Pretty interesting news story on the cost of colleges on FoxNews right now.

[quote name='ITDEFX']A TV show on FX Channel called 30 Days had a guy who LOST his computer programming due to OUTSOURCING went to India for 30 days to see what the fuck happened, and he gets placed in a telemarketing job, which is HUGE in India...if I understood the numbers correctly, I think he was making MORE over there then over here.... yet at the end , unlike most shows he doesn't really accept the loss of his job due to outsourcing. Outsourcing hurts americans period... does the big money making companies out there care? NOPE!
Working for retail or even my current position in the public school system DOES benifit from protection from outsourcing as you can't really ship the kids over to India to be educated.[/quote]

Protectionism is always a popular political stump in even a mild depression (which debatedly we have entered), however IMO it's not the American government's job to decide the nationality of the workers who make an American company's widgets. IMO the only involvement that the American government should have is regulating corporations with sweatshop operations that ignore basic human rights.

There is alot of mythology and anecdotal "friend of mine" or "story of the week" tales out there about outsourcing. I found this story from Business Week very illuminating:
Call Center? That's So 2004
...It's all part of an ongoing assault on the bottom of the outsourcing biz. Although they're the least profitable piece of it, call centers are no snap to operate. As the industry has heated up, with multinationals and locals alike hiring by the thousands, wages have increased and qualified workers have become scarce. In many shops, some 60% of staffers quit in the first year. Worse, these problems seem to afflict call centers more than higher-level outsourcing work. "The business is a hard nut to crack," says Rashesh Shah, chief executive of Bombay investment bank Edelweiss Capital. That has led to some high-profile departures. In June, Apple Computer Inc. (APPL ) pulled the plug on a call center in Bangalore due to the high cost of operating in India. Two months earlier, British utility Powergen cited rising wages when it withdrew from a contract with call center operator Vertex Data Science.
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http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_32/b3996054.htm?chan=tc&chan=technology_technology+index+page_more+of+today's+top+stories

Granted this article is discussing the shift in India from lower-profit margin to higher-profit margin work - however I believe that this is all part of a natural process. As American companies increasingly outsource jobs, the workers in other countries will increasingly demand compensation that is commesurate with the service they are providing (as evidenced by the example above). Despite stereotypes, Americans have an exceptional work ethic, and if we were to start protecting "American jobs" I believe we would have problems that would trump the modern-day economic woes of the entitled populace of socialist countries such as France.
 
[quote name='AYATOLA']first off the rock music is just annoying

on a more serious note, I can't understand what is so hard about just going into a community college for 2 yrs and transfering to a university. I got accepted to many out of state schools, but passed and stayed here at UH (University of houston) and took my one year scholarship and went back to CC. Now I'm at my last year in cc and am also going part time at UH. my 6 hours at UH (university of houston) costs $2009.53 (books not included) while my cc costs $765 for 13 hours. I would stress to anyone on this form put your pride aside and go to a CC for a year or two. most of my CC professors are just as educated and demanding as college professors.

Another option you have is to go to school part time and work full time and if you are considered an independent by fasfa hence you'll get financial aid. the idea of being at a campus and deciding a school based on the memories that you can make their are just beyond me. Use gollege don't let college use you.[/QUOTE]


yup. my professors at CC were from Northwestern, Loyola, UIC etc. etc. There were a couple stinkers though, but not for anything that important.

I have to say, I feel very lucky to get as much help with college that I do....got scholarships for good grades and stuff, but my folks help out.
 
[quote name='AYATOLA']first off the rock music is just annoying

on a more serious note, I can't understand what is so hard about just going into a community college for 2 yrs and transfering to a university. I got accepted to many out of state schools, but passed and stayed here at UH (University of houston) and took my one year scholarship and went back to CC. Now I'm at my last year in cc and am also going part time at UH. my 6 hours at UH (university of houston) costs $2009.53 (books not included) while my cc costs $765 for 13 hours. I would stress to anyone on this form put your pride aside and go to a CC for a year or two. most of my CC professors are just as educated and demanding as college professors. [/QUOTE]

I was told by the career counselor that going to CC first for 2 years would count against me when I apply to med school. Yeah I can still get in but with my scores in science classes (my worse subject, haha), I need all the help that I can get!

This is why I'm stuck at Cal for all 4 years. I ended up having to temporarily drop out so I can work full time and save up some money...I wasn't happy that after two years at college, I was already over $20k in debt.

On the other hand...that should be like...nothing compared to the debt I'm gonna build up in med school huh?
 
[quote name='vietgurl']I was told by the career counselor that going to CC first for 2 years would count against me when I apply to med school. Yeah I can still get in but with my scores in science classes (my worse subject, haha), I need all the help that I can get!

This is why I'm stuck at Cal for all 4 years. I ended up having to temporarily drop out so I can work full time and save up some money...I wasn't happy that after two years at college, I was already over $20k in debt.

On the other hand...that should be like...nothing compared to the debt I'm gonna build up in med school huh?[/QUOTE]

If you suck at science, then why in the hell are you going to med school?
 
[quote name='vietgurl']I was told by the career counselor that going to CC first for 2 years would count against me when I apply to med school. Yeah I can still get in but with my scores in science classes (my worse subject, haha), I need all the help that I can get!

This is why I'm stuck at Cal for all 4 years. I ended up having to temporarily drop out so I can work full time and save up some money...I wasn't happy that after two years at college, I was already over $20k in debt.

On the other hand...that should be like...nothing compared to the debt I'm gonna build up in med school huh?[/quote]

that could depend on your location I know that in texas many pre-med/pre-pharm/pre-dent. students that are on a tight budget start at cc and take their "BS" courses like history, govn't, and comp 1 and 2 and all the other crap that a sci/pre-med major will never use again. heck I used to be pre-dental until I interned at a dental office and found out I hated it.
 
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