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[quote name='kainzero']hm?
class changing was pretty broken in that game, so you can get by with subpar equipment by leveling up to 10 or so in the various classes. i don't think i did any post-game stuff until after i completed the story.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you don't have to worry much about chasing after super-rare equipment in IX's main game. I had no trouble with using mostly store-bought gear. My only big gripe about the game was the lack of a casino.

[quote name='kainzero']in the original SFC version it was actually like DQ5 and you could recruit more than slimes. i didn't realize this in the DS version for a long time and i was wondering why i couldn't get a cureslime.[/QUOTE]
I originally thought it was like the SFC DQVI as well! Like you, that had me confused for awhile. Good thing the Monster Master job still has some okay abilities, so it's not a total waste of time :p
 
Is this thread just for talking about RPGs? Hope so, apologies if not...

Just looking for an assist on a game recommendation. Long time RPG fan but an old buddy of mine who hasn't gamed much in a long time said he was getting the itch to play a JRPG again. I honestly haven't played a JRPG since...Lord, maybe Final Fantasy 2 on SNES, so I'm way out of the loop.

Throw some top notch titles at me, Xbox 360 only. Lead me my brothers!! If it matters, I'm still active in the RPG genre but I just stick to westerns these days. Price is a factor too though. Not looking to take a chance on a brand new title at near MSRP. I'm looking for bang to buck here.
 
[quote name='blueshinra']Yeah, you don't have to worry much about chasing after super-rare equipment in IX's main game. I had no trouble with using mostly store-bought gear. My only big gripe about the game was the lack of a casino.


I originally thought it was like the SFC DQVI as well! Like you, that had me confused for awhile. Good thing the Monster Master job still has some okay abilities, so it's not a total waste of time :p[/QUOTE]

I didnt need the rare equipment, I just didnt like having the next level of weapons locked away for so long of a period. The main quest line was pretty dull as well.

I like 7 and 8. The 'chapter' aspect of IV was nice as well.
 
[quote name='donbaloo']Throw some top notch titles at me, Xbox 360 only. Lead me my brothers!! If it matters, I'm still active in the RPG genre but I just stick to westerns these days. Price is a factor too though. Not looking to take a chance on a brand new title at near MSRP. I'm looking for bang to buck here.[/QUOTE]

I'd start with Lost Odyssey if I were you.
 
[quote name='donbaloo']Is this thread just for talking about RPGs? Hope so, apologies if not...

Just looking for an assist on a game recommendation. Long time RPG fan but an old buddy of mine who hasn't gamed much in a long time said he was getting the itch to play a JRPG again. I honestly haven't played a JRPG since...Lord, maybe Final Fantasy 2 on SNES, so I'm way out of the loop.

Throw some top notch titles at me, Xbox 360 only. Lead me my brothers!! If it matters, I'm still active in the RPG genre but I just stick to westerns these days. Price is a factor too though. Not looking to take a chance on a brand new title at near MSRP. I'm looking for bang to buck here.[/QUOTE]

  • Tales of Vesperia as mentioned, though it is still a bit pricey. Personally haven't played it beyond the demo, but felt like a good time. $30+

  • Final Fantasy XIII is big hitter that can be be found for $10-15, if you're looking for something with more narrative emphasis and a fresh take on combat. Not a game you want to play if you're looking for customization of any sort, however. It's more of a load up a save point and be back on your way kind of game. No towns or exploration, but overall a very beautiful adventure in its own unique way.

  • Nier is a similar price of $15-20, and it's hard to recommend for it's tedious overall design, though still a very mature story and host to some great personalities. Maybe you'll appreciate it like so many of us have, maybe not.

  • Lost Odyssey I'd recommend as a good starting point as you'll feel immediately familiar with the traditional design of it all. It's got a great look into an immortal character and a bunch of gradually uncovered, shortly written insights that make it easy to become emotionally invested in his story. But it's also even more outdated than even traditional format allows, and in some very annoying ways. So if you want to get away from mind numbing, gimmicky dungeons and super cliche villains -- be careful. ~$20-25
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']
  • Nier is a similar price of $15-20, though it's hard to recommend for it's tedious overall design -- but still a very mature story and host to some great personalities. Maybe you'll appreciate it like so many of us have, maybe not.[/QUOTE]
Did you/will you/are you going to do the New Game+ run(s)?
 
I'd also throw an endorsement towards Eternal Sonata (as long as you can stomach it being a bit too cute for its own good sometimes). It's a lovely game and has a very enjoyable battle system. It's worth noting that the PS3 version is better, but the 360 version holds up fine.
 
[quote name='donbaloo']Is this thread just for talking about RPGs? Hope so, apologies if not...

Just looking for an assist on a game recommendation. Long time RPG fan but an old buddy of mine who hasn't gamed much in a long time said he was getting the itch to play a JRPG again. I honestly haven't played a JRPG since...Lord, maybe Final Fantasy 2 on SNES, so I'm way out of the loop.

Throw some top notch titles at me, Xbox 360 only. Lead me my brothers!! If it matters, I'm still active in the RPG genre but I just stick to westerns these days. Price is a factor too though. Not looking to take a chance on a brand new title at near MSRP. I'm looking for bang to buck here.[/QUOTE]

My favorite is Lost Odyssey. Other good ones would be Tales of Vesperia and Nier. Some people really like FFXIII as well. I thought Eternal Sonata was fun too.
 
[quote name='donbaloo'] Throw some top notch titles at me, Xbox 360 only. Lead me my brothers!! If it matters, I'm still active in the RPG genre but I just stick to westerns these days. Price is a factor too though. Not looking to take a chance on a brand new title at near MSRP. I'm looking for bang to buck here.[/QUOTE]

Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey & Blue Dragon are you best bet. You should be able to find them for around $20 or cheaper. Lost Odyssey & Blue Dragon are more tradional JRPG with turn-based combat.

I'll also throw in Final Fantasy XIII (even though I thought it was a piece of shit) but lots of people loved it so judge for yourself. It's also dirt cheap.

EDIT - Eternal Sonata was okay. Pretty game, intresting premise, lame story that falls apart at the end and gets quite pretentious. Combat starts out good, but gets very repetitive later in the game.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']
Did you/will you/are you going to do the New Game+ run(s)?[/QUOTE]

I'm in the middle of them, which is why I'm walking away from the game with a much more positive outlook than what the game's first ending left me with, because they really seem to complete the experience. Haven't played for a few days, and I'm actually getting all nostalgic thinking about going back.

I don't think I could fairly recommend the game without warning, though.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Eternal Sonata is unplayable on PS3 due to no trophies.[/QUOTE]

I don't really care about trophies at all compared to Achievements (which I only mildly care about). Maybe it's because most of the games I play on PS3 are JRPGs, which are pretty stingy with the trophies to begin with.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']I'm in the middle of them, which is why I'm walking away from the game with a much more positive outlook than what the game's first ending left me with, because they really seem to complete the experience. Haven't played for a few days, and I'm actually getting all nostalgic thinking about going back.

I don't think I could fairly recommend the game without warning, though.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough.

But man, if you think Nier has repetitive combat and bad sidequests, try one of the Drakengards. fuck those games so hard.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I don't really care about trophies at all compared to Achievements (which I only mildly care about). Maybe it's because most of the games I play on PS3 are JRPGs, which are pretty stingy with the trophies to begin with.[/QUOTE]
I don't really care about either.

I was just making fun of the people who won't play a game without them.
 
[quote name='whoknows']
I was just making fun of the people who won't play a game without them.[/QUOTE]

Ah, right. Those people suck.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Fair enough.

But man, if you think Nier has repetitive combat and bad sidequests, try one of the Drakengards. fuck those games so hard.[/QUOTE]
I love Drakengard, but collecting all the weapons for that final ending made me want to stab myself in the eyes with toothpicks...
 
I was always curious how Drakengard tied into Nier. I keep reading it's a loose connection but it's based off one of the endings. Any characters or locations that connect the two?
 
[quote name='Rodimus']I was always curious how Drakengard tied into Nier. I keep reading it's a loose connection but it's based off one of the endings. Any characters or locations that connect the two?[/QUOTE]
Drakengard alternate ending spoilers ahead. But since you're probably never going to play Drakengard, and you're definitely never going to play Drakengard enough to get this ending, y'all might as well open the tag anyway.

One of the alternate endings of Drakengard has you, your dragon, and the big monster lady teleported to modern day Tokyo. You and your terribly voice-acted companion defeat the big monster lady via a dance-off, but are killed shortly thereafter by a jet-fighter. The dying monster-lady unleashes some horrible blight upon the world, setting up Nier.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Drakengard alternate ending spoilers ahead. But since you're probably never going to play Drakengard, and you're definitely never going to play Drakengard enough to get this ending, y'all might as well open the tag anyway.

One of the alternate endings of Drakengard has you, your dragon, and the big monster lady teleported to modern day Tokyo. You and your terribly voice-acted companion defeat the big monster lady via a dance-off, but are killed shortly thereafter by a jet-fighter. The dying monster-lady unleashes some horrible blight upon the world, setting up Nier.
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So when does the intro of Nier take place? The part were the MC is using a pipe as a weapon. I'm guessing it's after the events of Drakengard. Also any mention of Emil his sister or Weiss in Drakengard since they seem to have been around for a while?
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Drakengard alternate ending spoilers ahead. But since you're probably never going to play Drakengard, and you're definitely never going to play Drakengard enough to get this ending, y'all might as well open the tag anyway.

One of the alternate endings of Drakengard has you, your dragon, and the big monster lady teleported to modern day Tokyo. You and your terribly voice-acted companion defeat the big monster lady via a dance-off, but are killed shortly thereafter by a jet-fighter. The dying monster-lady unleashes some horrible blight upon the world, setting up Nier.
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I must search youtube for this dance-off.

It sounds relevant to me.
 
Alright, seeing some good confirmations on a few titles we've already started looking at. Looking like we're leaning towards Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey (had my eye on this one a while back anyway), and final fantasy xiii. Final Fantasy XIII has a bit of a draw to it because he used to be a big FF fan, plus it appears to be the least expensive of the bunch. Looking like 35$ for Tales, otherwise it might be at the top of the list.

Thanks folks!! +200XPs for the help!
 
[quote name='donbaloo']Final Fantasy XIII has a bit of a draw to it because he used to be a big FF fan[/QUOTE]

Danger, Will Robinson!
 
[quote name='whoknows']I must search youtube for this dance-off.

It sounds relevant to me.[/QUOTE]
I may have given it too much credit.

You fly around in a circle hitting the appropriate button when cued to do so. Maybe it's more Parappa the Rapper than dance-off.

Either way, here's a video of someone who memorized the pattern perfectly so that he could do the "fight" flawlessly, pressing each button before the cue (there's a delay between when you press the button and when it "hits", as you can see).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TycMDbNG1U

Here's the ending cutscene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G80XpHACiuw
 
[quote name='bvharris']Danger, Will Robinson![/QUOTE]
Oh, no, don't get me wrong, there's no real expectations on game play. Like I said, its been a very long time since either of us have played a final fantasy title. I think for him it would just be neat to be playing something called "final fantasy", not because of gameplay expectations though. Thanks for the warning though!
 
Those without expectations for FF are the ones best off these days, so I really don't think he ought to worry about being offended by XIII's decisions if he's been that long separated from the franchise. He'll play it as just another RPG, and I hope he gets his $10 worth if he decides to jump on it.

[quote name='The Crotch']Fair enough.

But man, if you think Nier has repetitive combat and bad sidequests, try one of the Drakengards. fuck those games so hard.[/QUOTE]

If it weren't for lofty expectations for the rest of the game based on forum recommendations, I would have dropped Nier after the first hour, if not immediately following the opening tutorial segment. That initial combat felt so hideously low budget, and the fetch quest structure of the world in general too. it was only until you get Weiss that the game feels deserving of attention, and even then not because the magic attacks really add anything admirable to the combat, but because the game in general from that point does a good job in keeping you curious about the world and its characters.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']it was only until you get Weiss that the game feels deserving of attention, and even then not because the magic attacks really add anything admirable to the combat, but because the game in general from that point does a good job in keeping you curious about the world and its characters.[/QUOTE]

And that music... :drool:
 
[quote name='Rodimus']
So when does the intro of Nier take place? The part were the MC is using a pipe as a weapon. I'm guessing it's after the events of Drakengard. Also any mention of Emil his sister or Weiss in Drakengard since they seem to have been around for a while?
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The intro of Nier takes place long after the Drakengard ending. Between the D ending of Drakengard and the intro of Nier is at least decades. There's a bunch of wars and mutant creatures that start attacking people, and of course the black scrawl disease.
[quote name='Rodimus']Hows the soundtrack for Drakengard? If it's half as good as Nier I'd check it out.[/QUOTE]
The Drakengard soundtrack is good, but not in the same way Nier's is good. Drakengard, the first game anyway not the horrible second game, is basically just a huge a metaphor for the main character's descent into madness. The music, enemies, and situations start off normally enough but by the end of the game the music has become nothing but discordant shrieks and out of tune chords. While the enemies and situations go beyond the point of fucked up and into the realm of insanity.

It's probably the main reason I like the game. It's like playing through someone's deteriorating state of mind.
 
[quote name='eldergamer']I like 7 and 8. The 'chapter' aspect of IV was nice as well.[/QUOTE]
I think this is the first time I've seen you say something complimentary about a game, at least in an RPG Thread o_O;;;
 
Well, that's a given =p.

Seriously though, the music was strongly encouraging, pretty much knew I'd stick with the game when I entered Kaine's mountain village and heard the track that went with it. That's when you knew the game was going to have something interesting to say for itself by the end of it all, janky combat aside.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']The intro of Nier takes place long after the Drakengard ending. Between the D ending of Drakengard and the intro of Nier is at least decades. There's a bunch of wars and mutant creatures that start attacking people, and of course the black scrawl disease.

The Drakengard soundtrack is good, but not in the same way Nier's is good. Drakengard, the first game anyway not the horrible second game, is basically just a huge a metaphor for the main character's descent into madness. The music, enemies, and situations start off normally enough but by the end of the game the music has become nothing but discordant shrieks and out of tune chords. While the enemies and situations go beyond the point of fucked up and into the realm of insanity.

It's probably the main reason I like the game. It's like playing through someone's deteriorating state of mind.[/QUOTE]
Like I said (I think), Drakengard 2 kinda-sorta gave me a soft-spot for the original. "Annoying voice side-kick" is a lot better than "I wish I could stab myself to death" main character, and Caim's consistent policy of killing everything he saw was a lot better than Nowe's "let's get some hippy chick pussy oh wait I forgot that causes the apocalypse". Some of the imagery towards the end of Drakengard 1 was pretty good, though the sequel wimped out on that one.

Also, Drakengard 2 takes its best cutscene
the death of the main character from Drakengard 1
and puts this abomination of a song on top of it. What in the world's entire supply of fucks is that?
 
At my funural I want "Song of the Ancients" to play with a slide show of my life. Guaranteed everyone would be bawling their eyes out.

Thanks for the clarification on the Drakengard/ Nier connection.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']At my funural I want "Song of the Ancients" to play with a slide show of my life. Guaranteed everyone would be bawling their eyes out.

Thanks for the clarification on the Drakengard/ Nier connection.[/QUOTE]
Bonus points for Nier: if Drakengard's Ending D is "true", then Drakengard 2 can't exist. Take that, Nowe!
 
[quote name='eldergamer']I didnt need the rare equipment, I just didnt like having the next level of weapons locked away for so long of a period.[/QUOTE]
i never thought of gear being particularly important in dq...

i'm usually way too lazy to grind for gear in DQ so i just keep going until i absolutely need it. my memory's rusty but i remember only being able to afford one or two things from the fire/volcano town before completing the game.
 
[quote name='elessar123']That's roughly where I'm at. I did 4 of those floors so far. The worst one was slow, which won't let you dodge. I just flew back and bought charms, but even 94% resistance means affliction 80% of the time...[/QUOTE]

I see you haven't hit the really annoying floor yet... :cry:

Well, I guess it's less annoying if you do the optional objective in that section.
 
How does Graces compare to the rest of the series? One of the worst or somwhere in the middle? And if it's the later which Tales games do you think are worse (and don't worry about including Symphonia 2)
 
[quote name='Rodimus']How does Graces compare to the rest of the series? One of the worst or somwhere in the middle? And if it's the later which Tales games do you think are worse (and don't worry about including Symphonia 2)[/QUOTE]

Battle System is very different, but it's good. Relies more heavily on item uses than past games in my opinion. So it's hard to say it's better or worse than other titles, but I'd say it's definitely up there in the top tier of Tales games.

Collector/crafting/side stuff shit is good. No stupid Vesperia side quest bullshit to put up with (game has side quests, but it's far easier to manage). Can miss stuff of course, but everything is logged far better and you have time to complete most things.

Story is one of my least favorite due to how cheesy/predictable/boring the premise is, although the post-game future arc has some pretty amusing scenes. (Main story has a few very poorly voiced parts that didn't flow well).

Characters are fairly stereotypical. As a whole I don't feel they're bad and enjoy them decently enough, however the story premise kind of ruins them for me a bit. Voice actors are decent and there's a lot of voiced scenes.

Grade system doesn't work off of grade earning in the traditional way. You earn it through various things like completing x objectives through the game, learning/mastering shitloads of titles, using a ton of artes, winning on x difficulty. So you won't know how much until you beat the game with save game data.


I enjoyed it enough to go through on NG+ at some point, but I'm not sure if I can do it right after finishing it.


EDIT: Added characters.
 
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[quote name='kainzero']i never thought of gear being particularly important in dq...[/QUOTE]

Me neither, though in IX its certainly more addictive getting the best stuff since it shows up on your characters.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']How does Graces compare to the rest of the series? One of the worst or somwhere in the middle? And if it's the later which Tales games do you think are worse (and don't worry about including Symphonia 2)[/QUOTE]


The first 2 hours are fairly boring since your young kids, but once you get pass that and become an adult, it gets really fun. I really like the battle system, Mixer/combine item aspect is neat.

I would rate this in the tales series.
1. Tales of Vesperia
2. Tales of Graces f
3. Tales of Symphonia
 
Battle is still mashable, though you do need to dodge. It's easy to dodge when you're guarding, so it's no big deal, but does make long battles fun.

The main story is the worst I've seen in an RPG in a long time. The "skits" are mostly better, when it doesn't relate to the main story. It dives into the characters' personalities, like a character's massive OCD, to anther character's ADD. The side story skits in Future Arc are even more silly, but in character.

There's a lot of scenes that points out the obvious, and a character acts all surprised that it's a revelation. I.e. Person A says in the main story that Person B tended to a flower garden. In a future scene, Person A is surprised to learn Person B tended to a flower garden. This happened enough times for the GF and I to think most of the characters are a chip short of a bag.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Me neither, though in IX its certainly more addictive getting the best stuff since it shows up on your characters.[/QUOTE]
in VIII i used the 2nd weakest bow for Angelo until nearly the final boss because i missed all the bow chests and didn't care for alchemy :D
 
[quote name='elessar123']
There's a lot of scenes that points out the obvious, and a character acts all surprised that it's a revelation. [/QUOTE]

I'm not as far into the game as some of you, but I agree that their obliviousness does get to be a bit much at times.

For example Richard, for a large part of the story it's painfully obvious that he's possessed by some sort of evil-ness, but hours and hours of gametime pass without anyone even suggesting that something might be seriously wrong with this dude. Did the glowing red eyes and wispy black smoke-stuff surrounding him not tip you off?
 
I really wanna go back to my favorite RPG this generation, Lost Odyssey, but I hate starting an RPG in this case Tales of Graces f and then switch to another RPG, because I know I will get distracted and never go back to it.

"Lost Odyssey is like a good reliable ex girlfriend....sure you know why you left her in the first place, but every once in a while, it makes for a safe, quality one night stand"
 
All this talk about Nier reminds me of all the frustration I have not being able to find my copy. I was playing it a few months ago and someone in my family took out the disc and didn't put it back in the case. I have yet to figure out where it is.
 
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