PSP Go thread-

[quote name='aihuman']The fact that freeplay(the person in the video) was able to boot unauthorized code is huge.What you call a worthless hack I call progress.[/QUOTE]


Your progress is an already abandoned exploit that this guy decided to tinker with. With it being solely dependent upon one game, if it ever becomes anything of value Sony will find out and immediatley patch it. This isn't progress in the direction you think it is going. This is driving further down the street with a big sign that says "No Outlet."
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r']Apparently the low launch sales have had an effect:
The UK just got an approximately $40 price cut.
http://worthplaying.com/article/2009/10/5/news/69054/

Edit: This brings the UK price down to the equivalent of about $320.
Maybe a proportionate $25 price drop here, or even better $50 price drop here is possible.
Credit to spiderdog with this find.[/QUOTE]

Sony contradicts your assertion that the Go is selling poorly, by stating that the PSP Go is selling at roughly the same pace as the PSP-300, which itself has seen a 30% increase in sales.

From GamesIndustry.biz

Sony has told GamesIndustry.biz that sales of PSP hardware are up over 120 per cent in the UK, following the launch of the PSPgo.

Sales of the PSP-3000 have also grown, as the hardware benefits from the release of the long-awaited Gran Turismo for PSP on UMD and EA's FIFA 10, which this weekend broke records for the franchise.

"PSPgo has performed in line with our expectations, driving 100 per cent incremental volume for the category and has benefited the broad PSP portfolio with PSP-3000 also enjoying a big lift," said SCEE in a statement.

"PSP software sales also having been a standout with both new releases GT PSP and FIFA 10 performing well."

The new PSPgo launched last Thursday and sells in the UK for around GBP 224.99. Early adopters are able to download a free copy of Gran Turismo PSP until October 10, and UK consumers can also access a deal which allows them to download another three games for free if they register with Sony online.

When contacted by GamesIndustry.biz this morning, Chart-Track in the UK said it would not reveal any independent sales data for the PSPgo.

"It's a new format and we are simply not revealing the figures for public consumption," said director Dorian Bloch.

Update: Sony has clarified that sales of the PSP hardware are up over 120 per cent compared to the previous week. The PSPgo sold as many units as the PSP-3000 during the period.
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But I doubt any of this actually matters as most will likely think Sony is lying and the system is bombing regardless.
 
there is obviously going to be a jump in sales with the release of new hardware over the old hardware. Give it a week or 2 and the PSP Go will probably be dead in the water
 
http://kotaku.com/5374803/some-uk-retailers-discounting-the-pspgo

According to a report from Eurogamer, at least four retailers in the region are asking less than the £224 suggested retail price. Amazon UK, HMV, Game and Play are playing with the PSPgo's built-in wiggle room pricing, asking £199 for the portable. Is that a reaction to slow sales?

Maybe yes, maybe no. Some of those retailers listed above were selling the PSPgo at £199 before the unit officially went on sale, so it doesn't appear that four days worth of slow movement initiated some sort of panic. Officially, the PSPgo is selling "in line with [Sony's] expectations," according to a report from GamesIndustry.biz.

That marked down price may be a reaction, however, to slower pre-orders of the unit. Before the PSPgo launched in Europe and other PAL territories, some retailers appeared hesitant to carry the platform at all.
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[quote name='Ecofreak']
But I doubt any of this actually matters as most will likely think Sony is lying and the system is bombing regardless.[/QUOTE]
Sarcasm noted. I doubt Sony is lying, but I do think that was less of a spike than the retailers had hoped for.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']Your progress is an already abandoned exploit that this guy decided to tinker with. With it being solely dependent upon one game, if it ever becomes anything of value Sony will find out and immediatley patch it. This isn't progress in the direction you think it is going. This is driving further down the street with a big sign that says "No Outlet."[/QUOTE]

You obviously didn't own a launch PSP/follow the early scene much. It took a good while for a realistically working exploit to even materialize, after many complicated/bordering-on-useless ones. And even then, the best one didn't materialize until years after launch. Curious coders are quite persistent and a start is a start, Rome wasn't built in a day.

But really, this should be the final comment on such unmentionable endeavours here since this site isn't the forum for such discussions. :hot:
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r']Sarcasm noted. I doubt Sony is lying, but I do think that was less of a spike than the retailers had hoped for.[/QUOTE]

Given that many retailers in the UK were either 1) Unwilling to stock the system, or 2) Even if they were willing to stock it, didn't market it with any real effort then it's understandable that these two factors (along with the system's high initial price) would result in "reasonable" sales.

The most important thing is that the system sells within Sony's expectations. Why? Because it means they have correctly modeled and understood the customer base and resulting demand. Obviously selling below expectations is a bad thing, but so is selling well above expectations.

Why? Because when my company (for example) exceeds expectations, our stock can potentially go down because investors don't like surprises ("Didn't they understand their position better and resulting sales? What else aren't they accounting for that could both increase and decrease sales). It's counter-intuitive and I had to ask my manager to explain it but it makes sense when you think about it for a while.
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']Given that many retailers in the UK were either 1) Unwilling to stock the system, or 2) Even if they were willing to stock it, didn't market it with any real effort then it's understandable that these two factors (along with the system's high initial price) would result in "reasonable" sales.

The most important thing is that the system sells within Sony's expectations. Why? Because it means they have correctly modeled and understood the customer base and resulting demand. Obviously selling below expectations is a bad thing, but so is selling well above expectations.

Why? Because when my company (for example) exceeds expectations, our stock can potentially go down because investors don't like surprises ("Didn't they understand their position better and resulting sales? What else aren't they accounting for that could both increase and decrease sales). It's counter-intuitive and I had to ask my manager to explain it but it makes sense when you think about it for a while.[/QUOTE]

All true. However, do you have any statements from Sony that enumerates their expected sales target for the PSPgo?
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r']All true. However, do you have any statements from Sony that enumerates their expected sales target for the PSPgo?[/QUOTE]

Nope -- it's all conjecture at this point. But if you're to believe the figures that Sony revealed in the GamesIndustry.biz article I quoted earlier, then we can trust the PSP Go is selling no worse than the PSP-3000 (a system that costs significantly less than the PSP Go and cheaper games if you buy used).

Given the economic conditions and price disparity, I'd consider this a mild victory especially given the multiple headwinds this system is facing (including very vocal opposition, like Malik & Gothic Walrus).
 
If I were Sony I'd be happy with any sales that are not near nothing at all given the pricepoint and the fact that people have to buy their games off PSN. I think we may see more of this in the future where early adopters are made to pay a premium or maybe that is another page they took from Apple.

They've taken a lot of shit from Apple (who hasn't lol). And I'd say they took the proprietary peripheral strategy from MS. I'd be surprised if they don't do proprietary everything on PS4. 360 makes a pretty penny from that strategy while making the 360 appear cheaper.
 
[quote name='J7.']If I were Sony I'd be happy with any sales that are not near nothing at all given the pricepoint and the fact that people have to buy their games off PSN. I think we may see more of this in the future where early adopters are made to pay a premium or maybe that is another page they took from Apple.

They've taken a lot of shit from Apple (who hasn't lol). And I'd say they took the proprietary peripheral strategy from MS. I'd be surprised if they don't do proprietary everything on PS4. 360 makes a pretty penny from that strategy while making the 360 appear cheaper.[/QUOTE]

The posts in response to this will not be pretty.
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']Nope -- it's all conjecture at this point. But if you're to believe the figures that Sony revealed in the GamesIndustry.biz article I quoted earlier, then we can trust the PSP Go is selling no worse than the PSP-3000 (a system that costs significantly less than the PSP Go and cheaper games if you buy used). [/QUOTE]

Indeed, no worse than the PSP3k "is what it is." My point was any company claiming SKU is "meeting expectations" is in essence a meaningless statement, unless you publicly stated a target (say matching 50% of your competition . . .etc.).

Personally, I find the the bump in the PSP3k more intriguing (as I expect any big three branded hardware item to sell well the first month of launch, regardless of longevity), is it an overall renewed interest in the platform or fear of physical media's demise on the platform driving the 3Ks sales boost? (Anecdotally, I know I found myself much more interested in where my loaned out PSP2k was and what condition it was in. Which makes me inclined to think it is the latter).
 
[quote name='Malik112099']already mentioned and it is a worthless hack.[/QUOTE]


Well all i can say is, First step on planning to plant a CFW,
 
http://psp.ign.com/articles/103/1032883p1.html#
"In the three days since the Oct. 1 launch of PSPgo, our top retail partners experienced a 300 percent lift in PSP hardware sales compared to the prior week same period."

The company said it saw a massive spike in digital sales over the past week in North America, and expects the momentum to continue into the holiday.

"The launch of the PSPgo has generated a significant increase in revenue for PlayStation Network, driven by a 200 percent lift in PSP game downloads purchased from PlayStation Store," the spokesperson added.
 
[quote name='J7.']http://psp.ign.com/articles/103/1032883p1.html#
"In the three days since the Oct. 1 launch of PSPgo, our top retail partners experienced a 300 percent lift in PSP hardware sales compared to the prior week same period."

The company said it saw a massive spike in digital sales over the past week in North America, and expects the momentum to continue into the holiday.

"The launch of the PSPgo has generated a significant increase in revenue for PlayStation Network, driven by a 200 percent lift in PSP game downloads purchased from PlayStation Store," the spokesperson added.[/QUOTE]

Three things that struck me:

First, they say "PSP hardware." They don't specify a breakdown between the 3000 and the Go, which I would really like to see.

Second, what qualifies as a "top retail partner?" What doesn't that include?

Third, I'm not 100% on this, but...
experienced a 300 percent lift in PSP hardware sales compared to the prior week same period.
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...if I'm interpreting that awkward wording correctly, it means that they had a 300% sales increase over the previous week. If anything, wouldn't the sales from the previous week be down from whatever their "normal" is because they had an impending launch of new hardware? If I was in the market for a PSP, knew the Go was coming out and was interested, I'd be willing to wait a week before I spent the money.

Branching off that, it doesn't mean much to tell us they had a 300% increase without mentioning where they began. Hypothetically, if they sold one PSP last week and three this week, that's a 300% increase.

At best, that's a puff quote. I want to see real sales data before Sony declares this thing a success.
 
A 300% jump is pretty independent of the PSP Go, I'd say. It represents a several *thousand* percent increase in the number of downloadable items on the PSP, so a boost is pretty fuckin' obvious.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Three things that struck me:

First, they say "PSP hardware." They don't specify a breakdown between the 3000 and the Go, which I would really like to see.

Second, what qualifies as a "top retail partner?" What doesn't that include?

Third, I'm not 100% on this, but...

...if I'm interpreting that awkward wording correctly, it means that they had a 300% sales increase over the previous week. If anything, wouldn't the sales from the previous week be down from whatever their "normal" is because they had an impending launch of new hardware? If I was in the market for a PSP, knew the Go was coming out and was interested, I'd be willing to wait a week before I spent the money.

Branching off that, it doesn't mean much to tell us they had a 300% increase without mentioning where they began. Hypothetically, if they sold one PSP last week and three this week, that's a 300% increase.

At best, that's a puff quote. I want to see real sales data before Sony declares this thing a success.[/QUOTE]

Didn't they just put a couple dozen titles on the PSP store this week as well, including the NIS sale games (besides Holy Badman, which was there before)? How many games were available before? And does this include the mini games?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Nearly 100 UMD games went up, not counting the PSP Minis.[/QUOTE]

Then that 200% increase is actually a pretty sad number. I know I bought two games after having never bought a PSP downloadable before, but that was because of the NIS sale.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Three things that struck me:

First, they say "PSP hardware." They don't specify a breakdown between the 3000 and the Go, which I would really like to see.

Second, what qualifies as a "top retail partner?" What doesn't that include?

Third, I'm not 100% on this, but...

...if I'm interpreting that awkward wording correctly, it means that they had a 300% sales increase over the previous week. If anything, wouldn't the sales from the previous week be down from whatever their "normal" is because they had an impending launch of new hardware? If I was in the market for a PSP, knew the Go was coming out and was interested, I'd be willing to wait a week before I spent the money.
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It is interesting the way they worded that statement, "prior week same period." When I skimmed it, I thought it was saying the same week of last year's sales which would be prior year's period same week- but when you reread it you seem correct. I think I was nearly Jedi mind tricked.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Three things that struck me:

First, they say "PSP hardware." They don't specify a breakdown between the 3000 and the Go, which I would really like to see. [/QUOTE]

Same here. This type of PR response is par for the course.

[quote name='Gothic Walrus']
Second, what qualifies as a "top retail partner?" What doesn't that include? [/QUOTE]

Good point. It's probably stores like BB & GS.

[quote name='Gothic Walrus']
Third, I'm not 100% on this, but...

...if I'm interpreting that awkward wording correctly, it means that they had a 300% sales increase over the previous week. If anything, wouldn't the sales from the previous week be down from whatever their "normal" is because they had an impending launch of new hardware? If I was in the market for a PSP, knew the Go was coming out and was interested, I'd be willing to wait a week before I spent the money. [/QUOTE]

They were probably down but not as down as say PS3 sales were down the week before Slim. If I was going to get a PSP 3000 regardless, which probably sold more than the Go last week it wouldn't effect the week before as much.

[quote name='Gothic Walrus']
Branching off that, it doesn't mean much to tell us they had a 300% increase without mentioning where they began. Hypothetically, if they sold one PSP last week and three this week, that's a 300% increase.

At best, that's a puff quote. I want to see real sales data before Sony declares this thing a success.[/QUOTE]
I think all we can conclude from this data is that sales improved slightly, Go probably sold marginally, and the influx of PSN titles helped.

[quote name='Malik112099']Is J7 some sort of TMK understudy?[/QUOTE]
Way to be a douche. All I did was report findings from an article about something people were wondering about here, highlighting the important parts for easy reading. But since all you do is bitch and whine I guess this type of comment from you is expected. With that type of response I guess I won't bother to share the information next time.
 
[quote name='J7.']Way to be a douche. All I did was report findings from an article about something people were wondering about here, highlighting the important parts for easy reading. But since all you do is bitch and whine I guess this type of comment from you is expected. With that type of response I guess I won't bother to share the information next time.[/QUOTE]

So, yes?
 
Despite me knowing better I might end up getting a PSP go within the next week.... The Target I work at actually got a few in so I can get %10(about $25) off of one.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Three things that struck me:

First, they say "PSP hardware." They don't specify a breakdown between the 3000 and the Go, which I would really like to see.

Second, what qualifies as a "top retail partner?" What doesn't that include?

Third, I'm not 100% on this, but...

...if I'm interpreting that awkward wording correctly, it means that they had a 300% sales increase over the previous week. If anything, wouldn't the sales from the previous week be down from whatever their "normal" is because they had an impending launch of new hardware? If I was in the market for a PSP, knew the Go was coming out and was interested, I'd be willing to wait a week before I spent the money.

Branching off that, it doesn't mean much to tell us they had a 300% increase without mentioning where they began. Hypothetically, if they sold one PSP last week and three this week, that's a 300% increase.

At best, that's a puff quote. I want to see real sales data before Sony declares this thing a success.[/QUOTE]


The "PSP Hardware" wordage coupled with the launch of Gran Turismo leads me to believe Gran Turismo is moving an increased number of 3000 models, not necessarily that the Go is selling that well.
 
So a boost in sales for new hardware is shocking? If the Wii came in black it would see similiar increase. How long will it manage to show increases above 100%? Hell, 25% or so a few weeks later.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']So, yes?[/QUOTE]
You're pretty stupid if you can't understand what I posted. :lol: Maybe I'll have to end up muting you, you never contribute anything worthwhile anyways. Just troll comments and whining.
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r'] I think I was nearly Jedi mind tricked.[/QUOTE]

"These are not the PSP sales you were looking for!.." :D

Hell, I downloaded Disgaea this past week for my PSP-3000--I wonder how much the NIS sale influenced the numbers?
 
I like to download some Minis on my PSP 2000, but the rest of the games that are on UMD I will still buy on that format. After seeing the PlayStation Store update this week. Its going to be slow for UMD games to come out on PSN unless they are new releases.
 
[quote name='J7.']You're pretty stupid if you can't understand what I posted. :lol: Maybe I'll have to end up muting you, you never contribute anything worthwhile anyways. Just troll comments and whining.[/QUOTE]

OK, yes it is.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']OK, yes it is.[/QUOTE]
You need to just shut up already. I don't think people want to see you spamming by posting troll comments over and over. You need to grow up.
 
[quote name='J7.']You need to just shut up already. I don't think people want to see you spamming by posting troll comments over and over. You need to grow up.[/QUOTE]


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does anyone's local retailers have any to demo, like bestbuy, etc.? i would like to hold one and try it.

anyone who has had one now since launch, how is the comfort of it compared to the psp slim
 
[quote name='orntar']does anyone's local retailers have any to demo, like bestbuy, etc.? i would like to hold one and try it.

anyone who has had one now since launch, how is the comfort of it compared to the psp slim[/QUOTE]

Only place I've personally experienced any demo units is a Sony Style store.
 
[quote name='orntar']does anyone's local retailers have any to demo, like bestbuy, etc.? i would like to hold one and try it.

anyone who has had one now since launch, how is the comfort of it compared to the psp slim[/QUOTE]

Well I have slightly big hands, so the Slim always cramped my thumb when I was trying to use the analog nub. It was just too close to the bottom of the unit for me. (I never OWNED a slim, I only used my friend's)

The Go has yet to bother my hands at all. I keep it generally in the hard faux-leather official case, and it's quite comfortable. Even without the case it was fine, though.

Edit:I also have not seen a demo unit anywhere, but I haven't been to a Sony Style since the Go launched...
 
I have what I would consider medium male hand, and the Go is more comfortable than my 1000. I haven't seen units in stores around my area, let alone demo units. My Best Buys have promotional materials and accessories, but no Gos. Can't blame them, really.
 
tux.bobble and chakan, how do you feel about the whole digital only games? any heartburn about not being able to buy cheap used ones or resale them later?
 
So for everyone justly saying the PSP Mini's are too expensive, we now know why.

From Joystiq.com

Here's one reason why PSP minis are more expensive than their iPhone counterparts: the ESRB. Sony doesn't enforce any control over the pricing of minis, but they do mandate getting approval from the ESRB ratings board. That, apparently, has been a significant hidden cost some developers didn't expect. "You have to invest some money into dev kits and into getting ratings for your game. The costs of ratings such us ESRB is significantly more then we had realized," Fieldrunners developer Sergei Gourski told Gamasutra. According to a posting at GameDev.net, the cost of getting an approval is $2,500.

Content developed for the iPhone doesn't need to go through the ratings board, an oversight which, surprisingly, has yet to attract a media call-to-arms. Should the ESRB succeed in courting Apple as the defacto ratings system for the iPhone, the high cost of approval should curtail one of the largest problems facing the iPhone store today: having too much content, a sentiment shared by Minigore developer Kimmo Vihola. Vihola noted that "[Apple's] process is starting to crack from the seams," and pointed out that Sony's turnaround time on minis is much faster than Apple's store. Sony takes three to five days for approval, while Apple varies "from a couple of days to up to six weeks."
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Thoughts? Should Sony continue requiring that games go through the ESRB and control the streams of apps, or remove the requirement all together?
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']So for everyone justly saying the PSP Mini's are too expensive, we now know why.

From Joystiq.com



Thoughts? Should Sony continue requiring that games go through the ESRB and control the streams of apps, or remove the requirement all together?[/QUOTE]
Wow that is interesting. I don't know. On one hand ratings & development kit costs keep a lot of crap off the system, but on the other it's higher prices. I'm surprised Apple has avoided ratings on it's games for this long. Does Apple have it's own rating system?
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']So for everyone justly saying the PSP Mini's are too expensive, we now know why.

From Joystiq.com



Thoughts? Should Sony continue requiring that games go through the ESRB and control the streams of apps, or remove the requirement all together?[/QUOTE]

If they want to compete with Apple, they'll remove the requirement. That $2500 is a big barrier to individuals or small groups, and it could cause a lot of potential games and apps to never leave the conceptual stage. It would be nice if Sony found a way to cut the cost or to maybe eat part of it themselves.

For comparison: the cost of the license to develop iPhone apps is $99. It's a lot easier to come up with that amount of money.

[quote name='J7.']Wow that is interesting. I don't know. On one hand ratings & development kit costs keep a lot of crap off the system, but on the other it's higher prices. I'm surprised Apple has avoided ratings on it's games for this long. Does Apple have it's own rating system?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but it has issues.
 
I tried a PSP Go and despite my large hands I actually like how it feels. I will say the Stick placement will take some getting used to... but I rarely use that in the first place.
 
So if the Go does bad enough the next months or years, hopefully Sony will definitely include optical media in PS4. That could be the one positive thing about all of this.
 
[quote name='J7.']So if the Go does bad enough the next months or years, hopefully Sony will definitely include optical media in PS4. That could be the one positive thing about all of this.[/QUOTE]

When was it ever mentioned that the PS4 would be DD only? Link?

As for the shit sales of the PSP Go, my home is that it goes on clearance at a few stores and I can eventually pick one up for under $100 and hopefully by then someone will have gotten CFW to work on it.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']When was it ever mentioned that the PS4 would be DD only? Link?

As for the shit sales of the PSP Go, my home is that it goes on clearance at a few stores and I can eventually pick one up for under $100 and hopefully by then someone will have gotten CFW to work on it.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't mentioned, but I think all the companies are watching how successful the PSP Go is to decide whether or not to go all digital with their next systems or keep optical, especially Sony. It wouldn't be wise to mention it at this point.
 
[quote name='J7.']So if the Go does bad enough the next months or years, hopefully Sony will definitely include optical media in PS4. That could be the one positive thing about all of this.[/QUOTE]
I don't know where you got that idea from. But no matter how well or poorly the PSPgo sells the next Sony/M$/Nintendo console will still use optical media. It'll be a LOOOOOOOOONG time until we see a home console built with just DD in mind. If anything publishers MIGHT start using DD more as a way to bring niche games(Badman, Fate/Unlimited and Agarest War come to mind) to the US.
 
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