RPG Thread IX is a steaming pile of pointless monologue. Just Youtube the ending!

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It's a pretty small dev studio, yeah? They probably just don't have the resources to do an actual port to PS3. Whereas porting from PC to 360 is just a matter of scaling down the art assets.
 
[quote name='Ryuukishi']It's a pretty small dev studio, yeah? They probably just don't have the resources to do an actual port to PS3. Whereas porting from PC to 360 is just a matter of scaling down the art assets.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I can't exactly blame them if that's the case.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Yeah, I'm a bit surprised they aren't releasing it on both consoles. It's too bad for PS3-only owners. As an owner of both consoles, I'm glad I can at least play it now though. I wonder how many discs it might take up...[/QUOTE]


The PC version is 16GB. I could see them doing one disk per chapter, giving you three in total if you put the prologue on disk 1 and the epilogue on disk 3.
 
Played some Sacred II co-op with Hell Monkey last night.. I forgot how completely forgettable the story of that game is. I played almost 40 hours of it last time and I still couldn't give you even an inkling of what it's about. Something about angels and blue slime?

That said, there's nothing else quite so Diablo-like on home consoles (except Torchlight, which doesn't have co-op) so there's definitely some fun to be had in it.
 
It was fun overall. Still I felt like it was "Prostitutes on adventure!" I swear the better equipment my Seraphim got the more she looked like the next quest would be to service the bandits on the corner of the Cow Farm for 2 gold.
 
[quote name='Hell Monkey']Haven't tried it either. Mana Knight said it was hard though. (beyond that no other input on it)[/QUOTE]

Guess I'll try it out.
 
The demo is very difficult. I ran around for a bit trying to get levels. It took about two minutes of wandering to get the first enemy encounter, which was two bats that ran away. The next encounter was four bats, three kobolds, and something else. They beat the tar out of my human warrior. >_
 
I didn't know wtf I was doing, but I tried the Wizardry demo and thought it was balls. I had 3 warriors, a healer, and a mage and the mage only had 2 spells and IDK how to restock them, so he was useless 2 friggin rounds in. First mob I fought was about 10 creatures of 3 types, and it was just slow and boring. Nice 2D art style but the 3D dungeon graphics were awful.
 
[quote name='bvharris']It's a magical world of inverse armor protection. My Level 40 Seraphim with great armor stats is wearing practically nothing.[/QUOTE]
sounds like a great game.

where do i sign up.
 
[quote name='62t']Sega just announced their E3 lineup. No Valkyria Chronicles 3 or Yakuza the end[/QUOTE]
Yakuza Of The End I wouldn't give up on. The Japanese release was delayed for a few months and maybe this impacted the schedule for the NA version? I'll admit it's unlikely, though.
 
Things are also not looking good at Square Enix's E3 list. So far FFXIII-2 is the only JRPG on the list. I am hoping Rocket Slim 3DS and Dragon Quest Monster Joker 2 can get a US release.
 
[quote name='62t']Things are also not looking good at Square Enix's E3 list. So far FFXIII-2 is the only JRPG on the list. I am hoping Rocket Slim 3DS and Dragon Quest Monster Joker 2 can get a US release.[/QUOTE]
You might be in luck for Joker 2.

It's probably too early for a Rocket Slime announcement. The Japanese release isn't even soon, is it?
 
So I don't really understand all the hate geared towards Lufia Curse of the Sinistrels. Ended up opening up my copy and popping into my 3DS, and it's pretty damn awesome. I'm sure a big reason why I'm liking it is because I have no issue with ARPG's, and I also never played the first one so I don't have anything to compare it to. Maxim is a bad ass, end of story.
 
[quote name='Cheska19']So I don't really understand all the hate geared towards Lufia Curse of the Sinistrels. Ended up opening up my copy and popping into my 3DS, and it's pretty damn awesome. I'm sure a big reason why I'm liking it is because I have no issue with ARPG's, and I also never played the first one so I don't have anything to compare it to. Maxim is a bad ass, end of story.[/QUOTE]

Because many people considered Lufia 2 to be one of the best RPG on SNES, and this game changes a lot of things. I guess if this is a new game with new characters they won't have a problem.
 
[quote name='Cheska19']So I don't really understand all the hate geared towards Lufia Curse of the Sinistrels. Ended up opening up my copy and popping into my 3DS, and it's pretty damn awesome. I'm sure a big reason why I'm liking it is because I have no issue with ARPG's, and I also never played the first one so I don't have anything to compare it to. Maxim is a bad ass, end of story.[/QUOTE]

It is an insult to the original. The story is dumbed down, levels and enemies are repetitive, the characters aren't developed well, and the gameplay is dull. They made it into a poor action RPG (and once you fight Gades you will see some of the major issues with it), that doesn't even compare to other modern games of the genre.
 
[quote name='Cheska19']So I don't really understand all the hate geared towards Lufia Curse of the Sinistrels. Ended up opening up my copy and popping into my 3DS, and it's pretty damn awesome. I'm sure a big reason why I'm liking it is because I have no issue with ARPG's, and I also never played the first one so I don't have anything to compare it to. Maxim is a bad ass, end of story.[/QUOTE]

It's definitely because you never played the first one. I've only played a few minutes of the DS version, but that was more than enough. What I've never understood is that it certainly had to be more work for them to turn it into an ARPG than just update the visuals and keep the game as is, and yet they did more work to make an inferior game. Seems pretty counter-intuitive.
 
[quote name='62t']Sega just announced their E3 lineup. No Valkyria Chronicles 3 or Yakuza the end[/QUOTE]

Damn I was really excited for VC3. Suppose I'll just have to hope for a fan translation :cry:
 
[quote name='Cheska19']So I don't really understand all the hate geared towards Lufia Curse of the Sinistrels. Ended up opening up my copy and popping into my 3DS, and it's pretty damn awesome. I'm sure a big reason why I'm liking it is because I have no issue with ARPG's, and I also never played the first one so I don't have anything to compare it to. Maxim is a bad ass, end of story.[/QUOTE]

Same reason FF7 fans hate on FF8, things were changed. Personally I prefer the snes version but that's only because I heavily favor strategy and turn based RPGs over action. I really loved the environments and graphics in the DS version.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Same reason FF7 fans hate on FF8, things were changed.[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty simplistic way to look at it. Not all gamers are inherently like "ARGH! Change = BAD!!!"

You could basically say that about any sequel or remake. "People only dislike it because they changed things!" Yeah, that's true sometimes. Other times things actually do suck.
 
[quote name='bvharris']That's a pretty simplistic way to look at it. Not all gamers are inherently like "ARGH! Change = BAD!!!"

You could basically say that about any sequel or remake. "People only dislike it because they changed things!" Yeah, that's true sometimes. Other times things actually do suck.[/QUOTE]


[quote name='bvharris']It's definitely because you never played the first one.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Hell Monkey']It is an insult to the original. [/QUOTE]

[quote name='62t']Because many people considered Lufia 2 to be one of the best RPG on SNES, and this game changes a lot of things.[/QUOTE]

Merely trying pointing out that everyone's first criticism here and pretty much everywhere else involve how much it sucks as a remake not how bad it is as a game. Perhaps I should choose a better example, how about certain Fallout 1,2 fans hate of FO3?
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Merely trying pointing out that everyone's first criticism here and pretty much everywhere else involve how much it sucks as a remake not how bad it is as a game. Perhaps I should choose a better example, how about certain Fallout 1,2 fans hate of FO3?[/QUOTE]

I think most people were willing to give it a chance even after hearing how much they changed, but I also don't think all the negative reactions towards it were solely based on that.

That said, if you remake a game than you are inviting comparisons to the original, that's the nature of a remake. It's kind of silly to say "hey, we're remaking a game!" and then ask people to judge it on its own merits and not compare it to the original.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I think most people were willing to give it a chance even after hearing how much they changed, but I also don't think all the negative reactions towards it were solely based on that.

That said, if you remake a game than you are inviting comparisons to the original, that's the nature of a remake. It's kind of silly to say "hey, we're remaking a game!" and then ask people to judge it on its own merits and not compare it to the original.[/QUOTE]

Except that a lot of people never played the original and in that case if you like ARPG it's a pretty good game, certainly an improvement over Phantasy Star 0 and Rune Factory.

Comparing a remake to the original that only a fraction of gamers have actually played and using that as the primary basis for judgement seems a bit unfair to those discovering it for the first time.
 
That kind of ignores the fact that people who remake a game are very much hoping to get the business of those who love the original, doesn't it?

Whether you agree with the criticism of the game or not, it's ridiculous to suggest that people shouldn't make the natural comparison between a remake and the original.

That's not to say others aren't allowed to play it and enjoy it, nobody ever suggested that. But people who loved the original are entitled to their opinions too.
 
[quote name='bvharris']That kind of ignores the fact that people who remake a game are very much hoping to get the business of those who love the original, doesn't it?

Whether you agree with the criticism of the game or not, it's ridiculous to suggest that people shouldn't make the natural comparison between a remake and the original.

That's not to say others aren't allowed to play it and enjoy it, nobody ever suggested that. But people who loved the original are entitled to their opinions too.[/QUOTE]

They are, however it's very unfortunate when people don't play quality games because a large number of people are calling it trash based on expectations they themselves do not have.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Same reason FF7 fans hate on FF8, things were changed.[/QUOTE]

Huh? No, it's because the drawing system caused you to not want to use magic, so you don't lose stats. And the annoying characters, cause every single one is a kid. It'd be like if every character in FF7 was Yuffie. I'd like FF7 a lot less. And the story... was mediocre at best. Especially since, you know, not a single one of them had a GF at the beginning of the game in FF8, but somehow, had all the side-effects of having used GFs for a long time. And there was only Ultima Weapon, and no Ruby etc.

Played Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls demo. Tempted to buy it, just to support XSEED for bringing it over. It's not anywhere near as hard as people in this thread were making it seem.

If you want to read, here's some general pointers, mostly for people who don't know anything about D&D.

- Make a party. Don't make your starting character and walk in the dungeon alone. You will die. Go to the guild, and make some more.
- If you have an evil alignment person in your party, you can't use a good alignment one as well. This means the default thief and priest can't be in the party together at the same time. Just make your own with the right alignment.
- Buy a map of the first two floors (same item). You don't start with one.
- Ditch those daggers ASAP. I haven't bothered buying armor by the end of the demo, and got through fine. The daggers though, will do like 1-2 dmg vs 20+ if you use a short sword.
- Don't waste money on the inn. Every time you rest in the stable, your spell counter resets. So just use your priest/bishop to heal, then rest your priest/bishop in the stables to refill your spells.
- There's basically one boss (thus one square) in the trial dungeon that you can't beat with your party at level 5, which is the cap of the demo. You'll know when you're near it. Your party will get one-shotted.
- It's just like D&D. You get so many casts per day of level 1 spells, level 2 spells, etc. Resting in the stable resets this. If you're complaining about running out of spells, that's just how D&D is.
- Don't appraise in the dungeon. Well, you can, but you might lose utility of the bishop to fear, until it wears off.


Party-specific pointers:
- Get at least 3 front-lines. I had 2 fighters and 1 samurai on the front. Fourth spot shouldn't be your healer, because if one person on your front line is put to sleep, or dies, the fourth spot gets bumped to the front. I personally used a thief here, who also does the disarms and lock picks.
- Bishops. Use them. They can appraise for free, get healing and offensive spells. If I started over, I'd probably get 2 bishops and no priest or mage.
- Priests have healing earlier than bishops. Probably the only reason to use them. They're pretty worthless otherwise so far. At least bishops have good attack spells too.

Impression: It's a little tedious. Not really that hard, though you don't feel like you make much progress when you can't afford any gear for a loooooong time. Just hope you get lucky and find some.
 
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[quote name='elessar123']Huh? No, it's because the drawing system caused you to not want to use magic, so you don't lose stats. And the annoying characters, cause every single one is a kid. It'd be like if every character in FF7 was Yuffie. I'd like FF7 a lot less. And the story... was mediocre at best. Especially since, you know, not a single one of them had a GF at the beginning of the game in FF8, but somehow, had all the side-effects of having used GFs for a long time. And there was only Ultima Weapon, and no Ruby etc.[/QUOTE]

I think you just proved my point, FF8 sucks because.... you believe FF7 was soooo much better. Had you not played FF7, FF8 might have been a fine game.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']I think you just proved my point, FF8 sucks because.... you believe FF7 was soooo much better. Had you not played FF7, FF8 might have been a fine game.[/QUOTE]

Not really, because I actually played 8 first, but that's beside the point. The first FF games I played were FF4, FF6, Mystic Quest, and then FF8. Then FF7, FF5, FF1-FF3. Then FFX, FFXI, FFXII. Didn't play IX, X-2, XIII, XIV.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Not really, because I actually played 8 first, but that's beside the point.[/QUOTE]

Well perhaps some criticisms that aren't directly related to FF7 would be good.

Saying a game sucks because it lacks the extra bosses of FF7 and comparing the characters to a character from FF7 isn't exactly a good start.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Well perhaps some criticisms that aren't directly related to FF7 would be good.

Saying a game sucks because it lacks the extra bosses of FF7 and comparing the characters to a character from FF7 isn't exactly a good start.[/QUOTE]

I gave other reasons than that, but ok, Mr. Fanboi. And why aren't those good reasons? If you don't like the characters or the story in an RPG, wtf else is there?
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Well perhaps some criticisms that aren't directly related to FF7 would be good.
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These weren't good enough for you?

[quote name='elessar123']Huh? No, it's because the drawing system caused you to not want to use magic, so you don't lose stats. [/QUOTE]


[quote name='elessar123']And the story... was mediocre at best. Especially since, you know, not a single one of them had a GF at the beginning of the game in FF8, but somehow, had all the side-effects of having used GFs for a long time..[/QUOTE]


I don't really mind FFVIII. I don't like it as much as VII or IX, but I don't rank any of them in the top 3 or 4 of the series overall. It's obvious you like it, and it's also obvious you're not particularly interested in having any sort of discussion about it. Other people are entitled to their own opinions, I'm hoping that's not lost on you.
 
[quote name='elessar123']I gave other reasons than that, but ok, Mr. Fanboi. And why aren't those good reasons? If you don't like the characters or the story in an RPG, wtf else is there?[/QUOTE]

You knocked on the magic system then proceeded to compare it to FF7, which is exactly what most people who hate FF8 do never mind there are another 12 FF games it can be compared with.
 
[quote name='bvharris']These weren't good enough for you?

I don't really mind FFVIII. I don't like it as much as VII or IX, but I don't rank any of them in the top 3 or 4 of the series overall. It's obvious you like it, and it's also obvious you're not particularly interested in having any sort of discussion about it. Other people are entitled to their own opinions, I'm hoping that's not lost on you.[/QUOTE]

Clearly my point has been lost on you.

People trash FF8 because they loved FF7.

People trash Crono Cross because they loved Chrono Trigger.

People trash Fallout 3 because they loved FO1,2

And you all are trashing Lufia Curse of the Sinestrals because you loved Lufia 2.

And because of this there are other people see all this criticism and hate and pass on good games and THAT is a shame.
 
Even if you didn't play FF7,it doesn't make 8 a less shitty game than it is.Drawing is boring as hell.Other than using magic for the junction system and healing,magic was useless in battles.You could get by just spamming your GF's.The characters are so shitty,and the story along with the writing is so shoddy.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']You knocked on the magic system then proceeded to compare it to FF7, which is exactly what most people who hate FF8 do never mind there are another 12 FF games it can be compared with.[/QUOTE]

Is it actually possible that you're incapable of distinguishing between someone making separate points about the same game in one post?

He knocked on the magic system of FFVIII. He then knocked on the characters and compared those to FFVII. Next, he said he disliked the story. After that, he discussed the optional bosses and compared those to the optional bosses in FFVII. All of these were entirely different thoughts, you can tell because he put them in different sentences.. It's stunning than you can't understand that, but I guess it is what it is. Maybe he should have used bullet points?

[quote name='zionoverfire']Clearly my point has been lost on you.
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After reading your posts today, I can say with a pretty high degree of confidence that you're not capable of forming a point which would be lost on anyone, sorry to say.

I understood your point perfectly, it just so happened that your point was wrong.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Same reason FF7 fans hate on FF8, things were changed. Personally I prefer the snes version but that's only because I heavily favor strategy and turn based RPGs over action. I really loved the environments and graphics in the DS version.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='zionoverfire']You knocked on the magic system then proceeded to compare it to FF7, which is exactly what most people who hate FF8 do never mind there are another 12 FF games it can be compared with.[/QUOTE]

I knocked it because you're the one that mentioned the two games together, not me. Man, you're really asshurt when people don't share your love for FF8.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Clearly my point has been lost on you.

People trash FF8 because they loved FF7.

People trash Crono Cross because they loved Chrono Trigger.

People trash Fallout 3 because they loved FO1,2

And you all are trashing Lufia Curse of the Sinestrals because you loved Lufia 2.

And because of this there are other people see all this criticism and hate and pass on good games and THAT is a shame.[/QUOTE]

Um, yea? Because the games are related. Should I compare FF8 to Medal of Honor next time? Would that, in some crazy universe, somehow make you happy?

FF8 sucks, because Tales of Vesperia is awesome.

Crono Cross sucks because Demon's Souls is awesome.

Fallout 3 sucks because... wait, who's knocking on FO3?

Lufia: Curse of the Sinistrals sucks, because it just does.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Um, yea? Because the games are related. Should I compare FF8 to Medal of Honor next time? Would that, in some crazy universe, somehow make you happy?

FF8 sucks, because Tales of Vesperia is awesome.

Crono Cross sucks because Demon's Souls is awesome.

Fallout 3 sucks because... wait, who's knocking on FO3?

Lufia: Curse of the Sinistrals sucks, because it just does.[/QUOTE]

Hyperdimension Neptunia really did not measure up to Secret of Mana.
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FFVIII had problems, still a good game in its own right, but compared to other big name FFs it's probably near the bottom.

Squall/Rinoa were great until the narrative and dialogue went off the deep end at the end of the 2nd disc. Combat wasn't very memorable, but none of the PS1 FFs shined much in that regard. People just like running around and grinding up ridiculously powerful characters.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']FFVIII had problems, still a good game in its own right, but compared to other big name FFs it's probably near the bottom.

Squall/Rinoa were great until the narrative and dialogue went off the deep end at the end of the 2nd disc. Combat wasn't very memorable, but none of the PS1 FFs shined much in that regard. People just like running around and grinding up ridiculously powerful characters.[/QUOTE]

Its definitely not as bad as FFX-2.Just knew that game was going to be bad when watching the intro to it.Really made me question what the hell I was playing.Also I think FFIX did a good job with its combat compared to the others on the PS1 for its old school feel.
 
I find that the PS1 games are especially good if you resist the urge to level up. It forces you to use tactics and think a little bit more about everything.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I find that the PS1 games are especially good if you resist the urge to level up. It forces you to use tactics and think a little bit more about everything.[/QUOTE]

Something like Vagrant Story.Wasn't a big fan of the game for how overly complex the weapon making system was,but it had a great battle system.
 
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