Screw E3, Xbox 2 premieres TONIGHT on MTV at 9:30pm EST

[quote name='epobirs']I think you're missing the point. A previous poster dismissed the Xbox as Halo and nothing more, and then assumed the Xbox 360 would be as readily dismissed. This would be no different from dismissing the entire PS2 library if the Metal Gear series didn't suit your taste. You have to wonder how much first hand experience that first poster has of the Xbox.

And it would appear GT4 is the limit of what the PS2 can do, considering they had to drop online support for lack of remaining resources after everything else was in place. God of War is very good but you know people would be less impressed if an identical version appeared on the competing systems. There would be far less of a, "Wow, they really sweated blood over this one" element on those machines. Look at how much advance scrutiny RE4 for PS2 has been subjected to on the expectation it wil have to lose much of the quality seen on the GameCube. But would it be fair to write off the system because other have greater strengths or must it be judged on its own merits, particularly in deliver content not available elsewhere in the console world.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's a very questionable statement which doesn't help their overall messages.

GT4 being the limit of the PS2 wouldn't surprise me, though it's likely that it's at least close. It also wouldn't surprise me that there could be something to surpass it.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Is anybody going to Tivo/capture this and throw it online? It's something I'd like to download...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I would like to download "MTV Presents: Next Generation Xbox Revealed" too...:D
 
[quote name='epobirs']Yep, playing KOTOR on my PS2 has been a blast.[/QUOTE]

Playing it on PC was just fine though, wasn't it? Seriously, I think javeryh has a point. I really don't see many Xbox franchises that "sell the system" besides Halo - which is just a standard FPS done on a console (oh, wait, you can play Halo on PC as well).

There are very few Xbox games that are worth getting an Xbox for that you can't play on PC or another system. Furthermore, there are even fewer unique games. If it isn't a racing game or an FPS/3rdPS, it's not on Xbox.

I know that's an exaggeration but when I look at the PS2 I see games across the entire spectrum (rhythm/music, platformer, RPG, SRPG, Sim...). I could really care less if the PS3 specs aren't up to the Xbox 360s. It's the games, people.

I really hope that MSoft steps it with the 360 and lines up some quality games from a variety of genres.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']Playing it on PC was just fine though, wasn't it? Seriously, I think javeryh has a point. I really don't see many Xbox franchises that "sell the system" besides Halo - which is just a standard FPS done on a console (oh, wait, you can play Halo on PC as well).

There are very few Xbox games that are worth getting an Xbox for that you can't play on PC or another system. Furthermore, there are even fewer unique games. If it isn't a racing game or an FPS/3rdPS, it's not on Xbox.

I know that's an exaggeration but when I look at the PS2 I see games across the entire spectrum (rhythm/music, platformer, RPG, SRPG, Sim...). I could really care less if the PS3 specs aren't up to the Xbox 360s. It's the games, people.

I really hope that MSoft steps it with the 360 and lines up some quality games from a variety of genres.[/QUOTE]
Go about 3 posts up... The myth of Xbox "not having any games" is getting really old. The only thing Xbox is seriously lacking is Japanese RPG's, and thats been addressed. Xbox's lineup has strengths and weaknesses just like PS2's, PS2 has a bigger lineup, but its also been out longer.

I think the new influx of Japanese support bodes well for 360. It doesn't need to do great in Japan, just good enough for developers to support it this time around, and I think the Japanese lineup of games for it is already enough to sell the system, with Blue Dragon, Ninja Gaiden Black, Dead or Alive 4, and the other coming titles. A close 3rd would be great for them.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']Playing it on PC was just fine though, wasn't it? .[/QUOTE]

No, it wasn't.

Besides PC games being buggy as crap, most of us would rather drop the $200 on an Xbox and a game than $200 on a video card that's going to need to be upgraded in 3 months.

I really don't see many Xbox franchises that "sell the system" besides Halo
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Maybe not, but the Xbox Live service sells systems, and that's the same basic thing as a franchise.

There are very few Xbox games that are worth getting an Xbox for that you can't play on PC or another system.
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But if you have no systems, Xbox is the way to go, because its a proven fact that every single multi-platform game plays best on the Xbox. There's no arguing that.

I know that's an exaggeration but when I look at the PS2 I see games across the entire spectrum (rhythm/music, platformer, RPG, SRPG, Sim...).
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Here's some games that have sold well recently. Madden. Halo 2. GTA : SA. Resident Evil 4. God of War. KOTOR. I see no rhythm/music or sim games there.

You're right that PS2 has more variety, but the variety it offers appeals to such a small group of gamers that it doesn't matter in the long run. Most people simply don't care about rhythm/music games or sim games.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I think the new influx of Japanese support bodes well for 360. It doesn't need to do great in Japan, just good enough for developers to support it this time around, and I think the Japanese lineup of games for it is already enough to sell the system, with Blue Dragon, Ninja Gaiden Black, Dead or Alive 4, and the other coming titles. A close 3rd would be great for them.[/QUOTE]

Are those Tecmo games, specifically DOA4, confirmed for the next Xbox? All I've seen from Itagaki has been pretty vague.
 
[quote name='MTV article']More than 200 titles will be developed for the new platform this year, Microsoft said. The company has sold more than 20 million Xboxes worldwide since its 2001 launch.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to know how many games are being developed this year. I want to know how many game will be released this year! These 200 games in development could potentially take another year or more before they are actually released. I'm curious to find out exactly how many games they will have finished and ready for this year's launch.
 
[quote name='YeahRight13']i cant wait till 930 tonight yes[/QUOTE]
I hope they actually talk about the system instead of doing stupid skits, and have the killers parade around weilding communicators and controllers. This better be 30 minutes of pure tech stuff, for the tech nerd, not the casual gamer. This wont happen, but one can hope :)
 
[quote name='mmn']No, it wasn't.

Besides PC games being buggy as crap, most of us would rather drop the $200 on an Xbox and a game than $200 on a video card that's going to need to be upgraded in 3 months.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you need to work on your PC. These games work fine on mine. Also, if you are upgrading your vid card every three months, would you sell me your old ones?



[quote name='mmn']Maybe not, but the Xbox Live service sells systems, and that's the same basic thing as a franchise.[/QUOTE]

There are around 1 million Xbox Live subscribers and 10 to 11 million Xboxes out there. So I'd say that Halo is most likely driving sales, not Live.


[quote name='mmn']But if you have no systems, Xbox is the way to go, because its a proven fact that every single multi-platform game plays best on the Xbox. There's no arguing that.[/QUOTE]

I think there is plenty to argue with that. If by "playing the best" means it has the best graphics, I'd agree. If it means actual gameplay, I'd argue that the PS2 version of games like SSX, Tony Hawk, and NBA Street (or any game which uses shoulder buttons) play much better on the PS2 since the controller is better suited for this type of game. How a game "plays" is so subjective it shouldn't even be allowed as an argument.


[quote name='mmn']Here's some games that have sold well recently. Madden. Halo 2. GTA : SA. Resident Evil 4. God of War. KOTOR. I see no rhythm/music or sim games there.

You're right that PS2 has more variety, but the variety it offers appeals to such a small group of gamers that it doesn't matter in the long run. Most people simply don't care about rhythm/music games or sim games.[/QUOTE]

I forgot that a game has to be a best seller to be good
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. For people who look at both "popular" games and niche titles, I think we know which system would be better suited for them.

In addition to the genres I listed, I should have included platformers, another genre the Xbox is sorely lacking.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']For people who look at both "popular" games and niche titles, I think we know which system would be better suited for them.

In addition to the genres I listed, I should have included platformers, another genre the Xbox is sorely lacking.[/QUOTE]
I guess Phantom Dust, Dai Senryaku, and Scrapland aren't niche enough. Steel Battalion isn't unique or niche?

Platformers... Gunvalkryie, Blinx 1+2, the forthcoming Conker game, and all the multiconsole platformers. I don't think PS2 has a ton more exclusive platformers that are any good, but both consoles have strengths and weaknesses in their lineups.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I guess Phantom Dust, Dai Senryaku, and Scrapland aren't niche enough. Steel Battalion isn't unique or niche?

Platformers... Gunvalkryie, Blinx 1+2, the forthcoming Conker game, and all the multiconsole platformers. I don't think PS2 has a ton more exclusive platformers that are any good, but both consoles have strengths and weaknesses in their lineups.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say the Xbox didn't have any unique or niche titles, I just said that the PS2 was better suited for people who like unique/niche games.

The platformers you listed are pretty pathetic. Sony has the best exclusive platformers going right now (R&C, Jak, and Sly Cooper).

Anyway, I seriously didn't come into this thread to start a flame war or anything like that. I was merely trying to explain that I don't see many franchises for the 360 to bank on that you can't play on another system or on a PC.

I want the 360 to do well. More systems = more games to play. My last statement seems to have been ignored.

"I really hope that MSoft steps it with the 360 and lines up some quality games from a variety of genres."
 
[quote name='lebowsky']Maybe you need to work on your PC. These games work fine on mine.[/quote]

Nah, my Xbox plays ports perfectly fine. Doom 3 looked fantastic on it and Half-Life 2 will as well.

There are around 1 million Xbox Live subscribers and 10 to 11 million Xboxes out there. So I'd say that Halo is most likely driving sales, not Live.
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Which Halo is driving sales? Halo 2. And why do people want to play Halo 2? Xbox Live play. If you ask an educated gamer WHY he wants an Xbox now, he'll probably say "for the online play". And it was 1 million subscribers before Halo 2 hit, I'm sure its much more now.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']I didn't say the Xbox didn't have any unique or niche titles, I just said that the PS2 was better suited for people who like unique/niche games.

The platformers you listed are pretty pathetic. Sony has the best exclusive platformers going right now (R&C, Jak, and Sly Cooper).

Anyway, I seriously didn't come into this thread to start a flame war or anything like that. I was merely trying to explain that I don't see many franchises for the 360 to bank on that you can't play on another system or on a PC.

I want the 360 to do well. More systems = more games to play. My last statement seems to have been ignored.

"I really hope that MSoft steps it with the 360 and lines up some quality games from a variety of genres."[/QUOTE]
I thought Gunvalkyrie was ok, but yeah, platformers are not Xbox's strong point (is JSRF technically a platformer? I thought that was a nice game, real old though). And PS2 is definitely the system to go with if you want quirky games. But, I have to disagree with the last point, there are plenty of franchises on 360 that should be good. Whether they are or not remains to be seen, but I'm very optimistic about Japanese support for the 360, especially about what Blue Dragon will do for the system.

Also, MS doesn't see the PC as competition, for two reasons. One is that its a different market segment, PC gamers and console gamers are two different groups (though I do both and own Xbox and PS2). And the other is that they're both technically MS platforms.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I thought Gunvalkyrie was ok, but yeah, platformers are not Xbox's strong point (is JSRF technically a platformer? I thought that was a nice game, real old though). And PS2 is definitely the system to go with if you want quirky games. But, I have to disagree with the last point, there are plenty of franchises on 360 that should be good. Whether they are or not remains to be seen, but I'm very optimistic about Japanese support for the 360, especially about what Blue Dragon will do for the system.

Also, MS doesn't see the PC as competition, for two reasons. One is that its a different market segment, PC gamers and console gamers are two different groups (though I do both and own Xbox and PS2). And the other is that they're both technically MS platforms.[/QUOTE]

I agree about your points on the PC but maybe Microsoft should view them as competition. I know plenty of people who are PC gamers but not Xbox owners and their argument against the Xbox is that all of the good games will come to PC or originated on the PC in the first place. I know porting them to PC is just more money in Msoft's pocket, but it is also prohibiting Xbox sales to some degree.
 
[quote name='mmn']Nah, my Xbox plays ports perfectly fine. Doom 3 looked fantastic on it and Half-Life 2 will as well.



Which Halo is driving sales? Halo 2. And why do people want to play Halo 2? Xbox Live play. If you ask an educated gamer WHY he wants an Xbox now, he'll probably say "for the online play". And it was 1 million subscribers before Halo 2 hit, I'm sure its much more now.[/QUOTE]

Yep, as of January 2005, Xbox Live had 1.4 million subscribers. Compare that to 6.4 million copies of Halo 2 sold (same time frame). Now there is no way to tell how many people who bought Halo 2 were already on Live, but a 400,000 member bump after 6.4 million in sales doesn't exactly sound like a lot to me.

The fact that Live is broadband only (which excludes many people - especially younger gamers) and requires a yearly fee, means that a small percentage of gamers are actually using the Live service.

I actually think that Live is the best of the online offerings out there. I just don't think it is selling Xboxes to most gamers. With the new Live options that are rumored for the 360, I think that will change. Once you are able to play on Live for free on the weekends, I think a lot of people will get a taste for it and pay the yearly fee for the full service.
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']Theres a E3 Pre Show On Today at 4:00 PM EST on G4, theres a chance it might be informative[/QUOTE]

I saw that show last night. Xplay basically just shows off some previews.
Most notably was some footage of S.t.a.l.k.e.r. which looks pretty impressive.

They also show a few other minor games and fill time with one of their dumb ass comedy skits. At the end of the show they play footage from HL 2 for the xbox.

It's cool to see some of the trailers but their isn't really any remarkable info passed on.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']We should meetup in the Cheap Ass Chat room during the show...[/QUOTE]
Im in for it...ill set up the laptop, and popcorn, and everything :)
 
Is it 9:30 for the east coasters, too? Or is on at 6:30 there? I know it's 9:30 here, but I'm not sure if they are airing it at the same time.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Is it 9:30 for the east coasters, too? Or is on at 6:30 there? I know it's 9:30 here, but I'm not sure if they are airing it at the same time.[/QUOTE]
9:30 for the est coasters as well, we means were going to have an edge on yous guys
 
[quote name='lebowsky']I agree about your points on the PC but maybe Microsoft should view them as competition. I know plenty of people who are PC gamers but not Xbox owners and their argument against the Xbox is that all of the good games will come to PC or originated on the PC in the first place. I know porting them to PC is just more money in Msoft's pocket, but it is also prohibiting Xbox sales to some degree.[/QUOTE]

You could say the same about third party releases on any console. PC owners can bide their time and play the GTA in improved form, for example. Likewise for Metal Gear titles and numerous other titles that had their first life on consoles. OTOH, unless you have extremely narrow tastes, a large number of good Xbox games have not had a PC incarnation.

On the same note, many of those who prefer consoles forego having a gaming oriented PC because they greatly prefer the simplicity of playing a console version. I strongly believe Microsoft missed a major opportunity by actively discouraging most PC ports. With their insistence on not supporting mouse and keyboard use to keep the machine firmly within the console sphere they gave up the chance of drawing a lot of royalties from publishers catering to gamers with a console preference.

For most purposes the PC and console markets are separate. The PC game market is much smaller and the subset of gamers who are active on consoloes and PC smaller still. The Xbox game sales lost to the PC realm are a tiny concern compared to the challenge of the PS2 base when it comes to convincing developers they should produce an Xbox version also or even exclusively. If MS should change their keyboard and mouse policy in the next generation it may draw away a small number of PC gamers seeking greater convenience but no great exodus, much like Apple's switch campaign that cost more than it reaped in actual switchers. The real value is making the console more attractive to developers of PC games that are ill suited to having their control scheme altered to use a console style controller. Since they are trying to establish a unified standard for game controllers across both Xbox and PC which has long been needed to encourage more games of certain types on the PC, it would be equally good to do the Xbox the same favor by having SDK support for the USB dongle that connects the existing MS wireless mouse and keyboard sets.
 
I wonder how they're going to address backwards compatability. Obvious if it is, they'll come right out and say it. But if it isn't, i highly doubt they'll say like "Oh yeah, and we're sorry to inform you, but the Xbox 360 will NOT be backwards compatable." I'm betting that if it's not, then they just won't say anything at all. Needless to say, if it isn't mentioned tonight, then it ain't happening.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I wonder how they're going to address backwards compatability. Obvious if it is, they'll come right out and say it. But if it isn't, i highly doubt they'll say like "Oh yeah, and we're sorry to inform you, but the Xbox 360 will NOT be backwards compatable." I'm betting that if it's not, then they just won't say anything at all. Needless to say, if it isn't mentioned tonight, then it ain't happening.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking about that, too.

This special is only 30 minutes, right? I'm wondering how much content and information they can pack into the show. After all, I think a couple of bands were going to perform, and that will eat up a chunk of time. Hmm...

We'll see in a few hours.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Looks legit enough. Cool![/QUOTE]
only 3 hours more, i vote for a chat room creation
 
*The round thingy on the controller = "The ring of light". Its actually a screen, which says if there are any updates on Xbox Live. Downl. content and such. It also says which controllers there are in your hands, which number.
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That's pretty cool.

*Peter Moore confirms Halo 3. Release this year.
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That's awesome (though I doubt it).
 
Now we know what that little door on the right is for. USB ports so you can use controllers in wired mode and not be put out of business by low batteries.
 
[quote name='modium']For those of you interested, the countdown on www.ourcolony.net is counting down to 8:30 EST, not 9:30, so it may show up there an hour earlier.[/QUOTE]
ourcolony is down now
 
I won't watch that video! I won't!

Six minutes to gametime.. got my drink, on Live with a good group of guys in a chat ready to talk about it.. woo!
 
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