PS3 vs. Xbox 360 Sales

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d3gauss3r

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Okay, I'm getting pretty annoyed with all these fanboys. No, the 360 is not better than the PS3, and no, the PS3 is not better than the 360. They may be comparable, but they are different and offer different things. And one big thing that annoys me is all these "360 is outselling the PS3" stories. I'm not saying the 360 hasn't sold more than the PS3, it has, the numbers show that, but take a look at the sales that vgchartz.com shows:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php

This shows sales from day one of the console release through now. If you actually look at it, the PS3 is selling more two years after release than the 360 was selling. Not to mention the whole first year of sales, when all the 360 had to compete against was the PS2 and its own predecessor, xbox; where the PS3 had to compete against the 360, and still managed to pull off pretty even sales.

My main point: its not over yet.
 
a) vgchartz numbers are literally fictional
b) The lead you get by aligning the launches is negligible under the weight of the extra year of sales.

Not only is it over, its been over for a long time.

Would it really matter to anyone if PS3 fractionally edged out the 360 worldwide near the end of the cycle? The race for 2nd is moot.

Instead of aligning to launch, lets align to REALITY (present)
360 vs PS3 in 2008 (US)
360 - 3,295,200
PS3 - 2,818,800

Lets ask Kaz Hirai:
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Who really gives a fuck anymore? Seriously? The 360 isn't going away. The PS3 isn't going away. The Wii certainly isn't going away.

Get over it already.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Would it really matter to anyone if PS3 fractionally edged out the 360 worldwide near the end of the cycle? The race for 2nd is moot.[/quote]

Well lets see.. seeing as how the only similarity between the Wii, 360, and PS3 is that they are part of the 7th generation consoles, the true race for 1st and 2nd isn't quite what you make it. Honestly, the Wii is in its own category entirely. But hey, you'll find a way to bash that comment too, so whatever.
 
Sony's hands are tied as far as pricing. They're $3.3B in the hole, and they just cut 16,000 jobs worldwide. The additional money they'd have to bleed to get slightly more marketshare isnt worth it by any calculation. Their goal now should be to get to profitability, turtle up and prep for the next hardware cycle.

Furthermore, 360 can price drop in retaliation. The $199 Arcade is hot, and they can drop the 60 gig pro from $299 fairly easily. Theres no way Sony can compete in price.

Games dont really matter at this price point. The MGS4 bump has come and gone. R2 just hit. Killzone 2 is next. FF13 exclusive is lost.

The bigger point is, the PS3 will continue to get solid games, its not going to get Dreamcast'd. Therefore, try not to worry about it too much.
 
Yeah, I get sick of all the fanboy nonsense as well. I don't mind discussing the industry, but I hate when people take it personal and get pissed off etc.

Just play what you like and enjoy it. There are more important things to get upset over than nerds statements about game consoles on the internet.
 
[quote name='d3gauss3r']Okay, I'm getting pretty annoyed with all these fanboys.
My main point: its not over yet.[/QUOTE]

So...you're a Sony fanboy then. "I hate fanboys/ BUT ITS NOT OVER!".

Guess what, its over.

The only way the PS3 overtakes the 360 is if the 360 discontinues production. Sony blew it, they'll be learning these lessons for years to come. Now the pressure is on Microsoft to see if their next system can help them retain the crown of "High Def system king" or will they screw it up like SOny blew the PS3..and hand the business back to Sony or, god forbid, Nintendo with a High Def box.

Sony was right about one thing, their system is designed for 10 years....because its obviously taking 3-5 years for developers to release a game on the thing that DOESNT look like a 360 game. :p
 
Firstly, as mentioned, VGChartz is unreliable and somewhat fraudulent. They acquire their data in bits and pieces, and should never be used as a source. What you should refer to are the NPD numbers listed at websites like Gamasutra.

In regards to the console war, I root for the PS3 and 360 as Sony and Microsoft pioneer Hi-Def console gaming; the future of gaming.
 
Well, I'm not a fanboy.. if I could afford both (and not just economically, I have the money.. but personally, I do have a life) I would definitely buy both, because both systems have some great games. And now, if Microsoft had included bluetooth, and maybe let me upgrade to whatever hard drive I choose, I would probably still be leaning towards the 360. But alas, I can only logically buy one, and I prefer my freedom. Although, I do like the sound of Chase's next gen console combo.
 
Yes, it is over, and arguably it was over before it started. During this holiday season, you could've bought a 360 with a hard drive and a separate Blu-ray player for about the same price as a single PS3. It's done.

I wouldn't be surprised if we even see fewer third-party ports to the PS3.
 
It's already been decides for sales this gen Wii>360>PS3. Wii is destroying everyone, and the 360 is playing second fiddle this round and the PS3 is getting gamecubed in terms of sales.

What needs to be decided now is what games sell well and what games do better on what system.

VGChartz might be far from accurate, but until NPD gives out all their data for free again It's a site I frequent most. VGChartz also corrects themselves after NPD dishes out their info anyways.
 
I really don't see how the PS3 using bluetooth makes that much of a difference. I do understand what you mean about the HDD though. But Bluray is REALLY something i wish my 360 could do. If i do buy a PS3, it will be mainly because of that.
 
Well my point with bluetooth is that, for one, I can use any bluetooth keyboard or headset I might want to (headset being the biggy here), and the controller, since it uses bluetooth, and I would assume Sony continues to use it from now on, I could use all the same accessories I might have this time around on the PS4 and so on. No need for buying adapters or new items all together. I know its not a huge deal, but like its been said several times, Sony did do a pretty good job making it future ready. And even if when all is said and done, the PS3 ends in third, or even manages to pull off a draw between the two (meaning within a couple million units or so), I do think they could have just as much luck with the PS4 as they did with the PS2, assuming they don't try to put a holograph projector inside it and sell the thing for $100,000.
 
Yeah, blue tooth is useful. But by the same token it sucks that the remote for blu ray is blue tooth and you have to buy an adaptor to use your universal remote. So their's pros and cons to everything. It was moot for me anyway, as I had no interest in a PS3 now that stand alone BR players are much cheaper (picked up the Sony S350 for $150 on Black Friday), but that was deterrent before as I didn't like the added hassle to be able to use my Harmony remote.
 
Yeah and you see, I'm more of a casual gamer, so I can't justify paying $50 a year to play online every once in a while. And I know bluray players are getting cheaper, but I'm working on trying to consolidate my entertainment system.. currently TV, PC, PS2, and xbox. If only playstation had a good alternative to Halo...
 
The Bluetooth is part of the bigger difference in strategy between Microsoft and Sony. I always buy games for the Xbox given a multi-platform choice (Live, achievements, etc.) but I prefer Sony's strategy. Their wireless is standard (Bluetooth), their charger cables are standard (USB), their hard drive form-factor is standard (2.5" SATA), and so forth... whereas Microsoft uses proprietary everything, and forces proprietary prices upon us.

$200 MSRP for a 120GB hard drive is highway robbery, regardless of what silencing techniques or testing you do to it.
 
[quote name='d3gauss3r']Well, I'm not a fanboy.. if I could afford both (and not just economically, I have the money.. but personally, I do have a life) I would definitely buy both, because both systems have some great games. And now, if Microsoft had included bluetooth, and maybe let me upgrade to whatever hard drive I choose, I would probably still be leaning towards the 360. But alas, I can only logically buy one, and I prefer my freedom. Although, I do like the sound of Chase's next gen console combo.[/QUOTE]

Just one comment on this: upgrading the hard drive on the 360 isn't a necessity.....upgrading it on the PS3 actually IS because all games save data (well many of them) to the hard drive that you will some day have to delete, and we're talking installs on some games of 3-4 gigs each. So while sony was generous in allow ing you to upgrade the HD to whaetver you want, its cuz...you're gonna have to do it. With the 360, you dont even need a HD. Its nice to have, its convenient, but its not *needed*...thats the key.

As for Bluetooth, thats more of a curse on the PS3 than anything else......with the 360 you get a free headset that connects to the controller and works for as long as the controller does, usually 15-20+ hours of gaming using rechargable batteries. If you want a keyboard, you plug in a USB keybaord and an extension cord or you buy that little $30 mini keyboard for the controller.

If you have a PS3, you can use the same USB keyboard....but you're SOL on a mic. You can buy a $30 wired USB mic...that has to connect tot he PS3...OR you can buy a BlueTooth mic. Problem is most of those bluetooth mics that are under $50 bucks don't have long talk-time.....my own mic is only good for using like 3-4 hours before it craps out, and I've gamed for longer than 4 hours on a weekend night many times.

Plus, if you use a universal remote to control your HT system or entertainment center or whatever, you're SOL with the Sony because you need one that has BT enabled (few do)...my $400 Pronto wont do it.

So......again.....it all depends on how you look at it.

I should add that I own a launch 60gig PS3. I've done very little gaming on it...mostly for BD watching and media streaming.....so I'm not a hater on Sony by any stretch ofthe imaginatino, but I do believe as a GAME SYSTEM the PS3 is sub-standard....not because it doesn't have the potential, but because Sony has made it difficult enough for devs to really get power out of the machine that they have to invest alot of time and energy to do it.....and with a lower install base AND alot of those installed systems being used JUSt as BD players, most devs are just going to make a game that is "about as good as the 360 version"......so in that area I feel Sony failed the devs, and by that...they failed us. KZ2 and GT5 and probably the next God of War are the only games on the radar right now for me to buy for that system.
 
I love my 360, I see no need to purchase a PS3. Only thing on a PS3 catches my eye is Blu-ray.
And since the Blu-ray player prices seem to be dropping, What would be the point of a PS3?
I chose Xbox over PS2 and have no regrets. Sure I missed some RPG's but I don't even think I can sit down a play a 40+ hour RPG anymore.
FFXIII would've been one game I was looking forward to on a PS3, then surprise, Square shoved a Middle Finger right up Sony's ass.
Same with Namco and Tekken. I wouldn't be surprised to see MGS4 in 2009while PS3 gets a Substinance package or whatever.
The next Xbox will be a purchase for me, no questions asked. I'm a big Halo lover and nothing on the PS3 will compare to that.
I loved Sony for the PS1 but now they got some real competition.

And I don't think a Wii should be compared with PS3 or 360. Wii is in it's own class right now, so it's going to be #1 regardless.
 
[quote name='d3gauss3r']Yeah and you see, I'm more of a casual gamer, so I can't justify paying $50 a year to play online every once in a while. [/quote]


13 months of Xbox Live can be found for less than $40 at pretty much any given time. 40/13 = 3.08 (roughly) $3 a month for a little casual gaming is more than worth it to me.

SIDE NOTE:

I'm sick of the paid XBL vs free PSN arguements especially now that if you want anything decent as far as beta access or certain game demos you have to pay for Qore.
 
Who cares about the 360 and PS3?

When I release my console, the Gamestation 3000, everyone will be buying/talking about that!
 
Listen to the man. It's over. Sony's lost this gen.

Their games suck this generation too. But that last part is opinion. The first part is fact.
 
I enjoy my PS3, I do enjoy talking about game sales, but just because the PS3 is selling less than their competition doesn't mean that the console is bad. I'm enjoy my PS3 and I'm getting my monies worth out of it.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I enjoy my PS3, I do enjoy talking about game sales, but just because the PS3 is selling less than their competition doesn't mean that the console is bad. I'm enjoy my PS3 and I'm getting my monies worth out of it.[/quote]

I'm glad you are getting your monies worth out of your console. HUZZAH!
 
Wow.. very disappointing considering the PS3 sales were up throughout the year. Definitely a powerful piece of hardware and worth the price of admission. Amazing that Wii sells so fuckin' many units without having to drop even a penny on sale price for over 2 years now (not to mention it never sold at a loss in the first place).
 
Well if it's going to be that kind of thread I might as well come in and swing my dick around.

I've had each console for a limited amount of time this gen. I went Wii> PS3> Wii> 360. Every console has its upside and I convinced myself that I'm 'done' with changing systems after I got the 360. There are a lot of things I dislike about the 360 and I've kind of fallen out of love with it.

I'm all torn up about all the hot shit coming out on PSN next year. If I can find a deal on a new PS3 for less than 300, the Xbox goes.
 
Sony acts like they're in a world of their own.. other than put PS3 on shelves what have they done to make the PS3 a more attractive buy for consumers. Giving the PS3 more "product" (bigger hard drive) is what they've done since day 1. That doesn't work.. Sony putting more product in the PS3 package, is like adding additional features to a Porsche.. yet that's great, and yeah you may be the fastest but I still can't afford you. Sony is like the vender on the street or in the flea market, that refuses to slash the price. Sony says PS3 is 399, and I say all I got is 350... and they say no deal. But all the other venders are selling like hotcakes. At least throw in a free Dark Knight blu ray for Chrismas, and a Lego batman, or somthing.. Sony has their own plan and they're going to stick to it. I just feel bad for devs that release on PS3 exclusively, they deserve to have big sales, and Sony imo needs to work harder to grow the user base.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Well if it's going to be that kind of thread I might as well come in and swing my dick around.

I've had each console for a limited amount of time this gen. I went Wii> PS3> Wii> 360. Every console has its upside and I convinced myself that I'm 'done' with changing systems after I got the 360. There are a lot of things I dislike about the 360 and I've kind of fallen out of love with it.

I'm all torn up about all the hot shit coming out on PSN next year. If I can find a deal on a new PS3 for less than 300, the Xbox goes.[/quote]


Why dont you keep the 360 and save up for a PS3?

Why not do the Sony Card thing?
 
Sony fucked up this generation.

It all started with, "599 US DOLLARS!!", "PPL WILL WERK MOR FOR OUR CONSOLE", and all the other garbage they spouted.

Sony has piss poor management across its branches, and it reflects.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']Why dont you keep the 360 and save up for a PS3?

Why not do the Sony Card thing?[/quote]
I'm done with all the 360 exclusives I wanted to play. I was majorly bummed out about the Castle Crashers issues and Fable II kind of sucking so I'm all set unless something amazing gets announced for next year. I'm also pretty fed up with the behavior on LIVE so the multiplayer aspect isn't really a draw. Lastly, I stay a 'one console' man so as not to build up a ridiculous back log. This means no portables as well.

The SONY card isn't an option for me as I have no established credit otherwise I'd be all over that like dorito crumbs on a fat chick.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']Sony fucked up this generation.

It all started with, "599 US DOLLARS!!", "PPL WILL WERK MOR FOR OUR CONSOLE", and all the other garbage they spouted.

Sony has piss poor management across its branches, and it reflects.[/QUOTE]

yeah, Sony fucked up at the management level, but the console itself... they didn't fuck up the PS3. Although its not selling the most, and its not the most popular, the PS3 as a product is great.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']I'm done with all the 360 exclusives I wanted to play. I was majorly bummed out about the Castle Crashers issues and Fable II kind of sucking so I'm all set unless something amazing gets announced for next year. I'm also pretty fed up with the behavior on LIVE so the multiplayer aspect isn't really a draw. Lastly, I stay a 'one console' man so as not to build up a ridiculous back log. This means no portables as well.

The SONY card isn't an option for me as I have no established credit otherwise I'd be all over that like dorito crumbs on a fat chick.[/quote]


less fun for you i guess...sounds like you have backed yourself into an imaginary console corner

as for your credit - you can apply for the card and the WORST they can do is say no...
 
I've been reading the back of my EGMs, with their figures it's pretty clear the PS3 is not outselling the 360. Also, the Wii is dominating the market with mediocre titles. Wii music outsold Fable II and Little Big Planet
 
[quote name='Thomas96']yeah, Sony fucked up at the management level, but the console itself... they didn't fuck up the PS3. Although its not selling the most, and its not the most popular, the PS3 as a product is great.[/quote]

I agree with this.
The PS3 as a product itself is great. It does not break, and is the best blu-ray player money can buy.

They just messed up spreading it as much as it could have been spread.
 
As I said in the Wii topic sales mean nothing and number of quality games everything. When you look at whats out, whats coming out and what each system keeps stealing from the other one its a clear choice. The 360 may not have a dominating lead but in number of quality titles it does have a clear lead over the PS3. The PS3 has been fighting it out with the Wii up till now for second place. But it appears Nintendo has pretty much thrown in the towel on making real games(not really but close to it)and they have seriously given up on drawing third party to their system.....so Sonys lead for the next year or 2 is clear.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']As I said in the Wii topic sales mean nothing and number of quality games everything. When you look at whats out, whats coming out and what each system keeps stealing from the other one its a clear choice. The 360 may not have a dominating lead but in number of quality titles it does have a clear lead over the PS3. The PS3 has been fighting it out with the Wii up till now for second place. But it appears Nintendo has pretty much thrown in the towel on making real games(not really but close to it)and they have seriously given up on drawing third party to their system.....so Sonys lead for the next year or 2 is clear.[/quote]


You have got to be talking from the consumer point of view because if any one of the current gen consoles had only sold half a million up to this point they would have closed shop.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']You have got to be talking from the consumer point of view because if any one of the current gen consoles had only sold half a million up to this point they would have closed shop.[/QUOTE]

Talking a consumer stand point. From a gamers stand point all that should matter is getting your hands on as many good games as possible. Currently the 360 is the system taht is seeing the most quality titles, especially if you discount PS3 titles that were originally Xbox exclusives(Eternal Sonata and Bioshock being examples of games that are now multi console but only after a year +)
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Talking a consumer stand point. From a gamers stand point all that should matter is getting your hands on as many good games as possible. Currently the 360 is the system taht is seeing the most quality titles, especially if you discount PS3 titles that were originally Xbox exclusives(Eternal Sonata and Bioshock being examples of games that are now multi console but only after a year +)[/quote]


From a gamer/consumer stand point you want the console to sell as much as possible AND be taken serious by developers. The Wii is selling like hotcakes but no developer seems to take it seriously enough to put great games on it. The Xbox 360 is selling very well and is taken seriously so it gets great games and developers jumping ship from other consoles to get a piece of the action.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']We dont even need to bring the Wii into the equation: Address what the PS3 can do in 2009 to bridge the gap with the 360.[/QUOTE]

yeah because they are not competing... its irony at its finest...

I barely have time for two and I chose the PS3 and Wii this time... I had a few 360's and settled on the PS3 due mainly because of Blu..

There is no way in hell all these doomsday predictions will stop Sony from selling the PS3. Nothing is going to change for the near future. It may gamecube it but there will still be games to buy.

Whats relly sad is to see the Mirrors edge and deadspace numbers... EA may very well can the idea of bringing new franchises out... I hope they look a litte long term here and realize the sequals would do considerably better...
 
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As an RPG gamer 99% of the time, I have no interest in the PS3 yet.

As for using a Sony card to get a PS3 cheaper....dumb idea to open a line of credit just to buy a stupid game console.
 
Right now the PS3 isn't selling because its too expensive, its not because its a bad product, or because its a product that people don't want.. its a product that people can't afford. Also, PS3 will get cheaper and will get better games, which will lead to increased sales. Coming out with a new console (for sony) would be silly and a waste R&D. PS3 is a product that isn't going to be out of date for a long time. That's the main point, you don't stop selling PS3s until the market starts to consider it obselete, for goodness sakes, the PS2 is still selling. I'd love to see one more PS2 design where its in the form of a Portable DVD player w/ a screen that folds up - for about 119.99. Main thing is that, PS2 is still selling, I think that its going to take a longer period of time for the PS3 to catch on before it starts to sell.

With the 360, I think people are starting to feel that it has run its course and that the games aren't going to get any better graphically..
 
Now thats the Thomas we all know and love.

The problem with things improving later in the generation is that there is no example of it ever happening or any reason to believe it that will. Games and price dont actually matter once the momentum and public opinion is working against you. That is to say, in the big picture, people DONT want it.

There are zero historical instances of a price drop from the non-market leader position resulting in anything but a short term boost. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
 
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