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Thermopyle said:
FF7 isn't a good example. It was always an ugly game and has aged the worst by far out of the PS1 FF games.
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Paint brush hands, cracks me up every time.

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MildObstruction said:
I've also been looking at trophies this morning and discovered that the main reasons I don't 100% a lot of games is multiple playthroughs followed by grinds and a close third is 'hard shit'. This is probably pretty common, but it was fun to see the result. Examples:
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They are not so bad when they are shooters or melee games which are under 10 hours, particularly if they have different playstyle choices (for instance I used the shotgun a lot more in my 2nd Vanquish playthrough on easy) it's the RPGs that require multiple playthroughs that can become a complete drag due to how long they are.

 
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pharmacrest said:
It always boils down to what you enjoy most. I love God of War so I have all those plats. None were very hard at all as far as I am concerned because I enjoyed them so much. I am sure you have a ton of plats or 100% on games I didnt bother with because I just thought they were okay or I hated them.

Grinds kill me. I will not play GTA for 150 hours to get to level 100. But Gator will. He is nucking futs.
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I don't mind grinds that I can do while watching justified reruns or something, but if I have to pay too much attention I'll often pass.

Second playthroughs of most games usually equate to a week or two of gaming time for me so it's really hard to get past that even for games I really like. Like I got my B license in burnout this morning and saw that the A license takes another 36 event wins and I was all 'goddammit burnout.'. But I at least think I'll do it eventually because it's fun as balls.
 
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By my calculations, I'm approximately 45 orbs away from collecting them all in Enslaved. The thing that makes that a pain in the ass is they're spread out over 4 levels (though I think 30 of them are in one level).

Maybe I'll get the plat today or tomorrow.

 
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pharmacrest said:
I remember trying to play the original Syphon Filter on my PS3. It was so blocky I couldnt even figure out what was going on. And I played the shit out of that game when it came out. It was one of my fav Psone games. I have no idea how we played those games...
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This looks playable. Maybe you didn't have the optimal settings to play the old games on the PS3 or tried to play it before they had some firmware upgrade that made it look better. Remember that FFX video when it looked like shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29uhE9jZ2qo

Here is the 2006 initial comparison before Sony did a firmware upgrade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs

 
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pharmacrest said:
Strange. Everyone else hates the visuals, even on Vita, yet Therm says they look good?! WHAT THE fuck IS GOING ON HERE!?!

Did I step into ass backwards world?
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It's going to vary per game, obviously, but yeah the screen size does a lot to mask the aging of PS1 games. 3D games are a lot more inclined to look bad, but 2D stuff generally fares well. I'm not saying PS1 games have aged well enough that having them still be playable is the norm. If you want to play a PS1 game, though, Vita is definitely the best official way to do so.

If you want to get into piracy then obviously you can play PS1 games using emulators that render at higher resolutions. Though that can also look pretty funny due to the low texture quality producing an odd flat appearance. Like so, at 1080p:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V5rGBLRzQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5-yuBwAR0g

 
MildObstruction said:
I don't mind grinds that I can do while watching justified reruns or something, but if I have to pay too much attention I'll often pass.

Second playthroughs of most games usually equate to a week or two of gaming time for me so it's really hard to get past that even for games I really like. Like I got my B license in burnout this morning and saw that the A license takes another 36 event wins and I was all 'goddammit burnout.'. But I at least think I'll do it eventually because it's fun as balls.
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Liked for mentioning Justified. Can't wait for the final season to start. :whee:

 
I messed with the settings to play Ps1 games like Syphon Filter and it still looked terrible.  That video makes it look alright but I couldnt play it.  The enemies far away look like one or two blocks and I couldnt hit them from what I remember.  It may just be me.

EDIT:  Or it isnt me since Harry pointed out that guy making the video even stopped playing it. 

 
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MildObstruction said:
I hate Proteus way more on paper, but I haven't played it so I can't be sure that I hate it more than spelunky.
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I ended up null voting even though I nominated Titan Attacks. I did not have a lot of fun playing that, but I feel like I would enjoy that more than a lot of the others on the list that I have not played. Since I haven't played those I won't vote for them even if a Spelunky vote would be fun just to piss off Tyler.

 
Lifetime to date (LTD) Software sales in US:

WiiU:

Donkey Kong Country - 440k

Hyrule Warriors - 370k

Toad's Treasure Tracker - 250k

Bayonetta 2 - less than 135k

X1:

Forza Horizon 2 - 325k

Sunset Overdrive - 280k

PS4:

Second Son - 800k

Last of Us - 650k

LBP3 - 240k

Driveclub - 84k

Poor Bayonetta, though I can't really say I feel bad for them.  Sunset Overdrive number is a bit low to me, as an X1 exclusive I thought it would have had a bit more support from xboner fans. I wonder if it's enough for Insomniac to consider keeping the franchise alive.  Driveclub only doing 25% of what Forza did is pretty pathetic.

 
Vigilante said:
Just 5.5 more hours until the 3-day weekend starts...
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Oh man, I keep forgetting theres a holiday. Hopefully I can knock out Counterspy PS4, Arkham Origins Blackgate, and Dust this weekend. Already beaten 5 games this year (no plats though) trying to see how many I can knock out this month maybe continue the trend the rest of the year.

 
Yeah, 3 day weekend starting in 5:30 and Saturday is our end of season party with this pinball lineup in part: Dr Who, Shadow, AC/DC, Twilight Zone, Tron, Monopoly, Johnny Mnemonic, Cirqus Voltaire, Theatre of Magic, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Big Game, Quicksilver & Seawitch. This guy has a bunch more games than that, but I don't know what they are yet.

 
pitfallharry219 said:
By my calculations, I'm approximately 45 orbs away from collecting them all in Enslaved. The thing that makes that a pain in the ass is they're spread out over 4 levels (though I think 30 of them are in one level).

Maybe I'll get the plat today or tomorrow.
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You do know that last orb is only obtainable via a luck of the draw spinning wheel mini-game after collecting all the other ones right?

 
kilik64 said:
Wow so bone and ps4 are only 500k apart in US, lead WW is still a few million right?
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Yup, it's actually a little bit less than 500k in the US. The Xboner firesale definitely worked here in the US.

WW should be a few million at least. I've got to think the lead is still growing. Japan helps make up for the different in the US (PS4 did about 150k in Japan in December, Xbone barely over 10k) and almost all of Europe still tends to favor PS4, except for UK where it's pretty close like here in the US.

 
Thermopyle said:
Top PS sellers of 2014:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/01/16/playstation-store-the-top-sellers-of-2014/#sf6967388

What's funny is Destiny is on the PS4 list at #1, but #4 on PS3. I guess people didn't realize buying the PS3 version was the better way to go.
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Because you're making assumptions of sales based on the game's position on a top 10 list without having any actual numbers to go on. There's roughly 10x more PS3s sold than PS4s so the number of copies sold on PS3 are going to well outnumber the PS4 copies despite the #4 ranking vs the #1 ranking.

 
TopsideKracker said:
Because you're making assumptions of sales based on the game's position on a top 10 list without having any actual numbers to go on. There's roughly 10x more PS3s sold than PS4s so the number of copies sold on PS3 are going to well outnumber the PS4 copies despite the #4 ranking vs the #1 ranking.
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I'm stating that every person who bought it on PSN for PS4 would have gotten more for their purchase if they bought the PS3 version. The only assumption I'm making is that buying the PS3 version doesn't add to the PS4 sales figures.

 
tylerh1701 said:
Lifetime to date (LTD) Software sales in US:

WiiU:

Donkey Kong Country - 440k

Hyrule Warriors - 370k

Toad's Treasure Tracker - 250k

Bayonetta 2 - less than 135k

X1:

Forza Horizon 2 - 325k

Sunset Overdrive - 280k

PS4:

Second Son - 800k

Last of Us - 650k

LBP3 - 240k

Driveclub - 84k

Poor Bayonetta, though I can't really say I feel bad for them. Sunset Overdrive number is a bit low to me, as an X1 exclusive I thought it would have had a bit more support from xboner fans. I wonder if it's enough for Insomniac to consider keeping the franchise alive. Driveclub only doing 25% of what Forza did is pretty pathetic.
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LOTS of people who might have bought it, wouldn't buy it because they announced so far ahead that they were going to give out a slightly gimped version free for PS+. Their online code being absolute shit probably didn't help matters either as that created a ton of bad press making people think the single player was equally broken, which it apparently isn't.

This also confirms what I've thought for awhile, xbox users buy primarily multi-platform games. I mean even the extremely buggy LBP3 sold 3/4ths of one of Microsoft's flagship titles, and Forza Horizon 2 had a 1.75 month head start.

 
tylerh1701 said:
WW should be a few million at least. I've got to think the lead is still growing.
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I think its roughly 2:1 worldwide in PS favor. I see people floating numbers of 9-10 million for X1 WW and 18.5-19 mil for PS WW. We know the Sony number is sold through, but the X1 prediction is GAF speculation based on different reports throughout the year.
 
Thermopyle said:
I'm stating that every person who bought it on PSN for PS4 would have gotten more for their purchase if they bought the PS3 version. The only assumption I'm making is that buying the PS3 version doesn't add to the PS4 sales figures.
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Until today they were the same thing. Buy the PS3 version on PSN and get the PS4 version. Or vise versa. It was effectively cross buy. Price was the same. I think I bought the PS3 version actually.

 
4thHorseman said:
I think its roughly 2:1 worldwide in PS favor. I see people floating numbers of 9-10 million for X1 WW and 18.5-19 mil for PS WW. We know the Sony number is sold through, but the X1 prediction is GAF speculation based on different reports throughout the year.
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Well the xbox numbers are even more sketchy WW as dont they use "shipped" vs sony who reports "sold through"?

The only concrete number by the two is the 18.5 million sold by sony.

 
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tylerh1701 said:
Poor Bayonetta, though I can't really say I feel bad for them.
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I'm really disappointed that this will never come to PS4. It is a really good game too, I thought Platinum might take some shortcuts or use a low budget, but I have to say it is a really awesome game.

I would even say it is better than the first one, it's definitely just as fun.

 
TopsideKracker said:
Because you're making assumptions of sales based on the game's position on a top 10 list without having any actual numbers to go on. There's roughly 10x more PS3s sold than PS4s so the number of copies sold on PS3 are going to well outnumber the PS4 copies despite the #4 ranking vs the #1 ranking.
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You're right that you can't compare the two lists but you're wrong to think Destiny sold better on PS3. Even if you exclude all the bundled copies, Destiny on PS4 still sold better than Destiny on PS3 at retail. No reason to think digital would be any different.

 
guardian_owl said:
This also confirms what I've thought for awhile, xbox users buy primarily multi-platform games. I mean even the extremely buggy LBP3 sold 3/4ths of one of Microsoft's flagship titles, and Forza Horizon 2 had a 1.75 month head start.
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Exclusives generally don't sell all that well on Xbox unless they're shooters. It's probably the reason they got out of the exclusives game last gen and will probably do it again this gen.

But racing is such a niche genre it's hard to compare it to any other game that's not a racer.

 
Thermopyle said:
I'm stating that every person who bought it on PSN for PS4 would have gotten more for their purchase if they bought the PS3 version. The only assumption I'm making is that buying the PS3 version doesn't add to the PS4 sales figures.
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So because they were giving a free game away for buying it on PS3, you don't think they're still going to sell a shitload on PS4?

A lot of people jumped shipped from MS to Sony this generation. Why would they want to purchase the PS3 version from their computer and then download it to their PS4 when they don't own a PS3 and can just purchase it from their console?

 
tylerh1701 said:
You're right that you can't compare the two lists but you're wrong to think Destiny sold better on PS3. Even if you exclude all the bundled copies, Destiny on PS4 still sold better than Destiny on PS3 at retail. No reason to think digital would be any different.
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That just seems backwards to me. Not saying you aren't right; you are the stat man after all. Maybe because it was pushed so much more for PS4?

 
Ugh, the Governor's plan to fix the deficit he created by eliminating income taxes on some business and greatly dropping the income tax rate on high earners is to 2-3X the cigarette and liquor tax rate, cut spending on medicaid, and charge $160 million in fees to the private companies which run medicaid in the state (and they will inevitably take that out of the recipient's pockets). So basically taking further bites out of everyone who is poor, I'm sure that won't slow down the economy in the state even more. :wall: :wall: :wall:

 
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Our state just passed an amendment stating that we will NEVER have an income tax.

2 months later we're discussing a $.40 tax on every gallon of gas. Way to fuck everybody at the bottom over, jerks.

 
TopsideKracker said:
That just seems backwards to me. Not saying you aren't right; you are the stat man after all. Maybe because it was pushed so much more for PS4?
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I could be remembering wrong, but pretty sure Activision confirmed their internal numbers showed PS4 was the system with the most Destiny sales back in September. Dont think it would have changed since then.
 
Ironclad Tactics hits PS4 on Tuesday. Priced at $14.99, but 20% off for PS+ members. Includes all the add-on campaigns from the PC version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yT2h7bhgNY

Card-based tactics game with robots set in the civil war.  =P~

 
Multiple playthroughs (usually on a higher difficulty) are the main stopper in lots of plats for me.  Looking over my list of plats to see what games I actually did plat that needed more than one play, I count 5.  This is removing Lego games and the PSASBR double dip.  There's quite a few where I started the 2nd playthrough, but stopped because of over-saturation with the game, like Deadpool & Killzone 1, though I intend to go back.  And I probably played every single level of Enslaved over again looking for those damn orbs, but I won't count that because it's not required.

My multiple play plats

- Infamous 1

- Lone Survivor

- God of War 1

- R&C: Into the Nexus

- Master Reboot

 
Crunchewy said:
When is Sony going to announce their price cut to $349.99?
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Who gives a shit I already have one. The real question is when will they make a smaller more compact one that looks like a hexagon instead of sharp triangles? 3rd iteration will probably be oval and spaceship like.

 
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TopsideKracker said:
That just seems backwards to me. Not saying you aren't right; you are the stat man after all. Maybe because it was pushed so much more for PS4?
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I think everyone just wants the latest and greatest. Check out the chart below, it's quite interesting. The order of consoles in parentheses is from highest sales to lowest sales.

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New IPs like Destiny and Watch Dogs sold better on new-gen.

Annualized games like CoD, Madden, and FIFA sold better on last gen, well 360 at least.

But you'll see PS3 is near the bottom on most of them. I think that's a mix of more 360 holdouts then PS3 holdouts and the fact that the PS3 developed a rep for bad online infrastructure (not really true) and bad community (partially true because no pack-in mic).

Anyways, there's not a ton of conclusions that can be made from that list, but one pretty clear one is that games are selling better on PS4 than on PS3. You can also conclude that people still have pretty crappy tastes in games.

 
Thermopyle said:
There's no way to avoid the echo chamber without removing the ability to choose what you surround yourself with. People hang out with people with similar viewpoints and interests, watch movies and TV shows that agree with their world view, and prefer to hear the opinions of people they agree with.

The echo chamber effect is really just a consequence of the advancement of communication. Previously you were stuck talking to the assholes in your immediate area whether they agreed with you on throwing rocks at gay people and blacks or not, but with 5000 television channels anybody can find their own echo chamber. The same is true of the internet allowing any viewpoint, no matter how niche, to find supporters enough to provide the illusion of legitimacy.
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Someone finally drafted a thread mission statement.
 
tylerh1701 said:
So December numbers in US (apprx.):

X1 - 1.28 mil
PS4 - 1.05 mil

Lifetime numbers in US (apprx.):

PS4 - 6.5 mil
X1 - 6 mil
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Well bruhs I don't know how to feel about this. Honestly Sony deserved these sales as all M$ is doing right now is buying up market share with their predatory pricing. They have no honor and this kind of market distortion always bites consumers in the ass. Americans are disloyal. What's worse is that this may cause Sony to operate at a loss in order stay competitive but hopefully Kaz and bloodborne will deliver us and set things right again. Stayed prayed up bruhs.

Also, I wonder what the LTD numbers are looking like for Destiny. I've seen nothing concrete.
 
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