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I just love Dohdough's defnition that 100% of the majority population IS racist (i.e. Whites as of 2012) because they live in a society that benefits them; even if only indirectly
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The minority populations (i.e. blacks, chinese, latinos) can NOT be racists because they do not have the ability to influence society in a manner that benfits them.
Maybe it's me but I think it does all minorities a huge
ing injustice to remind them every day that the reason why they are getting a raw deal (i.e. didn't get into a certain college, didn't get a certain job, got convicted of a particular crime) is because they are a minority--true or not!
I mean what the!
My girlfriends biological mother is 100% puerto rican and speaks like five words of broken english. Her father (whom she has never met) was 50% black and 50% black hispanic. She was born into poverty and almost all of her family is still in poverty.
HOWEVER I refuse to sit back and coddle her when things don't go her way. Whating good does it do for me to tell her that her family shares no responsibilities for their hardships; that she shares no responsibilities for her hardships.
Black, white, yellow life is about taking responsibilty for what you can control. PERIOD. Their are many things that minorities do NOT have control over but their are many things that they do----but telling them that they are royallyed because they don't happen to have a certain skin color is not only ignorant it is detrimental to their progress because it creates a victim attitude.
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The minority populations (i.e. blacks, chinese, latinos) can NOT be racists because they do not have the ability to influence society in a manner that benfits them.
Maybe it's me but I think it does all minorities a huge
ing injustice to remind them every day that the reason why they are getting a raw deal (i.e. didn't get into a certain college, didn't get a certain job, got convicted of a particular crime) is because they are a minority--true or not!I mean what the
!My girlfriends biological mother is 100% puerto rican and speaks like five words of broken english. Her father (whom she has never met) was 50% black and 50% black hispanic. She was born into poverty and almost all of her family is still in poverty.
HOWEVER I refuse to sit back and coddle her when things don't go her way. What
ing good does it do for me to tell her that her family shares no responsibilities for their hardships; that she shares no responsibilities for her hardships.Black, white, yellow life is about taking responsibilty for what you can control. PERIOD. Their are many things that minorities do NOT have control over but their are many things that they do----but telling them that they are royally
ed because they don't happen to have a certain skin color is not only ignorant it is detrimental to their progress because it creates a victim attitude.I'm curious, Doh. Are your delusions caused by indoctrination suffered while attaining a degree at a liberal college, or should they be blamed on your friends and family? I believe curing discrimination with more discrimination is not a winning formula. Forced diversity, much like forced charity, is not real "diversity". I'm fine with BET by the way. A private company, like a private individual, should have the right to be as racist and ignorant as they want. Customers, not government, should be the driving force of change via boycotts and what not.
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[quote name='egofed']liberal college[/QUOTE]
redundant. all colleges are liberal. except for Hillsdale and Liberty.
redundant. all colleges are liberal. except for Hillsdale and Liberty.
Hard to believe its actually come to this. Am I really reading someone advocate apathy.
"DohDoh , you're stirring up the pot and I dont "enjoy" the manner in which you handle things because it interferes with my complacency. Further more the lack of equanimity on your part only serves to embolden my stance.: Ignorance is bliss and you'rein up my happy."
Like it or not (And I dont blame those that dont) Dohdoh gets you pissed off and in the heat of the moment the truth spills out of you.
Latino , Blacks or Chinese? Asian man, Asian. Thats like from the eighties
"DohDoh , you're stirring up the pot and I dont "enjoy" the manner in which you handle things because it interferes with my complacency. Further more the lack of equanimity on your part only serves to embolden my stance.: Ignorance is bliss and you're
in up my happy."Like it or not (And I dont blame those that dont) Dohdoh gets you pissed off and in the heat of the moment the truth spills out of you.
Latino , Blacks or Chinese? Asian man, Asian. Thats like from the eighties
[quote name='confoosious']Here's the thing about racists on an online forum: you're not gonna change their minds. Are racists a bunch of dumb s who I wouldn't be friends with in real life? yes. Do I think that throwing around terms like neo-conservative-but-right-of-the-left-retro-discriminatory-neo-mccarthy-blah-blah-blah is going to make that racist NOT give a black guy a job because he's black? Nope.
1) I'd prefer no racists on CAG. And I often point out to mods anti-semitic or racist things in the deals forum because I really don't want to hear their stupid bullshit.
2) DD- You don't want no racists on CAG, you just want to yell at them.
See the difference?[/QUOTE]
You're right about one thing: I do enjoy yelling at them...probably as much as they like spouting off their racist "non-racist" mental garbage that they probably don't get any push-back on in real life either. But the difference between you and me is that I'm actually a believer in the freedom of speech and I've never reported a single non-spambot post. Who am I to decide what's acceptable speech on CAG? I'm aing nobody. If there are mods that want to enforce certain written and unwritten rules, then they're the ones that have the power to do so and I leave it to their discretion. It's not like they don't know what goes on in here.
Frankly, I'm surprised that they closed the thread about black people being racist because most of them vote for Obama when shit comments like that has been going on in vs. for years. Hell, didn't someone bring it up in this thread too?
You want credit for reporting racist posts in Deals? Well you got it, but don't get pissed at me for calling a racist asshole a racist asshole to their proverbial face.
Believe me, I'd be ecstatic if CAG was free of racism, but I'm realistic and realize it never will be. If I point it out, at least some people will be more cognizant of it regardless of most not.
s who I wouldn't be friends with in real life? yes. Do I think that throwing around terms like neo-conservative-but-right-of-the-left-retro-discriminatory-neo-mccarthy-blah-blah-blah is going to make that racist NOT give a black guy a job because he's black? Nope. 1) I'd prefer no racists on CAG. And I often point out to mods anti-semitic or racist things in the deals forum because I really don't want to hear their stupid bullshit.
2) DD- You don't want no racists on CAG, you just want to yell at them.
See the difference?[/QUOTE]
You're right about one thing: I do enjoy yelling at them...probably as much as they like spouting off their racist "non-racist" mental garbage that they probably don't get any push-back on in real life either. But the difference between you and me is that I'm actually a believer in the freedom of speech and I've never reported a single non-spambot post. Who am I to decide what's acceptable speech on CAG? I'm a
ing nobody. If there are mods that want to enforce certain written and unwritten rules, then they're the ones that have the power to do so and I leave it to their discretion. It's not like they don't know what goes on in here.Frankly, I'm surprised that they closed the thread about black people being racist because most of them vote for Obama when shit comments like that has been going on in vs. for years. Hell, didn't someone bring it up in this thread too?
You want credit for reporting racist posts in Deals? Well you got it, but don't get pissed at me for calling a racist asshole a racist asshole to their proverbial face.
Believe me, I'd be ecstatic if CAG was free of racism, but I'm realistic and realize it never will be. If I point it out, at least some people will be more cognizant of it regardless of most not.
[quote name='EdRyder']Hard to believe its actually come to this. Am I really reading someone advocate apathy.
"DohDoh , you're stirring up the pot and I dont "enjoy" the manner in which you handle things because it interferes with my complacency. Further more the lack of equanimity on your part only serves to embolden my stance.: Ignorance is bliss and you'rein up my happy."
Like it or not (And I dont blame those that dont) Dohdoh gets you pissed off and in the heat of the moment the truth spills out of you.
Latino , Blacks or Chinese? Asian man, Asian. Thats like from the eighties[/QUOTE]
SO you're going to refute my point by drawing attention to the fact that I said chinese instead of Asian?
But you're okay with the stance that the majority race is automatically racist because they live in a society, even if only passively, where they benefit from being the majority but the minority population can never be racists because they don't have enough influence to control how the society is run?
You don't take argument with that?
And you think it is okay to tell someone that the reason they didn't get a job was because of their skin color? That the reason why they got a speeding ticket was because of their skin color? That the reason they grew up in poverty or are currently poor is because of their skin color?
No... couldn't be because of the choices they made. Nope.
"DohDoh , you're stirring up the pot and I dont "enjoy" the manner in which you handle things because it interferes with my complacency. Further more the lack of equanimity on your part only serves to embolden my stance.: Ignorance is bliss and you're
in up my happy."Like it or not (And I dont blame those that dont) Dohdoh gets you pissed off and in the heat of the moment the truth spills out of you.
Latino , Blacks or Chinese? Asian man, Asian. Thats like from the eighties[/QUOTE]
SO you're going to refute my point by drawing attention to the fact that I said chinese instead of Asian?
But you're okay with the stance that the majority race is automatically racist because they live in a society, even if only passively, where they benefit from being the majority but the minority population can never be racists because they don't have enough influence to control how the society is run?
You don't take argument with that?
And you think it is okay to tell someone that the reason they didn't get a job was because of their skin color? That the reason why they got a speeding ticket was because of their skin color? That the reason they grew up in poverty or are currently poor is because of their skin color?
No... couldn't be because of the choices they made. Nope.
[quote name='dohdough']
Believe me, I'd be ecstatic if CAG was free of racism, but I'm realistic and realize it never will be. If I point it out, at least some people will be more cognizant of it regardless of most not.[/QUOTE]
How could CAG ever bee free of racism; Isn't that impossible as long as white people use it?
I mean afterall 100% of White people are racists because they make up the majority population.
Right? Right?
Believe me, I'd be ecstatic if CAG was free of racism, but I'm realistic and realize it never will be. If I point it out, at least some people will be more cognizant of it regardless of most not.[/QUOTE]
How could CAG ever bee free of racism; Isn't that impossible as long as white people use it?
I mean afterall 100% of White people are racists because they make up the majority population.
Right? Right?
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[quote name='egofed'] A private company, like a private individual, should have the right to be as racist and ignorant as they want.[/QUOTE]
No, they shouldn't.
No, they shouldn't.
[quote name='GBAstar']I just love Dohdough's defnition that 100% of the majority population IS racist (i.e. Whites as of 2012) because they live in a society that benefits them; even if only indirectly
AND
The minority populations (i.e. blacks, chinese, latinos) can NOT be racists because they do not have the ability to influence society in a manner that benfits them.[/QUOTE]
Racism aside, do you disagree that this is a reality?
But hey, you've got a non-white girlfriend so that makes you on expert on this race shit right?.You.
[quote name='egofed']I'm curious, Doh. Are your delusions caused by indoctrination suffered while attaining a degree at a liberal college, or should they be blamed on your friends and family? I believe curing discrimination with more discrimination is not a winning formula. Forced diversity, much like forced charity, is not real "diversity".[/QUOTE]
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The minority populations (i.e. blacks, chinese, latinos) can NOT be racists because they do not have the ability to influence society in a manner that benfits them.[/QUOTE]
Racism aside, do you disagree that this is a reality?
Think about your statement here...that even if it's true, which makes the person a victim of something called racism, we can't call it that or let them know. Is it because if we did, we'd have to actually do something about it so that it doesn't happen? It's some ass backwards logic to call what you think I do a greater injustice than what you're describing.Maybe it's me but I think it does all minorities a huge
Took the words right out of my mouth.I mean what the
That's because you're an insensitive prick that can't relate to her or her family because of your privilege. Your inability to be empathetic is your own shortcoming; not hers or her family's.My girlfriends biological mother is 100% puerto rican and speaks like five words of broken english. Her father (whom she has never met) was 50% black and 50% black hispanic. She was born into poverty and almost all of her family is still in poverty.
HOWEVER I refuse to sit back and coddle her when things don't go her way. What
But hey, you've got a non-white girlfriend so that makes you on expert on this race shit right?
.You.I guess if you don't wanna get pulled over 99% more than white guys as a black man in New York, you shouldn't look black! It's not being a victim that makes you a victim, it's calling you a victim that makes you a victim! Thank you for enlightening me! I'm going to go tell a person that had sex forced upon them that they shouldn't have dressed like a slut. Personal responsibility right!Black, white, yellow life is about taking responsibilty for what you can control. PERIOD. Their are many things that minorities do NOT have control over but their are many things that they do----but telling them that they are royally
[quote name='egofed']I'm curious, Doh. Are your delusions caused by indoctrination suffered while attaining a degree at a liberal college, or should they be blamed on your friends and family? I believe curing discrimination with more discrimination is not a winning formula. Forced diversity, much like forced charity, is not real "diversity".[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that really solved racism after the 14th Amendment.
it, I got some time to kill...[quote name='GBAstar']SO you're going to refute my point by drawing attention to the fact that I said chinese instead of Asian?
But you're okay with the stance that the majority race is automatically racist because they live in a society, even if only passively, where they benefit from being the majority but the minority population can never be racists because they don't have enough influence to control how the society is run?
You don't take argument with that?[/quote]
When white is right and black, stay back? Yeah, it's a prety big
ing problem.When a white man with a hs diploma and criminal history has a higher chance of getting a job than a black man with a hs diploma with NO criminal record, what would you call it? When black men are 7 times more likely to be pulled over and frisked when white men are 4 times as likely to have drugs when they actually are pulled over, what does that tell you? If hundreds of years of slavery and legislated poverty and illiteracy were forced upon a certain race with no real concerted effort to negate the effects, what would YOU call it?
Right, people chose to be born a race that is discriminated against.
[quote name='GBAstar']How could CAG ever bee free of racism; Isn't that impossible as long as white people use it?
I mean afterall 100% of White people are racists because they make up the majority population.
Right? Right?[/QUOTE]
Maybe because it's bigger than any particular individual, you stupid racist
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I absolutely disagree. It's not a all or nothing situation. Whites can not be 100% racist because they are the majority just like blacks or native americans or whomever else can not be excluded from being a racist because they are the minority.
By saying that you are trivializing all the efforts whites put together to abolish slavery; end segregation; and everything in between and you are forgiving all the hate that has ever come from a minority figure and been directed to a majority figure.
So you believe it is better to say "It's alright... not your fault...
society" then provide the person with tools on how to succeed in the current system? So that one day they can be in a position to make change? Or do you believe it is easier to instill change from the bottom instead of the top?That's because you're an insensitive prick that can't relate to her or her family because of your privilege. Your inability to be empathetic is your own shortcoming; not hers or her family's.
But hey, you've got a non-white girlfriend so that makes you on expert on this race shit right?
No it's because I can call a spade a spade. While they have certainly faced hardships that I was never exposed to they have made many mistakes which they need to take responsibility for--otherwise they will continue to make them. No one forced them to commit crimes. No one forced them to buy unnecessary luxuries when they didn't have their basic needs covered. No one forced the kids to drop out of school.
I guess if you want throw around bullshit figures good for you
[quote name='GBAstar']I absolutely disagree. It's not a all or nothing situation. Whites can not be 100% racist because they are the majority just like blacks or native americans or whomever else can not be excluded from being a racist because they are the minority.[/QUOTE]
Yeah...Native Americans are getting drunk on that white hateorade. So much that they were doing forced sterilizations on them and taking away their children as a way to destroy white culture upto the 70's.
ing idea! How about we do both! Your answer isn't calling a spade a spade; it's 'em
Change requires power. From the top, the bottom, and everything inbetween.
Lemme give you another hint on what you're missing: class and social capital makes a difference too.
Here's an even better piece of advice: go take a goddamn sociology 101 course.
Yeah...Native Americans are getting drunk on that white hateorade. So much that they were doing forced sterilizations on them and taking away their children as a way to destroy white culture upto the 70's.
When the hate of a person of color towards whites takes the form of my example above, let me know.
Hey, I have a crazySo you believe it is better to say "It's alright... not your fault...
ing idea! How about we do both! Your answer isn't calling a spade a spade; it's 'emChange requires power. From the top, the bottom, and everything inbetween.
So why did they make those decisions? Because they're just naturally stupid? Oh I know! It's their culture, right?
Lemme give you another hint on what you're missing: class and social capital makes a difference too.
Here's an even better piece of advice: go take a goddamn sociology 101 course.
Still better than you callous remark about white supremacy and slavery never happening.
[quote name='GBAstar']SO you're going to refute my point by drawing attention to the fact that I said chinese instead of Asian?
But you're okay with the stance that the majority race is automatically racist because they live in a society, even if only passively, where they benefit from being the majority but the minority population can never be racists because they don't have enough influence to control how the society is run?
You don't take argument with that?
And you think it is okay to tell someone that the reason they didn't get a job was because of their skin color? That the reason why they got a speeding ticket was because of their skin color? That the reason they grew up in poverty or are currently poor is because of their skin color?
No... couldn't be because of the choices they made. Nope.[/QUOTE]
Again , you have problem in the manner I chose to address it. So Strange. You guys know that you haven't been conscripted to post here right? Its all voluntary.
Lets address your first observation. Your girlfriends mother.
If you sat her down and said "Honey , you didnt get that job because the deck is stacked against you. One you were born a woman and two, you were born a puerto rican woman." Somehow, leveling with her honestly and respectfully would do more HARM than Good?
Even if you sugar coated it and said : "You might be a puerto rican woman but get out there and go for the gold!" That would be your preference? Or do you actually believe that isn't the case , that the deck isn't stacked against her, that shes incapable?
I'm sorry but theres no other way to say this. Thats justing crazy.
The problem isnt someone got a speeding ticket because of their skin color, its telling them they got a speeding ticket because of their skin color?
But you're okay with the stance that the majority race is automatically racist because they live in a society, even if only passively, where they benefit from being the majority but the minority population can never be racists because they don't have enough influence to control how the society is run?
You don't take argument with that?
And you think it is okay to tell someone that the reason they didn't get a job was because of their skin color? That the reason why they got a speeding ticket was because of their skin color? That the reason they grew up in poverty or are currently poor is because of their skin color?
No... couldn't be because of the choices they made. Nope.[/QUOTE]
Again , you have problem in the manner I chose to address it. So Strange. You guys know that you haven't been conscripted to post here right? Its all voluntary.
Lets address your first observation. Your girlfriends mother.
If you sat her down and said "Honey , you didnt get that job because the deck is stacked against you. One you were born a woman and two, you were born a puerto rican woman." Somehow, leveling with her honestly and respectfully would do more HARM than Good?
Even if you sugar coated it and said : "You might be a puerto rican woman but get out there and go for the gold!" That would be your preference? Or do you actually believe that isn't the case , that the deck isn't stacked against her, that shes incapable?
I'm sorry but theres no other way to say this. Thats just
ing crazy.The problem isnt someone got a speeding ticket because of their skin color, its telling them they got a speeding ticket because of their skin color?
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[quote name='dohdough']You're right about one thing: I do enjoy yelling at them...probably as much as they like spouting off their racist "non-racist" mental garbage that they probably don't get any push-back on in real life either..[/QUOTE]
You think you "pushing back" is going to make a whit of difference?
This isn't like someone who doesn't know any better. These are dumbass racists who very much enjoy spouting their racism. You think you calling them racist will make them less racist? Or think "hey someone called me racist on the internet, I should rethink my life!"
Your battle against the racists is like the internet meme about winning an argument and the special olympics.
You're not changing people's minds. You're just yelling for the sake of yelling. But hey, if that gets your off, good for you.
You think you "pushing back" is going to make a whit of difference?
This isn't like someone who doesn't know any better. These are dumbass racists who very much enjoy spouting their racism. You think you calling them racist will make them less racist? Or think "hey someone called me racist on the internet, I should rethink my life!"
Your battle against the racists is like the internet meme about winning an argument and the special olympics.
You're not changing people's minds. You're just yelling for the sake of yelling. But hey, if that gets your off, good for you.
[quote name='confoosious']You think you "pushing back" is going to make a whit of difference?
This isn't like someone who doesn't know any better. These are dumbass racists who very much enjoy spouting their racism. You think you calling them racist will make them less racist? Or think "hey someone called me racist on the internet, I should rethink my life!"
Your battle against the racists is like the internet meme about winning an argument and the special olympics.
You're not changing people's minds. You're just yelling for the sake of yelling. But hey, if that gets your off, good for you.[/QUOTE]
The minds you're changing aren't always the ones you're directly talking to. A public debate doesn't just involve the parties debating each other. HTH
And btw, I could partially understand your position if all I did was hurl insults and made baseless accusations, but I don't and you know it. I drink these motherer's milkshakes.
This isn't like someone who doesn't know any better. These are dumbass racists who very much enjoy spouting their racism. You think you calling them racist will make them less racist? Or think "hey someone called me racist on the internet, I should rethink my life!"
Your battle against the racists is like the internet meme about winning an argument and the special olympics.
You're not changing people's minds. You're just yelling for the sake of yelling. But hey, if that gets your off, good for you.[/QUOTE]
The minds you're changing aren't always the ones you're directly talking to. A public debate doesn't just involve the parties debating each other. HTH
And btw, I could partially understand your position if all I did was hurl insults and made baseless accusations, but I don't and you know it. I drink these mother
er's milkshakes.There is a reason dohdough posts on a video game forum twenty four seven about such important matters (in his mind anyway). What do you think that reason is?
Think about those things and it won't bother you about all his crazy racist beliefs and need to tell everyone about them. He needs this and we all make his life livable. Because god knows if he spouted that shit in public to everyone he comes across that HE believes is racist he would be in the hospital twenty four seven. Let him have his internet balls and spout his racist mental BS on here and the government will save some money not from the welfare he gets but from the paying all the medical bills and or jail time he would receive if he took his sideshow to the street.
Let him revel in his little racist hate filled imaginary world as we don't want it out on the street.
Think about those things and it won't bother you about all his crazy racist beliefs and need to tell everyone about them. He needs this and we all make his life livable. Because god knows if he spouted that shit in public to everyone he comes across that HE believes is racist he would be in the hospital twenty four seven. Let him have his internet balls and spout his racist mental BS on here and the government will save some money not from the welfare he gets but from the paying all the medical bills and or jail time he would receive if he took his sideshow to the street.
Let him revel in his little racist hate filled imaginary world as we don't want it out on the street.
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[quote name='dohdough']The minds you're changing aren't always the ones you're directly talking to. A public debate doesn't just involve the parties debating each other. HTH
And btw, I could partially understand your position if all I did was hurl insults and made baseless accusations, but I don't and you know it. I drink these motherer's milkshakes.[/QUOTE]
You're under the delusion that that matters at all.
And btw, I could partially understand your position if all I did was hurl insults and made baseless accusations, but I don't and you know it. I drink these mother
er's milkshakes.[/QUOTE]You're under the delusion that that matters at all.
[quote name='Recycle']There is a reason dohdough posts on a video game forum twenty four seven about such important matters (in his mind anyway). What do you think that reason is?[/QUOTE]
If you're so smart and know me so well, why not just say it?
If you're so smart and know me so well, why not just say it?
What about my beliefs are crazy and racist? What are non-racist and non-crazy beliefs on race? What evidence do you have to support your claims and why should we use your framework instead of mine?
I'm a little old for physical altercations, but I can certainly give and take a punch. And believe me, people generally don't know how to react when they're called out on their racist behavior, but being physically violent isn't one of them.
Regardless of your opinion and labeling, what does being on welfare have to do with the veracity of my argument? Does 2+2!=4 if I was on government assistance? Or maybe I have a job that affords me the luxury of posting on the intewebz? Or maybe I'm a retired millionaire...or maybe I'm self-employed...or maybe I have a huge inheritance...or maybe I'm a student...or maybe you're just a banned CAG named Pliskin101, but that still doesn't matter one bit.
Tell us more about it. If you're going to whine about lack of content, provide some.
[quote name='confoosious']You're under the delusion that that matters at all.[/QUOTE]
That's because you're focused on the wrong point, which is why you don't get it.
Lemme put it to you in another way that you'll hopefully get this time: There are 60 posters on this thread with 460+ posts and 9000+ views. Do you think that those 60 posters are solely responsible for 9000 views?
That's because you're focused on the wrong point, which is why you don't get it.
Lemme put it to you in another way that you'll hopefully get this time: There are 60 posters on this thread with 460+ posts and 9000+ views. Do you think that those 60 posters are solely responsible for 9000 views?
[quote name='Knoell']A quarterback has 6 passes intercepted in a game.
How could this statistic be misleading to anyone looking at simply the "facts"?[/QUOTE]
They wont get it.
Now was the quarterback white? If you ask some (hint hint dohdough/ clak) why the interceptions happened and the quarterback was say black the reason for the interceptions would be because of racism. If the quarterback was white it was because they just didn't take advantage of their white privilege. Now if someone disputes these claims they are racist. I could go on.... but you get the picture...
How could this statistic be misleading to anyone looking at simply the "facts"?[/QUOTE]
They wont get it.
Now was the quarterback white? If you ask some (hint hint dohdough/ clak) why the interceptions happened and the quarterback was say black the reason for the interceptions would be because of racism. If the quarterback was white it was because they just didn't take advantage of their white privilege. Now if someone disputes these claims they are racist. I could go on.... but you get the picture...
[quote name='dohdough']
Regardless of your opinion and labeling, what does being on welfare have to do with the veracity of my argument? Does 2+2!=4 if I was on government assistance? Or maybe I have a job that affords me the luxury of posting on the intewebz? Or maybe I'm a retired millionaire...or maybe I'm self-employed...or maybe I have a huge inheritance...or maybe I'm a student...or maybe you're just a banned CAG named Pliskin101, but that still doesn't matter one bit.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of your opinion and labeling, it does matter and if you can't understand that then maybe you should change most of your other arguements based on your opinions that I have seen you make. It doesn't matter one bit...
edit: To be fair I should let you know that I know more about racism then anyone on this thread and that includes you. My knowledge on the subject easily surpasses everyone on these vs. threads. I with that knowledge am telling you that you and clak are racist and you are the biggest racist here. 2+2=4. If you have even half the knowledge I do then you know this to be true. 2+2=4. I will also give you another fact not all white people are racist or particiapte in racism. 2+2=4. Other people that are not white can be racist and are. 2+2=4. Now you can have your podium back and discuss your opinions and interpretations of these facts. 2+2=4.
Regardless of your opinion and labeling, what does being on welfare have to do with the veracity of my argument? Does 2+2!=4 if I was on government assistance? Or maybe I have a job that affords me the luxury of posting on the intewebz? Or maybe I'm a retired millionaire...or maybe I'm self-employed...or maybe I have a huge inheritance...or maybe I'm a student...or maybe you're just a banned CAG named Pliskin101, but that still doesn't matter one bit.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of your opinion and labeling, it does matter and if you can't understand that then maybe you should change most of your other arguements based on your opinions that I have seen you make. It doesn't matter one bit...
edit: To be fair I should let you know that I know more about racism then anyone on this thread and that includes you. My knowledge on the subject easily surpasses everyone on these vs. threads. I with that knowledge am telling you that you and clak are racist and you are the biggest racist here. 2+2=4. If you have even half the knowledge I do then you know this to be true. 2+2=4. I will also give you another fact not all white people are racist or particiapte in racism. 2+2=4. Other people that are not white can be racist and are. 2+2=4. Now you can have your podium back and discuss your opinions and interpretations of these facts. 2+2=4.
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Damn, you guys get really riled up over something some dude posts on an internet forum. Why don't you go out and confront people who do this in person. Go harass Jesse Jackson or someone, or are you too chicken shit to do this in person? No you see, I have no doubt that doh walks the walk, he's said as much many times, you all on the other hand probably only bitch to your like minded friends about stuff like this.
ing cowards.
ing cowards.Oh man, this stuff is comedic gold. I would like to hear Doh's proposals as to what needs to be done to correct the current societal racism issue. Not just for blacks, but all the races that got a raw deal.
I posted an article about freed blacks in the South who were slave owners. Does that make them racist? Hehehehheehe...
I know racism exists. I see it everyday. Everyone holds some prejudice and bias, even Doh;-). But to continually blame an entire segment of the population's problems on it, without acknowledging the role of personal choice, is simplistic and absurd. Kinda of like telling a woman that she didn't get a job in America because she's female and puerto rican, NOT because she can only speak five words of broken english. And those minorities that do achieve, you must really hate them, huh, Doh? Breaks your little systemic raw deal campaign right down.
Recycle, your comments about knowing more than anybody about racism, are meant to incite and rile these guys up? Right? I mean, nobody knows each other on here. MLK could've faked his death and be posting on CAG under the name dohdough for all we know.;-)
I posted an article about freed blacks in the South who were slave owners. Does that make them racist? Hehehehheehe...
I know racism exists. I see it everyday. Everyone holds some prejudice and bias, even Doh;-). But to continually blame an entire segment of the population's problems on it, without acknowledging the role of personal choice, is simplistic and absurd. Kinda of like telling a woman that she didn't get a job in America because she's female and puerto rican, NOT because she can only speak five words of broken english. And those minorities that do achieve, you must really hate them, huh, Doh? Breaks your little systemic raw deal campaign right down.
Recycle, your comments about knowing more than anybody about racism, are meant to incite and rile these guys up? Right? I mean, nobody knows each other on here. MLK could've faked his death and be posting on CAG under the name dohdough for all we know.;-)
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[quote name='EdRyder']"DohDoh , you're stirring up the pot and I dont "enjoy" the manner in which you handle things because it interferes with my complacency. Further more the lack of equanimity on your part only serves to embolden my stance.: Ignorance is bliss and you're in up my happy."[/QUOTE]
Connie spends his time on the other subforums trying to out yell (or out snipe) posters with whom he disagrees. Yet apparently DD's not allowed to do it here...because connie said so.
If you ask me, it makes loads of sense and connie has solid ground to stand on.
in up my happy."[/QUOTE]Connie spends his time on the other subforums trying to out yell (or out snipe) posters with whom he disagrees. Yet apparently DD's not allowed to do it here...because connie said so.
If you ask me, it makes loads of sense and connie has solid ground to stand on.
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[quote name='mykevermin']I think you have to admit that your, shall we say, heavy-handed approach is not going to convince anybody who doesn't already believe you. In essence, I think people are saying that you preach to the choir.
The question that remains, then, is what is your goal? What do you hope to achieve, is it simply to identify racism and calling out my name? Or do you hope to help people identify racism within themselves, and help them actively seek to destroy it? Or is your goal something else entirely?
I don't necessarily have a problem with your approach, however I think other people are correct in thinking that you're a bit too belligerent times. Trust me, I'd rather actually be discussing racism than your personality. However, I think for the sake of all of us here, if we can understand where you're coming from and why you're coming from that angle, we can better understand the context of your conversation.[/QUOTE]
That's rich coming from you.
The question that remains, then, is what is your goal? What do you hope to achieve, is it simply to identify racism and calling out my name? Or do you hope to help people identify racism within themselves, and help them actively seek to destroy it? Or is your goal something else entirely?
I don't necessarily have a problem with your approach, however I think other people are correct in thinking that you're a bit too belligerent times. Trust me, I'd rather actually be discussing racism than your personality. However, I think for the sake of all of us here, if we can understand where you're coming from and why you're coming from that angle, we can better understand the context of your conversation.[/QUOTE]
That's rich coming from you.
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[quote name='egofed']I know racism exists. I see it everyday. Everyone holds some prejudice and bias, even Doh;-). But to continually blame an entire segment of the population's problems on it, without acknowledging the role of personal choice, is simplistic and absurd. [/QUOTE]
So wait - you see racism every day (every day!), but you don't want society to assign blame to racists for their racist behavior because of "personal choice"?
I think you need a timeout to think that one through.
So wait - you see racism every day (every day!), but you don't want society to assign blame to racists for their racist behavior because of "personal choice"?
I think you need a timeout to think that one through.
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[quote name='PottyPops']You do realize you directly contradicted yourself just 4 points later don't you? They overlook drug use and assault but they're looking to throw you in jail for anything they can???[/QUOTE]
As that simple point seems to be to hard for you to understand I'll make it simpler for you, if a rich person commits a crime especially a white collar crime, they are far less likely to get caught, for more likely to have it get overlooked, and even if caught they will get a far more lenient sentence.
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I guess poor ppl don't have parents, as that is a parents job.[/QUOTE]
And how is a parent who lacks or is ignorant of the connections and skills the lead to success supposed to teach those things to their child
As that simple point seems to be to hard for you to understand I'll make it simpler for you, if a rich person commits a crime especially a white collar crime, they are far less likely to get caught, for more likely to have it get overlooked, and even if caught they will get a far more lenient sentence.
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I guess poor ppl don't have parents, as that is a parents job.[/QUOTE]
And how is a parent who lacks or is ignorant of the connections and skills the lead to success supposed to teach those things to their child
I don't want government to be responsible for punishing private citizens for exercising their, ignorant as it may be, freedom of thought and expression. I DO want society to affect change. If someone wants to walk the streets spouting racist crap, they can. But they will generally be shunned and excommunicated from rational society by and large. Freedom of speech has its downsides like that. The good parts outweigh the bad.
You misunderstood my statement about personal choice. I was referring to a person's personal choices in their life that lead to accomplishment. Dropping out of high school, having a baby when unwed and unemployed, these choices are made, not forced on someone by racists. I'm saying that a person's fate is determined largely by themselves, and not wholly attributed to their race or economic situation.
So take a timeout and reconsider the real meaning.
You misunderstood my statement about personal choice. I was referring to a person's personal choices in their life that lead to accomplishment. Dropping out of high school, having a baby when unwed and unemployed, these choices are made, not forced on someone by racists. I'm saying that a person's fate is determined largely by themselves, and not wholly attributed to their race or economic situation.
So take a timeout and reconsider the real meaning.
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[quote name='egofed']But they will generally be shunned and excommunicated from rational society by and large.[/QUOTE]
Can you provide a recent example of this happening?
Can you provide a recent example of this happening?
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[quote name='egofed']I don't want government to be responsible for punishing private citizens for exercising their, ignorant as it may be, freedom of thought and expression. I DO want society to affect change. If someone wants to walk the streets spouting racist crap, they can. But they will generally be shunned and excommunicated from rational society by and large. Freedom of speech has its downsides like that. The good parts outweigh the bad.[/QUOTE]
You don't want the govt to do anything about racism? That has to be one of the stupidest and most ignorant things I have ever heard. If that happened it would wipe out the progress we have made and set the dial back to the 1950s.
You don't want the govt to do anything about racism? That has to be one of the stupidest and most ignorant things I have ever heard. If that happened it would wipe out the progress we have made and set the dial back to the 1950s.
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[quote name='dohdough']That's because you're focused on the wrong point, which is why you don't get it.
Lemme put it to you in another way that you'll hopefully get this time: There are 60 posters on this thread with 460+ posts and 9000+ views. Do you think that those 60 posters are solely responsible for 9000 views?[/QUOTE]
Again, you think that matters at all.
Go preach on the street corner man, you'll get more converts.
Lemme put it to you in another way that you'll hopefully get this time: There are 60 posters on this thread with 460+ posts and 9000+ views. Do you think that those 60 posters are solely responsible for 9000 views?[/QUOTE]
Again, you think that matters at all.
Go preach on the street corner man, you'll get more converts.
What?!? You think the government is the only thing holding us back from regressing to the 1950's? You have no faith in humanity. I said the government has no place in private citizen's lives or private business' hiring processes. Public systems should have discriminatory protections in place. Which they do. Actually the protections have turned discriminatory themselves via affirmative action.
Hating a group of people is free thought and speech. Acting against them in a physical way is a crime. Sorry, its what free speech truly means. We gotta accept the good with the bad if we want to enjoy the benefits of free speech.
Hating a group of people is free thought and speech. Acting against them in a physical way is a crime. Sorry, its what free speech truly means. We gotta accept the good with the bad if we want to enjoy the benefits of free speech.
[quote name='confoosious']Again, you think that matters at all.
Go preach on the street corner man, you'll get more converts.[/QUOTE]
You're right. Nothing matters at all and you cant affect any change on any level. Might as well just shut my mouth, stop posting on CAG, and let the racists have their way on vs. like you do. You're my hero.
Go preach on the street corner man, you'll get more converts.[/QUOTE]
You're right. Nothing matters at all and you cant affect any change on any level. Might as well just shut my mouth, stop posting on CAG, and let the racists have their way on vs. like you do. You're my hero.
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[quote name='egofed'] Hating a group of people is free thought and speech. Acting against them in a physical way is a crime. Sorry, its what free speech truly means. We gotta accept the good with the bad if we want to enjoy the benefits of free speech.[/QUOTE]
Look up the fighting words doctrine of 1942. Hating people is not fully protected under free speech even if you do no act in a physical manner.
Look up the fighting words doctrine of 1942. Hating people is not fully protected under free speech even if you do no act in a physical manner.
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[quote name='egofed']What?!? You think the government is the only thing holding us back from regressing to the 1950's? You have no faith in humanity. I said the government has no place in private citizen's lives or private business' hiring processes.[/QUOTE]
Do you consider yourself a supporter of the Constitution?
Do you consider yourself a supporter of the Constitution?
Faith in humanity? Why should we have any in regards to something like race? Having lived all my life in the south I feel comfortable in saying that were it not for the government forcing people to "act right", things in the south would still be very much like they were in the 50s with regard to race. Hell, the mindset itself still exists even today, they just can't act on it because of laws.
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[quote name='Soodmeg']I think you lost dude and should gracefully bow out of this particular point. I know what you are trying to say but if you are going to play the, "not matters at all because its the internet" gamefaqs card you might as well not say anything.
Everyone here clearly understands this CAG isnt the leading political site where Americans come to get their political knowledge. Thats a given. The tactic has been used many times, cant refute claim? Create a strawmen about how nothing on the internet has any importance or that the creator must not have job or girlfriend if he post too much.
Of course if you would like to continue pursing that point then I must ask you...if it really doesnt matter.....why do you even bother to come?[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize there could be a loser in an opinion. That's the problem with you guys who watch too much news, you think everything is a way to shout your way to a victory. So someone has to lose.
I'm not arguing that x% of unemployed on welfare is black or white or that studies have shown that people with strong community support with $x in spending are x% likely or less likely to do x, y, and z. I'm sure DD has all those bookmarked already. If that's the case, then yes, I could be right or wrong depending on the source.
What I am doing is expressing my opinion that if you shout all day every day, then when you actually have something that should be heard, you're drowned out. It's my opinion that DD is analogous to PETA because he just shouts about everything. (He's like the Martin Lawrence character in Boomerang. Yeah, I'm old.)
Why am I here? I'm just here to shoot the shit and waste time/procrastinate. I have no delusions that I'm changing the world about race or politics. Come on now.
And don't ever even mention him in the same paragraph or even page as MLK again. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Everyone here clearly understands this CAG isnt the leading political site where Americans come to get their political knowledge. Thats a given. The tactic has been used many times, cant refute claim? Create a strawmen about how nothing on the internet has any importance or that the creator must not have job or girlfriend if he post too much.
Of course if you would like to continue pursing that point then I must ask you...if it really doesnt matter.....why do you even bother to come?[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize there could be a loser in an opinion. That's the problem with you guys who watch too much news, you think everything is a way to shout your way to a victory. So someone has to lose.
I'm not arguing that x% of unemployed on welfare is black or white or that studies have shown that people with strong community support with $x in spending are x% likely or less likely to do x, y, and z. I'm sure DD has all those bookmarked already. If that's the case, then yes, I could be right or wrong depending on the source.
What I am doing is expressing my opinion that if you shout all day every day, then when you actually have something that should be heard, you're drowned out. It's my opinion that DD is analogous to PETA because he just shouts about everything. (He's like the Martin Lawrence character in Boomerang. Yeah, I'm old.)
Why am I here? I'm just here to shoot the shit and waste time/procrastinate. I have no delusions that I'm changing the world about race or politics. Come on now.
And don't ever even mention him in the same paragraph or even page as MLK again. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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[quote name='confoosious']I didn't realize there could be a loser in an opinion. [/QUOTE]
Losers seldom do.
This isn't favorite ice cream flavors, everyone is not right and you don't get a participation trophy just for playing.
Losers seldom do.
This isn't favorite ice cream flavors, everyone is not right and you don't get a participation trophy just for playing.
[quote name='egofed']I haven't read the whole thread, but can someone quote the racist comments that were written?[/QUOTE]
I can tell you who made them. Slidecage, DOHDOUGH, paco,jooboosauce,DOHDOUGH soodmeg, DOHDOUGH.
slidecage and dohdough from the get go and then dohdough pretty much steamrolled the rest of the thread with his racism.
oh looky guess what other thread turned into racist and who started that up AGAIN.
I can tell you who made them. Slidecage, DOHDOUGH, paco,jooboosauce,DOHDOUGH soodmeg, DOHDOUGH.
slidecage and dohdough from the get go and then dohdough pretty much steamrolled the rest of the thread with his racism.
oh looky guess what other thread turned into racist and who started that up AGAIN.
[quote name='Recycle']I can tell you who made them. Slidecage, DOHDOUGH, paco,jooboosauce,DOHDOUGH soodmeg, DOHDOUGH.
slidecage and dohdough from the get go and then dohdough pretty much steamrolled the rest of the thread with his racism.
oh looky guess what other thread turned into racist and who started that up AGAIN.[/QUOTE]
What about my beliefs are crazy and racist? What are non-racist and non-crazy beliefs on race? What evidence do you have to support your claims and why should we use your framework/definition instead of mine? Be specific.
slidecage and dohdough from the get go and then dohdough pretty much steamrolled the rest of the thread with his racism.
oh looky guess what other thread turned into racist and who started that up AGAIN.[/QUOTE]
What about my beliefs are crazy and racist? What are non-racist and non-crazy beliefs on race? What evidence do you have to support your claims and why should we use your framework/definition instead of mine? Be specific.
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