Screw E3, Xbox 2 premieres TONIGHT on MTV at 9:30pm EST

It was crap but damn that sonuva bitch "professional gamer" guy really pissed me off with his lame attempt of downplaying his loss with excuses. I just wanted to bitch slap some sense into him.
 
I wasn't necessarily planning on getting Xbox 360, because I wanted to see what Sony and Nintendo have up their sleeve before I choose what next-gen console I'm gonna get, but this show really turned me off. I know it was just a lame 30 minute MTV produced infomercial, but it just seemed like a really shitty first glimpse at a new console. I'm not even referring to the all the MTV nonsense in the show, the clips of the games just looked unimpressive to me and were nothing I'd wanna buy, let alone drop $300+ on a new console to be able to play. Oh well, maybe the "wow-factor" will be there with whatever they show at E3.
 
I think you all expected too much from the show. Obviously they're not going to get super detailed about it on MTV with E3 being a week away. It did what it was supposed to - informed the MTV audience that there was a new Xbox system coming out this year.

Everyone always gets too excited on this board. Calm down, wait until after E3, and make an INFORMED decision about the 360 at that point.
 
I must give Microsoft some credit...it looks like they've created a great console for the mainstream MTV audience.

Nothing could make me interested in this thing.
 
Yeah, what's up with "customizeable" features like those face plates for the system? It's a neat idea but probably something I wouldn't spend my hard earned cash on when I could be buying games. Also, I wish I knew how many wireless controllers can be used with one 360 at one time. Not sure what that whole xbox live virtual market place is but it sounds interesting. Also, I hope this time around they took in consideration ways to limit cheating on xbox live with this new console.

The only thing that concerns me is by the end of this year, the market will have to support 4 systems (PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360, GCN) and three portables (GBA, DS, and PSP). Anyone else worried that the market is becoming oversaturated with products at one time. I mean they are still cranking out wonderful looking Xbox, PS2, and GCN titles. At least I have a lot of games to play through still (thanks to CAG) to allow me to wait a while before picking up an Xbox360. Hopefully, after the first or second price drop (probably when the PS3 comes out).
 
[quote name='MadFlava']Yeah, what's up with "customizeable" features like those face plates for the system? It's a neat idea but probably something I wouldn't spend my hard earned cash on when I could be buying games. Also, I wish I knew how many wireless controllers can be used with one 360 at one time. Not sure what that whole xbox live virtual market place is but it sounds interesting. Also, I hope this time around they took in consideration ways to limit cheating on xbox live with this new console.

The only thing that concerns me is by the end of this year, the market will have to support 4 systems (PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360, GCN) and three portables (GBA, DS, and PSP). Anyone else worried that the market is becoming oversaturated with products at one time. I mean they are still cranking out wonderful looking Xbox, PS2, and GCN titles. At least I have a lot of games to play through still (thanks to CAG) to allow me to wait a while before picking up an Xbox360. Hopefully, after the first or second price drop (probably when the PS3 comes out).[/QUOTE]

You don't have to buy new faceplates if you don't want one. It won't cost you a penny if it doesn't interest you. Isn't that a stunning revelation?

The number of supported controllers per machine is four. This has been plainly explained in numerous places already. The logo button on each controller has an LED indicator so each player can quickly tell what number he's been assigned. They seem to have LAN parties covered too but those details are less clear.

The market doesn't really support the GameCube now. All it has left in the pipeline are first party titles and a handful of third party items. It's already dead in the eyes of many publishers. Still others have already set their schedule for when they'll produce their last PS2 and/or Xbox games. Any company that has been around more than three years has already seen a generational transition before and has a strategy for how to navigate it based on their strengths and weaknessess. Some companies will see the cutting edge as where they excel and will move into the new platform immediately. Others will focus on the current generation with projects that don't push the edge but are economically effective and get a boost from the strong installed bases. They'll wait until the tools are more mature and the costs of producing for the newest platforms is less intensive. Some will take a middle ground by getting a flashy next gen title out ASAP but still focusing most of their resources on current machines. After that big next gen project is launched the personnel from that group can train other in dealing with the new hardware.

There are lots of ways to go and each company has to decide for themselves.
 
That "show" was a complete waste of everyone's time. The only things I got out of it were that the new name includes "360" and the system looks like a vertical PC tower. I didn't care for the band, the faux celebrities, the lame posturing by "professional" gamers or the uninspired demos on display.

Many people have complained about the lousy cable videogame award shows that have more celebrities, rappers, etc. than gaming content, and Microsoft contributed to this whole sad state of affairs last night by actually paying for this kind of crap advertising. I was simply reminded of why I don't usually watch MTV in the first place.
 
Guess I'll slap my thoughts on the end of this massive thread. :)

I don't know if the following was already confirmed but this is what I got out of last night's show. Confirmation of:

All wireless controllers
The name Xbox 360
It's design

Here's additional stuff I got out of the IGN FAQ (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/608/608394p1.html):
It will have a HDD
Maybe support wired controllers too.
Controller design


I'm not a big fan of only wireless controllers. I like to pull my controller under a blanket with me and/or hold it low, often under the table. Most wireless controllers won't work in those situations. That honestly may be enough to keep me away from the Xbox 360 entirely. There is a rumor that it may support wired controllers in some form, so maybe I'll be satisfied. Given that the new controller has all the same buttons as the old, it's too bad IMO that they didn't just go with at least 2 standard ports so you could use your S controllers with the 360. (I wonder how much these wireless controllers will cost, $50? or more?)

Hate the name Xbox 360. 360 means you made a full circle and are back where you began. So Xbox 360 implies it's the same old Xbox. Dumb.

I guess it looked fine. Seemed barely smaller than the Xbox (due to the HDD I'd imagine) And the concave top would make it a little unstable to stack stuff on top. The Xbox has a non-flat top as well, will be a pain when they are old systems you just want to stack away on a shelf. (Of course there aren't a whole lot of systems that you can stack anyway, the old NES is one of the few, but the reason for that in most cases is because the games are top loaded...)

HDD is confirmed. That is a major plus in my book. Maybe enough for me to deal with the wireless controllers... Makes me hopeful that Sony could be planning to include the same thing. That would be awesome.

I love that they moved the white and black buttons to above the triggers. There is at least one 3rd party Xbox controller that did this and it just seems like a great idea.

Haven't seen anything on backwards compatibility for certain. Seems doubtful though?
 
Those who've been saying the display looks PC-ish should realize there is good reason for that. You've been playing video all this time on analog displays that haven't changed much since the mid 1950's, especially in resolution and scan rate. PCs have long been accustomed to digital displays using much higher resolutions and scan rates. While a massive improvement, 720p is just catching up to where PC games have been for the better part of a decade.

There are afew downsides. Some console games look remarkably good because the fuzziness of a NTSC/PAL display creates a sort of pseudo-anti-aliasing. (Id attributed this as part of how they were able to make Doom look good on the Atari Jaguar long ago.) Developers targeting HD displays won't be able to rely on some time honored tactics for making their graphics look better but this is more force of habit than necessity. They'll get over it. OTOH, it does mean they'll face choices on whether to apply extra work to rendering differently to different displays or not.
 
Still others have already set their schedule for when they'll produce their last PS2 and/or Xbox games.
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Do you see publisher's scheduling their last games for PS2 and Xbox earlier than expected? I mean, until a year or two ago, some publishers were still producing PS1 games three years after the launch of PS2. I feel that the large installation base for PS2 and Xbox is too large to stop making games for until the user base for the next gen systems is equal to the current user base of this generation.

Again my concern is that although the last two systems (DS and PSP) launches sold well initially, it seems the interest and hype has died down quicker than when PS2, Xbox, GCN, and GBA launched. I'm not sure if that's due to a lack of AAA titles for those two new handhelds but it concerns me that maybe there are too many platforms out on market to for the gaming market to sustain. Also, I wouldn't say Gamecube is completely dead, it still has a good size user base that is also extremely loyal. RE4 sold very well and I'm sure the new Zelda game will sell a lot of copies when it's finally released.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']Seriously dude, it would be a total waste of your time. Check out this link that someone else posted. It has much more info and more looks at the console itself and the controller.

http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/...ony_v1_750k.wmv[/QUOTE]

I know, I've already watched both. But I'm at work and am trying to show some of my coworkers, but the Colony clip is blocked at work. So I'm trying to find a mirror or some other site that lets me get in.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I know, I've already watched both. But I'm at work and am trying to show some of my coworkers, but the Colony clip is blocked at work. So I'm trying to find a mirror or some other site that lets me get in.[/QUOTE]

Can you grab it straight from http://www.ourcolony.net/?

It's a 30 Meg download for the High version and 11 Meg for the Low.
 
[quote name='wubb']Hate the name Xbox 360. 360 means you made a full circle and are back where you began. So Xbox 360 implies it's the same old Xbox. Dumb.
[/QUOTE]

No. 360 implies it does everything media related - DVDs, games, music, internet, etc.
 
[quote name='mmn']No. 360 implies it does everything media related - DVDs, games, music, internet, etc.[/QUOTE]

360 doesn't inherently imply anything related to media. It shows a revolution - not necessarily a circular one, which would be stupid considering it would be where it started, but a revolution in terms of "innovation". I'm not saying I buy the name though, I still think its ridiculous.
 
[quote name='basketkase543']360 doesn't inherently imply anything related to media. It shows a revolution - not necessarily a circular one, which would be stupid considering it would be where it started, but a revolution in terms of "innovation". I'm not saying I buy the name though, I still think its ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Usually when a product or website has "360" after it, it implies it does or covers everything.
 
The show sucked, but thats not going to keep me from buying Perfect Dark Zero on launch day.

And what was up with the Halo music during the Samsung commercials? I thought it was going to show Halo 3. :cry:
 
[quote name='MadFlava']Do you see publisher's scheduling their last games for PS2 and Xbox earlier than expected? I mean, until a year or two ago, some publishers were still producing PS1 games three years after the launch of PS2. I feel that the large installation base for PS2 and Xbox is too large to stop making games for until the user base for the next gen systems is equal to the current user base of this generation.

Again my concern is that although the last two systems (DS and PSP) launches sold well initially, it seems the interest and hype has died down quicker than when PS2, Xbox, GCN, and GBA launched. I'm not sure if that's due to a lack of AAA titles for those two new handhelds but it concerns me that maybe there are too many platforms out on market to for the gaming market to sustain. Also, I wouldn't say Gamecube is completely dead, it still has a good size user base that is also extremely loyal. RE4 sold very well and I'm sure the new Zelda game will sell a lot of copies when it's finally released.[/QUOTE]

Earlier than expected by WHO? None of this is coming as a surprise to any large publishers. All of the platform companies have full time evangelists who keep developers and publishers apprised of what they should know to plan for the future.

I wouldn't worry too much about DS and PSP. To my recollection every new system went through a slow period not long after the launch furor had died down but top of the line games are still a ways off. Look at what has happened in Japan with Nintendogs. A single game that caused a massive surge of new DS sales.

It isn't the market's concern whether there are too many platforms. It isn't like a building that will collapse if a single brick fails. There are winners and losers in each generation. If all of those products were targeting the exact same users there might be some serious bloodshed but the market is diverse and consumers will pick and choose. Many kids may admire the PSP but are happy with the GBA and what it offers for their budget. OTOH, many older players whose self-image wouldn't let them be seen with a GameBoy will jump on the PSP. People in the market for a street racer sports car aren't confused because numerous SUV models are also offered.

Go to EBgames and check the Coming Soon list for each platform. For a major portion of the industry the Gamecube is indeed dead. They not don't have any future titles planned, they haven't had any this year. A few first and second party (RE4) hits are fine for Nintendo but that doesn't do all that much for the platform's future. GameCube has already seen entire months recently where there were no new releases of note and the likes of RE4 don't seem to have had any significant effect on system sales to encourage publishers. Instead it appears that only the meager existing base is being served along with those who would buy a used GameCube to play a single hit game and then them as a bundle to get back most of their investment.

After Zelda, what is left? In the long term that game may do more business on the backward compatible successor to GameCube, much as Final Fatasy IX did a big business on PS2. That bridged the generational gap but unlike the ongoing flow of budget titles for the PS1 I expect new releases for the GameCube to slow nearly to a halt before Revolution is available for purchase. That is just the pain of the hole Nintendo has dug for themselves. It could be far worse. After Saturn died Sega went for a year with no platform at all. This break in continuity was one of the Dreamcast's several fatal handicaps. That long period of severe cashflow deficit left Sega unable to respond well to market changes.
 
[quote name='mmn']I disagree. Usually when a product or website has "360" after it, it implies it does or covers everything.[/QUOTE]

Well, most of the time when I hear "360" used in conversation it's when someone says "Boy he did a complete 360 on that!" (When they obviously really meant whoever it is did a complete reversal.)

The hook that it means it does everything related to media is logical, but it's not what I think of when I hear 360. Basically the above missaying is a semi-pet peeve of mine.

Personally I really liked the name Xenon, but I guess they wanted to keep Xbox in the name, which also makes sense. Would be a neat connotation to name your console after a 'noble' gas.
 
That special sucked ass. Just like I figured: A whole bunch of token black guys, the same kind MTV always exploits, trying to hype up something they obviously don't know shit about, mixed with the ever-present skinny blond party girls just there to make it look fun. It just came off as stupid, and even the MS and Rare people looked like they felt the show was totally stupid.

All the 3 second shots of games didn't get me excited at all because they looked about a half a step up from a regular Xbox game.

A prime example when advertising does the opposite of what it's intended to do.

I bet if G4 handled it, not that i love them or anything, it could've been a helluva lot better.
But MS went for the hype and the token "gangsta pimp" dudes who just spout slang instead of actually saying anything.
 
[quote name='zewone']Token black guys? What are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
Maybe he meant the Pimp My Ride Guys, there presence pissed me off since they are crap customizers, and are mere shadows to the overhaulin crew
 
[quote name='zewone']Token black guys? What are you talking about?[/QUOTE]


I'm being totally racist.
 
[quote name='Apossum']I'm being totally racist.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but I really wanted to know what black guys you are talking about? Besides the one guy from pimp your ride and the professional gamer there wasn't really any black guys.
 
[quote name='zewone']Okay, but I really wanted to know what black guys you are talking about? Besides the one guy from pimp your ride and the professional gamer there wasn't really any black guys.[/QUOTE]


the gamer dude was fine, he was there because he's a gamer. It's the announcers I'm talking about... seemed the whole time there was one of those dudes on the screen saying something like "YEEEEAHHH BOY THAT WAS TOTALLY DOPE YO 360, UH, WORD UP PERFECT DARK ZERO PRE ALPHA BUILD IN TEH HOUSE!"
 
[quote name='Apossum']the gamer dude was fine, he was there because he's a gamer. It's the announcers I'm talking about... seemed the whole time there was one of those dudes on the screen saying something like "YEEEEAHHH BOY THAT WAS TOTALLY DOPE YO 360, UH, WORD UP PERFECT DARK ZERO PRE ALPHA BUILD IN TEH HOUSE!"[/QUOTE]
Oh the guy with the dreads from MTV2 NEWS
 
[quote name='Apossum']the gamer dude was fine, he was there because he's a gamer. It's the announcers I'm talking about... seemed the whole time there was one of those dudes on the screen saying something like "YEEEEAHHH BOY THAT WAS TOTALLY DOPE YO 360, UH, WORD UP PERFECT DARK ZERO PRE ALPHA BUILD IN TEH HOUSE!"[/QUOTE]

A better word to protect yourself would be "gangsta".
 
[quote name='evilmax17']A better word to protect yourself would be "gangsta".[/QUOTE]

protect what?

i don't know if i actually need to say this, but i'm just joking about the racist thing...it's more of a comment about who mtv uses to build hype up about anything.
"Token black guys" is something people use when talking about movies and stuff all the time, and it's not like there aren't stereotypes about every culture, race, religion, ethnicity. There were also "Token blond anorexic white chicks" present. :lol:
 
[quote name='Apossum']protect, what?[/QUOTE]

Instead of saying "I hated seeing all the black guys being all what's up", you could protect yourself from being called a racist by saying "all of those gangsta guys".
 
I'm not all about glossing over stuff, just to soften a point. it's still the same point ya know?

I didn't hate seeing black guys. everybody on the show could've been freakin West African for all I care. I hated seeing mtv using them to build hype, just cause that's what's "cool." It's a style over substance issue man.
 
Or just saying what he said would work, but then again I didn't read the other post. I know what he means since those liberal type people jump on every joke or opinion of people.
 
the comment in question:

A whole bunch of token black guys, the same kind MTV always exploits,
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.....clearly about how mtv exploits various stereotypes to further their cause.
It's no different then when they had people with messy hair, cardigan sweaters, and retro shirts as MCs back when Grunge was popular. If this was back then I would've been complaining about MTV using Kurt Cobain look-alikes spouting whatever popular slang there was at the time just to build hype. :lol:

ANYWAY, HOW ABOUT THOSE LAME 3 SECOND CLIPS OF GAMEPLAY? WOO HOO? :lol:
 
This show was a joke. Even the Penny Arcade guys are calling it garbage in their online scribblings. I hope there aren't too many people that waste your time asking for copies of MTV's latest excuse for game-related programming.
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']Maybe he meant the Pimp My Ride Guys, there presence pissed me off since they are crap customizers, and are mere shadows to the overhaulin crew[/QUOTE]

Ha, yeah having a nice screen attached to an Xbox would be cool, but the paint job on that thing was butt ugly IMO.

Did anyone else laugh when the Pimp My Ride guy ended his spiel about what all they did to the Xbox with 'and got it all working!'?
 
[quote name='wubb']Ha, yeah having a nice screen attached to an Xbox would be cool, but the paint job on that thing was butt ugly IMO.

Did anyone else laugh when the Pimp My Ride guy ended his spiel about what all they did to the Xbox with 'and got it all working!'?[/QUOTE]
Had i heard that over my furious typing, i would have laughed. The only time i laughed during the show was when Frodo stated " Your about to see for the first time ever the xbox 360". My reason for laughing " Only MTV fools would have seen this for the first time, especially Frodo"
 
[quote name='wubb']Well, most of the time when I hear "360" used in conversation it's when someone says "Boy he did a complete 360 on that!" (When they obviously really meant whoever it is did a complete reversal.)

The hook that it means it does everything related to media is logical, but it's not what I think of when I hear 360. Basically the above missaying is a semi-pet peeve of mine.

Personally I really liked the name Xenon, but I guess they wanted to keep Xbox in the name, which also makes sense. Would be a neat connotation to name your console after a 'noble' gas.[/QUOTE]

When people mean a reversal they say someone did a 180. A 360 suggest you ended up where you started.

When I hear Xenon I think of the old pinball machine that made all sorts of orgasm nosies. Every once in a while, if no one was playing it, the machine would do some of its sound FX to draw attention. If we were playing the machine next to it we'd jokingly reach over and pet it to offer reassurance that we still loved it even if we with another game.

http://www.sevwave.com/early_ciani/ciani_xenon/xfiles/xenon.html
 
I think the event sucked balls. They tried to make it look to cool. I don't like the final look of the Xbox 360. When they showed all the old versions, some of them looked alot better. MTV sucks at making events. Why did they get that Wood-guy to host? I guess they pulled names out of a hat. Anyway what really pissed me off was when they had a Live(my ass) Deathmatch of Perfect Dark. They really didn't show any gameplay, just spilt-seconds. They showed more of the people going "Wow,oooo,I'm going to get you," then the game. Those Bastards!:booty:
 
[quote name='dudecool320']They really didn't show any gameplay, just spilt-seconds. They showed more of the people going "Wow,oooo,I'm going to get you," then the game.[/QUOTE]

There Logic:

"Look their having fun, who cares about what the game looks like, if their having fun you can too"
 
[quote name='javeryh']It sounds good now because it will be the first out and the most powerful until something better comes along. Reasons it could fail could be anything: lack of AAA games, inferior specs compared to competitors, high price point, etc. The xbox (besides Halo) doesn't really have any killer apps associated with it (that can't be played on anothr console). If the same games are going to appear on the PS3 or Revolution but look, play and sound better, that's not good for Microsoft. Also, Nintendo has a loyal fanbase (albeit shrinking) so all they have to do to move a few systems is release the next Mario, Zelda, SSB, or whatever. The PS3, on top of being more powerful, will most likely have the largest library of games and they are building a nice catalog of must haves with the Jak, Sly, Ratchet, God of War, Gran Turismo and GTA franchises among others. I also don't think developers are close to maxing out the xbox so everything seems a bit premature - I'm thinking the 360 is going to end up more like the xbox 1.5 than 2.0... Only time will tell...[/QUOTE]

Your kidding right? Project Gotham, Halo, KOTOR, Doom3

And yes Nintendo is shrinking...I bought a GC right after launch...I don't think I will buy another Nintendo unless they do better next gen. They really lost me this gen... So many games were released for only Xbox and PS2... And the Xbox had the best graphics...
 
[quote name='mmn']No. 360 implies it does everything media related - DVDs, games, music, internet, etc.[/QUOTE]

It's 360 meaning that you will be the center of the Xbox World. It's a community online where you control everything.
 
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