PSNOT 2.0 - I kind of want to subscribe to IndieBox.

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jimbo8574 said:
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I do not even deserve credit for liking all kinds of games. For someone who has played as many as I have, I admit to having extremely narrow tastes in terms of genres.

I do not think either of us are ignoring those other gamers thoughts. In fact, the two of us were the main people saying the voting would be a bad idea and most told us we were crazy. Even though the game we both wanted to win did in fact win, I do not think either of us have changed our mind. What has happened is exactly what at least I expected. Just another way for people to bitch.

There are just completely unreal expectations for Plus. If you do not like it, then by all means don't continue a subscription. Ranting about it on a blog where other fans of the service are there trying to get information just makes you look like a fool.

By all means, rant about it here and we can all express our views on it.

 
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AvengedBacklog said:
So that Draft Champions mode in Madden is pretty fun. A nice change from prior years...
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Second that. Great mode for people who like to draft and like ultimate team. I love the risk/reward too. Do I take this 80ovr qb in the 7th round, or do I risk a 90+ showing up I'm round 15? This is going to be my favorite Madden since 05. Might not even trade it in.
 
I think people also think "indie" means the same as "retro graphics".  Granted most retro graphics games are indies.  I can think of a couple that weren't, mainly Scott PIlgrim.  But tyler is absolutely right that most indies are platformers and whatnot because that's where the openings are.

I wonder if people bitched and moaned about MM 9 & 10 when they came out because they looked 'indie'.

 
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jimbo8574 said:
IDK, I have played or bought many of the better known games I wanted to play. In July I said AC IV was pretty sweet on GTG for XBox One. I have already played that but wouldn't mind having it for 'free' on my PS4. I didn't get the plat before trading it off. I also think Tomb Raider is pretty nice this month as well. Again I have played this several times but never got the plat or messed around with the online. But that isn't a popular opinion here. Who wants a 2 year old AAA game that was $10 several times. Oh and MS sucks too right?

I am fine with getting more indie titles though. I pay $40 a year for PS+ and would even if wasn't required for online play. I am not complaining about the line up. Some months there are two games I want to play. Other months there are no games.
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I would never have a problem with a comment like this. Examples of games you'd like to see on there, and justifying why you're still interested in them even though they have their drawbacks (namely that they're both pretty old at this point). Its the mindless whining and unfair grouping and labeling that drives me up the wall.

And yeah MS sucks. I can't speak for others here, but I absolutely feel like I was unfairly treated by them. I'd wager less than 10% of the people who did what I did actually got banned, and I'd wager less than 1% of those that were banned had been better Microsoft customers than me. I'd purchased more than 200 digital games alone up until that point, had been a Gold member for at least 4 years, and (they had no way of knowing) I even ran the XBL thread here on CAG.

I understand that sometimes everyone breaks the rules and only a couple get caught. It would be like 10 cars on the freeway speeding, and a cop picking me as the unlucky one to get pulled over to get a ticket. That's how it works and I understand it. Just because there's nothing I can do about it doesn't mean I'm not going to really dislike the cop for choosing to pick me and feel like I was unfairly singled out.

So yeah, I will happily fan the flames of hate for Microsoft as my way of getting some stupid petty revenge.

 
Vigilante said:
Ooh, retro sale this week on PSN for a few games I'd buy for the right price (Hotline Miami 2, Jamestown+, Titan Souls, Grim Fandango Remastered).
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I'm all in for a retro sale. Will probably at least get titan souls and jamestown.

I definitely tend to favor Japanese games and retro and/or 2D stylized indie games in whatever genre. I rarely expect PS+ to cater to my favorites. I'm definitely super interest in most everything on plus for next month, but yeah, its an overwhelming amount of, for lack of a better term, quirky platformers. Overall, I haven't been super interested in a lot of the recent plus games, but for me I find more of the plus value in the constant sales and discounts.

I went through the wiki entry on retail PS4 games, and as a whole PS4 still doesn't have a lot of viable PS+ type AAA retail games. I guess the PS+ team could be throwing a bunch of PS3 retail games to vaguely try to keep folks happy though, so I'm not sure why they haven't been. But to be honest, with some of the launch titles presumably flatlining on sales, I wouldn't be surprised if closer to oct/nov/dec (when a lot of subscriptions will be up) we start seeing at least black flag or infamous/killzone.

 
tylerh1701 said:
This is perfect.

An absolute perfect example of a comment I despise. Unfairly lumping together a bunch of different games and labeling them as "mediocre fare" without any concrete examples or reasons why any of those games are "mediocre" and then going on to label Rocket League as the stand out because "its quality and premise was good".
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So you're telling me Rocket League isn't good? Or that it outshines other indies by merely being accepted by the mainstream? We can argue taste in games all day, but most indies are just like you said, retreads of genres that had their glory days go by and are revived now, fueled by nostalgia.

Just like you and Therm had the balls to criticize MGS 2 14 years after release, which seems ridiculous to me, but not to you, because of your taste. If one thing stands out, is that #IA stands for Indie Apologist.

 
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tylerh1701 said:
Since you don't have a lot of time to read about and research games, I'm guessing you rarely wade onto video game forums like NeoGAF, reddit, and even the PS Blog. "Indie" has absolutely been converted into a negative term.

1st and 3rd person shooters in open worlds or sandboxes are not really big on the indie scene for two reasons. The first is what you said, cost. I'd imagine the costs between a game like Adventures of Pip and a game like State of Decay are monumentally different. The second is that even the best 3rd person open world indie game can NEVER compete with something like Just Cause 3 or Metal Gear Solid 5. There's no room in that market. None. Platforming, on the other hand, has been essentially abandoned by major developers and publishers. So have beat em ups, shoot em ups, and board games. Those genres are wide open for smaller developers to come in and try something unique that will get them noticed.

Shadow Warrior is one of those rare mid-level games that we don't see very often any more. It was developed by an independent company but it did have a publisher (Devolver Digital) which is a pretty decent size. It also was bulit off a license instead of being new IP and released at retail and for $40, neither of which really fit the description "indie".
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I guess I could make the time to deal with NeoGaf and Reddit and the PS Blog. I spend a lot time here and on other forums. I have looked at all 3 on occasions and find the comments section to be morons arguing with other morons. Too much noise to signal there.

The games I like best are 1st and 3rd person games. Was never big on fighting games ever. Have played a few but just not my interest. Almost finished Tekken 6 on PS3 (or maybe 360). I did finish Injustice Gods Among Us but that wasn't a hard fighting game. As I have mentioned several times I suck at platformers. Depending on how interesting one looks I might give it a try for free but other then one of the Mario Games on 3ds (which is an easy platformer) I can't recall ever finishing one.

So for someone like me (who has played just over 100 games on Playstation 3/4/Vita) there isn't a whole lot of indie titles that would appeal to me and my likes and abilities. I wish I was better at platformers. I would love to play Super Meat boy, Metroidvania, Shovel Knight and others. It just isn't for me.

 
SJD said:
In regards to the trying out games you wouldn't usually try and Tyler's statement of how Plus pays itself. If you took the $50 for Plus (and didn't need online multiplayer) you could use that money for games you'd actually want/buy on sales/ flash sales. You'd select them, instead of being fed a selection of random games. I like Plus, but it also pays to have in mind it isn't super rosy. Is it a great, all around value? Yes. But we do get our fair share of slaps often.
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A lot of the games from Plus I probably wouldn't have tried or bought without the service. But since I got them free I tried them and liked them. That's why Plus picking games for you is good. Let's you try things outside your comfort zone. Let's you discover things you may have overlooked. Sure you're gonna get slapped sometimes, but like pharm said, just buy what you're gonna play immediately and no problems. I'm not one of those people but that's my problem and doesn't effect the value of Plus.

 
jimbo8574 said:
Other then Shovel Knight, TxK, Rocket League and a few others the main stream gamers don't care about most of these games. I think it is great there are enough people like tyler and yourself (and probably a dozen or two more in this thread) who enjoy all sort of games from big developers to a game developed by a fellow CAG.
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But if they would stop blindly hating and ignoring them they could probably find the next Shovel Knight, the next Rocket League, the next indie game that clicks for them. But they don't try. This piss and whine and moan without giving games a fair shake.

TxK is a perfect example. That game is not popular. At all. I have no idea why you included it there. I'm guessing because it's a game you were actually willing to look through the weeds for and find. Now try it again and see if you can find another one that clicks for you.

 
SJD said:
Just like you and Therm had the balls to criticize MGS 2 14 years after release, which seems ridiculous to me, but not to you, because of your taste. If one thing stands out, is that #IA stands for Indie Apologist.
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u mad or nah

 
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Lol, Sony.

Grace: Everyone on the blog is complaining about Indies. We should run a good sale to calm them down.

Exec: Great idea! I have just the set of games for that.

"Retro games sale, today!"
 
tylerh1701 said:
And yeah MS sucks. I can't speak for others here, but I absolutely feel like I was unfairly treated by them. I'd wager less than 10% of the people who did what I did actually got banned, and I'd wager less than 1% of those that were banned had been better Microsoft customers than me. I'd purchased more than 200 digital games alone up until that point, had been a Gold member for at least 4 years, and (they had no way of knowing) I even ran the XBL thread here on CAG.
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Certainly your right to do so. And maybe if I was banned for doing what you did I would be just as bitter too. I owned both a 360 and PS3 last go around. I jumped ship with all the crap MS was trying to pull with the One at launch (plus $500 and Kinect). However it does make question some of your opinions when you dismiss things MS is doing that might be good or a positive.

 
tylerh1701 said:
But if they would stop blindly hating and ignoring them they could probably find the next Shovel Knight, the next Rocket League, the next indie game that clicks for them. But they don't try. This piss and whine and moan without giving games a fair shake.

TxK is a perfect example. That game is not popular. At all. I have no idea why you included it there. I'm guessing because it's a game you were actually willing to look through the weeds for and find. Now try it again and see if you can find another one that clicks for you.
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Why not run a poll each month on what Plus games were played/completed by people here?

 
Zimm108 said:
A lot of the games from Plus I probably wouldn't have tried or bought without the service. But since I got them free I tried them and liked them. That's why Plus picking games for you is good. Let's you try things outside your comfort zone. Let's you discover things you may have overlooked. Sure you're gonna get slapped sometimes, but like pharm said, just buy what you're gonna play immediately and no problems. I'm not one of those people but that's my problem and doesn't effect the value of Plus.
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In addition to that I know I would like a lot of those plus games but since I cant buy every single game that releases plus lets me play more of the games I would otherwise miss. I wouldnt necessarily miss them because I didnt know about them or thought I wouldnt like them but rather I would miss some because I had to chose between it an another game with the credit/cash I have at that time. Plus lets me play more games overall than I would without the service.

And there are plenty of months I dont like. Last month I only downloaded one game I think.

 
SJD said:
So you're telling me Rocket League isn't good? Or that it outshines other indies by merely being accepted by the mainstream? We can argue taste in games all day, but most indies are just like you said, retreads of genres that had their glory days go by and are revived now, fueled by nostalgia.

Just like you and Therm had the balls to criticize MGS 2 14 years after release, which seems ridiculous to me, but not to you, because of your taste. If one thing stands out, is that #IA stands for Indie Apologist.
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Indies are games that are made by designers that have a passion for making games they believe are fun that they can not get large publishers to sign up to take a gamble on. Do some like Rocket league catch lightning in a bottle? Absolutely. Is it because it did not have retro graphics? Maybe. Is it because Sony took a chance adding yet another indie game to plus? Absolutely.

Two out of three of us are indie apologists. Personally, I was in the group that was not a fan of them. Now I realize they are pretty much the only way a few of the styles I like are ever made. Do I prefer them over big budget titles? No. Am I ignorant enough to believe Plus can give away big budget titles every month? No.

Anyone has the right to argue about the Plus game selection. Just come up with a good argument that doesn't contradict itself is all we are trying to point out. "Indies SUCK!!!! (but not that one)" is pretty damn stupid. How about, "I really wish we could get more options than platformers since I am not a big fan of the genre." Guess which one Sony is more likely to read and consider?

 
SJD said:
Why not run a poll each month on what Plus games were played/completed by people here?
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In the world of giant backlogs, you know what the result would be. That would prove nothing about the selection really.

How about a poll of how many games did you buy on PSN and how many of those did you finish in the same month? That would likewise prove nothing with the results in this group except that you would see more games on sale on the list of purchases.

 
jimbo8574 said:
But to not understand millions of other gamers just don't care about most of these smaller games (or whatever term you guys are ok with) is just as amazing to me. The casual gamer wants to play AAA titles.

I am not one of the complainers. But I can certainly understand there is a much large number of gamers who enjoy bigger budget games over many of these smaller games. And yes sometimes some of these smaller games does well enough that the more casual gamer will pick it up and play it and enjoy the hell out of it.

Hard to find the diamonds in the rough. Is there a list of every game published by year? I wonder how many console games were published last year?
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I do understand that the vast majority of gamers don't care about these games. But then it comes back down to expectations. They're not going to get 6 AAA titles for $50/year. Black Flag probably cost $20 million to make, La-Mulana let's be generous and say $1 million. So maybe if they increase the cost of PS+ 20 fold then we can all get 6 awesome AAA games every month for our $1000/year subscription fee.

I can't even wrap my mind around how we get 6 indie games a month for $4.25. Anyone who, after all this time, still hasn't tempered their expectations for PS+ are just moronic to me. It's hard for me to believe people are that dumb.

 
This retro game sale is gonna be so hard on my PSN Space Bucks.  So many good things in there.  In for Titan Souls for sure.  And probably Child of LIght.

But why is Beyond Two Souls in there?  How is that retro?

 
Zimm108 said:
This retro game sale is gonna be so hard on my PSN Space Bucks. So many good things in there. In for Titan Souls for sure. And probably Child of LIght.

But why is Beyond Two Souls in there? How is that retro?
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It's the retro version of Until Dawn which released today?

 
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pharmacrest said:
In addition to that I know I would like a lot of those plus games but since I cant buy every single game that releases plus lets me play more of the games I would otherwise miss. I wouldnt necessarily miss them because I didnt know about them or thought I wouldnt like them but rather I would miss some because I had to chose between it an another game with the credit/cash I have at that time. Plus lets me play more games overall than I would without the service.

And there are plenty of months I dont like. Last month I only downloaded one game I think.
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Just wanted to quote this because this is a great argument that I wish I thought of. Plus makes me not have to budget/choose between two games I want to play.

 
Zimm108 said:
A lot of the games from Plus I probably wouldn't have tried or bought without the service. But since I got them free I tried them and liked them. That's why Plus picking games for you is good. Let's you try things outside your comfort zone. Let's you discover things you may have overlooked. Sure you're gonna get slapped sometimes, but like pharm said, just buy what you're gonna play immediately and no problems. I'm not one of those people but that's my problem and doesn't effect the value of Plus.
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I have played and enjoyed a few games I wouldn't have otherwise. I am pretty sure it was pharm that convinced me to pick up Shadow Warrior when it was on sale. Never heard of it but his description of the game made it sound like something I would enjoy. There have been other games I have give a chance by recommendations here. Some didn't pan out for me but others did. I think I picked up Just Cause 2 because Vig and a few others said it was good. Some months I like the sales better then what PS+ is offering. Don't mind paying a few bucks for a game that seems like something I would like and a few people here say it is a good game.

 
Crunchewy said:
Can we get to an important topic? Stop putting two trophy cards in your signature. Thanks, Zimm.
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SJD said:
So you're telling me Rocket League isn't good? Or that it outshines other indies by merely being accepted by the mainstream? We can argue taste in games all day, but most indies are just like you said, retreads of genres that had their glory days go by and are revived now, fueled by nostalgia.

Just like you and Therm had the balls to criticize MGS 2 14 years after release, which seems ridiculous to me, but not to you, because of your taste. If one thing stands out, is that #IA stands for Indie Apologist.
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I'm quite the indie apologist, but it's kinda sad to think saying "hey, will you give this game a chance?" counts as being an apologist. Like going to a new restaurant and saying "hey, try some of this thai food" and someone refuses. Close minded stubborn people like that drive me insane.

And I love Rocket League, I definitely don't agree that it outshines any other indie game just because it was accepted by the mainstream. That's some pretty god awful logic that would result in COD, Madden, and FIFA being considered the three best games every year, blockbuster action movies being considered the best movies of the year, and manufactured pop music being considered the best songs of the year. Things definitely need to be evaluated on aspects other than how popular they are.

I'm far more curious what you didn't like about Stealth Inc 2? Castlestorm? Temple of Osiris? Mousecraft? Styx? Entwined? What is it about those six games that make them "mediocre fare" in your mind?

 
The only good thing about this fuckin' Up game is beating the shit out of the little fat kid with the old guy's cane. #TTScoreUpTTRatioDown

 
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Crunchewy said:
Can we get to an important topic? Stop putting two trophy cards in your signature. Thanks, Zimm.
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Yup. I mean, I know I have two, but I don't think this is referring to me.

I'm probably gonna start ignoring all the sigs that are more than one trophy card high. Could that TT has trophy cards now, but definitely dont' need to see both of them.

 
Lol guy calls me therm and then says people can't dislike games or genres without specific, concrete reasons and examples as to why.

Can someone please draw up the official PSNOT complaint form. How many reasons and examples do we need to have to lodge a complaint against a game or genre? Are there any rules for liking something, or are we allowed to still go into blindly loving everything because it's lesser known by the mainstream than other things.

Oh and can we just change the name of the thread to Hipster City while we're at it.

Brb, going to buy a nice fedora!
 
tylerh1701 said:
I'm far more curious what you didn't like about Stealth Inc 2? Castlestorm? Temple of Osiris? Mousecraft? Styx? Entwined? What is it about those six games that make them "mediocre fare" in your mind?
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Absolutely! Stealth Inc bored me after a while and I never really like puzzle games so no thanks. Castelstorm is tower defense which I hate, bores me. Mousecraft I downloaded and will play maybe at some point since its an easy 100% but otherwise I wouldnt bother. Styx was described as stealth and looks like ass so no thanks. Entwined sounds boring and I think a few of you said as much. No thanks.

I downloaded and will play ToO because its Lara Croft and I liked the last downloadable Lara. But I hear it is mediocre.

So all those are mediocre at best!

 
Prices are beginning to show up for the retro sale:

Grim Fandango Remastered - $6 (Plus)

Titan Souls - $7.49

Child of Light - $4.50

Retro City Rampage DX - $4

Misadventures of Tron Bonne - $3.59

Namco Museum Essentials - $2

Hotline Miami 2 - $7.49

Hotline Miami 2 doesn't have an updated price yet.

 
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tylerh1701 said:
I'm quite the indie apologist, but it's kinda sad to think saying "hey, will you give this game a chance?" counts as being an apologist. Like going to a new restaurant and saying "hey, try some of this thai food" and someone refuses. Close minded stubborn people like that drive me insane.
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You had me until the food analogy. I can accept the premise that if you've tried thai food before and didn't like it you wouldn't try another place's thai food in the off chance that it's better. I guess if they've never tried thai food and they wouldn't try it that'd be closed minded.

Things definitely need to be evaluated on aspects other than how popular they are.
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What?

- Every AAA developer/publisher

I'm far more curious what you didn't like about Stealth Inc 2? Castlestorm? Temple of Osiris? Mousecraft? Styx? Entwined? What is it about those six games that make them "mediocre fare" in your mind?
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Having only played one of them, here's my guess:

  • Stealth Inc 2 - sequel with little to add to the original's gameplay
  • Castlestorm - subpar graphics, local mp only (?)
  • Temple of Osiris - another in a series but worse than the original. also, crashy crashy.
  • Mousecraft - perception problem I'll bet - mousecraft sounds like minecraft + cartoony graphics = puzzle game for kids
  • Styx - knowledge gap for me, I don't know anything about it. is this the one that looked like a low quality shadow of mordor from an orc's perspective?
  • Entwined - booooring looking, artsy
 
pharmacrest said:
Absolutely! Stealth Inc bored me after a while and I never really like puzzle games so no thanks. Castelstorm is tower defense which I hate, bores me. Mousecraft I downloaded and will play maybe at some point since its an easy 100% but otherwise I wouldnt bother. Styx was described as stealth and looks like ass so no thanks. Entwined sounds boring and I think a few of you said as much. No thanks.

I downloaded and will play ToO because its Lara Croft and I liked the last downloadable Lara. But I hear it is mediocre.

So all those are mediocre at best!
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tylerh1701 said:
But if they would stop blindly hating and ignoring them they could probably find the next Shovel Knight, the next Rocket League, the next indie game that clicks for them. But they don't try. This piss and whine and moan without giving games a fair shake.

TxK is a perfect example. That game is not popular. At all. I have no idea why you included it there. I'm guessing because it's a game you were actually willing to look through the weeds for and find. Now try it again and see if you can find another one that clicks for you.
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I do look. Maybe not as hard as you do. I pretty much dismiss old school platformers which as you said is a good chunk of these games. Unless people say even a retard like jimbo could beat this game. Depending the board game I might pick it up. I have a few which I hoped the wife and I could play together but either one or the other loses interest in the game.

I mentioned the indie games I played just so you wouldn't think I play nothing but AAA games. I think TxK is a great game for someone who likes those 80s style Arcade games. I honestly spend too many hours a week as it is with video games I don't have lack of games to play. I will try an indie game if people here rave about it and it is something I think I could enjoy. I don't need to find even more games to add to the back log.

 
SJD said:
Just like you and Therm had the balls to criticize MGS 2 14 years after release, which seems ridiculous to me, but not to you, because of your taste.
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If I were wandering through garage sales and found an ancient copy of the game for PS2 then I would have no leg to stand on. By re-releasing the game as an HD port, though, Konami opens it up to completely fair criticism comparing it to more modern titles. As a current title still being marketed and put on sale it is in competition with other games for my money, and if the game does not stand up to my expectations of quality for a current game then yes I absolutely have a right to be dissatisfied.

 
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