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[quote name='ChibiJosh']I think Phantom Brave was the best SPRG NIS ever made.[/QUOTE]

I think it's the best SRPG made by anyone. Between the confine system, equipment, character classes, titles, skill transfer and fusion, I can't think of another game that gives you as many tactical and strategic options.
 
[quote name='dr_illingsworth']I think it's the best SRPG made by anyone. Between the confine system, equipment, character classes, titles, skill transfer and fusion, I can't think of another game that gives you as many tactical and strategic options.[/QUOTE]

All NIS games are overburdened with these options. I enjoyed phantom brave the most out of all of them. Maybe it was the characters? The ease of leveling (once you used 'failure' dungeons). Don't know.
 
omg blueshin!!

The nuissance at fangamer was restocked like 2 days ago!!

most are sold out but there still may be sum variants left!!

this is what happens when u don't follow these things on the twitter :(
 
i didn't like tactics ogre

every time i try to play it i just get annoyed at the whole system
i mean, you even gotta have practice sessions just to level up

and levels make a huge difference, moreso than actual tactics.
 
I'm about 35 hours into Dragon Quest IX and I'm not really enjoying it. I really like creating the characters, but they have no substance to theme and the story is pretty bad. I'm gonna finish the game anyways, though.
 
[quote name='GhostShark']I'm about 35 hours into Dragon Quest IX and I'm not really enjoying it. I really like creating the characters, but they have no substance to theme and the story is pretty bad. I'm gonna finish the game anyways, though.[/QUOTE]
i like some of the stories, like the lleviathan story and the doll story. i even like the wight knight one.

but some of them are just too quick. i finished swinedimples and that was kinda dumb. same with the alltrades abbey one.

heh.
swinedimples.
i love the puns!
 
[quote name='JEKKI']omg blueshin!!

The nuissance at fangamer was restocked like 2 days ago!!

most are sold out but there still may be sum variants left!!

this is what happens when u don't follow these things on the twitter :([/QUOTE]
They're all sold out now; apparently they went pretty fast, too :whistle2:( Thanks, though.
 
Borrowing friend's DS, so I started Dragon Quest IX!

I'm about three hours in so far, and I've got about 12 skill points lying around on the Hero...swords, probably?
 
Trying to play Fable 2. I'm about 5 hours in but I'm just not feeling it. I'll play for a few more hours to see if I get hooked. I really want to play something deep and engrossing.

I did find a cheap copy of Valkyria Chronicles. I played about 25 hours on a friends PS3 so I have to start from scratch with mine. Oh well, it's an amazing game so I don't mind too much.
 
[quote name='ForeStorm']Borrowing friend's DS, so I started Dragon Quest IX!

I'm about three hours in so far, and I've got about 12 skill points lying around on the Hero...swords, probably?[/QUOTE]

It's a JRPG, can't go wrong with swords. There's a good mix of high-end equipment and good skills for it. I can't say for sure it's the best weapon in the game, but it's certainly a good one.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']Trying to play Fable 2. I'm about 5 hours in but I'm just not feeling it. I'll play for a few more hours to see if I get hooked. I really want to play something deep and engrossing.

[/QUOTE]

Do you even like WRPGs? You didn't like DA, you are not liking Fable... I'm going to put a poopy diaper in your back seat! Did you like Fallout?
 
[quote name='bvharris']It's a JRPG, can't go wrong with swords. There's a good mix of high-end equipment and good skills for it. I can't say for sure it's the best weapon in the game, but it's certainly a good one.[/QUOTE]
The fans are surprisingly badass, at least when equipped on a martial artist. Wouldn't know about the skill set, though. Lately, I've been spending most of my skill points on job-specific abilities, not so much the weapon/shield-specific ones.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']Trying to play Fable 2. I'm about 5 hours in but I'm just not feeling it. I'll play for a few more hours to see if I get hooked. I really want to play something deep and engrossing.

I did find a cheap copy of Valkyria Chronicles. I played about 25 hours on a friends PS3 so I have to start from scratch with mine. Oh well, it's an amazing game so I don't mind too much.[/QUOTE]

VC is deep and engrossing? Or are you still on the search?
 
[quote name='LostRoad']Do you even like WRPGs? You didn't like DA, you are not liking Fable... I'm going to put a poopy diaper in your back seat! Did you like Fallout?[/QUOTE]

Not really, but I at least give them a shot. I love Mass Effect. Infact it's probably one of my favorite games ever. So I figure there's hope for me with the genre, so I keep trying. I didn't like Fallout either. I'm not really sure what I like about Mass Effect so much.

[quote name='panzerfaust']VC is deep and engrossing? Or are you still on the search?[/QUOTE]

Still on the search. VC is great but I don't see myself playing it for more than an hour or two at a time. I want a game that will glue me to my seat and make me stay up till 5AM playing all night. Maybe it's time to look at the PS2 for possible candidates.
 
Perhaps the Sci-fi aspect of it? I can't even think of something this gen that you haven't already played, go though tales again, or people seem to really enjoy red dead. *shrugs*
 
[quote name='LostRoad']Perhaps the Sci-fi aspect of it? I can't even think of something this gen that you haven't already played, go though tales again, or people seem to really enjoy red dead. *shrugs*[/QUOTE]

I do need to finish Abyss, but I don't like it as much as Vesperia. I already beat Red Dead. I liked it.
 
Vesperia is better, but I really liked Abyss as well.. I think we have had this convo before. Didn't Red dead just come out? Your beasting.
 
About to start a Xenosaga run through. I figured since I finally picked up all the games, I should run through all three in a row. Should I do Xenogears once I finish those three or before?
 
[quote name='momouchi']About to start a Xenosaga run through. I figured since I finally picked up all the games, I should run through all three in a row. Should I do Xenogears once I finish those three or before?[/QUOTE]

Before if you can manage it. They're not really related in any meaningful way, though.
 
[quote name='momouchi']About to start a Xenosaga run through. I figured since I finally picked up all the games, I should run through all three in a row. Should I do Xenogears once I finish those three or before?[/QUOTE]
Definitely before.
 
[quote name='momouchi']About to start a Xenosaga run through. I figured since I finally picked up all the games, I should run through all three in a row. Should I do Xenogears once I finish those three or before?[/QUOTE]

You'll play Xenosaga for a long time and most of it will be sitting through cutscenes. It's still a really fun game though.

As for WRPGs, I tend to love most of them. Fable I and II were probably the worst ones I've played and even then there were still gorgeous and mildly entertaining to play. I didn't play Fallout 3 because of time restrictions, but I will be getting New Vegas on day one.
 
I started playing Xenosaga several months ago with aspirations of completing the entire series. I'm about 75% through the first one. I really need to just finish all these games.
 
I will say that, at least in my experience, the first xenosaga took the longest. At least the others seemed to move along more rapidly
 
Rough estimates of what I have in my backlog:

Tales of the Abyss - 75% completed
Xenosaga - 75% completed
Wild Arms 4 - 25% completed
Radiata Stories - 0%

I know most everyone will say finish Abyss. Most likely I'll do that.
 
[quote name='LostRoad']Do you even like WRPGs? You didn't like DA, you are not liking Fable... I'm going to put a poopy diaper in your back seat! Did you like Fallout?[/QUOTE]

To be fair, Fable II is just a bad game, plain and simple. It's full of good ideas, but there is almost nothing that it actually executed well.
 
[quote name='bvharris']It's a JRPG, can't go wrong with swords. There's a good mix of high-end equipment and good skills for it. I can't say for sure it's the best weapon in the game, but it's certainly a good one.[/QUOTE]
i actually don't like swords. i maxed it out at 100, so i got gigaslash.

falcon slash is decent. i'm sure the falcon blade is decent too but i don't have it yet. metal slash is alright.

with minstrel i only get 3 gigaslashes @ lvl 30.

however most of the time i just use my hero to egg on the spear user, who psyches up to 100, then does multithrust. 2 of those have taken down most bosses.
 
[quote name='GhostShark'] I didn't play Fallout 3 because of time restrictions, but I will be getting New Vegas on day one.[/QUOTE]
It's not like they stopped making Fallout 3 and burned all existing copies, you can still play it. And you should.

[quote name='Rodimus']Rough estimates of what I have in my backlog:

Tales of the Abyss - 75% completed
Xenosaga - 75% completed
Wild Arms 4 - 25% completed
Radiata Stories - 0%

I know most everyone will say finish Abyss. Most likely I'll do that.[/QUOTE]
Wild ARMs 4!
 
I guess I could list my RPG backlogs from memory:

Dragon Quest IX: 55-60%
Dragon Quest VIII: 1%
Dragon Quest IV: 30%
Final Fantasy X: 30%?
Final Fantasy VI: 45%
Final Fantasy IV: 15%
Fallout 3: 50% of main quest?
Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days: 20-25%
Demon's Souls: Uh...30%?

Such a mighty backlog of RPG's that I can never hope to fully conquer.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']To be fair, Fable II is just a bad game, plain and simple. It's full of good ideas, but there is almost nothing that it actually executed well.[/QUOTE]

I would disagree but each their own. I found it to be a lot more refreshing than the copy and paste jrpg we have been getting for years now. Though I have was/am a big Fable 1 fan, and my old love affair with jrpgs is surly dieing off.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']It's not like they stopped making Fallout 3 and burned all existing copies, you can still play it. And you should.
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I know that. I've just got a whole backlog of games to play and I doubt I'll find time anytime soon to play it and thoroughly enjoy it.
 
Quick question on DQIX, is it a good idea to have the Martial Artist weaponless? I know in one game with a MA "vocation" they leveled up their fist power by beating a certain amount of enemies, is it like that here?
 
[quote name='HaLLuZiNaTiOnZ']Quick question on DQIX, is it a good idea to have the Martial Artist weaponless? I know in one game with a MA "vocation" they leveled up their fist power by beating a certain amount of enemies, is it like that here?[/QUOTE]

No, that's not the case here, it's leveled up the same as the rest of the weapon skills I believe.

I haven't used fisticuffs though, so I can't speak to its relative merits in general.
 
[quote name='bvharris']No, that's not the case here, it's leveled up the same as the rest of the weapon skills I believe.

I haven't used fisticuffs though, so I can't speak to its relative merits in general.[/QUOTE]

Bah, I'll just use weapons then, thanks.
 
MY DQ9 Martial Artist has been using fans, which has worked pretty well for me. I put most of my skill points into the MA class skill and not into weapons anyway. The hardest part of the game by far is deciding where to use skill points, especially if you stay away from guides and FAQs about them.
 
however most of the time i just use my hero to egg on the spear user, who psyches up to 100, then does multithrust. 2 of those have taken down most bosses. __________________
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I thought with multithrust that the tension boost/Oomph only took effect on the first hit? I know it did in VIII.

I've never used fans. Maybe they're worth looking into. I'm not too big on staves/poles.
 
My MA user has been doing more damage with has fan than my Hero with a Sword. The sword has more attack, and the Hero has some more points in the sword skill than the MA user has in the fan skill, and there's a level or two of difference. I think the MA hits so hard because of his higher strength skill.
 
[quote name='Backlash']MY DQ9 Martial Artist has been using fans, which has worked pretty well for me. I put most of my skill points into the MA class skill and not into weapons anyway. The hardest part of the game by far is deciding where to use skill points, especially if you stay away from guides and FAQs about them.[/QUOTE]
I've been sticking with class skills, since they're still useable if you switch classes and are no longer able to use a certain weapon type.
 
So I've been playing FF XIII since I got it with the Reward Zone deal last week.

Good god, is it one boring game! Move forward, hit "A" to get past a fight, watch cutscene. And repeat. No strategy to the fights. No difficulty to the enemies, even the bosses so far. Paradigm shifts? I don't see the big advantage to how revolutionary this gameplay advance supposedly is.

Now, I'm only on Chapter 4, mind you, and I know that in Chapter 10 it supposedly opens up, but I honestly don't know if I'll make it that far. The story is pretty good, but Vanille and Hope make me want to take a .38 special to my TV screen whenever they're on. Hope because he's so emo and a pussy, and Vanille because she's so stupid, and squeals too much. And runs like an girl, all exaggerated and arms flailing, you know what I mean.

My fear is I'll sink 40 hours in and get to Chapter 10 or 11 and still be disappointed.

I do like the story though. And the graphics...oooh, pret-ty!....

I also read it's the best-selling Final Fantasy, so I'm depressed on top of it all, because it probably means more dumbed-down FF games in the future.

So does it get appreciably better in Chapter 10, or will the bad taste in my mouth have destroyed any chance I would've had of enjoying this game?
 
[quote name='keithp']So does it get appreciably better in Chapter 10, or will the bad taste in my mouth have destroyed any chance I would've had of enjoying this game?[/QUOTE]

First let me say I very much disliked FFXIII. I was in the same boat as you. Even though I wasn't enjoying myself all that much I decided to stick with it till Chapter 10. The story and characters were tolerable and everyone kept saying Chapter 10 rocks. Besides I spent $50 on this and wanted to justify my purchase. Unfortunately it didn't get better.

Chapter 10 opens up but only to what I can describe as a vast dungeon with side quests. It's not all that great. It adds replay value for the people who actually liked this game. For me I wish they would've kept Chap. 10 linear and short just so I could finish it and be done.

Battles do get harder but not in a "fun" way. Difficult battles weigh more on frustrating rather than challenging. It all comes down to changing Paradigms every 5-10 seconds and recognizing which ones to change into. It's shallow and gets boring quick. Not sure if this is normal but I died quite often. They let you continue right before the fight but I lost my patience with Paradigm management every 10 - 15 minutes.

If you think it's awful now, you'll likely find it dreadful by Chapter 10. I recommend to stop playing, or if you're still not sure play a few more chapters and see if things get better. I know several people here enjoyed FFXIII but I'm going to guess and say they liked it from start to finish.
 
[quote name='Rodimus'] I was in the same boat as you.... Unfortunately it didn't get better.
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Damn, that's what I'm afraid of. Thanks for the honest reply, Rodimus.

I guess I'd like to know then, is there anyone that didn't like it where I am, but finished it and ended up liking it?
 
Final Fantasy XIII was one of the funnest(new battle system) and most frustrating(new battle system) games I've ever played.

Game wasn't bad, I just think people were butt hurt that they had to think the whole time they played the game(or else an enemy you fought an hour into the game would kill your entire end game party).
 
[quote name='keithp']So I've been playing FF XIII since I got it with the Reward Zone deal last week.

Good god, is it one boring game! Move forward, hit "A" to get past a fight, watch cutscene. And repeat. No strategy to the fights. No difficulty to the enemies, even the bosses so far. Paradigm shifts? I don't see the big advantage to how revolutionary this gameplay advance supposedly is.

Now, I'm only on Chapter 4, mind you, and I know that in Chapter 10 it supposedly opens up, but I honestly don't know if I'll make it that far. The story is pretty good, but Vanille and Hope make me want to take a .38 special to my TV screen whenever they're on. Hope because he's so emo and a pussy, and Vanille because she's so stupid, and squeals too much. And runs like an girl, all exaggerated and arms flailing, you know what I mean.

My fear is I'll sink 40 hours in and get to Chapter 10 or 11 and still be disappointed.

I do like the story though. And the graphics...oooh, pret-ty!....

I also read it's the best-selling Final Fantasy, so I'm depressed on top of it all, because it probably means more dumbed-down FF games in the future.

So does it get appreciably better in Chapter 10, or will the bad taste in my mouth have destroyed any chance I would've had of enjoying this game?[/QUOTE]

No, you should stop. People who loved FFXIII liked everything before CH10, so you've pretty much established yourself as a non-FFXIII guy at this point.

Nothing wrong with that, although you possibly could of researched it a bit better before going at it. It's a bold game, hard to recommend.

[quote name='keithp']Damn, that's what I'm afraid of. Thanks for the honest reply, Rodimus.

I guess I'd like to know then, is there anyone that didn't like it where I am, but finished it and ended up liking it?[/QUOTE]

There are a few people on here who might tell you to keep going because the game "opens up" later. But you're clearly not into the battle system so the fact that there's a big field to hunt things in later probably isn't going to drastically change your mind. If you did dig the narrative/characters and combat, then I would say get ready to get your mind blown in the last few chapters.

But if you bought a bag of rotten apples, don't go eating them all hoping for a tasty one.

As for Square's future games, I think history has told us that they change up their formulas up with every game regardless of the financial success of the previous. You'll notice how FF fans love 1-2 FFs and hate all the rest, this is precisely why.
 
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^ agreed

I found XIII juuuust playable enough to slog through till the end, but it was a chore. I wanted to kill hope, and strangle Vanille (I guess I just can't stand aussie women accents. Miranda in Mass Effect 2 elicited the same reaction). The paradigm shifts were interesting at first, until I realized that eventually it became a war of attrition constantly switching between heavy chaining and healing/buffs. As for it "opening up"... barely, and only in comparison to the ultra-linearity of the first portion, and even then most of the "openness" is completely optional and fairly pointless for the most part.

Ironically it was the first FF I bought day 1 (usually got them 1-2 years after release), and is easily my least favorite after a tossup between 2 and 3.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']You'll notice how FF fans love 1-2 FFs and hate all the rest, this is precisely why.[/QUOTE]

As a Final Fantasy fan from pretty much the moment I started liking video games (FFVI was the game which made me fall in love with RPGs) I can say that, for me at least, that's not true. Aside from the mild disappointment that was VIII, XIII was far and away my least favorite game in the series, and given my level of hype for it probably the most disappointed I've ever been in a videogame.

It wasn't the plot either, since I actually have a soft spot for schmaltzy JRPG storylines; nor was it how linear it was, since I've played plenty of linear games I've enjoyed.

To me, the root of my dislike of the game rested squarely on the battle system. That's something I absolutely recognize is a matter of personal preference, but I've played a lot of different RPGs, both Japenese and Western, with a lot of different battle systems and I can't immediately recall one in a AAA title which fell as flat for me as FFXIII did. Not to say it isn't ambitious, and it might be an entirely personal thing (although obviously I'm not the only one who felt this way) but it just never struck a chord.

I never finished the game (a first for me in the series), and haven't picked it up in months, but to summarize my thoughts on the battle system from back then: It felt, to me anyway, like a "tweener". And by that I mean it neither gave me full control over what was going on, nor removed me from it entirely. Take, for example, a traditional turn-based RPG where I am absolutely in command of every character; or a Tales game where I'm at least in full control of one. That's fine for me, I like both kinds. On the other end of the spectrum are games like Dragon Age (my favorite game of 2009) or FFXII where really if I set things up right it can play itself. While I definitely see the downside to that, I actually like the feeling of orchestrating everything from on high as well as the out-of-battle micromanagement. I still feel like I have a high degree of control over those games, even if they basically "play themselves".

To me, FFXIII would have worked better if it had broken in one of these two directions, but instead it tried to (unsuccessfully I think) walk the line between them. I would have liked it a lot more if, say, I was only responsible for setting up my paradigms and then managing their shifting. Instead, I'm also given cursory control over a character and asked to manage them as well as the overall party schematic of the given moment. And it didn't work. It's basically trying to maintain the illusion of direct control over the party which is ultimately a detriment to the system as a whole. If you're going for the high-paced, frenetic paradigm shifting: fine. But go all-in. Don't also put me in charge of one character for no good reason other than making me feel like I'm actually playing the game.

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[quote name='panzerfaust']As for Square's future games, I think history has told us that they change up their formulas up with every game regardless of the financial success of the previous. You'll notice how FF fans love 1-2 FFs and hate all the rest, this is precisely why.[/QUOTE]
I love VI - X.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']You'll notice how FF fans love 1-2 FFs and hate all the rest, this is precisely why.[/QUOTE]
An exaggeration, sure, but not too far from the truth.

I think the greatest problem with Final Fantasy as a series (in terms of its fandom) is that it's inconsistent. While this makes FF interesting in that it's always experimental and unpredictable, there's something to be said for reliability. I don't play new main-series FFs anymore because I don't want to run the risk of being burned yet again; I'd rather go with something I know is going to suit my tastes, like a Tales, Rune Factory, or Dragon Quest (or Final Fantasy Tactics/Tactics Advance).
 
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