Police beating caught on tape

[quote name='capitalist_mao']No one can forsee the level of corruption that new cops will pose, therefore it's unfair to assume that if corrupt cops are booted, corrupt cops will replace them.
That was actually meant as a jab towards AZ's assumption that their replacements would be better.

Just because a man is a police officer does not mean they're higher than the law and does not mean they can break the law.
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And just because a man is a police officer does not mean he's perfect either. As I've mentioned before things like this occur when people are placed under high levels of stress for prolonged periods of time. Reprimands are in order, but I see little reason to put the blame entirely on the officer's shoulders.
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[quote name='Msut77']>>Why is it that some people assume beliefs and rumors can be considered fact?

Is that what we call video now?[/QUOTE]

No, but linking this incident to some large corruption problem without proof certainly is. The video certainly is real, it's a shame it's so short.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']No, but linking this incident to some large corruption problem without proof certainly is. The video certainly is real, it's a shame it's so short.[/QUOTE]

New Orleans is notorious for corruption. Nagin got elected on an anti corruption platform. Its police force is also well known for corruption.

Here's a detroit free press article referring to the corruption

Last year, university researchers conducted an experiment in which police fired 700 blank rounds in a New Orleans neighborhood in a single afternoon. No one called to report the gunfire.


New Orleans residents are reluctant to come forward as witnesses, fearing retaliation. And experts say that's one of several reasons homicides are on the rise in the Big Easy as other cities are seeing their murder rates plummet to levels not seen in decades.........

For police, recruitment is a problem. The department has a poor image, with allegations of brutality and corruption dating back decades.....

Only one in four people arrested in the city for murder is eventually convicted, according to a recent study by the New Orleans Police Foundation, a private nonprofit group. According to the study, 42% of serious crime cases reviewed by prosecutors -- about 22,000 -- were turned away between 2002 and 2004 because the cases weren't deemed suitable for court.

District Attorney Eddie Jordan said the lack of eyewitness testimony was one reason for the dropped cases. New Orleans has had such a problem with retaliation against witnesses -- including murder -- that the district attorney's office took the unusual step of starting a local witness protection program.

Witnesses may also be reluctant to talk to police because of allegations of police brutality and corruption.

In the 1990s, two cops turned out to be killers. Former Police Superintendent Richard Pennington, now Atlanta's chief, is credited with purging scores of bad cops during the 1990s.

But in March, the annual St. Joseph's night assembly of the Mardi Gras Indians, black residents who dress up in elaborate costumes, was marred by complaints that officers roughed up members.

And in early August, allegations surfaced that two officers had beaten a man before dropping him off at a hospital. Police Superintendent Eddie Compass ordered an investigation and called in the FBI to help.
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http://www.freep.com/news/nw/neworleans22e_20050822.htm

A 1998 report by the General Accounting Office cites examples of publicly disclosed drug-related police corruption in the following cities: Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Los Angeles, Miami, New Orleans, New York, Philadelphia, Savannah, and Washington, DC. ......

In New Orleans, 11 police officers were convicted of accepting nearly $100,000 from undercover agents to protect a cocaine supply warehouse containing 286 pounds of cocaine. The undercover portion of the investigation was terminated when a witness was killed under orders from a New Orleans police officer.

Source: General Accounting Office, Report to the Honorable Charles B. Rangel, House of Representatives, Law Enforcement: Information on Drug-Related Police Corruption (Washington, DC: USGPO, May 1998), p. 36.
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http://www.drugwarfacts.org/corrupt.htm

Here's a pic I just found of the guy lying on the ground

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/09/national/main927919.shtml
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']No, but linking this incident to some large corruption problem without proof certainly is. The video certainly is real, it's a shame it's so short.[/QUOTE]

If you want an idea of the corruption at hand, there were many police officers that JOINED the looting during Katrina.

Source that Mentions (albeit in passing):
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1164982
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']No, but linking this incident to some large corruption problem without proof certainly is. The video certainly is real, it's a shame it's so short.[/QUOTE]

Yes - it's a shame that the police officer was physically threatening the press into turning off their cameras. Thank goodness that this press agent had the courage to stand up for his rights for those 2 minutes, otherwise I'm sure there would be police apologists who would be dismissing the entire incident as fiction right now.
 
[quote name='camoor']Yes - it's a shame that the police officer was physically threatening the press into turning off their cameras. Thank goodness that this press agent had the courage to stand up for his rights for those 2 minutes, otherwise I'm sure there would be police apologists who would be dismissing the entire incident as fiction right now.[/QUOTE]

A bit interesting that he has exactly those 2 minutes and nothing before hand, unless of course that was just edited out. I've always been amazed how black and white things become when you see just a small clip of an event.
 
>>A bit interesting that he has exactly those 2 minutes and nothing before hand,

Yeah im suprised it didnt show the senior citizen guy when he busted out those kung fu moves
forcing the cops to beat him and leave him on the ground like a bloody rag doll.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']A bit interesting that he has exactly those 2 minutes and nothing before hand, unless of course that was just edited out. I've always been amazed how black and white things become when you see just a small clip of an event.[/QUOTE]

Yes, because someone only filming after something interesting has started is completely outside the realm of reality. Have you ever tried filming a car crash for example? One that you did not intentionally cause or knew was going to happen. Unless you were already filming in that direction you would never be able to catch the crash on tape. Same thing applies here. Cameraman was setting up, or packing up, or just around, saw a commotion, and decides to start filming in the interest of reporting the news. There is no way he could have caught the entire thing from start to finish unless he was already filiming the cops or the drunk old guy. Maybe you should look into something called logic. Its really helpful in real life.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']That says officers have been accused of joining in the looting, real solid proof right there.:applause:[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry a reputable news source that mentions EXACTLY what I said isn't proof enough for you.

(their proof, by the way, is video taped)
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']I'm sorry a reputable news source that mentions EXACTLY what I said isn't proof enough for you.

(their proof, by the way, is video taped)[/QUOTE]

No, it really doesn't.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Since ONE news source isn't enough, here's THREE

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/29/nopd.looting/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/29/AR2005092901975.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-nopd30sep30,0,7003476.story?coll=la-tot-promo&track=morenews

Unless, of course, print media isn't solid proof, in which case, I'm not sure how to prove anything to you.[/QUOTE]

So let's see:

potential looting, probing of potential looting, possible looting.
 
[quote name='chaostic_2k1']Yes, because someone only filming after something interesting has started is completely outside the realm of reality. Have you ever tried filming a car crash for example? One that you did not intentionally cause or knew was going to happen. Unless you were already filming in that direction you would never be able to catch the crash on tape. Same thing applies here. Cameraman was setting up, or packing up, or just around, saw a commotion, and decides to start filming in the interest of reporting the news. There is no way he could have caught the entire thing from start to finish unless he was already filiming the cops or the drunk old guy. Maybe you should look into something called logic. Its really helpful in real life.[/QUOTE]

Actually logic suggests that the journalists were probably in the area for some time and might have several more minutes involving the incident that got cut for the highlight reel. I for one would enjoy watching it.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']So let's see:

potential looting, probing of potential looting, possible looting.[/QUOTE]

From video evidence, no less!
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Video evidence that I can see?[/QUOTE]

Probably hasn't been released to the public yet. You might be able to find it on Reuters video feed area. Actually READ the article next time.

I guess that means you think it's fake and these allegations are false?
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Probably hasn't been released to the public yet. You might be able to find it on Reuters video feed area. Actually READ the article next time.

I guess that means you think it's fake and these allegations are false?[/QUOTE]

I saw the video mention in the article, however I also noted that the articles were a weak old and I hadn't seen any charges filed yet. A bit odd with such evidence wouldn't you say?

Personally I wouldn't say the charges are true or false with the tiny amount of evidence available to me.
 
If the not drinking part is true, then this is even sadder:

NEW ORLEANS – Robert Davis stood at the corner of Bourbon and Conti streets in the French Quarter and stared in disbelief at the brown stain on the sidewalk.
"It that my blood? It must be," said the 64-year-old retired elementary schoolteacher, who was arrested and repeatedly punched by police over the weekend. "I didn't know I was bleeding that bad."

The confrontation, captured on videotape and broadcast across the country, has put another unwanted spotlight on the beleaguered, exhausted police force in this storm-struck city.

Three officers pleaded not guilty to charges stemming from the incident and the U.S. Justice Department opened a civil rights investigation.

Davis disputed contentions by police that he had been drinking.

"I haven't had a drink in 25 years," Davis said Monday. "I didn't do anything. I was going to get a pack of cigarettes and taking my evening constitutional."

The two city police officers accused in the beating, and a third accused of grabbing and shoving an Associated Press Television News producer who helped capture the encounter on tape, pleaded not guilty to battery charges and were released Monday.

After a hearing, at which trial was set for Jan. 11, officers Lance Schilling, Robert Evangelist and S.M. Smith were released on bond. They left without commenting. They were suspended without pay Sunday.

Police Superintendent Warren Riley said any misconduct found in an investigation would be dealt with swiftly. He noted the video showed "a portion of that incident."

"The actions that were observed on this video are certainly unacceptable by this department," Riley said.

Davis is black; the three city police officers seen on the tape are white. But Davis and police officials have said they don't believe race was a factor.

Two other officials in the video appeared to be federal officers, according to police. Numerous agencies have sent officers to help in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and police spokesman Marlon Defillo said it would be up to their commanders to decide if they would face charges.

Davis had stitches under his swollen left eye, a bandage around a finger and complained of aches in his left shoulder and soreness in his back. His lawyer said he suffered fractures to his cheek and eye socket.

The confrontation came as the New Orleans Police Department – long plagued by allegations of brutality and corruption – struggles with the aftermath of Katrina and the resignation last month of Police Superintendent Eddie Compass.

Davis said the confrontation began after he had approached a mounted police officer Saturday to ask about curfews in the city when another officer interrupted.

"This other guy interfered and I said he shouldn't," Davis said. "I started to cross the street and – bam – I got it. ... All I know is this guy attacked me and said, 'I will kick your ass,' and they proceeded to do it."

The APTN tape shows an officer hitting Davis at least four times in the head. Davis appeared to resist, twisting and flailing as he was dragged to the ground by four officers. Davis' lawyer, Joseph Bruno, said his client did not resist police.

Another officer also kneed Davis and punched him twice. Davis was pushed to the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter. The officers accused of striking Davis were identified as Schilling and Evangelist.

During the arrest, another officer, identified as Smith, ordered an APTN producer and cameraman to stop recording. When producer Rich Matthews held up his credentials, the officer grabbed him, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.

Davis had returned to New Orleans over the weekend from Atlanta to inspect six properties owned by members of his family, intending to clean them up or figure out how to rebuild them. He's no longer sure he'll return permanently to the city he's called home for 28 years.

"That's up in the air. The chaos that's here – I don't know," he said.
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20051011-0028-neworleans-tapedbeating.html

Though, zion, I mentioned non looting related corruption about 15 posts up.
 
It's good to see New Orleans getting back to normal.

I've been to the French Quarter twice & i see people walking around drinking in public with no problems at all and this was just on "regular" days, not mardi gras,festivals etc...
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']
Though, zion, I mentioned non looting related corruption about 15 posts up.[/QUOTE]

Yes I've decided to ignore posts where you quote whole articles. If I wanted to read the whole thing I'd click your link.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Yes I've decided to ignore posts where you quote whole articles. If I wanted to read the whole thing I'd click your link.[/QUOTE]

I quoted the parts that were relevant, much of the articles are not there. The effect of the corruption on the community, and the different accusations of corruption and violence were in that.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I quoted the parts that were relevant, much of the articles are not there. The effect of the corruption on the community, and the different accusations of corruption and violence were in that.[/QUOTE]

Learn to quote better?
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Learn to quote better?[/QUOTE]

Get rid of the corruption and there will be less to quote. If you don't even want to look at the evidence presented, don't bother arguing the point.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Get rid of the corruption and there will be less to quote. If you don't even want to look at the evidence presented, don't bother arguing the point.[/QUOTE]

Bother to make your point in less than half a page and people might listen to you.


remember Chunk?;)
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Bother to make your point in less than half a page and people might listen to you.


remember Chunk?;)[/QUOTE]

Better to have a soundbite than a full-fledged explanation?
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Bother to make your point in less than half a page and people might listen to you.


remember Chunk?;)[/QUOTE]

The corruption is so rampant, it is impossible to cut it down into a few sentences. If we did, you'd say "You missed that they are allegations at this point, you didn't tell the whole story, etc etc"
 
I read to page 3 and then started to skip the rest of the page because of the useless crap from Zion. Please do us all a favor and stfu Zion. There is no excuse for police officers to be beating unarmed people up. Four officers can't cuff an old man? Thats some weakass police officers.

I watched the video, saw them punching him, kicking him on the head while he's down, trying to break his leg. I don't know how ANYONE could possibly defend the actions of the police officers. I'm betting the officers will lose the case in court.
 
[quote name='gokou36']I read to page 3 and then started to skip the rest of the page because of the useless crap from Zion. Please do us all a favor and stfu Zion. There is no excuse for police officers to be beating unarmed people up. Four officers can't cuff an old man? Thats some weakass police officers.

I watched the video, saw them punching him, kicking him on the head while he's down, trying to break his leg. I don't know how ANYONE could possibly defend the actions of the police officers. I'm betting the officers will lose the case in court.[/QUOTE]

Can you point me in the direction of a video? All I found was the real video on CBS's site and it ran at 1/2 frame per second
 
[quote name='Slipknot9762']oh man this thread is funny, zion is in the same psoition I was in when I got bashed by 30 guys a few months back. How does it feel?[/QUOTE]

Rather good actually.
 
>>Rather good actually.

It feels good to lose an argument with such thoroughness so as to be made to look like a complete fool?
 
[quote name='Msut77']>>Rather good actually.

It feels good to lose an argument with such thoroughness so as to be made to look like a complete fool?[/QUOTE]

Or perhaps it feels good to simply be unlike the rest of you.:D
 
[quote name='Msut77']>>Or perhaps it feels good to simply be unlike the rest of you

Meaning not a complete fool?[/QUOTE]

You know for someone who tries so hard to be witty maybe you could put a little bit of effort into using the quote button?

You do realize that >> means very much less than, not this is what zion said.
 
>>You know for someone who tries so hard to be witty

I wasnt trying very hard.

>>maybe you could put a little bit of effort into using the quote button?

Eat poop.
 
>>You went to the effort to beat a dead horse.

I would mornally feel a little bad making any sort of response just to insult someone, but you did spend about a weekend defending the beaters of an elderly man.

So id say extenuating circumstances.
 
[quote name='Msut77']
I would mornally feel a little bad making any sort of response just to insult someone, but you did spend about a weekend defending the beaters of an elderly man.

So id say extenuating circumstances.[/QUOTE]

Ah well, good to know your morals have a soft spot for old folks, must make paying all those taxes for medicare, medicaid, and social security that much easier.
 
>>must make paying all those taxes for medicare, medicaid, and social security that much easier.

If it wasnt for my grandfather my family would have been living in a dumpster when I was younger.

So yeah I do have a fondness for members of his generation.
 
[quote name='Msut77']
If it wasnt for my grandfather my family would have been living in a dumpster when I was younger.

So yeah I do have a fondness for members of his generation.[/QUOTE]

Glad to know you take on the burden of the worthless to honor one good man.
 
>>Glad to know you take on the burden of the worthless to honor one good man.

They also brought this country out of the Depression and won the Cold War.

Whats your solution soylent green?

P.s. I hope youre joking. I cannot tell sometimes.
 
[quote name='Msut77']
They also brought this country out of the Depression and won the Cold War.

Whats your solution soylent green?

P.s. I hope youre joking. I cannot tell sometimes.[/QUOTE]

No, soylent yellow. It tastes better and is more nutritious.

And I hope this goes to show you that taking anything seriously in the Vs. forum is foolish.
 
>>And I hope this goes to show you that taking anything seriously in the Vs. forum is foolish.

So you were only kidding when you defended those NO Cops?
 
[quote name='Msut77']>>And I hope this goes to show you that taking anything seriously in the Vs. forum is foolish.

So you were only kidding when you defended those NO Cops?[/QUOTE]

Now what would be the fun in answering that question?
 
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