PenguinMaster
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I still doubt this is true, or at least it won't last long. But if it is than Sony will have lost all of my support forever (and not just with the PS3).
PS3 pre-owned games banned?
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Kayden
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You're forgetting two glaring details- KBToys 
ing sucks and they're going out of business.
[quote name='dafoomie']It would not be unprecedented for EB/GS to simply not carry new Sony products, KB Toys stopped carrying Sega products when the Saturn launched because they weren't getting units right away. That went on for many years. EB/GS could then carry only used Sony products. The retailers have leverage... You don't want to piss off the retailers.[/quote]
ing sucks and they're going out of business.[quote name='dafoomie']It would not be unprecedented for EB/GS to simply not carry new Sony products, KB Toys stopped carrying Sega products when the Saturn launched because they weren't getting units right away. That went on for many years. EB/GS could then carry only used Sony products. The retailers have leverage... You don't want to piss off the retailers.[/quote]
[quote name='Predator21281']Sad fact of life is everyone will still buy a PS3. The gamers themselves might not touch it, but you still have all the casuals that don't know any better.[/QUOTE]
A lot of those casuals that don't know any better will find out the price of it and say " that, I'll buy something else."
A lot of those casuals that don't know any better will find out the price of it and say "
that, I'll buy something else."
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i dunno i think this is just an attention getter...maybe to get people riled up about it..but thats thinking the latter huh...
if any case this just adds to the circus that sony is putting up...if anything Wii here i come
if any case this just adds to the circus that sony is putting up...if anything Wii here i come
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I couldn't imagine this being true; I don't think Sony's that dumb, honestly. I don't think they want to be the next RIAA.
If it were ture, you KNOW that as soon as Sony steps in to stop someone from selling a used game there's going to be a big lawsuit about the whole thing. It'd be all over the news and the web.
If it were ture, you KNOW that as soon as Sony steps in to stop someone from selling a used game there's going to be a big lawsuit about the whole thing. It'd be all over the news and the web.
Its fake like every other thing online trying to hurt sony http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/24/rumor-sony-to-disable-used-ps3-games-sony-nope/ close thread
[quote name='m0dem']Its fake like every other thing online trying to hurt sony http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/24/rumor-sony-to-disable-used-ps3-games-sony-nope/ close thread[/QUOTE]
Really? The PS3 doesn't cost an arm and a leg? That's fake? SWEET!
I'm sure glad I now know giant companies have feelings; I really wouldn't want to have hurt Sony. I would have felt so bad; sure, sure, they installed spyware on my PC, and I responded with doubts that they have my best interests at heart, but they say you always hurt the ones you love. Thank you, my friend, for bringing us closer together. We'll remember you in our vows.
Please. We were discussing things besides the idea of a technical lockout. If that offends your sensibilites, you can piss off until you grow a pair.
Really? The PS3 doesn't cost an arm and a leg? That's fake? SWEET!
I'm sure glad I now know giant companies have feelings; I really wouldn't want to have hurt Sony. I would have felt so bad; sure, sure, they installed spyware on my PC, and I responded with doubts that they have my best interests at heart, but they say you always hurt the ones you love. Thank you, my friend, for bringing us closer together. We'll remember you in our vows.
Please. We were discussing things besides the idea of a technical lockout. If that offends your sensibilites, you can piss off until you grow a pair.
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[quote name='Kayden']You're forgetting two glaring details- KBToys ing sucks and they're going out of business.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Any retailer that regularly charges over retail deserves to go out of business.
ing sucks and they're going out of business.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Any retailer that regularly charges over retail deserves to go out of business.
[quote name='trq']Really? The PS3 doesn't cost an arm and a leg? That's fake? SWEET!
I'm sure glad I now know giant companies have feelings; I really wouldn't want to have hurt Sony. I would have felt so bad; sure, sure, they installed spyware on my PC, and I responded with doubts that they have my best interests at heart, but they say you always hurt the ones you love. Thank you, my friend, for bringing us closer together. We'll remember you in our vows.
Please. We were discussing things besides the idea of a technical lockout. If that offends your sensibilites, you can piss off until you grow a pair.[/quote]
Seems like your the one whos offended. Are you sad now cause its fake. You wanted sony to get it badly didnt you? And for what you get with the PS3 it doesnt cost an arm and a leg.
I'm sure glad I now know giant companies have feelings; I really wouldn't want to have hurt Sony. I would have felt so bad; sure, sure, they installed spyware on my PC, and I responded with doubts that they have my best interests at heart, but they say you always hurt the ones you love. Thank you, my friend, for bringing us closer together. We'll remember you in our vows.
Please. We were discussing things besides the idea of a technical lockout. If that offends your sensibilites, you can piss off until you grow a pair.[/quote]
Seems like your the one whos offended. Are you sad now cause its fake. You wanted sony to get it badly didnt you? And for what you get with the PS3 it doesnt cost an arm and a leg.
I find it interesting that, unless I missed it, NO ONE has mentioned that this type of practice was legal in Japan up until several years ago. Even more interesting is the fact that it failed in Japan where brand loyalty actually means something. If this were true and Sony were trying to make that possible here in the States then I'd say Sony just signed their own death certificate.
But seriously, there's no way in hell they would commit suicide twice in one month.
But seriously, there's no way in hell they would commit suicide twice in one month.
[quote name='m0dem']Seems like your the one whos offended. Are you sad now cause its fake. You wanted sony to get it badly didnt you? And for what you get with the PS3 it doesnt cost an arm and a leg.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I am, in fact, personally offended by people who react as if their mother had been shivved when others discuss the pros and cons of a possible business maneuver. Nobody was simply bashing Sony. Everyone was having a back and forth about how likely we thought such an action was, how it might happen, and what the consequences might be. Sorry, but you don't get to just declare the thread closed just because it makes your vagina hurt. So one more time: we were discussing other elements besides the technical issues. If you can't keep up, don't play.
Yes, I am, in fact, personally offended by people who react as if their mother had been shivved when others discuss the pros and cons of a possible business maneuver. Nobody was simply bashing Sony. Everyone was having a back and forth about how likely we thought such an action was, how it might happen, and what the consequences might be. Sorry, but you don't get to just declare the thread closed just because it makes your vagina hurt. So one more time: we were discussing other elements besides the technical issues. If you can't keep up, don't play.
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Wow, that would definitely not be a smart thing for Sony to do.
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[quote name='daphatty']I find it interesting that, unless I missed it, NO ONE has mentioned that this type of practice was legal in Japan up until several years ago. Even more interesting is the fact that it failed in Japan where brand loyalty actually means something. If this were true and Sony were trying to make that possible here in the States then I'd say Sony just signed their own death certificate.
But seriously, there's no way in hell they would commit suicide twice in one month.[/QUOTE]
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/24/rumor-sony-to-disable-used-ps3-games-sony-nope/
You should read some of the last few posts, as Sony's denying any such thing.
But seriously, there's no way in hell they would commit suicide twice in one month.[/QUOTE]
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/24/rumor-sony-to-disable-used-ps3-games-sony-nope/
You should read some of the last few posts, as Sony's denying any such thing.
Here is what I think Sony is going to do...
your gonna buy crap for your games using microtransactions. $1 here, $2 there. Your gonna download maps, cars, weapons, whatever... and those things, will be tied to your PS3 and if you bring your game to a friends house, those things wont go with it, and if you sell the game, same thing.
I could even see them tying the purchase of game extras only to a registered copy of the game, so if you ever sold the game and rebought a used copy later, the extras you bought would not work. And theres no way I can see Sony letting you transfer those extra maps, cars, etc to a friends PS3, or sell or transfer them in any way.
your gonna buy crap for your games using microtransactions. $1 here, $2 there. Your gonna download maps, cars, weapons, whatever... and those things, will be tied to your PS3 and if you bring your game to a friends house, those things wont go with it, and if you sell the game, same thing.
I could even see them tying the purchase of game extras only to a registered copy of the game, so if you ever sold the game and rebought a used copy later, the extras you bought would not work. And theres no way I can see Sony letting you transfer those extra maps, cars, etc to a friends PS3, or sell or transfer them in any way.
E-Z-B
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I doubt Sony would do this since consumers are already wary of a $600 price tag, but wanted to share this with everyone here (I didn't see this posted yet for some reason; if so, please delete):
Furor Over Sony Patent
Technology that could prevent resale of games and other digital goods raises speculation, fears.
July 10, 2006
Sony Corp. has patented technology that would prevent its PlayStation consoles from playing used, rented or borrowed video games — raising questions about whether the electronics and entertainment giant may attempt to redefine what it means to own something in the digital age.
Sony has said little about the technology, patented in Japan in 2000, or how it might be deployed. But speculation over Sony's plans has sparked a furor online as game fans and consumer advocates fret that the company may incorporate it into the upcoming PlayStation 3 console, due to hit stores this fall.
They worry that it would wipe out the $1-billion-a-year market for used games and could even prevent someone from playing their games at a friend's house.
It is not unusual for technology companies to patent innovations and then never incorporate them into products.
Documents filed in April 2000 with the U.S. Patent Office describe a method of copy protection by which the game system would verify a disc as legitimate, register the disc to that particular game console, then wipe out verification data so the disc would be rendered unreadable in other PlayStations.
"Since only titles for which legitimate software has actually been purchased and which have been initially registered in the machine table can be used, resale (so-called used software purchase) after purchase by an end user becomes practically impossible," according to the patent documents.
Although Sony has been vague about its plans for the technology, "I actually think they're toying with this idea," said Michael Pachter, a game industry analyst for Wedbush Morgan Securities.
Pachter said he thought Sony probably would not tighten the software locks on PlayStation 3 games but might employ bolstered copy protection on other forms of entertainment downloaded to the console over the Internet.
"Maybe they'll copy protect movies or music downloads," he said.
Sony was attacked this year for including software on some of its music CDs that surreptitiously installed itself on computers playing the disc. The software was intended to prevent unauthorized copying. Sony later apologized.
Taking that sort of copy protection one step further would be, in the words of one analyst, "crazy."
"What does Sony get from that?" said John Taylor of Arcadia Investment Corp. "Sony gets a black eye. It doesn't make sense to me."
McNealy estimated that game fans spent about $990 million buying used games, primarily from GameStop or through EBay. Much of that spending — about $620 million — is for used PlayStation 2 games.
Were Sony to ban the sale of used games for its next-generation PS3, the effect on independent video game publishers would be negligible, McNealy said.
Used-game sales are a growing source of irritation for game publishers, which receive no proceeds from the resale of games. Executives privately complain that cheaper secondhand games are available for sale shortly after a new game's release; publishers, which give retailers marketing money to promote games, end up competing with discounted versions of their own titles.
Meanwhile, used games are a lucrative source of revenue for retailer GameStop, which began reporting pre-owned game sales after its acquisition of competitor EB. Last year, secondhand game sales accounted for $930 million in revenue and $418 million in profit. The profit margin was 45%, compared with 21% for new games, according to Arcadia Investment Corp.
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle...671902,print.story?coll=la-headlines-business
Furor Over Sony Patent
Technology that could prevent resale of games and other digital goods raises speculation, fears.
July 10, 2006
Sony Corp. has patented technology that would prevent its PlayStation consoles from playing used, rented or borrowed video games — raising questions about whether the electronics and entertainment giant may attempt to redefine what it means to own something in the digital age.
Sony has said little about the technology, patented in Japan in 2000, or how it might be deployed. But speculation over Sony's plans has sparked a furor online as game fans and consumer advocates fret that the company may incorporate it into the upcoming PlayStation 3 console, due to hit stores this fall.
They worry that it would wipe out the $1-billion-a-year market for used games and could even prevent someone from playing their games at a friend's house.
It is not unusual for technology companies to patent innovations and then never incorporate them into products.
Documents filed in April 2000 with the U.S. Patent Office describe a method of copy protection by which the game system would verify a disc as legitimate, register the disc to that particular game console, then wipe out verification data so the disc would be rendered unreadable in other PlayStations.
"Since only titles for which legitimate software has actually been purchased and which have been initially registered in the machine table can be used, resale (so-called used software purchase) after purchase by an end user becomes practically impossible," according to the patent documents.
Although Sony has been vague about its plans for the technology, "I actually think they're toying with this idea," said Michael Pachter, a game industry analyst for Wedbush Morgan Securities.
Pachter said he thought Sony probably would not tighten the software locks on PlayStation 3 games but might employ bolstered copy protection on other forms of entertainment downloaded to the console over the Internet.
"Maybe they'll copy protect movies or music downloads," he said.
Sony was attacked this year for including software on some of its music CDs that surreptitiously installed itself on computers playing the disc. The software was intended to prevent unauthorized copying. Sony later apologized.
Taking that sort of copy protection one step further would be, in the words of one analyst, "crazy."
"What does Sony get from that?" said John Taylor of Arcadia Investment Corp. "Sony gets a black eye. It doesn't make sense to me."
McNealy estimated that game fans spent about $990 million buying used games, primarily from GameStop or through EBay. Much of that spending — about $620 million — is for used PlayStation 2 games.
Were Sony to ban the sale of used games for its next-generation PS3, the effect on independent video game publishers would be negligible, McNealy said.
Used-game sales are a growing source of irritation for game publishers, which receive no proceeds from the resale of games. Executives privately complain that cheaper secondhand games are available for sale shortly after a new game's release; publishers, which give retailers marketing money to promote games, end up competing with discounted versions of their own titles.
Meanwhile, used games are a lucrative source of revenue for retailer GameStop, which began reporting pre-owned game sales after its acquisition of competitor EB. Last year, secondhand game sales accounted for $930 million in revenue and $418 million in profit. The profit margin was 45%, compared with 21% for new games, according to Arcadia Investment Corp.
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle...671902,print.story?coll=la-headlines-business
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See, that makes sence to me. Used games are a big problem in gaming, but there has to be a way to CUT DOWN on used games, not eliminate it completley. Also, if this is true, I would have to say I would skip the PS3 this gen, until the PS4 comes out. That way games would be on the cheap.
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[quote name='MillerTime2523'][/color]
See, that makes sence to me. Used games are a big problem in gaming, but there has to be a way to CUT DOWN on used games, not eliminate it completley. [/quote]
They can stop giving huge salaries to executives.
Make sure the games are good enough that people won't trade them in.
Stop spending money on licensing big name voice talent or music (see 2K sports and the way the embrace lesser known artists for their music).
Reduce development costs so that games are priced more reasonably.
Generate alternate revenue through merchandising (action figures, music CDs, books, comics, toys).
See, that makes sence to me. Used games are a big problem in gaming, but there has to be a way to CUT DOWN on used games, not eliminate it completley. [/quote]
They can stop giving huge salaries to executives.
Make sure the games are good enough that people won't trade them in.
Stop spending money on licensing big name voice talent or music (see 2K sports and the way the embrace lesser known artists for their music).
Reduce development costs so that games are priced more reasonably.
Generate alternate revenue through merchandising (action figures, music CDs, books, comics, toys).
Kayden
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But big names are what draws the brainless masses.
"OMG! This soundtrack is by 50 Cent, this game gots ta be phat! *holding Bullet Proof*"
Way back when Omega Boost came out, the sound track was by Static-X before anyone heard of them. Iting rocked.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']They can stop giving huge salaries to executives.
Make sure the games are good enough that people won't trade them in.
Stop spending money on licensing big name voice talent or music (see 2K sports and the way the embrace lesser known artists for their music).
Reduce development costs so that games are priced more reasonably.
Generate alternate revenue through merchandising (action figures, music CDs, books, comics, toys).[/quote]
"OMG! This soundtrack is by 50 Cent, this game gots ta be phat! *holding Bullet Proof*"
Way back when Omega Boost came out, the sound track was by Static-X before anyone heard of them. It
ing rocked.[quote name='GuilewasNK']They can stop giving huge salaries to executives.
Make sure the games are good enough that people won't trade them in.
Stop spending money on licensing big name voice talent or music (see 2K sports and the way the embrace lesser known artists for their music).
Reduce development costs so that games are priced more reasonably.
Generate alternate revenue through merchandising (action figures, music CDs, books, comics, toys).[/quote]
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[quote name='GuilewasNK']They can stop giving huge salaries to executives.
Make sure the games are good enough that people won't trade them in.
Stop spending money on licensing big name voice talent or music (see 2K sports and the way the embrace lesser known artists for their music).
Reduce development costs so that games are priced more reasonably.
Generate alternate revenue through merchandising (action figures, music CDs, books, comics, toys).[/quote]
Good point, but we realize here that Sony isn't just a gaming company, right? They have the ability to generate alternative revenue, but they're just trying to pinch every penny out of every possible consumer for themselves.
Make sure the games are good enough that people won't trade them in.
Stop spending money on licensing big name voice talent or music (see 2K sports and the way the embrace lesser known artists for their music).
Reduce development costs so that games are priced more reasonably.
Generate alternate revenue through merchandising (action figures, music CDs, books, comics, toys).[/quote]
Good point, but we realize here that Sony isn't just a gaming company, right? They have the ability to generate alternative revenue, but they're just trying to pinch every penny out of every possible consumer for themselves.
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And some of you people actually believe this? It's getting to the point where people are just coming up with any kind of bullcrap story possible, just so they can complain about Sony. If you believe this story, I'm surprise you're even smart enough to hold down a job that would even allow you to make the money to afford a PS3.
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[quote name='GuilewasNK']They can stop giving huge salaries to executives.
Make sure the games are good enough that people won't trade them in.
Stop spending money on licensing big name voice talent or music (see 2K sports and the way the embrace lesser known artists for their music).
Reduce development costs so that games are priced more reasonably.
Generate alternate revenue through merchandising (action figures, music CDs, books, comics, toys).[/quote]
Also see 2K spending money on celebrities that you can play against in NFL2K5...
Make sure the games are good enough that people won't trade them in.
Stop spending money on licensing big name voice talent or music (see 2K sports and the way the embrace lesser known artists for their music).
Reduce development costs so that games are priced more reasonably.
Generate alternate revenue through merchandising (action figures, music CDs, books, comics, toys).[/quote]
Also see 2K spending money on celebrities that you can play against in NFL2K5...
RegalSin2020
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I think this is utter trash.
The PlayStation is to be the model or a console that is universal. For them to do the oh once played no loner can read then thats like saying a used game is like a used can of tuna.
If Sony did this at all this would be the end of them in the gaming industry.
The fact is used games is worth more then new and now that would be the opposite trying to make games become worth more then use games.
Personally I will be watching until Sony flisor dies
The PlayStation is to be the model or a console that is universal. For them to do the oh once played no loner can read then thats like saying a used game is like a used can of tuna.
If Sony did this at all this would be the end of them in the gaming industry.
The fact is used games is worth more then new and now that would be the opposite trying to make games become worth more then use games.
Personally I will be watching until Sony flisor dies
If you buy a new console because the old one is broken, then your PS3 library would be rendered useless because it's registered to the old machine?
It's common for people to go through a few consoles because Sony couldn't build a reliable one at launch anyway. Look at PS2: DRE, weak laser...
It's common for people to go through a few consoles because Sony couldn't build a reliable one at launch anyway. Look at PS2: DRE, weak laser...
This has come up again cos some idiot wrote an article about it yesterday that contained NO new news or info of any kind. Even the quotes from the industry analysts are months old. Then Attack of the Show picked up on the article and reported on this yesterday, further stirring the pot.
But I repeat, there is ZERO new news or info of any kind to report on this mattter. Sony applied for that patent in 2000, SIX years ago. They could have incorporated this into the PS2 if they wanted.
But I repeat, there is ZERO new news or info of any kind to report on this mattter. Sony applied for that patent in 2000, SIX years ago. They could have incorporated this into the PS2 if they wanted.
bread's done