Sarah Palin is McCain's Choice for VP

Palin is a bizarre choice. I don't know what else to say.

From what I've read about her this morning, she actually seems like a pretty cool person and a capable governor of Alaska. But what is her position on Iraq? What is her position on Russia? Does she have anything to say about anything that affects the entire country, and the entire world, and not just specifically about Alaska?

McCain is 72. Having such a completely unknown entity *this* close to becoming the president, should he die or become incapacitated due to his age, is just a scary thought.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Your wallet must enjoy being opened and drained of its contents or you're overlubing your credit card for your wallet's pleasure.

Unless you profit from selling insurance at steeper rates or produce milspec weapons, I don't see what McCain can offer you economically.

Please elaborate.[/QUOTE]

I'm curious as well. I can't imagine many people on CAG would benefit from McCain's economic or tax plans. Nor be hurt by Obama's rolling back of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, closing tax loopholes on large corporations, ending tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas etc.

If people are in those income brackets, they really don't need to waste time on a video game deals site!

I think many people have just bought into the rhetoric of Democrats=high taxes for everyone, and ignored that republicans lately have only benefited the wealthy at the expense of the lower and middle classes.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Love her or hate her ...

There's only one HILLARY CLINTON.[/QUOTE]

Thanks the Lord for that.

I think she's an excellent pick. She's young, supported McCain from the start, and will appeal to women. She has an approval rating over 80% which for those keeping score is about four times as high as Pelosi and Congress. She has experience has a mayor and governor and for those knocking her experience she is running as vice president which means she will be exposed to the job as she goes, she will not be the job. She's smart, a familywoman, she took on corruption and other politicians, and she's a cutey. She is also a "regular girl" not like the change preaching Obama's choice of another Washington politician. I think this is a very wise choice and I think if we give some time to learn a little more about her she could prove herself.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']
as an on the fence voter it still doesn't matter to me. a health emergency can happy to anyone at anytime, including obama. nobody knows what tomorrow brings.
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With that view then you should always care whether you think the VP is ready to take office since they are second in line.

But I can see why you don't care, since you lean conservative/libertarian there's no way you can vote for Obama so it's a moot point for you, like I said above. His policies are damn far from libertarian.

You say on the fence, but there's no way a libertarian could even contemplate Obama. You can be on the fence between McCain and some third party or write in would be all I'd think
 
This is probably the second worst pick that could have been made, ahead of only Tim Pawlenty. The main argument against Obama is that he has no experience; now McCain selects a two-year governor, absolutely negating this argument.

Palin is a woman who is anti-women's rights, and could literally be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Biden will carve her up in the debates. I think this will drive away the blue-collar male voters to a degree. Her most widely known position besides that is that she thinks drilling for more oil is a good thing.

Palin, in her two years as governor, has also been riddled in corruption. She is currently under investigation for firing the boss of her sister's ex-husband. Argument here is more of the same.

I think if they wanted to appeal to women and throw a curveball at the same time, the obvious choice was Texas Gov. Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']With that view then you should always care whether you think the VP is ready to take office since they are second in line.

But I can see why you don't care, since you lean conservative/libertarian there's no way you can vote for Obama so it's a moot point for you, like I said above. His policies are damn far from libertarian.

You say on the fence, but there's no way a libertarian could even contemplate Obama. You can be on the fence between McCain and some third party or write in would be all I'd think[/QUOTE]

my views are all over the place (though people only seem to notice when i bring up conservative ones), so voting for obama is not out of the realm of possibility.

[quote name='lilboo']I don't know my history: Is this the first time a woman is running for vice president?[/QUOTE]


that actually has a chance, yes. but there have been others from 3rd parties.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']

that actually has a chance, yes. but there have been others from 3rd parties.[/quote]

well Ferraro for mondale in 84



she is a former Miss Wasilla, so she is used to answering the tough questions better look out Biden
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']As for "hating on gays", she says she has gay friends and has done more for gays in Alaska than anyone before. As best I can tell she is just against gay marriage, a stance I understand, but don't necessarily agree with (we've done this debate before, so let's not do it again).[/quote]

"Why, some of my best friends are gay!"

:roll::roll::roll:

[quote name='Thomas96']Hilary has her work cut out for her. She needs to campaign and make sure her supporters vote Barrack. If they H-Rod supporter go for Palin, it could create some future backlash against Hilary by Barack supporters.[/quote]

If the speeches by Hillary, Bill, and especially Barrack this week didn't wake them up, nothing will. And good riddance, I say. If you're so ignorant and immersed in identity politics as to vote for McCain out of sheer bitterness, even knowing that he has consistently voted against equal pay for women and is at best ambivalent about abortion rights, then you deserve the presidency you get.

[quote name='jputahraptor']I think she's an excellent pick ... She has an approval rating over 80% which for those keeping score is about four times as high as Pelosi and Congress. [/quote]

Wait, so you're equating Palin's approval rating in her home state to Pelosi's approval rating nationally? I suspect if you polled Americans yesterday about their feelings on Palin, 90% of the responses would be "Who?"
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Your wallet must enjoy being opened and drained of its contents or you're overlubing your credit card for your wallet's pleasure.

Unless you profit from selling insurance at steeper rates or produce milspec weapons, I don't see what McCain can offer you economically.

Please elaborate.[/quote]

I work for a company that does Joiner work on ships. Our biggest customers are the US Navy without a doubt.

Do you think a democratic president is going to want to keep on building the ships we are making?
 
[quote name='thenockmlb']This is probably the second worst pick that could have been made, ahead of only Tim Pawlenty. The main argument against Obama is that he has no experience; now McCain selects a two-year governor, absolutely negating this argument.

Palin is a woman who is anti-women's rights, and could literally be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Biden will carve her up in the debates. I think this will drive away the blue-collar male voters to a degree. Her most widely known position besides that is that she thinks drilling for more oil is a good thing.

Palin, in her two years as governor, has also been riddled in corruption. She is currently under investigation for firing the boss of her sister's ex-husband. Argument here is more of the same.

I think if they wanted to appeal to women and throw a curveball at the same time, the obvious choice was Texas Gov. Kay Bailey Hutchinson.[/QUOTE]

You're really, really overestimating the importance of the issues in a political campaign. It's about PR, character and image.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Man, Obama should had Hilary as his VP and these bitches could have had a bra and panties match for votes.[/quote]

Even with that visual, I'm not going gay.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Hilary has her work cut out for her. She needs to campaign and make sure her supporters vote Barrack. If they H-Rod supporter go for Palin, it could create some future backlash against Hilary by Barack supporters.[/QUOTE]

This should be an easy campaing.

To woo the disgruntled Hillary supporters McCain picked a woman who doesn't support women's right to choose.

That should be very easy to point out and get the vast majority of female Hillary supporters (and probably a lot of the male supporters) on Obama's side given Hillary's staunch pro choice stance and that of the majority of her supporters.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']I work for a company that does Joiner work on ships. Our biggest customers are the US Navy without a doubt.

Do you think a democratic president is going to want to keep on building the ships we are making?[/QUOTE]

I'm sure a lot of non-military ship building has gotten shipped over seas and Obama could help bring more back.

And I dont' think Obama would scale down miliatry ship building either. Not with the threat of Iran, problems with Russia etc. He's not talked about downsizing the military. He's talked about getting it out of Iraq and making it stronger. I wouldn't expect ship building to slow down. Even beyond needing more ships, a lot of the naval ships are old and needing replaced.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']This should be an easy campaing.

To woo the disgruntled Hillary supporters McCain picked a woman who doesn't support women's right to choose.

That should be very easy to point out and get the vast majority of female Hillary supporters (and probably a lot of the male supporters) on Obama's side given Hillary's staunch pro choice stance and that of the majority of her supporters.[/quote]

Well I've always thought that any Hillary supporter who now supports McCain because Barack got the nomination is beyond stupid, but for any of them to vote for McCain now that he has a pro-life, anti-women's rights woman on board as VP is even more stupid. Which guarantees it will happen, but I don't think on a very large scale.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']I work for a company that does Joiner work on ships. Our biggest customers are the US Navy without a doubt.

Do you think a democratic president is going to want to keep on building the ships we are making?[/quote]

I appreciate the honesty. To answer your question: Nope.

McCain will be the best choice for you. McCain will do his best to keep our military busy.

As long as you are too old to be drafted and too young to retire, the McCain years will good for you.
 
If McCain had picked Romney it would have hurt his chances with the evangelicals, considering they see Mormons as cultists. They would've stayed home if he picked Romney, despite best Republican efforts.

This pick seems like a good pick for the Republican base, a pick they can get behind and one he needed to gather their support. But I don't know if that'll work since she's really unknown. Until I saw it, I didn't know who she was. So I'm not sure if this will have a major impact.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']Still, all this talk about her not having foreign policy experience is worthless because McCain has plenty and he's the one trying to be Commander-in-Chief.[/QUOTE]

Is this the "Iran/Pakistan border" McCain?
The doesn't know the difference b/w sunni and shia McCain?

Look, I have lots of experience playing Arkanoid, but I'm still bad at it.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']I work for a company that does Joiner work on ships. Our biggest customers are the US Navy without a doubt.

Do you think a democratic president is going to want to keep on building the ships we are making?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I appreciate the honesty. To answer your question: Nope.

McCain will be the best choice for you. McCain will do his best to keep our military busy.

As long as you are too old to be drafted and too young to retire, the McCain years will good for you.[/QUOTE]

See, this is exactly why PR and image matter more than the issues.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/633/

Obama plans to increase the size of our military.

But, being against the Iraq war, he's seen as anti-military.

If anything, expect more war with Obama as he and Biden both have been more assertive about Iran/Pakistan/Afghanistan than McCain.
 
Anti-woman's rights? What, are we going to undo the suffrage movement now? I wasn't aware that abortion was the only rights women have, or that it impacts only women.
 
[quote name='SpiderLocMTGO']Anti-woman's rights? What, are we going to undo the suffrage movement now? I wasn't aware that abortion was the only rights women have, or that it impacts only women.[/QUOTE]

Don't underestimate the importance of a "woman's right" to murder. It's key in this election.

Just heard this news, I think it's a good choice. I was actually saying he should strongly consider her weeks ago. I do like her stance on energy.

That being said, I would have preferred Romney.

I think I'm with bigdaddy, I am looking harder and harder at Bob Barr now.
 
What a completely asinine choice by the McCain campaign...pander much? Those still fighting the fight for Hillary may seem a little nutty at times, but what the Republicans failed to take note of is that the women who support Hillary are generally progressive in their thinking when it comes to women's rights. Something this unknown from Alaska is not. It was a hail mary selection that will fail miserably and simply just highlights the desperation of conservatives this election.

I thank McCain for this selection as he just guaranteed his loss and us having to put up with another 4 years of fear mongering and failed policies from a Republican administration.
 
[quote name='lawdood']What a completely asinine choice by the McCain campaign...pander much? Those still fighting the fight for Hillary may seem a little nutty at times, but what the Republicans failed to take note of is that the women who support Hillary are generally progressive in their thinking when it comes to women's rights. Something this unknown from Alaska is not. It was a hail mary selection that will fail miserably and simply just highlights the desperation of conservatives this election.

I thank McCain for this selection as he just guaranteed his loss and us having to put up with another 4 years of fear mongering and failed policies from a Republican administration.[/QUOTE]

Maybe. So I guess we'll get 4 years of growing welfare, creating more government, and the first steps to true socialism instead. Doesn't matter if you change the color of shit, it's still shit.

I really don't think they are going after the hardcore Hillary supporters with this choice. But there are MANY women out there that will vote for a woman just because she is a woman, regardless of political views. Same for any minority.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Maybe. So I guess we'll get 4 years of growing welfare, creating more government, and the first steps to true socialism instead. Doesn't matter if you change the color of shit, it's still shit.

I really don't think they are going after the hardcore Hillary supporters with this choice. But there are MANY women out there that will vote for a woman just because she is a woman, regardless of political views. Same for any minority.[/quote]


Wake up, the Republicans are the ones who have been shoveling shit down our throats for the last 8 years. Your fear mongering is just that, fear mongering with no basis in reality.

You want out of control growing government, just look at what the conservatives have given us the past 8 years.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Maybe. So I guess we'll get 4 years of growing welfare, creating more government, and the first steps to true socialism instead. Doesn't matter if you change the color of shit, it's still shit.
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Come on. Do you even listen to Obama's plans? It may be a larger government than you libertarians/conservatives like, but it's far from promoting an advance to true socialism.

From his speech last night.

What is that American promise?

It's a promise that says each of us has the freedom to make of our own lives what we will, but that we also have the obligation to treat each other with dignity and respect.

It's a promise that says the market should reward drive and innovation and generate growth, but that businesses should live up to their responsibilities to create American jobs, to look out for American workers, and play by the rules of the road.

Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves -- protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and science and technology.

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America -- the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper.

That's the promise we need to keep. That's the change we need right now. So let me spell out exactly what that change would mean if I am president.
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That doesn't sound like socialism to me. Maybe more government that the "make it on your own or die" stance the far right libertarians would like, but not socialism.

Nor do his plans he laid out sound socialist to me:


Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

You know, unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.

I'll eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

I will, listen now, cut taxes -- cut taxes -- for 95 percent of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

And for the sake of our economy, our security and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as president: In 10 years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East. We will do this.

Washington's been talking about our oil addiction for the last 30 years, and by the way John McCain's been there for 26 of them. And in that time, he's said no to higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars, no to investments in renewable energy, no to renewable fuels. And today, we import triple the amount of oil that we had as the day that Sen. McCain took office.

Now is the time to end this addiction, and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution. Not even close.

As president, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I'll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I'll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I'll invest $150 billion over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy -- wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and 5 million new jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced.

America, now is not the time for small plans.

Now is the time to finally meet our moral obligation to provide every child a world-class education, because it will take nothing less to compete in the global economy. You know, Michelle and I are only here tonight because we were given a chance at an education. And I will not settle for an America where some kids don't have that chance. I'll invest in early childhood education. I'll recruit an army of new teachers, and pay them higher salaries and give them more support. And in exchange, I'll ask for higher standards and more accountability. And we will keep our promise to every young American -- if you commit to serving your community or our country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.

Now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American. If you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves. And as someone who watched my mother argue with insurance companies while she lay in bed dying of cancer, I will make certain those companies stop discriminating against those who are sick and need care the most.

Now is the time to help families with paid sick days and better family leave, because nobody in America should have to choose between keeping their job and caring for a sick child or ailing parent.

Now is the time to change our bankruptcy laws, so that your pensions are protected ahead of CEO bonuses; and the time to protect Social Security for future generations.

And now is the time to keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day's work, because I want my daughters to have the exact same opportunities as your sons.

Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime -- by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow. But I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less -- because we cannot meet 21st century challenges with a 20th century bureaucracy.
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Now I know full well you disagree with all of this and the two of us will never agree on much of everything.

But for god's sake at least make some effort to discuss issues intelligently without resorting to tired, partisan rhetoric and tossing out terms like socialism and communism that are just useless hyperbole rather than thought out responses that articulate your disagreement.

And the same goes for any liberals that respond to his post with personal attacks, insults or rhetoric rather than taking some effort to point out his folly.
 
I agree with most voters PR and Image is more important then the things that really matter. I hear far to many people say they want to vote for someone because they think he looks good or the typical I like the way he handles himself line.

Personally I will vote on whoever wants to keep me employed.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']
Personally I will vote on whoever wants to keep me employed.[/QUOTE]

I respect your honesty. I don't like your stance, but I can respect it.

I'm thoroughly a democrat and support strong social policies that cost a lot of money. And I'll keep voting for them even though I'll be in the tax brackets that pay for them in a few years, especially if I marry my current girlfriend who is also highly educated and making a nice chunk of change.

But I also understand that the issue is very different from working class people that don't have advanced degrees to fall back on and lots of expendable income, so I can respect your stance. Some people don't have the luxury of being able to easily afford putting their principles ahead of their bottom line and that's perfectly understandable.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']Personally I will vote on whoever wants to keep me employed.[/QUOTE]

Neither candidate has any plans to modify Navy funding and both candidates intend to prolong (and start) fruitless wars, so your job is safe either way.

You need to look more closely at who's running for representative and senator in your state. If any changes are made to Naval funding, it'll be from them.
 
[quote name='Koggit']Neither candidate has any plans to modify Navy funding and both candidates intend to prolong (and start) fruitless wars, so your job is safe either way.

You need to look more closely at who's running for representative and senator in your state. If any changes are made to Naval funding, it'll be from them.[/QUOTE]

This man speaks the truth. Your rep and sen are much more important to your job than the president.
 
The more I think about this pick the more it baffles me. I really can't see good beyond the inital PR buzz that will be gone by tomorrow.

This pick really hurts him on the one area his campaign had the edge--experience.

How much it will hurt is hard to say, as in the end of the day for the people who care about experience McCain still has much more than Obama.

So it's just a matter of how many people will consider the completely inexperienced VP who's a 72 year-old man's heartbeat away from the oval office.

Where it really hurt sis by taking away McCain's ability to continue to attack Obama's lack of experience, as they can just respond by saying that experience must not matter so much since McCain chose to put a much less experienced person a heart beat away from the presidency.

On top of that it won't do much for female swing voters or former Hillary supporters due to her pro life stance and just generally being too far right (further than McCain from what I've read so far) to appeal to swing voters period.

And finally she's a complete wild card as far as performance under this kind of international spotlight.

I really don't see anyway this doesn't end up being huge mistake and killing the already fairly slim (IMO) chance that McCain had. Just a foolish and misguided attempt to counter Obama's message of change by putting an unknown woman on the ticket.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']The more I think about this pick the more it baffles me. I really can't see good beyond the inital PR buzz that will be gone by tomorrow.

This pick really hurts him on the one area his campaign had the edge--experience.

How much it will hurt is hard to say, as in the end of the day for the people who care about experience McCain still has much more than Obama.

So it's just a matter of how many people will consider the completely inexperienced VP who's a 72 year-old man's heartbeat away from the oval office.

Where it really hurt sis by taking away McCain's ability to continue to attack Obama's lack of experience, as they can just respond by saying that experience must not matter so much since McCain chose to put a much less experienced person a heart beat away from the presidency.

On top of that it won't do much for female swing voters or former Hillary supporters due to her pro life stance and just generally being too far right (further than McCain from what I've read so far) to appeal to swing voters period.

And finally she's a complete wild card as far as performance under this kind of international spotlight.

I really don't see anyway this doesn't end up being huge mistake and killing the already fairly slim (IMO) chance that McCain had. Just a foolish and misguided attempt to counter Obama's message of change by putting an unknown woman on the ticket.[/QUOTE]


What's even more even more baffling is that her name has been thrown around for months. So it's not like the pick was totally unexpected.

I'm reserving judgement on her until I hear her speak and do some debating with Biden, which shouldn't be too far off.

The one thing that I'm dissapointed in, I was hoping VP picks might push me towards one side more than the other. But after the Biden and Palin picks I'm right where I was before.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Maybe. So I guess we'll get 4 years of growing welfare, creating more government, and the first steps to true socialism instead. Doesn't matter if you change the color of shit, it's still shit.[/QUOTE]

That's just absurd. The size, scope, and power of government, especially the power of the executive branch, should make you far more frightened of government than Obama's health care plan.

The last 8 years have taught me that the genuine fascist steps this government, again particularly the executive branch, has taken is far more frightening than McCarthy-era fears of "SOCIALISM!!!"

The fact that you are legally being wiretapped, and that you may be detained indefinitely, with no charges being brought up against you, no legal recourse, no need for a body of proof - the double murder of habeas corpus and miranda - should put to rest any sort of "I'm scared of the government getting too large so I guess I'll vote Republican" arguments you have to offer.

You may as well say "I support responsible government spending, so I vote Republican." ;)

EDIT: Yeah, I'm looking forward to the Palin/Biden debates. It's gonna be like King Kong Bundy and Little Beaver at Wrestlemania III.
 
I just thought of something. I really wish Romney would have won and picked Palin. It would have been the most attractive ticket ever.

[quote name='mykevermin']That's just absurd. The size, scope, and power of government, especially the power of the executive branch, should make you far more frightened of government than Obama's health care plan.

The last 8 years have taught me that the genuine fascist steps this government, again particularly the executive branch, has taken is far more frightening than McCarthy-era fears of "SOCIALISM!!!"

The fact that you are legally being wiretapped

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so does obama ;)
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']I just thought of something. I really wish Romney would have won and picked Palin. It would have been the most attractive ticket ever.[/QUOTE]

That was sacrasm correct? No one can be that blind.
 
People keep saying VP debateS, but I think there is only one of those. I hope I'm wrong as I really expect Biden to own her.
 
No, I think he's right. Romney's pretty dashing, man.

McCain's height hasn't been an issue (though, did you know he and the oft-pointed-out-as-being-tiny Dennis Kucinich are both 5'7"?), but I hate to be paranoid, the height difference between McCain and Obama will come across quite starkly in televised debates.

GET SOME ELEVATOR SHOES, MAN!

EDIT: dmaul, the custom, I think, is 3 pres and 1 vp debates. Shame, as the vp debates have the best quips. Lloyd Bentsen's "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" and Admiral James Sotckdale's "Who am I? Why am I here?" are among my favorite one-liners in political history.
 
So if I look at it from a financial perspective(presuming neither one wants to cut back Navy funding) it seems as though I should vote for my own principles, which will clearly land me in the democrat area.

The next couple of months will be interesting with debates and news.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']That was sacrasm correct? No one can be that blind.[/QUOTE]

Romney is one good lookin dude, Palin ain't so bad for a 44 year old mother of 5. If you can think of a better looking ticket... and don't tell me Gore/Liberman
 
[quote name='SpiderLocMTGO']Anti-woman's rights? What, are we going to undo the suffrage movement now? I wasn't aware that abortion was the only rights women have, or that it impacts only women.[/quote]

Let me guess - you like 'em barefoot and pregnant.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']So if I look at it from a financial perspective(presuming neither one wants to cut back Navy funding) it seems as though I should vote for my own principles, which will clearly land me in the democrat area.

The next couple of months will be interesting with debates and news.[/QUOTE]

More or less. Staying in the middle east or leaving ten minutes ago, none of that, as big as it is, will really change the size, structure, and direction of the Navy.
 
Until last election, the tallest candidate always won the Presidency (or at least that's what the media said). Same goes for what was known as the "Redskins Rule" where depending on the Redskins final home game before the election determined who won (home win = incumbent win), so they're not really issues, just stuff people use to say 'see, now candidate x will win, you have no choice'.

This pick...probably something I'll come to grips with as McCain's best choice. Not a Washington insider, pretty fresh face, the Republican base will probably love her from what I'm hearing. This sounds like a pick McCain needed to get the base fully behind him.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']Romney is one good lookin dude, Palin ain't so bad for a 44 year old mother of 5. If you can think of a better looking ticket... and don't tell me Gore/Liberman[/QUOTE]

Well you have said some pretty conservative stuff.....I took it wrong and thought you meant best looking as in not looks but like damn I cant wait to vote for these 2. As far as looks go yes that would be the best looking ticket ever probably.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']More or less. Staying in the middle east or leaving ten minutes ago, none of that, as big as it is, will really change the size, structure, and direction of the Navy.[/quote]

How about a war between Russia and Georgia? It'll probably never happen.

Christ, you folks should read more Pat Bucha(sh)ananana.

Have we all forgotten about the Black Sea and the range of cruise missiles?

Does anybody think Abkhazia is vulnerable to an amphibious assault?

Yeah, Obama won't go all Patton with Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But McCain isn't penciling in lovefests either.

McCain won't ask anything more from you than was asked of him: part of a draft army and 5 years as a POW.

...

Since nobody here would listen to Rush, I caught 20 minutes after work. Rush thinks Palin supplants Hillary. Uh, right. Rush also thinks we can't afford Obama. I'm opposed to almost any government spending, but I'd rather see $1 billion pissed away on treating sick Americans or alternative evergy than on Iraq.
 
From what I've read on her in the last ten minutes, she's got little to no experience outside of local government and governing Alaska for two years. She's also all for overturning Roe v Wade and in favor of drilling in Alaska (something I'm sure her own state is all for).

This'll be fun.
 
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