones, Adams(FA, hinges on him being signed), and Simaneou to back up..so how would Sims fit? and why would the Eagles not pick a WR when the only target that McNabb has is LJ Smith.

The San Diego Pick, how could they not pick a WR, with McCardell aging and Eric Parker inconsistency?

The rest looks aiite. No other picks that stand out.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Cleveland's backfield is solidified, McGinest and McKinley and Roye do more than a serviceable job at DE..so there ya go.

I don't need to fix my mock because I still have Denver in 15...#17 pick was just off the top of my head, I still have em picking Holmes.

Chargers require a CB but I have Tye Hill gone, who I fine really the only one worthy of the #19 pick, you could make a case for Allen.

On yours, I don't see Leinart going to NO because even if Brees is coming off shoulder surgery, their not going to pay two qb's a shit load of money. You saw what happened with the Chargers, giving top money to 2 QB's doesn't work.

I don't see Vernon Davis to the Raiders because Walters is too unproven, Tuissasopo has shown he isn't the man. Courtney Anderson is going to be in his 3rd year, so their probably going to give him a chance. He got 3 TD's, 24 reps in minimal time. Al Davis loves the 'hot pick', so he takes chances on anyone. Who's going to replace Ted Washington?

The Eagles at LB have Trotter, Jones, Adams(FA, hinges on him being signed), and Simaneou to back up..so how would Sims fit? and why would the Eagles not pick a WR when the only target that McNabb has is LJ Smith.

The San Diego Pick, how could they not pick a WR, with McCardell aging and Eric Parker inconsistency?

The rest looks aiite. No other picks that stand out.[/QUOTE]

mcginnest is a 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE not a 3-4 DE. ted washington is fine at NT for year or two but they have to groom someone. roye and mckiney doesnt really scare OCs at all. Bunkley would be a great fit at 3-4 De since he has great strength and was great at run support at FSU. why do i see a lot of mock drafts picking a 3-4 OLB or 3-4 DE/NT?

yea u definately need to fix ur mock since u have bunkley twice and u left jimmy williams off the list.

dree brees contract is really for one year. N.O has an option to void the rest of the contact after 1 year. leinart is going to be a tom brady qb. he has great intagibles, leadership, and has like 90% winning percantage.

I think the Raiders will take a chance on Walter b/c he played in pro style offense at ASU. I think he'll be fine at QB.

Eagles need a good WLB to roam the field. Simeanou is backup LB at best and Keith Adams got signed somewhere else. Sims provides such a playmaking LB they sorely need in coverage and run. Jim Johnson will love to have this player blitzing, covering, tackle, intercept, THE WORKS. Eagles will get another target later in the draft for mcnabb. reggie brown did played pretty well in his rookie year, also they signed gaffney, and todd pinkston is coming back as well. mcnabb can live with those weapons. i thought they their defense was disappointing but of course part of it was injuries.

i rather have philip rivers to be more protected so he can find time to find his receivers. like i always say, if tom brady and peyton manning played with the houston o-line, then they wouldnt be tom brady or peyton manning. rivers needs time to throw in the pocket b/c of his lack of experience. if u dont have a good line, ur offense is just pathetic. they can find another weapon later in the draft.

this draft class of WRs is just medicore at best.

also when u made ur explantion on donte whitner to jaguars, ummm what was that? btw, the game is won in the trenches, not downfield air attacks.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']mcginnest is a 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE not a 3-4 DE. ted washington is fine at NT for year or two but they have to groom someone. roye and mckiney doesnt really scare OCs at all. Bunkley would be a great fit at 3-4 De since he has great strength and was great at run support at FSU. why do i see a lot of mock drafts picking a 3-4 OLB or 3-4 DE/NT?

yea u definately need to fix ur mock since u have bunkley twice and u left jimmy williams off the list.

dree brees contract is really for one year. N.O has an option to void the rest of the contact after 1 year. leinart is going to be a tom brady qb. he has great intagibles, leadership, and has like 90% winning percantage.

I think the Raiders will take a chance on Walter b/c he played in pro style offense at ASU. I think he'll be fine at QB.

Eagles need a good WLB to roam the field. Simeanou is backup LB at best and Keith Adams got signed somewhere else. Sims provides such a playmaking LB they sorely need in coverage and run. Jim Johnson will love to have this player blitzing, covering, tackle, intercept, THE WORKS. Eagles will get another target later in the draft for mcnabb. reggie brown did played pretty well in his rookie year, also they signed gaffney, and todd pinkston is coming back as well. mcnabb can live with those weapons. i thought they their defense was disappointing but of course part of it was injuries.

i rather have philip rivers to be more protected so he can find time to find his receivers. like i always say, if tom brady and peyton manning played with the houston o-line, then they wouldnt be tom brady or peyton manning. rivers needs time to throw in the pocket b/c of his lack of experience. if u dont have a good line, ur offense is just pathetic. they can find another weapon later in the draft.

this draft class of WRs is just medicore at best.

also when u made ur explantion on donte whitner to jaguars, ummm what was that? btw, the game is won in the trenches, not downfield air attacks.[/quote]

Whoops, good point, missed Jimmy, I got him to Lions at 9, a high pick but they need a CB.

So, NO would be willing to pay Brees 10 mill for a season and Leinart 10 Mill a season, so that's 20 Million for your QB situation? No.
 
[quote name='"FWST"']Cowboys sign safety Coleman

BY CLARENCE E. HILL JR.

STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

IRVING - The Cowboys have agreed to terms with former Houston Texans safety Marcus Coleman.

Coleman, a former cornerback who moved to safety, is a step toward addressing the team’s wish for a true free safety to play opposite strong safety Roy Williams.
Safety is still a position the Cowboys might consider in the draft. They brought in two safety prospects - Texas’ Michael Huff and Tennessee’s Jason Allen - for visits on Monday and Tuesday.
Both are potential first-round draft choices. While the Cowboys would have to make a major trade to move up to get Huff, who is considered a top 10 pick, Allen could be there when the Cowboys pick at No. 18.
However, the signing of Coleman and the re-signing of 2005 starter Keith Davis means that the Cowboys don’t have to reach to address a need in the draft. They can accept the pick or the deals that come to them.
Joining the Cowboys is a homecoming for Coleman, who played at Lake Highlands High School before starring at Texas Tech and becoming a fifth-round pick of the New York Jets in 1996. He will be reunited in Dallas with Cowboys coach Bill Parcells and cornerback Aaron Glenn. He played under Parcells with the Jets. He played with Glenn with the Jets and Texans.
The 10-year veteran played cornerback for the first eight years of his career before moving to free safety in 2004 with the Texans. He has started 27 games at free safety in the past two years. Coleman’s addition continues a busy off-season for the Cowboys who have now signed a club-record eight free agents, including receiver Terrell Owens, guard Kyle Kosier, tackle Jason Fabini, linebacker Akin Ayodele, linebacker Rocky Boiman, kicker Mike Vanderjadt and tight end Ryan Hannam.[/quote]
Nice pickup for the Boys. Now we can really go into the draft with no dire needs in any position. Sure, Coleman isn't going to be a long-term fix, but he can step in if we don't land someone better in the draft.
 
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This is Rod Smith after being hit by Roy Williams in the Pro Bowl.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Nice pickup for the Boys. Now we can really go into the draft with no dire needs in any position. Sure, Coleman isn't going to be a long-term fix, but he can step in if we don't land someone better in the draft.[/QUOTE]

coleman is fading fast. i guess he could have one year left in him.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Whoops, good point, missed Jimmy, I got him to Lions at 9, a high pick but they need a CB.

So, NO would be willing to pay Brees 10 mill for a season and Leinart 10 Mill a season, so that's 20 Million for your QB situation? No.[/QUOTE]

hey N.O could towards the future. if i had to choose, i would take d-brick
 
Denver jsut traded it's 22nd pick to San Fran for their 2nd (37th overall) and 3rd round picks....seems like an okk deal...building up more picks and they only dropped 15 spots.
 
I'm guessing Denver's going to either go RB or DE with that lone first round pick (stupid decision to me), and fill in their other holes in the second (maybe LenDale White falls to them) and third round, which they've had success with before. I still think that they should've kept the pick, since it would've allowed them to fill two of their holes with great players that would've had no business being picked in those picks if it weren't for Leinart, Bush, Young, Williams, and the other top players pushing great picks downwards.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I'm guessing Denver's going to either go RB or DE with that lone first round pick (stupid decision to me), and fill in their other holes in the second (maybe LenDale White falls to them) and third round, which they've had success with before. I still think that they should've kept the pick, since it would've allowed them to fill two of their holes with great players that would've had no business being picked in those picks if it weren't for Leinart, Bush, Young, Williams, and the other top players pushing great picks downwards.[/quote]

My friend told me about this trade this morning and I didn't believe him. This trade is awesome for my 49ers. Now, if Mario Williams isn't there, i'm totally for the pick of Vernon Davis or Michael Huff because will have the chance to pick let's say a Tye Hill if we pick Davis or Marcedes Lewis if we pick Huff.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I'm guessing Denver's going to either go RB or DE with that lone first round pick (stupid decision to me), and fill in their other holes in the second (maybe LenDale White falls to them) and third round, which they've had success with before. I still think that they should've kept the pick, since it would've allowed them to fill two of their holes with great players that would've had no business being picked in those picks if it weren't for Leinart, Bush, Young, Williams, and the other top players pushing great picks downwards.[/quote]

No way does White fall to the second. There are even rumors swirling that Parcells may take him at 18. We worked him out a few days ago, and they say Parcells is in love with his size.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']No way does White fall to the second. There are even rumors swirling that Parcells may take him at 18. We worked him out a few days ago, and they say Parcells is in love with his size.[/QUOTE]
I know he won't fall that far, but these teams are looking for as many reasons to not pick him as they can, though it's all most likely bullshit lies. I don't see him going before Williams and possibly Maroney, most likely in the 20-29 pick area.
 
[quote name='doubledown']Denver jsut traded it's 22nd pick to San Fran for their 2nd (37th overall) and 3rd round picks....seems like an okk deal...building up more picks and they only dropped 15 spots.[/QUOTE]
More importantly, the 2nd rounder will make far less money than a 1st. The 1st pick of the 2nd round is far more valuable than the last pick of the 1st round. Good trade for both teams.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']No way does White fall to the second. There are even rumors swirling that Parcells may take him at 18. We worked him out a few days ago, and they say Parcells is in love with his size.[/quote]

Parcells already giving up on Julius Jones, or does he want a similar tandom to what White had with Bush (a much lesser extent, but still). I don't see why he would take a back in the 1st round, unless it was for that reason, since they did that 2 years ago with Jones.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Parcells already giving up on Julius Jones, or does he want a similar tandom to what White had with Bush (a much lesser extent, but still). I don't see why he would take a back in the 1st round, unless it was for that reason, since they did that 2 years ago with Jones.[/quote]

I don't see them taking a back either, with Marion Barber coming on strong, but the problem the Cowboys did with Julius, they ran the hell out of him. My cousin being a Boys fan so I watched most of their games, the kids a stud, but it's a mix of abusing him to young and his injury.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Parcells already giving up on Julius Jones, or does he want a similar tandom to what White had with Bush (a much lesser extent, but still). I don't see why he would take a back in the 1st round, unless it was for that reason, since they did that 2 years ago with Jones.[/quote]

I don't think he'd be giving up on Julius, but I think he'd like that bruising, hard-nosed type runner to compliment the running game.

Plus, Julius hasn't really proven anything in his career other than being injury prone. He's missed significant time in both his NFL seasons, and I only hope this year is different. He's shown that he has special play-making ability, but if you can't be on the field for 16 games, it's tough to keep you around.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I don't think he'd be giving up on Julius, but I think he'd like that bruising, hard-nosed type runner to compliment the running game.

Plus, Julius hasn't really proven anything in his career other than being injury prone. He's missed significant time in both his NFL seasons, and I only hope this year is different. He's shown that he has special play-making ability, but if you can't be on the field for 16 games, it's tough to keep you around.[/quote]

I remember Week 1 vs Chargers, kid was nasty. But, if I had to pick i'd give Jones another year, and see if he can get back. I really like Marion Barber, but he seems to be a one-trick pony.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']i'll see dallas going after a 3-4 ilb or olb. i like either wimbley, lawson, carpenter, or ryans here.[/quote]

I wouldn't mind us snagging Wimbley or Lawson. Have you seen Wimbley? The guy is a monster.

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[quote name='ph33r m3']I don't see them taking a back either, with Marion Barber coming on strong, but the problem the Cowboys did with Julius, they ran the hell out of him. My cousin being a Boys fan so I watched most of their games, the kids a stud, but it's a mix of abusing him to young and his injury.[/quote]

I know it's probably not likely, but if Dallas is drafting by BPA, which they should be doing, he may be their top guy when they pick.

Dallas really didn't run Julius too hard. Yeah, he had a few 30-carry games, but that's what is expected out of a Bill Parcells' team.

I think Barber is going to be a good running back, but I haven't seen him show any breakaway speed or anything special. I do like how he hits the hole hard and is more difficult to bring down than Julius, though.

The guy you should keep an eye one is Tyson Thompson. He's our biggest and fastest running back of the three. He hasn't had much playing time aside from special teams, but the guy is a burner. If we don't pick up another back in the draft and if Julius gets injured again, I can see Thompson playing some more.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I remember Week 1 vs Chargers, kid was nasty. But, if I had to pick i'd give Jones another year, and see if he can get back. I really like Marion Barber, but he seems to be a one-trick pony.[/quote]

That's the thing with Julius; one week, he'll play unbelievable football and the next week, he'll be very subpar. I guess some could be attributed to our weak offensive line.

I agree with you, though, Julius deserves another year.
 
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