Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN discussion

I'll probably be seeing it tonight.

I'm hoping it's better than the original which shouldn't be too hard to do. I mean, the original was good...back when it came out, but today not so much. I'm not someone who can watch a movie and trick myself into thinking it's good because it's considered a "classic".
 
pass, i don't need a hulking bruiser for my Myers. He works best silent but deadly with very calculated killings not over the top action zombie style. Leave sleeping shapes lie.
 
Fill me in: What movies has rob zombie directed?? I know he did a little of Grindhouse and didnt he do some other horror movie???....I forget the name, wasnt it another movie with "ghost" or "house" in the name?

Good point about the relase date....maybe October may be a little better...Dooyeeee!
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Fill me in: What movies has rob zombie directed?? I know he did a little of Grindhouse and didnt he do some other horror movie???....I forget the name, wasnt it another movie with "ghost" or "house" in the name?

Good point about the relase date....maybe October may be a little better...Dooyeeee![/QUOTE]

House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects (sequel)
 
I see this as being like The Omen "remake", copy scene by scene from the original. Not a real revisioning.
 
[quote name='CrimGhost']I see this as being like The Omen "remake", copy scene by scene from the original. Not a real revisioning.[/quote]

No, not really as in this case the director actually has an understanding and appreciation for the original. I really do believe that this remake is in solid hands, as were the The Hills Have Eyes remake (numero uno Alexandre Aja) and Dawn of the Dead (Zach Snyder for the win!).
 
[quote name='CrimGhost']I see this as being like The Omen "remake", copy scene by scene from the original. Not a real revisioning.[/quote]

From the sounds of it, it adds a few minutes to the beginning where he kills his parents and only his kid sister is the only one that lives. Nice that they do that, since the original never explained what happened to his parents.

Going to see in a hour, so I'll see if they changed anything.
 
I'm not entirely familiar with the first Halloween, I was always a Freddy guy. Just can't beat the dudes style and sense of humor.

Anyway, I saw this early and from what I can guess this is more about Michael than before. You get to see, in a way, what kind of made him snap. It's not just kill, kill, kill, it's an interesting look at the character (as well as the killing).

I never knew whether I should feel sorry for him, cheer him on, hate him, and what you feel about his character in this changes throughout the movie. He's not as two-dimensional as I thought he would be, which is an interesting take, and definitely worth seeing to me.
 
The original Halloween was absolutely brilliant, from the cinematography to the presentation of violence/death. I am interested to see how this one turns out.
 
I am kinda half n half on this. My main question is why are they releasing it now? Is it because the company wants to profit in on the Labor day weekend or is it they thought it wouldn't stand a change against Saw IV this October. Other than that I am all for it, I loved Zombie's directiing on The Devils Rejects. If he can carry some of the magic over to this film then it should be good and please the people.
 
Still, even if they couldn't compete with Saw IV I still think it would have been more successful with a Halloween time release. Some people will only watch horror movies on/around Halloween and people are more inclined to go see a horror movie around Halloween.
 
Just got back. I'm sad to say that it was alright.

There were a few good Rob Zombie moments, sprinkled in here and there... but clearly not enough.

It was nice as a retelling of the same story, but it reminded me of how perfect the original was.

[quote name='whoknows']Still, even if they couldn't compete with Saw IV I still think it would have been more successful with a Halloween time release. Some people will only watch horror movies on/around Halloween and people are more inclined to go see a horror movie around Halloween.[/QUOTE]
They could release a horror film on a month that doesn't even exist, and it would be number one that weekend.
[quote name='whoknows']I'll probably be seeing it tonight.

I'm hoping it's better than the original which shouldn't be too hard to do. I mean, the original was good...back when it came out, but today not so much. I'm not someone who can watch a movie and trick myself into thinking it's good because it's considered a "classic".[/QUOTE]
Wow.

Bad taste in all regards of entertainment.
 
I want this film to make money so companys will give Zombie some money and freedom to make more films but with the release of Balls of Fury I see most people going for Balls of Fury. I know most my friends will see that rather than Halloween.
 
[quote name='Mac_freak']I want this film to make money so companys will give Zombie some money and freedom to make more films but with the release of Balls of Fury I see most people going for Balls of Fury. I know most my friends will see that rather than Halloween.[/QUOTE]
Ugh...don't bring up that movie. I got tricked into seeing it yesterday and it was AWFUL.


I bet Halloween is a masterpiece compared to Balls of Fury.
 
Zombie slipped into emulating Carpenter, in the last act, and it just didn't work.

The ending was a nice twist, although it should have been developed more.
 
The whole serial killer angle is an interesting concept, and it was developed pretty well... but, I dunno... the original was money in the bank because of how mysterious Myers was, and how he was just a shell of a human being.

Granted, this was a retelling (and I love artist interpretations), but the silent supernatural touches that Carpenter applied to the original was what made Michael Myers a monster.

Also, I had some problems with the drab cinematography. (The original's lighting was absolutely perfect.) If Zombie used the cinematography from the - say - The Devil's Rejects, I would have been more satisfied.

I also didn't like how you could see Myers' eyes in some shots -- that really bothered me.
 
Just got back.

The movie was horrible.

Half of what made Michael an interesting character to me was the lack of a real explaination of what caused him to turn out the way he did. It left it open for you to make your own decisions. For me, I always thought of him as having serious mental health issues that went neglected and/or treated improperly due to a lack of attention/understanding of the subject back in the 70's. To see Zombie portray his outcome as the result of an abusive, trailor trash household was a kick in the nuts to me.
 
Balls of Fury looks ridiculously bad.

It's too bad that the views on this movie are only all right to shitty, as there hasn't been a nice slasher flick in a while.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Balls of Fury looks ridiculously bad.

It's too bad that the views on this movie are only all right to shitty, as there hasn't been a nice slasher flick in a while.[/quote]

Agreed but if I remember Kevin Smith is writing a horror film which I am looking foward to. Also I wouldn't call it a slasher flick but I liked Death Proof from Grindhouse.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects (sequel)[/quote]

Were these any good, I thought I heard they were scary as hell.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']am i the only one who doesnt want to see the first movie remade, especially by Rob Zombie[/quote]

agreed. zombie comes of flike he means well and is really trying to put alot into his version fo the film but i dont think hes gonna pull it off. ive only seen one of his films ( 1000 corpses) and even though it had its moments the film was shit. most horror remakes are shit because you cant recapture what that era had going for it.

you cant recreate the exact smae feeling of terror from the 70's and bring it to 2007. if youre gonna make michael meyers dont do him as the usual lumbering silent beast that never stops switch it up. maybe make the viewers feel sympathetic to him and make loomis seem like the monster ( maybe he did this i dunno and wont know till the film hits cable tv).

i think you have to play to the fears people have nowdays. never knowing whats aroudn the corner. the unexpected fear of someone just flipping otu suddenly and going on a killing spree. or if those around you have secrets and if so could they be plotting against you.


one movie id love to see remade and could be pulled off convincingly in a present day setting is " something wicked this way comes". jouaquin phoenix would make an awesome mr dark and considering how many kids go missing these days and how many people tend to be so depressed and disheartened with their lives all lookign for something else or pining over what could have been that kind of character would do well in a present day setting.
 
[quote name='thespillcanvas']Just got back.

The movie was horrible.

Half of what made Michael an interesting character to me was the lack of a real explaination of what caused him to turn out the way he did. It left it open for you to make your own decisions. For me, I always thought of him as having serious mental health issues that went neglected and/or treated improperly due to a lack of attention/understanding of the subject back in the 70's. To see Zombie portray his outcome as the result of an abusive, trailor trash household was a kick in the nuts to me.
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do you think his turn to violence would have been more dramatic and surprising if michael meyers were from a rich or well to do family that on the outside seemed to be very loving and supporting?
 
[quote name='Brak']The ending was a nice twist, although it should have been developed more.[/quote]
Yeah, it's nice that it didn't end the same way as the original. But pretty much made sure Zombie wouldn't direct another
with him getting shot in the head
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I know they were trying to explain what made him snap. But was I the only one that felt like the build up for him killing the family dragged on until it eventually happened?

Didn't stay for the credits, but is there anything that might hint at a sequel during that?

[quote name='lokizz']maybe make the viewers feel sympathetic to him and make loomis seem like the monster[/quote]
Nothing like that happens. He goes after him after Myers escapes and then dies for "failing him".

Speaking of all that talk about Saw IV, they show a teaser trailer before Halloween.

Oh, and the girl that played Jamie in Halloween 4 & 5 plays Annie in the remake.
 
I've only watched House of 1000 Corpses and that's enough Zombie directing for me. Love his music and videos, but the guy is a piss poor movie director.
 
Zombie just suffers from a short resume and a music video mentality about directing. Still, I couldn't think of anyone better to remake Halloween because he has respect for the source material (and not in an Uwe Boll way) I think the problem is his style is a bit too campy. Even with his music, White Zombie was great but his solo career feels like novelty horror rock. Like comparing My Chemical Romance to The Misfits.
 
I haven't seen Halloween (the new one) yet, but I do want to. House of 1000 Corpses was only ok, but Devils Rejects was a great film. Those of you who are unimpressed with Mr. Zombie really need to go back and watch that film again (and on Blu-Ray if you have the option).
 
[quote name='Bloodbooger']I've only watched House of 1000 Corpses and that's enough Zombie directing for me. Love his music and videos, but the guy is a piss poor movie director.[/quote]

A shame you think that. Devil's Rejects was great.
 
I'll agree with the few, House of 1000 Corpses was horrid, and don't even get me started on Devil's Rejects, even calling that a fucking movie would be a disgrace to the likes of Gigli and Wild Hogs.
 
Saw it, thought it sucked. Next movie Zombie should make is WEREWOLF WOMAN OF THE SS...there's no way that flick could be bad.
 
I saw it today and I have to say I liked it. I didn't expect much due to how his last two movies were. Also I was never a big fan of the Halloween movies. The first one was ok but after that I couldn't really get into them. This one was good I thought. I liked how they used don't fear(the reaper) in the movie. When you see it you should get as to what I'm talking about.
leads up to him killing someone
I also do like how it tells how he got the mask. Wonder if William Shatner knows that its just an inside out white painted mask of him. Atleast when the movie first came out thats what it was. Any way seemed like it might be a little slow at the start but wasn't. Also you get a privew for Saw IV.
 
Just got back from it, and to my surprise, I really enjoyed it. The first half of the movie did a great job of actually developing Micheal's character. I really didn't think I was going to like it, I just went to see some stupid movie violence, but Rob Zombie did a much better job than I thought he would.

I didn't like the second half nearly as much as the first half though.
 
I thought it spent much too much time developing his character. It's Halloween, we know what to expect. The original knocked it down to a few minutes, this one should have too.
 
One kill in particular really made me want to play Manhunt 2.

The one where he stabs the nurse in the neck with a fork and it shows the kill from the security camera.

That was cool.
 
Zombie should be banned from making any more movies, period....the guy just isn't any good at it. Stories? Plots? Who needs em...just give em more shock and gore! :p

House of 1000 Corpses ranks as the worst film I've ever seen, and the only movie where I contemplated walking out of the theatre and gong into another one to see what *else* was on. Its a pathetic hodgepodge of about 2 dozen 70's B-movie horror flicks rolled into one. Nothing but one big steaming pile of fake pointless violence after another. "oh..he's ripping off Chainsaw...oh, he's ripping off Hills have Eyes...oh look, he's ripping off Tourist Trap....Motel Hell...jesus christ Kill me now!". Doctor Satan? Gasmask guy with chainsaw? I'm amazed Rob claims he loves horror movies and winds up making garbage like this.

Devils Rejects: after experience A above, I couldn't bring myself to get anywhere near this one, although I have been told its not as bad. Still, the whole "Freaks wandering around with knives and stuff" is less terrifying to me than having to take a shit in a public toilet.

Halloween: Same difference.......he's just going to take the exact same story (one that, by all acounts, should have stopped after 3) and add about 90lbs of gore to it to "modernize it" and in the process fuck-up a perfectly good classic horror franchise.

Halloween 1 and 2...very good, but enough of "The Shape".
Halloween 3....very good, but obviously has nothng to do with Michael Myers.
Halloween 4, 5, 6...27....ruins franchise by taking away all the cool stuff tha tmade Halloween 1 and 2 so great, not knowing if "The Shape" was even Human.

Nightmare On Elm Street, etc, etc.....
 
Haha, Halloween 3 sucked...but in a good way. I have to try and get that on DVD for my annual October horror movie binge. I might finally break down and get Phantasm with it on Amazon if they have a holiday sale.
 
Question, for anyone who has seen it (I saw it)

Did Dr. Loomis die? Seriously, looked like he did. Just making sure. If so, worst fucking plot twist ever. Not in the original, shouldn't have been in this one. It's bad enough Donald Pleasence isn't in it and now he does this? Terrible.

In reality, they should have killed Halloween after the second one, because that's where it died for me. Pleasence and Michael Myers died in that fire, but the all mighty dollar changes anything.

Bleh.
 
I've been thinking about this movie all afternoon, and I just don't like it.

It started off pretty solid, and then it just slipped into a soulless Carpenter imitation.
[quote name='Calamityuponthee']Question, for anyone who has seen it (I saw it)

Did Dr. Loomis die? Seriously, looked like he did. Just making sure. If so, worst fucking plot twist ever. Not in the original, shouldn't have been in this one. It's bad enough Donald Pleasence isn't in it and now he does this? Terrible.

In reality, they should have killed Halloween after the second one, because that's where it died for me. Pleasence and Michael Myers died in that fire, but the all mighty dollar changes anything.

Bleh.
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In reality, they should have killed the Michael Myers story-arc after the first one, as it was intended.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Haha, Halloween 3 sucked...but in a good way. I have to try and get that on DVD for my annual October horror movie binge. I might finally break down and get Phantasm with it on Amazon if they have a holiday sale.[/quote]


dude phantasm was fuckin awesome. its one of the best and most underrated horror series to date. part 1 and 2 are the best. 3 is ok but skip the rest. the tall man is one of the best horror villans ever said very little but had this freaky ass presence. hes one of the few horror villans that even in the daytime youd be afraid to be around him. but yeah they killed the story.
 
[quote name='Brak']In reality, they should have killed the Michael Myers story-arc after the first one, as it was intended.[/QUOTE]

Nah, the second movie was pretty cool. My favorite of the series. I loved the hospital scenes, and they brought up the kill count.

The first is good, but a little slow. Mike took his sweet ass time killing those kids.
 
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