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tylerh1701 said:
I've been doing my best waiting for everything PS4-related to hit PS+, and I gotta say it's hard. I mean, 2 games a month is nice. But there's a lot of games out there on PS4 that I want. To be fair most of them haven't been on sale yet, but there's a ton of games that I won't be able to hold back on when they hit 50% off or more.

One thing that does help me wait is the shitty new price structure though. Even at 50%, games like Transistor and Swapper are going to be $10. I don't like paying that much for digital games.
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Transistor for $20 is worth it. At $10 is a steal.
 
SJD said:
Not to be like the rest, but spending $1150 for PC gaming... fuck THAT NOISE.

Everybody has their tastes and I'm cool with it. But those costs add up. I don't see added costs for console and if you buy one, you know what you're getting into. /discussion
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Here is why I hate PC elitists... I agree you can get the absolute best a game can bring on PC... but to my point, I know I will get 10 years of gaming on my PS4 without having to worry about upgrading or paying anything beyond the 400 I spent on it. PC, to last 10 years I will have to buy upgrades every few years... not worth it!

 
I want a system that will play every game made for it without touching settings or worrying about any potential system upgrades.    I don't want games to get progressively sluggish as the years pass and my system becomes 'less powerful' compared to cutting edge.   Rather, I want games to get better as the  years pass as devs learn to optimize for the system.

Even though I tend to prefer the strategy games on pc more than console games I like knowing devs have a fixed platform to target, especially for my fps/racing/arcade fixes.

PC gaming may be 'easy' now, but it still means I'll naturally have this ever present desire to upgrade it every time a new game comes out that doesn't run optimally.   I never need to think about that with my consoles, and that makes me a console gamer.

 
SJD said:
Not to be like the rest, but spending $1150 for PC gaming... fuck THAT NOISE.

Everybody has their tastes and I'm cool with it. But those costs add up. I don't see added costs for console and if you buy one, you know what you're getting into. /discussion
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I'm only buying a desktop because I want better performance but needed a laptop and wanted to be able to play games in the mean time. I could have just as easily went with a cheap $200 netbook and then the $600 desktop, but that wasn't what I wanted. That adds up to $800, which is twice what a PS4 costs, but how many are spending close to $400 for a general use PC in the first place? It's a higher up front cost, but it balances itself out.

Then you are also getting: A) significantly better performance, B) a far larger library of games, C) cheaper prices on games, D) access to tons of mods and ways to tweet your games, E) free online, and a myriad of other advantages.

I know I'm just sounding like a PC elitist, which isn't my intention, but people are still looking at it from the wrong angle and using that as an excuse for why the like consoles better. There are reasons for liking consoles over PC, but I wouldn't consider cost one of them.

EDIT: and I forgot to add that in this scenario you're getting two PCs. Cut out the netbook and it's $600, which is only $200 more than a PS4 and you will wind up saving far more over time.

 
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tylerh1701 said:
I don't consider that buying "on credit". Yes it's on your credit card, but if you pay it off every month then it's not really on credit to me. It's just an alternative method of paying cash.

My friend works at a bank and he has recruited most my friends to join up with him, but he knows not to bother with me because I'm actually good at managing my money to make sure I don't pay bank fees or CC interest.
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I knew what you meant. I was just taking advantage of the wording to mention another point.

Many people that barely understand finances are just taught CCs are bad. They are actually an excellent tool if you live within your means. I understand why it makes more sense just to alienate cards in general since the American public is not exactly the smartest group.

tylerh1701 said:
Well why is the average American so terrible then?
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Because they believe they deserve whatever they want regardless of ability to pay for it.

 
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tylerh1701 said:
Well why is the average American so terrible then?
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Honestly, I am not going to make excuses, but there is a decent amount of people out there who cannot meet the standard living expenses that are needed, especially if you add in the want and desire to go to school. Just saying, the true people that really struggle is the middle class. And the middle class are the big debt people... then there is the lack of education that comes with managing money and debt and then CC companies bombard people with cards with out true education.... there are a lot of things wrong that lead to it. Then there is of course people who just don't know how to manage or don't understand and screw themselves over.

 
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Well why is the average American so terrible then?
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those people made America what it is today. Debt spurs growth. Some individuals just need to be better at managing it. And those 100k plus guys keeper talked about are everywhere. The more money you have the more you spend. Gotta keep up the lifestyle. My wife gets caught up in it too much so we have some debt. Cc debt will be about 10k by years end. Then I will use some of my bonus too pay it off. Then the cycle begins again.
 
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GatorBeerGeek said:
I knew what you meant. I was just taking advantage of the wording to mention another point.

Many people that barely understand finances are just taught CCs are bad. They are actually an excellent tool if you live within your means. I understand why it makes more sense just to alienate
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Completely agree, also starting with very low amount credit cards would be very wise for a lot of people, but again they are scared of CC and then when they do get one, its a high balance card and before they know it they are screwed.

 
MrNinjaSquirrel said:
I know I'm just sounding like a PC elitist, which isn't my intention, but people are still looking at it from the wrong angle and using that as an excuse for why the like consoles better. There are reasons for liking consoles over PC, but I wouldn't consider cost one of them.
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I used to game on PC. Back in the days of Doom, Quake, Descent etc. I considered getting back into that this time last year when MS pulled all their DRM crap, Kinect, no game trading nonsense. I figured Sony would follow suit and price. For $500 I am a good chunk of the way there for a mid range gaming PC. And with all the cheap game sales on Steam I would be set.

But I really didn't want to have that in my apartment. A tower next to the TV. Then dealing with Microsoft updates, buying a copy of Windows (if I built my own PC), upgrading the CPU, MB, memory and video card every few years. I have been there done that (granted not in recent years).

For $400 I can play most of the games I care about and not have to think too much about upgrading. Maybe replace the drive with a larger one some day and maybe trade up to a redesigned PS4 too.

I deal with PCs and servers at work. When I come home I want to turn on my video game and blow stuff up. Not download patches and screw around with config files and research my next upgrade.

I haven't built a PC in years and don't miss it at all.

 
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MrNinjaSquirrel said:
I'm only buying a desktop because I want better performance but needed a laptop and wanted to be able to play games in the mean time. I could have just as easily went with a cheap $200 netbook and then the $600 desktop, but that wasn't what I wanted. That adds up to $800, which is twice what a PS4 costs, but how many are spending close to $400 for a general use PC in the first place? It's a higher up front cost, but it balances itself out.

Then you are also getting: A) significantly better performance, B) a far larger library of games, C) cheaper prices on games, D) access to tons of mods and ways to tweet your games, E) free online, and a myriad of other advantages.

I know I'm just sounding like a PC elitist, which isn't my intention, but people are still looking at it from the wrong angle and using that as an excuse for why the like consoles better. There are reasons for liking consoles over PC, but I wouldn't consider cost one of them.

EDIT: and I forgot to add that in this scenario you're getting two PCs. Cut out the netbook and it's $600, which is only $200 more than a PS4 and you will wind up saving far more over time.
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I paid about $576 for my PS4 and work PC. My PC can run games(being mostly the crap middleware found in Steam, no AAA) and it does everything I need it too. Which is basically $26 more than the laptop you bought. You do have a mentality about it and there are added costs. You said you could take shortcuts, but that is not what you're doing. PC gaming mp is "free", but once it evolves, thanks to SteamOS, that will change.

Like I said, it's cool you like PC and I like consoles. But extra money for 30 more frames/200 more p's... Like saying Snakey is right about 1080p/60 fps games and the rest is crap.
 
There's a new version of the Elgato Gamecapture HD coming soon that will do 1080p 60fps recording and live streams. Snakey needs this. Or maybe he doesn't seeing how he was playing The Last of Us Remastered at 720p and lovin' it.

 
tylerh1701 said:
This is part of our Wellness Incentive, something we've been getting for the last few years to help encourage full time employees to improve their health and lifestyle choices. It's really cool. We're eligible for up to $600 this year. You can be damn sure I'll be getting all of it.
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So I guess the class on how eating fast food for lunch every day is bad hasn't happened yet, huh?

 
bestkeeper14 said:
Here is why I hate PC elitists... I agree you can get the absolute best a game can bring on PC... but to my point, I know I will get 10 years of gaming on my PS4 without having to worry about upgrading or paying anything beyond the 400 I spent on it. PC, to last 10 years I will have to buy upgrades every few years... not worth it!
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So are you saying you're not going to replace your PC anyway for general purposes in those 10 years? People are already spending the money on them just to browse the web/do work/watch porn/whatever, and if you add in the cost of a console (plus what you're paying for online and how much more you're paying for games) it quickly becomes cheaper to game on PC. I don't see why this is hard to grasp.

affa said:
I want a system that will play every game made for it without touching settings or worrying about any potential system upgrades. I don't want games to get progressively sluggish as the years pass and my system becomes 'less powerful' compared to cutting edge. Rather, I want games to get better as the years pass as devs learn to optimize for the system.

Even though I tend to prefer the strategy games on pc more than console games I like knowing devs have a fixed platform to target, especially for my fps/racing/arcade fixes.

PC gaming may be 'easy' now, but it still means I'll naturally have this ever present desire to upgrade it every time a new game comes out that doesn't run optimally. I never need to think about that with my consoles, and that makes me a console gamer.
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Well you're looking at it from the angle of a steady bar going up in the quality of visuals, which is how it always is on consoles. On PC though you're getting the peak of the bar, but you're getting it now instead of seeing a constant rise in the quality. That doesn't mean you're somehow getting worse performance as the years go by, you're just not seeing the constant increase in the quality of visuals because you have it from the start. Those that want to see that boost only have to throw in a new graphics card every few years (which if you look at it as costing $100-$200 is just what you would be paying to play online on PS4). You're still paying the same amount of money, you just aren't putting it in the same place.

Crunchewy said:
Why are you buying a desktop, Squirrel, if the laptop plays everything better than consoles already? Seems kind of pointless.
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When I say consoles I mean now last gen (PS3/360). It's a year old and next gen games are starting to become more taxing, so I'm getting a desktop to counteract that. The laptop was basically my quick fix that I've been very happy with, but it has limitations and those are starting to show.

 
munkywawa said:
So I guess the class on how eating fast food for lunch every day is bad hasn't happened yet, huh?
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I don't have to actually "be healthier" to get the money. I just have to attend the lectures and complete the online workshops and stuff.

I had Mexican ribs for lunch, they were delicious.

 
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breakfuss said:
HI, BILLY MAYS HERE WITH BAIT.
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Hey fuck you asshole, there's no fucking way you're Billy Mays! I know for a fact that the dude is dead because I went to his last infomercial taping in 2009. I've personally seen Mr Mays live 14 times. Don't you even dare insult the genius by trying to pretend you're him!
 
Taxi button and Hijack vehicle button being the recycling symbol (Triangle) is one of my biggest gripes with Sleeping Dogs. I'd say probably 50% of the time I end up stealing the car instead of fast traveling.

 
MrNinjaSquirrel said:
Um, what? If you're implying Steam is going to start charging for MP that might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard you say, which is saying something.
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Don't get touchy, this isn't personal. And isn't SteamOS... an OS? It's free then? And what I'm saying is that Steam has no true competitors, so they can implement whatever the fuck they want.

But then again, sorry if I dissed your religion, Squirrel.
 
Corgstradamus said:
Taxi button and Hijack vehicle button being the recycling symbol (Triangle) is one of my biggest gripes with Sleeping Dogs. I'd say probably 50% of the time I end up stealing the car instead of fast traveling.
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Some GTA games have that exact same issue. These games really just need to allow fast traveling via the in-game map.

 
SJD said:
Don't get touchy, this isn't personal. And isn't SteamOS... an OS? It's free then? And what I'm saying is that Steam has no true competitors, so they can implement whatever the fuck they want.

But then again, sorry if I dissed your religion, Squirrel.
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hadn't actually considered this, but there's no reason to believe that it's impossible for them to pull a Steam+ one day. I'd be pretty surprised, but I was surprised when Sony snuck it in to a powerpoint slide that ps4 multiplayer would require ps+. valve is in it to make money just like everyone else, and if they think the risk of pissing off the pc gamers is worth the potential profit of course they'll do it.

pc gaming is trending up, so you should expect some cashgrabs from some direction so companiez can get the moniez while it's rollin.
 
handsomepete said:
also learned that for the 10k honor trophy in tom:arena you have to have all 10k at once. fuck that noise.

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I keep trying to find an animated gif of token doing that funny hand thing when he says 'I'm out' in that one episode of south park. you guys all know what I'm talking about I'm sure.
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Crunchewy said:
Does Squirrel have credit card debt? That's what I want to know. The answer better be yes!
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No I don't, in fact I don't even have a credit card (debit card and paypal is all I've needed).

SJD said:
Don't get touchy, this isn't personal. And isn't SteamOS... an OS? It's free then? And what I'm saying is that Steam has no true competitors, so they can implement whatever the fuck they want.

But then again, sorry if I dissed your religion, Squirrel.
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handsomepete said:
hadn't actually considered this, but there's no reason to believe that it's impossible for them to pull a Steam+ one day. I'd be pretty surprised, but I was surprised when Sony snuck it in to a powerpoint slide that ps4 multiplayer would require ps+. valve is in it to make money just like everyone else, and if they think the risk of pissing off the pc gamers is worth the potential profit of course they'll do it.

pc gaming is trending up, so you should expect some cashgrabs from some direction so companiez can get the moniez while it's rollin.
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I'm not touchy, I just think you're making some ridiculous predictions. They aren't going to implement paid MP, especially not because of SteamOS (which is just a reskinned Linux distro designed to try and distance themselves from Windows and Microsoft as much as possible), not only because it would piss off millions of users but because it would fly in the face of their F2P model which has become insanely profitable for them. If they suddenly required people to pay to play Team Fortress 2 or Dota 2, they would cease being the most popular games on the platform, and people would go play the many other options they have (tons of the F2P games on Steam exist outside of it as well, which would mean people could just as easily leave and Valve wouldn't get anything). It would be the stupidest decision financially Valve has ever made, and people would just as quickly find ways around it.

It's not at all the same as what Sony did with PS4, because there is no competition there. You want to play online, you pay for PS+ that's the only option. With PC there are tons and tons of alternatives and Valve would be shooting themselves in the foot if they suddenly attempted to charge people for something that has been free for decades.
 
affa said:
If i make the statement that I didn't feel the need to make racist comments during Sleeping Dogs, I must be a white male that's never dealt with racism? I gave someone a hard time for saying they wanted to say racist things, and that means I've never dealt with racism?
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I responded to your point about "no racism in any games". Never said you were wrong or that I'm more enlightened so, please, take your meds and relax. You are entitled to your beliefs. And I'm as equally entitled to question what informs them. Especially if you're going to share them on a forum. No fucking offense was meant. If anything, I was trying to be understanding despite vehemently disagreeing. All these so-called inferences you think I've made about the "real life" affa are in your head, son.

-Billy Mays out.
 
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what are the other super convenient methods of managing a digital library of hundreds of games on the pc that manages patching, cross game chat, purchases and of course actually launching? valve's got shit pretty sewn up as best I can tell - even if they did make a dumbass business decision how many people would really ditch them? people have sunk literally hundreds if not thousands of dollars in to their steam library. everyone would ditch their whole library because 'fuck valve'? no way. pc gamers would take it just to maintain access and justify the new monthly cost.

not everyone of course, the principaled legions would certainly be vocal as hell and start coding an alternative or whatever, but you're nuts if you think everyone would just split en masse. and that's all assuming it was some giant fuck you business decision, not something shrouded in benefits like free games and extra special sale benefits.

is origin still a thing?
 
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