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Tyler I dont know how what I said was funny at all. But I forgot you are retarded until you called it the box button again. So now it makes sense.

Matt dont mess with my pharmaceuticals man! And not a big deal but lets remember it isnt the gov making money here. Its the politicians and their friends in the big drug and cig companies making money. The govt spends and will only make money if wr legalize and tax everything. But you already stated why that's not in their best interests.
 
laundrymatt said:
Wren pretty much mailed it. The "war" on drugs is nothing more than a cash grab for the government. It will never be "winnable" or even close to it. You want to "win the war"? Then make them all legal, tax the shit outta them, and regulate them. That will all but kill the black market, reducing crime in the process.

My opinion??? This never happens because the government makes so much money off having people addicted to pharmaceutical drugs, they're afraid (just like with medical marijuana) that it will put a dent in their money making. The same thing has happened with e-cigarettes. Once they realized how good of a replacement these things are, and that its crippling their money from tobacco sales, they do whatever they can to discredit them, tax them out the ass, or straight up get rid of them.

It has always been, and will always be, about the money. Never about the people.
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While I agree with pretty much everything here, it's worth noting that a big part of the issue isn't just that 'government' makes too much money, but also that our government is deeply in bed with corporate interests (in this case, big pharm, but it's true of almost every industry). Heck, many of the bills that get passed are essentially written (and certainly approved) by the lobbyists representing the affected industries. It's why 'regulations' never work... they're written by those they're supposed to cap. Big Pharm and drug laws, Big Farm and 'organic'/gmo regs, Disney and copyright, the entertainment industry and the DMCA and [no longer] public airwaves, it goes on and on and on. Basically, my point is just that you're right, but it's not just because of gov't coffers... it's because of politicians lining their own pockets, campaign financing / lobbyist issues, politicians and policy makers with deep ties to private industry, etc.

 
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Also doesn't it have 1 gig of storage on it? You can't store games on that gig, but it frees up room on your memory card for more games. Did I dream reading that or is that legit?
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It's either/or. You can only see the 1gb internal memory if you don't have a memory card in...which you really have to have to do anything with the Vita anyway. The only time it would ever be useful is if you're doing all your gaming on physical media. It's a pointless addition and I didn't mention it for a reason.

 
Here's a really good video that summarizes the war on drugs, IMO. Coolest part is that it stars Andre from The League.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONAqaxgIoo

 
Thermopyle said:
It's either/or. You can only see the 1gb internal memory if you don't have a memory card in...which you really have to have to do anything with the Vita anyway. The only time it would ever be useful is if you're doing all your gaming on physical media. It's a pointless addition and I didn't mention it for a reason.
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Ok. Thanks for straitening me out. Yeah, that *is* pretty worthless, pointless.

I guess its to appease the "but it doesn't work outta the box" crowd.

They should just include a cheap 4gig card.
 
TopsideKracker said:
Wow, that Strider speed run was a helluva lot easier than I expected...


Fun game if you like metroidvania style games, but it's pretty simple (except when you're traveling between areas trying to collect everything - they kinda fucked that up. Fast travel would have been nice.)
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Well, thanks for the motivation for finishing the plat. Just finished it again real quick since the speed run was all I needed. Did it slightly faster than you, though I think I could have shaved off a lot of time wasted on some unnecessary upgrades. Also, I played it on normal this time so I'm pretty sure I beat the time from when I played it on ps3. (2:24:18, 43.8%)

 
BTW I was just at Target to get my $20 GC for Ghosts PS3 along with 20% off Destiny. Stopped by Best Buy because I wanted to see if they had any Golds on display so I could try them. They did not.

They did, however, have a DS4 with the rubber completely ripped off the left analog. That was delightful.  :wall:

 
simmias said:
God damn it, I'm going out in like an hour. I'll be back around 10 EST though if you'll still be on. I'll look for you.
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I dont know if your doing something against your will but I find it /funny we get pissed for having plans on a Saturday night over playing video games.
 
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I don't know if I wanna get minecraft on PS4 for $5. Will any of you play it? I ended up playing the last time by myself, and as relaxing as it was, I started to get bored of it. Wasn't as fun as the first time I played it.

 
tylerh1701 said:
With Vig's lame ass Sound Shapes sync, it put him, me, Sim, and Wren all within 8000 points of one another on TT.
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I've never smoked pot. I can't really handle things that have to be smoked. I would probably eat it just to try it out, but I've never been presented the chance. I don't have an issue with people who smoke pot or do any drugs for that matter. What I hate are the idiots who try to throw it out there like "No one has ever died from pot." Yeah maybe not, but I promise you that plenty of people have died from doing stupid shit while high. 

But basically, when it comes down to it my philosophy in life is to just not give a shit what other people want to do with their lives. If it in no way has an impact on my life, I really couldnt care less what someone does.

 
laundrymatt said:
Wren pretty much mailed it. The "war" on drugs is nothing more than a cash grab for the government. It will never be "winnable" or even close to it. You want to "win the war"? Then make them all legal, tax the shit outta them, and regulate them. That will all but kill the black market, reducing crime in the process.

My opinion??? This never happens because the government makes so much money off having people addicted to pharmaceutical drugs, they're afraid (just like with medical marijuana) that it will put a dent in their money making. The same thing has happened with e-cigarettes. Once they realized how good of a replacement these things are, and that its crippling their money from tobacco sales, they do whatever they can to discredit them, tax them out the ass, or straight up get rid of them.

It has always been, and will always be, about the money. Never about the people.
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War on drugs is a cash grab for the government, so we should legalize drugs and... tax them? That would also be a huge cash grab for the government. Bureaucracies would still need to exist to enforce tax compliance, crack down on illegal growers and sellers, various amounts of possession would still be criminalized (like with alcohol and cigarettes, only at way lower levels). The more the drugs are taxed and regulated, the less its impact on the black market would be, which would only empower the government to further regulate/tax/whatever. This is on top of the huge revenue that would be going straight to the hands of government under your legalization proposal, which isn't currently happening.

The correct solution is to decriminalize it, legalize it, whatever, and require no licensing and not tax it. You can then fire a good chunk of the police force, have far fewer people in prison for putting things into their own fucking body, and give the government less of an incentive to militarize police forces across the country.

Of course, democrats would never go for that, since they love nanny state government and unions too much to fire a bunch of government enforcers, and republicans fellate cops and law and order and every possible opportunity.

 
Thermopyle said:
Here's a really good video that summarizes the war on drugs, IMO. Coolest part is that it stars Andre from The League.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONAqaxgIoo
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Immigration laws got their start against some of those same groups in the 1800s. Fancy that, the government using expanded power in one area as justification for limiting freedom elsewhere, too.

 
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Feeding the Abscess said:
War on drugs is a cash grab for the government, so we should legalize drugs and... tax them? That would also be a huge cash grab for the government. Bureaucracies would still need to exist to enforce tax compliance, crack down on illegal growers and sellers, various amounts of possession would still be criminalized (like with alcohol and cigarettes, only at way lower levels). The more the drugs are taxed and regulated, the less its impact on the black market would be, which would only empower the government to further regulate/tax/whatever. This is on top of the huge revenue that would be going straight to the hands of government under your legalization proposal, which isn't currently happening.

The correct solution is to decriminalize it, legalize it, whatever, and require no licensing and not tax it. You can then fire a good chunk of the police force, have far fewer people in prison for putting things into their own fucking body, and give the government less of an incentive to militarize police forces across the country.

Of course, democrats would never go for that, since they love nanny state government and unions too much to fire a bunch of government enforcers, and republicans fellate cops and law and order and every possible opportunity.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/03/11/its-no-toke-colorado-pulls-in-millions-in-marijuana-tax-revenue/

I also forgot about those thriving alcohol and tobacco black markets.
 
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TheCAGChampIsHere said:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/03/11/its-no-toke-colorado-pulls-in-millions-in-marijuana-tax-revenue/

I also forgot about those thriving alcohol and tobacco black markets.
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There was a dude who was recently killed by cops in New York because he was selling loose cigarettes. States with punitive laws are experiencing black markets:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-boom-in-smuggling-to-avoid-cigarette-taxes/

And I don't see increased revenue for the government as a good thing. Unless the 'tax and regulate' pathway for drug legalization includes massive police layoffs, it's a failure.

 
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Feeding the Abscess said:
There was a dude who was recently killed by cops in New York because he was selling loose cigarettes.

And I don't see increased revenue for the government as a good thing. Unless the 'tax and regulate' pathway for drug legalization includes massive police layoffs, it's a failure.
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Oh shit, that is totally comparable to the marijuana black market, good example.
 
TheCAGChampIsHere said:
Are you trying to prove my point or switch your argument?
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My argument has been that heavily taxing and regulating drugs won't limit the black market in the same manner as legalizing and not taxing and regulating it (it will also lessen benefits of slashed government bureaucracy and police forces). Even with a product that has been widely available (cigarettes), black markets are emerging in areas that are punitively taxing and regulating it.

Because I haven't said taxing or regulating enough in this post, I feel the need to type taxing and regulating again.

If I'm coming off as extremist, it's because I am. Taxing and regulating (had to type it again) would be better than the current situation, but I just can't get excited for it.

 
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Feeding the Abscess said:
And I don't see increased revenue for the government as a good thing. Unless the 'tax and regulate' pathway for drug legalization includes massive police layoffs, it's a failure.
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Why would you not see this as a good thing? As long as it doesn't line someones personal pocket, it shouldn't be anything BUT a good thing. Sure, there will be qualms with what to spend it on, or not to spend it on, but thats to be expected. My only fear is that this wouldn't happen. Just like the lottery. You can't tell me (with where I live, anyways) that all the proceeds go to education. We're laying off teachers left and right, cutting the remaining ones pay, etc.

And massive police layoffs? For what? Make them do their fucking job for once. Maybe can a large portion of drug-only related task forces, etc.

 
I'm also confused as to how the drug war is a money grab. It's an enormous money pit, unless you guys are talking about state governments but it's still wasted money.

You won't need to create new departments to regulate weed, you just have the departments currently regulating other products take care of weed as well.

Laying off police is asinine, you don't need to lay them off, you can transfer them to departments where they can do more good for the community.
 
ProfessorStotch said:
I've never smoked pot. I can't really handle things that have to be smoked. I would probably eat it just to try it out, but I've never been presented the chance. I don't have an issue with people who smoke pot or do any drugs for that matter. What I hate are the idiots who try to throw it out there like "No one has ever died from pot." Yeah maybe not, but I promise you that plenty of people have died from doing stupid shit while high.

But basically, when it comes down to it my philosophy in life is to just not give a shit what other people want to do with their lives. If it in no way has an impact on my life, I really couldnt care less what someone does.
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Lol, but it's true. Who's died from weed?! Alcohol is wayyyy more harmful. I've encountered plenty of belligerent drunks (myself included). People who are fucking high don't want to hurt anyone. The "war" is a farce. Violent (drug-related) crime continues to decline while we simultaneously imprison more people.

IMO, the war is about maintaining a permanent underclass. We got more people in prison now than we ever had enslaved. Once you criminalize someone, it becomes exponentially harder for them to find gainful employment. They can't receive financial aid/college loans. They can't vote in some areas. Becomes harder to lease/buy decent housing. All sorts of shit.
 
laundrymatt said:
Why would you not see this as a good thing? As long as it doesn't line someones personal pocket, it shouldn't be anything BUT a good thing. Sure, there will be qualms with what to spend it on, or not to spend it on, but thats to be expected. My only fear is that this wouldn't happen. Just like the lottery. You can't tell me (with where I live, anyways) that all the proceeds go to education. We're laying off teachers left and right, cutting the remaining ones pay, etc.

And massive police layoffs? For what? Make them do their fucking job for once. Maybe can a large portion of drug-only related task forces, etc.
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I want reduced revenue to the government. To give the government more revenue would be contrary to that goal.

If drugs were legalized, SWAT teams could be disbanded. Narcotics divisions could be disbanded. I'd rather not have tons of cops walking the streets justifying ways to meet arrest quotas and racking up pension costs, especially cops trained in a militaristic, shoot first ask questions later mentality. Better to have them get productive jobs in the real economy instead of being welfare whores.

Like I said, I'm kind of crazy, because I also want to eliminate the military.

 
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Beat Under Defeat HD. On Easy. I'm okay with never going higher because the game is a complete dick.

I don't really play shmups, though. Maybe somebody that does would like it more. Who beat it in 6 hours? How'd  you like it? I thought it was cheap and that there was too much vision-obscuring stuff going on for a game that requires dodging everything.

 
Thermopyle said:
Beat Under Defeat HD. On Easy. I'm okay with never going higher because the game is a complete dick.

I don't really play shmups, though. Maybe somebody that does would like it more. Who beat it in 6 hours? How'd you like it? I thought it was cheap and that there was too much vision-obscuring stuff going on for a game that requires dodging everything.
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Are you using both analog sticks? You hate way too many games. I think you should give up gaming and pick up a new hobby. Under Defeat HD is a great game.
 
Bumslie said:
Are you using both analog sticks? You hate way too many games. I think you should give up gaming and pick up a new hobby. Under Defeat HD is a great game.
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Yep, sure was. I didn't say I hated it. Actually running through the extra mode was super quick and easy now that I know how to handle the bosses. It took me about a half hour, is all. That doesn't change that there are a number of vision-obscuring things going on that make it easy to die because you don't know where you or the bullets are, or that there are enemies that come from the sides or below you that you have no real way to be prepared for unless you've played the game previously. Those are just bad mechanics IMO.

The guns are super weak in the game, too. Unless you're running an option (some of which are also super weak) then killing anything even on easy takes forever. That's a bit unbalanced IMO.

It was worth what I paid for it, but unless the above issues are typical characteristics of the genre then it's got some things that could have been done better.

 
snakeybro said:
Whoever looks like Velo or Matt Young must be getting baked 24/7.

#WeedRacialProfiling
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I actually shaved today cuz it was so hot.

Also I knocked out 2 more trophies, all the perfects on critical urgency levels. Just have to perfect all the other levels now. I wish I hadn't taken so many breaks and CoD playing this week and I could have probly got 2nd place...

 
Thermopyle said:
Yep, sure was. I didn't say I hated it. Actually running through the extra mode was super quick and easy now that I know how to handle the bosses. It took me about a half hour, is all. That doesn't change that there are a number of vision-obscuring things going on that make it easy to die because you don't know where you or the bullets are, or that there are enemies that come from the sides or below you that you have no real way to be prepared for unless you've played the game previously. Those are just bad mechanics IMO.

The guns are super weak in the game, too. Unless you're running an option (some of which are also super weak) then killing anything even on easy takes forever. That's a bit unbalanced IMO.

It was worth what I paid for it, but unless the above issues are typical characteristics of the genre then it's got some things that could have been done better.
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Theres also other helicopters you can pick with different guns and missiles.
 
I live in StL and although there is still a huge difference between decrim and legalization, the city effectively told the police to not go after anyone smoking weed unless it is in a public park and they are causing a problem or if they are selling it. I only really toke at home and concerts/camping so I don't have to worry about anything really. Even at that bubble rave there were cops and even a sheriff and everyone was tripping acid and smoking weed and the cops just wanted to look at all the tits on display. I think in most big cities they have more real crimes to deal with compared to adults smoking weed. Now I say all this and I am white jesus dude, if I were black they would probly shoot me for selling loose cigarettes.

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2014/03/st_louis_decriminalization_laws_decreasing_fines_a.php

I only toke kind so it is bout 3 a zo. I wish it were cheaper. I want to grow someday, but ill prob have to go to colorado or canada. I prob wouldnt be on cag if I wasnt a toker cuz I wouldnt worry bout money, lol.

 
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