Religious School Teacher Let Go Because She Got Pregnant Before Marriage.

We should get bmulligan and jpooptah in here. I'm sure they can all help us see the light amidst our heathen ways.
 
It's ridiculous, but I'm not surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if a catholic school fired someone because they got an abortion either.
 
[quote name='62t']3 weeks? This are making it a much bigger deal than it really is[/QUOTE]

Well, if the issue is premarital sex, it doesn't matter if it was 3 weeks, 3 days, or 3 hours. If it happened before she was officially married in the eyes of the church, it was technically a sin.

If she did not have to sign some sort of morality agreement like the teacher says, I think the school is going to have a hard time defending themselves, however. With it only being 3 weeks prior to her marriage, they can't easily make the argument she was being a bad example to students as no one would've ever known. And, without some sort of clause in the teaching contract, the principal asking when she conceived seems to really be crossing a line (not to mention broadcasting why the teacher was fired to everyone who would listen).
 
[quote name='Cantatus']Well, if the issue is premarital sex, it doesn't matter if it was 3 weeks, 3 days, or 3 hours. If it happened before she was officially married in the eyes of the church, it was technically a sin.

If she did not have to sign some sort of morality agreement like the teacher says, I think the school is going to have a hard time defending themselves, however. With it only being 3 weeks prior to her marriage, they can't easily make the argument she was being a bad example to students as no one would've ever known. And, without some sort of clause in the teaching contract, the principal asking when she conceived seems to really be crossing a line (not to mention broadcasting why the teacher was fired to everyone who would listen).[/QUOTE]


Finally someone gets it around here :applause:
 
I don't know whether it was legal but you are required to be of the faith if you are going to teach at a private religious school. I don't know what their code of conduct must be and I'm not going to defend either side until I have the facts. I'm sure if the teacher feels that she was unjustly fired and there is no stipulation in her contract that she has to strictly adhere to the faith than I'm sure she will get her job back/settlement. Then again, if she wasn't tenured many of us working folk are employed at will and either party can quit or fire based on whatever petty reasons they can think of.
 
They could have let it slide since she will be giving birth after married. I am not sure what the principle expect to gain by asking her. Now they have to call all the parents and appear on the news, which can't be a good thing from the school.
 
this isnt a story and theres nothing to debate. she violated a private religious schools code of conduct. if this were a pubic school we could talk. but its not.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']this isnt a story and theres nothing to debate. she violated a private religious schools code of conduct. if this were a pubic school we could talk. but its not.[/QUOTE]


2nd this, there is nothing to discuss.
 
[quote name='xycury']2nd this, there is nothing to discuss.[/QUOTE]

The stupidity of the church is definitely something. :bomb:

Only the church could turn a fun physical activity into something feared and looked down upon.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']this isnt a story and theres nothing to debate. she violated a private religious schools code of conduct. if this were a pubic school we could talk. but its not.[/QUOTE]

So when a cult leader opens a religious school and fires the teachers who don't have sex with him, then it's not going to be an issue right? Because it was a rule of their religion and all.
 
[quote name='camoor']So when a cult leader opens a religious school and fires the teachers who don't have sex with him, then it's not going to be an issue right? Because it was a rule of their religion and all.[/QUOTE]

:roll:
 
[quote name='camoor']Oh right - I should have shown deferrence this being a Christian nation and all :roll:[/QUOTE]

no. you should see the difference between a legally recognized religion's credentialed educational institution and a cult with a "school". doesnt matter what religion it is. you cant compare this school with some kids of parents in heavens gate.
 
ya you can teach her as long as you fuck any male that asks you to

vs

ya you can teach her as long as you don't fuck anyone until you are married.

damn, I wonder which one anyone would actually consider.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']no. you should see the difference between a legally recognized religion's credentialed educational institution and a cult with a "school". doesnt matter what religion it is. you cant compare this school with some kids of parents in heavens gate.[/QUOTE]

Well when I said cult I meant Mormon. One of them ran for President. Hell we could take a different tack and say to teach at a Moony school you need to marry whomever the leader picks out for you. Before you brush that one off, that guy runs the Wash Times which your ilk tends to quote.

As the lady said, she was never even told of the rules of conduct. If it's the Bible then why don't these Christians start firing teachers who eat shellfish or don't obey their parents? I mean, they gotta be consistent right? I mean, I never reached the point in Sunday school where they gave you the secret listing of what's important and what isn't, and Jesus was no help because he said every darn syllable is important, even the parts that contradict the other parts.
 
[quote name='camoor']Well when I said cult I meant Mormon. One of them ran for President. Hell we could take a different tack and say to teach at a Moony school you need to marry whomever the leader picks out for you. Before you brush that one off, that guy runs the Wash Times which your ilk tends to quote.

As the lady said, she was never even told of the rules of conduct. If it's the Bible then why don't these Christians start firing teachers who eat shellfish or don't obey their parents? I mean, they gotta be consistent right? I mean, I never reached the point in Sunday school where they gave you the secret listing of what's important and what isn't, and Jesus was no help because he said every darn syllable is important, even the parts that contradict the other parts.[/QUOTE]

no, he couldnt.

it seems you have a lack of understanding on christian beliefs, especially with regarding to the old testament and mormonism.
 
There is really very little difference between a cult and religion. About the only difference is that a group is considered a cult when it's small and most people believe it to be false. Once that changes, religion. If Christianity were some small little fringe group people would call it a cult.
 
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[quote name='jputahraptor']I don't know whether it was legal but you are required to be of the faith if you are going to teach at a private religious school. I don't know what their code of conduct must be and I'm not going to defend either side until I have the facts. I'm sure if the teacher feels that she was unjustly fired and there is no stipulation in her contract that she has to strictly adhere to the faith than I'm sure she will get her job back/settlement. Then again, if she wasn't tenured many of us working folk are employed at will and either party can quit or fire based on whatever petty reasons they can think of.[/QUOTE]

Most religious schools don't require you to be of the same religion to teach there.
 
[quote name='62t']They could have let it slide since she will be giving birth after married. I am not sure what the principle expect to gain by asking her. Now they have to call all the parents and appear on the news, which can't be a good thing from the school.[/QUOTE]

you said.."let it slide"....That was cool.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Most religious schools don't require you to be of the same religion to teach there.[/QUOTE]

no, but there is an honor code.
 
[quote name='xxDOYLExx']no, but there is an honor code.[/QUOTE]

There is no honor code. The school is insinuating that there were school standards however at this point the school is being (purposefully?) vague. It would be one thing if she signed an agreement that there would be no spreading before the wedding but she denies that vehemently.

Oh and this one's for Rammy:

[quote name='"Christian God"']But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you. Leviticus 11:10 [/QUOTE]

[quote name='"Jesus"']For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:18-19 [/QUOTE]

OK - so looks like I know the Christian bible better then some of you who claim to practice it (for shame)

And if you don't think that Mormons in Utah still have multiple wives or Moonies don't do everything in their power to force mass marriages ceremonies on their young, then go bury your head in the sand and leave politics to people with a brain.
 
If she didn't sign anything, then it shouldn't be an issue.. I was thinking of private colleges with honor codes. Students get booted all the time for honor code violations. Not sure I have heard of staff getting the boot, though.

Well when I said cult I meant Mormon.
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As long as I can say "when I say terrorist I mean muslim."
 
[quote name='camoor']Well when I said cult I meant Mormon. [/quote]

Odd. I was unaware Mormon's forced people to have sex with them. I'm pretty sure they're all for that "no sex until marriage" thing as well.

[quote name='camoor']There is no honor code. The school is insinuating that there were school standards however at this point the school is being (purposefully?) vague. It would be one thing if she signed an agreement that there would be no spreading before the wedding but she denies that vehemently.[/QUOTE]

And even if there were "school standards", it's much different than having some sort of contract she's signed and agreed to uphold. Really, the burden of proof is on the school. If they have some sort of contract all teachers are required to sign to teach at the school, this is a very open and shut case for them. If not, they really don't have much to stand on.
 
[quote name='Cantatus']Odd. I was unaware Mormon's forced people to have sex with them. I'm pretty sure they're all for that "no sex until marriage" thing as well.[/QUOTE]

Smith gradually unfolded a theology of family relations called the "New and Everlasting Covenant"[351] that superseded all earthly bonds.[352] Smith taught that outside the Covenant, marriages were simply matters of contract,[353] and Mormons outside the Covenant would be mere ministering angels to those within, who would be gods.[354] To fully enter the Covenant, a man and woman must participate in a "first anointing," a "sealing" ceremony, and a "second anointing."[355] When fully sealed into the Covenant, Smith said that no sin nor blasphemy (other than the eternal sin) could keep them from their "exaltation," that is, their godhood in the afterlife.[356] According to Smith, only one person on earth at a time—in this case, Smith—could possess this power of sealing.[357]
Smith taught that the highest exaltation would be achieved through "plural marriage" (polygamy),[354] which was the ultimate manifestation of this New and Everlasting Covenant.[358] Plural marriage allowed an individual to transcend the angelic state and become a god[359] by gaining an "eternal increase" of posterity.[354] Smith taught and practiced this doctrine secretly but always publicly denied it.[360] Nevertheless, Smith taught that once he revealed the doctrine to anyone, failure to practice it would be to risk God's wrath.[361]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith,_Jr.#Ethics_and_morality

That's cult speak for the leader can fuck who he wants.

I agree with you on the other point :)
 
Ya know... I'm not sure if it's her's/there's but they already have a kid soo... I guess the school didn't notice that one?

Also, how do they treat you if you're divorced because they technically waited til they were married assuming someone got knocked up.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']I say boot her dumb ass for getting knocked up. You have job, teach and learn to set a damned example.[/QUOTE]

How about the guy who knocked her up. Should he lose his job too?
 
[quote name='camoor']How about the guy who knocked her up. Should he lose his job too?[/QUOTE]

I would suggest he should..:lol:, but them both jobless would mean two more people sucking the government dry because of welfare.

He should learn to keep his d*** in his pants.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']I would suggest he should..:lol:, but them both jobless would mean two more people sucking the government dry because of welfare.

He should learn to keep his d*** in his pants.[/QUOTE]

Guy on the prowl, let him off with a casual taunt. Woman with an extra mouth to feed, say goodbye to your job.

And with brilliant moral accounting like that, people wonder why this country is going to hell.
 
[quote name='camoor']Guy on the prowl, let him off with a casual taunt. Woman with an extra mouth to feed, say goodbye to your job.

And with brilliant moral accounting like that, people wonder why this country is going to hell.[/QUOTE]

That's your opinion.
 
[quote name='camoor']There is no honor code. The school is insinuating that there were school standards however at this point the school is being (purposefully?) vague. It would be one thing if she signed an agreement that there would be no spreading before the wedding but she denies that vehemently.

Oh and this one's for Rammy:





OK - so looks like I know the Christian bible better then some of you who claim to practice it (for shame)

And if you don't think that Mormons in Utah still have multiple wives or Moonies don't do everything in their power to force mass marriages ceremonies on their young, then go bury your head in the sand and leave politics to people with a brain.[/QUOTE]

congrats you can quote the bible out of context.

[quote name='camoor']http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith,_Jr.#Ethics_and_morality

That's cult speak for the leader can fuck who he wants.

I agree with you on the other point :)[/QUOTE]

congrats, you can misinterpret the term "sealing".

mormons dont practice polygamy. saying people from the FLDS represent mormons is like saying david koresh's branch davidians represent protestants.
 
This is like a dood being upset over not getting a job as a hooters server.

Legally they shouldn't discriminate, but this crap isn't good for business.
 
[quote name='xxDOYLExx']This is like a dood being upset over not getting a job as a hooters server.

Legally they shouldn't discriminate, but this crap isn't good for business.[/QUOTE]

Don't you dare bring Dale Gribble into this. He just came to see the opening of a dog house.
 
[quote name='camoor']OK - so looks like I know the Christian bible better then some of you who claim to practice it (for shame)
[/QUOTE]


There's a pretty good sized difference between quoting and understanding...
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']I say boot her dumb ass for getting knocked up. You have job, teach and learn to set a damned example.[/QUOTE]

I would LOL, but I think you're serious.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']You're a $$$ dude. How is some thats 24 this fucked up in the head?[/QUOTE]


First off son, learn to type, I know excessive pot use has damaged most of your brain cells, leaving you to function like an inbreed monkey with down syndrome. I feel like my IQ drops two points every time I try and read one of your post.

If this woman signed a contract that had an "honor code" in it, well then hey, she deserves to get fired, if not, then she deserves to sue. Simple.

Right?
 
[quote name='docvinh']I would LOL, but I think you're serious.[/QUOTE]

I am serious, that's another mouth to feed, another human being that's going to live to be around 77.8 years old and in that time take up all forms of resources needed for useful people....you know the types...who accomplish stuff.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']First off son, learn to type, I know excessive pot use has damaged most of your brain cells, leaving you to function like an inbreed monkey with down syndrome. I feel like my IQ drops two points every time I try and read one of your post.

If this woman signed a contract that had an "honor code" in it, well then hey, she deserves to get fired, if not, then she deserves to sue. Simple.

Right?[/QUOTE]

no, brah..He called you money, thats a compliment.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']I am serious, that's another mouth to feed, another human being that's going to live to be around 77.8 years old and in that time take up all forms of resources needed for useful people....you know the types...who accomplish stuff.[/QUOTE]

She had a job and could support the child, so I'm not sure what you're arguing here.
 
[quote name='docvinh']She had a job and could support the child, so I'm not sure what you're arguing here.[/QUOTE]

Well...now she doesn't. So who's going to have to help? Taxpayers. Us. Because some skank can't keep her legs closed, and some yokel couldn't keep it in his pants.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']Well...now she doesn't. So who's going to have to help? Taxpayers. Us. Because some skank can't keep her legs closed, and some yokel couldn't keep it in his pants.[/QUOTE]

Not sure why she's a skank, but sure I guess. You really make no sense at all most of the time.
 
So you actively encourage people getting fired for archaic caveman policies, but get mad when taxpayers then have to help pick up the slack.

C'mon man that's not cool.
 
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