Shaq officially traded to the Heat
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They are not dumbasses. Though I believe trading Shaq is a bad move, but in the long run it could turn out to pay off. I mean think about it Shaq is not the same Shaq he once was. he's getting old and he has not been keeping as much in shape as he should. trading to the East coast was a great idea. that way, he dominates there two maybe three years at the most, but will be trounced upon by the other west coast teams.
Shaq's best bet was to stay with the lakers and maybe win another championship or two. He by himself cannot carry an entire team like M.J. who else does he have in Miami at the moment other than Eddy jones. Maybe if they pull in a couple other good role players or stars arund him, they could be the strongest team in the east if not the entire NBA, but i don't see that happening any time soon.
Shaq's best bet was to stay with the lakers and maybe win another championship or two. He by himself cannot carry an entire team like M.J. who else does he have in Miami at the moment other than Eddy jones. Maybe if they pull in a couple other good role players or stars arund him, they could be the strongest team in the east if not the entire NBA, but i don't see that happening any time soon.
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[quote name='hiccupleftovers']They are not dumbasses. Though I believe trading Shaq is a bad move, but in the long run it could turn out to pay off. I mean think about it Shaq is not the same Shaq he once was. he's getting old and he has not been keeping as much in shape as he should. trading to the East coast was a great idea. that way, he dominates there two maybe three years at the most, but will be trounced upon by the other west coast teams.
Shaq's best bet was to stay with the lakers and maybe win another championship or two. He by himself cannot carry an entire team like M.J. who else does he have in Miami at the moment other than Eddy jones. Maybe if they pull in a couple other good role players or stars arund him, they could be the strongest team in the east if not the entire NBA, but i don't see that happening any time soon.[/quote]
Ummm, does Dwayne Wade ring a bell?
Shaq's best bet was to stay with the lakers and maybe win another championship or two. He by himself cannot carry an entire team like M.J. who else does he have in Miami at the moment other than Eddy jones. Maybe if they pull in a couple other good role players or stars arund him, they could be the strongest team in the east if not the entire NBA, but i don't see that happening any time soon.[/quote]
Ummm, does Dwayne Wade ring a bell?
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[quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.
The Lakers are alread downfallen.
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']They are not dumbasses. Though I believe trading Shaq is a bad move, but in the long run it could turn out to pay off. I mean think about it Shaq is not the same Shaq he once was. he's getting old and he has not been keeping as much in shape as he should. trading to the East coast was a great idea. that way, he dominates there two maybe three years at the most, but will be trounced upon by the other west coast teams.[/quote]
Yes, they are dumbasses. In the long run this may not work out for the Heat but that is irrelevant - it is definitely not going to work out for the Lakers. There are at least 5 teams in the West who are clearly better than the Lakers are now without Shaq. If you have a chance to win it all in any sport you go for it - the Lakers, with Kobe and Shaq, had that opportunity every year. Now they don't. The Lakers are dumbasses.
Yes, they are dumbasses. In the long run this may not work out for the Heat but that is irrelevant - it is definitely not going to work out for the Lakers. There are at least 5 teams in the West who are clearly better than the Lakers are now without Shaq. If you have a chance to win it all in any sport you go for it - the Lakers, with Kobe and Shaq, had that opportunity every year. Now they don't. The Lakers are dumbasses.
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[quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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[quote name='javeryh'][quote name='hiccupleftovers']They are not dumbasses. Though I believe trading Shaq is a bad move, but in the long run it could turn out to pay off. I mean think about it Shaq is not the same Shaq he once was. he's getting old and he has not been keeping as much in shape as he should. trading to the East coast was a great idea. that way, he dominates there two maybe three years at the most, but will be trounced upon by the other west coast teams.[/quote]
Yes, they are dumbasses. In the long run this may not work out for the Heat but that is irrelevant - it is definitely not going to work out for the Lakers. There are at least 5 teams in the West who are clearly better than the Lakers are now without Shaq. If you have a chance to win it all in any sport you go for it - the Lakers, with Kobe and Shaq, had that opportunity every year. Now they don't. The Lakers are dumbasses.[/quote]
I think they could have fixed the relationship with Shaq. Plus, why trade Shaq when there's a possibility that Kobe is going to be locked up and there's no guarantee that Kobe is even going to resign with the Lakers. The Clippers are making trades to clear up cap room so they can offer him more money.
If I was Kobe, I'd be considering the Clippers. The Lakers are a sinking ship right now. Payton wants out, too. God, I love it!
Yes, they are dumbasses. In the long run this may not work out for the Heat but that is irrelevant - it is definitely not going to work out for the Lakers. There are at least 5 teams in the West who are clearly better than the Lakers are now without Shaq. If you have a chance to win it all in any sport you go for it - the Lakers, with Kobe and Shaq, had that opportunity every year. Now they don't. The Lakers are dumbasses.
[/quote]I think they could have fixed the relationship with Shaq. Plus, why trade Shaq when there's a possibility that Kobe is going to be locked up and there's no guarantee that Kobe is even going to resign with the Lakers. The Clippers are making trades to clear up cap room so they can offer him more money.
If I was Kobe, I'd be considering the Clippers. The Lakers are a sinking ship right now. Payton wants out, too. God, I love it!
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[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='hiccupleftovers']They are not dumbasses. Though I believe trading Shaq is a bad move, but in the long run it could turn out to pay off. I mean think about it Shaq is not the same Shaq he once was. he's getting old and he has not been keeping as much in shape as he should. trading to the East coast was a great idea. that way, he dominates there two maybe three years at the most, but will be trounced upon by the other west coast teams.
Shaq's best bet was to stay with the lakers and maybe win another championship or two. He by himself cannot carry an entire team like M.J. who else does he have in Miami at the moment other than Eddy jones. Maybe if they pull in a couple other good role players or stars arund him, they could be the strongest team in the east if not the entire NBA, but i don't see that happening any time soon.[/quote]
Ummm, does Dwayne Wade ring a bell?[/quote]
Forgot about dwayne Wade, but do you think that still gives them enough of a chance to face the other teams. I don't know which Shaq you saw out there on the court but he is starting to look old, he was trampled on by Ben Wallace.
Shaq's best bet was to stay with the lakers and maybe win another championship or two. He by himself cannot carry an entire team like M.J. who else does he have in Miami at the moment other than Eddy jones. Maybe if they pull in a couple other good role players or stars arund him, they could be the strongest team in the east if not the entire NBA, but i don't see that happening any time soon.[/quote]
Ummm, does Dwayne Wade ring a bell?[/quote]
Forgot about dwayne Wade, but do you think that still gives them enough of a chance to face the other teams. I don't know which Shaq you saw out there on the court but he is starting to look old, he was trampled on by Ben Wallace.
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[quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL']Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Great joke.. but what's the punchline?
Great joke.. but what's the punchline?
man I think this is a smart move for the lakers, Shaq was going to be gone anyways so getting all those good players for him was smart. Butler is a rising star, Odom can be very good, Grants not anything special but hes ok, and that 1st round pick could also turn out to be a star. I see it as a bad move in the long run for the Heat, They had a good core fo young players and there trading away 2 of the better one's for a veteran who will only be there 2 years tops.
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[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='javeryh'][quote name='hiccupleftovers']They are not dumbasses. Though I believe trading Shaq is a bad move, but in the long run it could turn out to pay off. I mean think about it Shaq is not the same Shaq he once was. he's getting old and he has not been keeping as much in shape as he should. trading to the East coast was a great idea. that way, he dominates there two maybe three years at the most, but will be trounced upon by the other west coast teams.[/quote]
Yes, they are dumbasses. In the long run this may not work out for the Heat but that is irrelevant - it is definitely not going to work out for the Lakers. There are at least 5 teams in the West who are clearly better than the Lakers are now without Shaq. If you have a chance to win it all in any sport you go for it - the Lakers, with Kobe and Shaq, had that opportunity every year. Now they don't. The Lakers are dumbasses.[/quote]
I think they could have fixed the relationship with Shaq. Plus, why trade Shaq when there's a possibility that Kobe is going to be locked up and there's no guarantee that Kobe is even going to resign with the Lakers. The Clippers are making trades to clear up cap room so they can offer him more money.
If I was Kobe, I'd be considering the Clippers. The Lakers are a sinking ship right now. Payton wants out, too. God, I love it![/quote]
If Kobe knows what's ood for him, he'll stay with the Lakers. think about it, the Clippers have a curse on them with horrible management to boot. He only start to decrease. the clippers only want him so that they sell some seats not to win. Larry Brown took that team to the playoffs many years ago, which is a miracle. Oh yaeh about Kobe being locked up, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty??? Hmmmm......
Yes, they are dumbasses. In the long run this may not work out for the Heat but that is irrelevant - it is definitely not going to work out for the Lakers. There are at least 5 teams in the West who are clearly better than the Lakers are now without Shaq. If you have a chance to win it all in any sport you go for it - the Lakers, with Kobe and Shaq, had that opportunity every year. Now they don't. The Lakers are dumbasses.
[/quote]I think they could have fixed the relationship with Shaq. Plus, why trade Shaq when there's a possibility that Kobe is going to be locked up and there's no guarantee that Kobe is even going to resign with the Lakers. The Clippers are making trades to clear up cap room so they can offer him more money.
If I was Kobe, I'd be considering the Clippers. The Lakers are a sinking ship right now. Payton wants out, too. God, I love it![/quote]
If Kobe knows what's ood for him, he'll stay with the Lakers. think about it, the Clippers have a curse on them with horrible management to boot. He only start to decrease. the clippers only want him so that they sell some seats not to win. Larry Brown took that team to the playoffs many years ago, which is a miracle. Oh yaeh about Kobe being locked up, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty??? Hmmmm......
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[quote name='daphatty']Dwayne Wade and Eddie Jones. Miami is now a force to be reckoned with. Now if only Stan Van Gundy knew what to do with all of that talent.[/quote]
I dunno, they made the playoffs last season, and who else is in their division?
New Jersey
New York
Boston
Philadelphia
Washington
Orlando
Not neccessarily a powerhouse division, eh?
I dunno, they made the playoffs last season, and who else is in their division?
New Jersey
New York
Boston
Philadelphia
Washington
Orlando
Not neccessarily a powerhouse division, eh?
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[quote name='tyecko']man I think this is a smart move for the lakers, Shaq was going to be gone anyways so getting all those good players for him was smart. Butler is a rising star, Odom can be very good, Grants not anything special but hes ok, and that 1st round pick could also turn out to be a star. I see it as a bad move in the long run for the Heat, They had a good core fo young players and there trading away 2 of the better one's for a veteran who will only be there 2 years tops.[/quote]
Exactly
Exactly
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Nooooooooooooooooo, oh well I'll follow shaq anywhere. From Magic to Lakers to Heat. At least he'll be with eddie jones again.
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='daphatty']Dwayne Wade and Eddie Jones. Miami is now a force to be reckoned with. Now if only Stan Van Gundy knew what to do with all of that talent.[/quote]
I dunno, they made the playoffs last season, and who else is in their division?
New Jersey
New York
Boston
Philadelphia
Washington
Orlando
Not neccessarily a powerhouse division, eh?[/quote]
With the divisional realignment the Heat will now play in the Southeast Division with Atlanta, Charlotte, Orlando, and Washington.
It's a great move for Miami, they gave up less talent for the best center in the league. If Shaq proves he's about winning and shapes up this off season, they could be dangerous. Otherwise, they just gave up their entire front court for an aging big man with no work ethic.
As for the Lakers, all I can say is they better be sure they're signing Kobe. If they manage to lose him to the Clips, the'll have nothing. Even with him, they're still going to struggle next season as many west teams have beefed up their rosters(Utah, Denver, Houston, San Antonio). It's too bad egos get in the way of winning. With Kobe and Shaq working together, they were great.
I dunno, they made the playoffs last season, and who else is in their division?
New Jersey
New York
Boston
Philadelphia
Washington
Orlando
Not neccessarily a powerhouse division, eh?[/quote]
With the divisional realignment the Heat will now play in the Southeast Division with Atlanta, Charlotte, Orlando, and Washington.
It's a great move for Miami, they gave up less talent for the best center in the league. If Shaq proves he's about winning and shapes up this off season, they could be dangerous. Otherwise, they just gave up their entire front court for an aging big man with no work ethic.
As for the Lakers, all I can say is they better be sure they're signing Kobe. If they manage to lose him to the Clips, the'll have nothing. Even with him, they're still going to struggle next season as many west teams have beefed up their rosters(Utah, Denver, Houston, San Antonio). It's too bad egos get in the way of winning. With Kobe and Shaq working together, they were great.
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[quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
In the words of BigNick "Kings Suck" When was the last time the kings threepeated much less won a title or made the finals? If Lakers are downfallen what the hell are the kings or any other team for that fact besides san antonio and detroit?
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
In the words of BigNick "Kings Suck" When was the last time the kings threepeated much less won a title or made the finals? If Lakers are downfallen what the hell are the kings or any other team for that fact besides san antonio and detroit?
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[quote name='javeryh']The Heat acquired O'Neal in exchange for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant and a first-round pick. The Lakers are dumbasses.[/quote]
they are not dumbasses, that was the best deal for the squad and I'm sure the Lakers front management knows what they are doing
they are not dumbasses, that was the best deal for the squad and I'm sure the Lakers front management knows what they are doing
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Miami is the only place beside New York that has the celebs and glitz that LA had. It didn't surprise me to see him go there.
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[quote name='Fatesealer'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL']Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Great joke.. but what's the punchline?[/quote]
Sad thing is, it's not a joke.
[quote name='rjblazed'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
In the words of BigNick "Kings Suck" When was the last time the kings threepeated much less won a title or made the finals? If Lakers are downfallen what the hell are the kings or any other team for that fact besides san antonio and detroit?[/quote]
Lakers are a joke. In the 2002 Game 6 Western Conference Finals, the Lakers had a 4th quarter free throw run. They shot 27 free throws in the 4th quarter alone.
Great joke.. but what's the punchline?
[/quote]Sad thing is, it's not a joke.
[quote name='rjblazed'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
In the words of BigNick "Kings Suck" When was the last time the kings threepeated much less won a title or made the finals? If Lakers are downfallen what the hell are the kings or any other team for that fact besides san antonio and detroit?[/quote]
Lakers are a joke. In the 2002 Game 6 Western Conference Finals, the Lakers had a 4th quarter free throw run. They shot 27 free throws in the 4th quarter alone.
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[quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Fatesealer'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL']Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Great joke.. but what's the punchline?[/quote]
Sad thing is, it's not a joke.
[quote name='rjblazed'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
In the words of BigNick "Kings Suck" When was the last time the kings threepeated much less won a title or made the finals? If Lakers are downfallen what the hell are the kings or any other team for that fact besides san antonio and detroit?[/quote]
Lakers are a joke. In the 2002 Game 6 Western Conference Finals, the Lakers had a 4th quarter free throw run. They shot 27 free throws in the 4th quarter alone.[/quote]
I think you forgot to answer my question of what have the kings ever done much less the last 5 years?
Great joke.. but what's the punchline?
[/quote]Sad thing is, it's not a joke.
[quote name='rjblazed'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
In the words of BigNick "Kings Suck" When was the last time the kings threepeated much less won a title or made the finals? If Lakers are downfallen what the hell are the kings or any other team for that fact besides san antonio and detroit?[/quote]
Lakers are a joke. In the 2002 Game 6 Western Conference Finals, the Lakers had a 4th quarter free throw run. They shot 27 free throws in the 4th quarter alone.[/quote]
I think you forgot to answer my question of what have the kings ever done much less the last 5 years?
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[quote name='rjblazed'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Fatesealer'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL']Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Great joke.. but what's the punchline?[/quote]
Sad thing is, it's not a joke.
[quote name='rjblazed'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
In the words of BigNick "Kings Suck" When was the last time the kings threepeated much less won a title or made the finals? If Lakers are downfallen what the hell are the kings or any other team for that fact besides san antonio and detroit?[/quote]
Lakers are a joke. In the 2002 Game 6 Western Conference Finals, the Lakers had a 4th quarter free throw run. They shot 27 free throws in the 4th quarter alone.[/quote]
I think you forgot to answer my question of what have the kings ever done much less the last 5 years?[/quote]
Lose
Great joke.. but what's the punchline?
[/quote]Sad thing is, it's not a joke.
[quote name='rjblazed'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
In the words of BigNick "Kings Suck" When was the last time the kings threepeated much less won a title or made the finals? If Lakers are downfallen what the hell are the kings or any other team for that fact besides san antonio and detroit?[/quote]
Lakers are a joke. In the 2002 Game 6 Western Conference Finals, the Lakers had a 4th quarter free throw run. They shot 27 free throws in the 4th quarter alone.[/quote]
I think you forgot to answer my question of what have the kings ever done much less the last 5 years?[/quote]
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I think you forgot to answer my question of what have the kings ever done much less the last 5 years?[/quote]
I think the new question is what are the Lakers going to do for the next 5 years without Shaq and Kobe.
[quote name='anth0ny']Lose[/quote]
Same answer.
I think you forgot to answer my question of what have the kings ever done much less the last 5 years?[/quote]
I think the new question is what are the Lakers going to do for the next 5 years without Shaq and Kobe.
[quote name='anth0ny']Lose[/quote]
Same answer.
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go heat baby!!!!!!
i will miss odom and butler...thats alot of talent going over there
i will miss odom and butler...thats alot of talent going over there
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[quote name='magilacudy'][quote name='rjblazed']
I think you forgot to answer my question of what have the kings ever done much less the last 5 years?[/quote]
I think the new question is what are the Lakers going to do for the next 5 years without Shaq and Kobe.
[quote name='anth0ny']Lose[/quote]
Same answer.[/quote]
Remains to be seen but we do know what has happend in the past 5 years and history isn't looking good for the kings. Lakers can be good with 2 more years of free agents. Almost any free agent would want to play in LA before most any other city besides new york.
I think you forgot to answer my question of what have the kings ever done much less the last 5 years?[/quote]
I think the new question is what are the Lakers going to do for the next 5 years without Shaq and Kobe.
[quote name='anth0ny']Lose[/quote]
Same answer.[/quote]
Remains to be seen but we do know what has happend in the past 5 years and history isn't looking good for the kings. Lakers can be good with 2 more years of free agents. Almost any free agent would want to play in LA before most any other city besides new york.
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I can't believe Rafe Alston jumped to Toronto. He would've provided some good backup or played 1 guard to Wade's 2.
As for Butler and Odom, that leaves a gaping hole in the lineup. I hope they sign some more players or Heat might be forced to play ZhiZhi Wang. :shock:
As for Butler and Odom, that leaves a gaping hole in the lineup. I hope they sign some more players or Heat might be forced to play ZhiZhi Wang. :shock:
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[quote name='rjblazed']Remains to be seen but we do know what has happend in the past 5 years and history isn't looking good for the kings. Lakers can be good with 2 more years of free agents. Almost any free agent would want to play in LA before most any other city besides new york.[/quote]
I don't know about that. Do the names Kareem and Wilt ring a bell? i.e. Centers who were traded by LA for chump change. History isn't looking too good for the current Lakers.
I don't know about that. Do the names Kareem and Wilt ring a bell? i.e. Centers who were traded by LA for chump change. History isn't looking too good for the current Lakers.
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[quote name='daphatty']Dwayne Wade and Eddie Jones. Miami is now a force to be reckoned with. Now if only Stan Van Gundy knew what to do with all of that talent.[/quote]
Stan Van Gundy turned that team around completely last year and they were one of the hottest teams near the end of the season. The fact is this man knows how to coach. He took the Heat for a great run in his first year as head coach and got them deep into the second round, not even Pat Riley could get that team into the playoffs for the past few years. I would say they did oputstanding when you remember that Dwayne Wade was a rookie and they rode his back throughout the playoffs. He was the rookie of the year, Carmello and LeBron just got all the hype.
Also as either Stepen A. Smith or Jim Grey pointed out, how many all-star games have Brian Grant, Lamar Odom, and Caron Butler been to? By trading for Shaq, the Heat set themselves up for success. They play in a really weak division and conference, where there are no big men(aside from the pistons).
Anyone who thinks this was a good trade for the Lakers is an idiot! Since Jerry West left that organization has been slowly sinking. Jerry Buss has show he wanted to run around and be an idiot and it is working. The fact that he thinks a guard is worth keeping over the most dominant player shows you how dumb the Lakers orginazation is.
Did anyone see the ESPN interview? What did Shaq say repeatedly? "Why do you get rid of a coach who through all types of turmoil got you to 4 NBA finals in 5 years?"
Stan Van Gundy turned that team around completely last year and they were one of the hottest teams near the end of the season. The fact is this man knows how to coach. He took the Heat for a great run in his first year as head coach and got them deep into the second round, not even Pat Riley could get that team into the playoffs for the past few years. I would say they did oputstanding when you remember that Dwayne Wade was a rookie and they rode his back throughout the playoffs. He was the rookie of the year, Carmello and LeBron just got all the hype.
Also as either Stepen A. Smith or Jim Grey pointed out, how many all-star games have Brian Grant, Lamar Odom, and Caron Butler been to? By trading for Shaq, the Heat set themselves up for success. They play in a really weak division and conference, where there are no big men(aside from the pistons).
Anyone who thinks this was a good trade for the Lakers is an idiot! Since Jerry West left that organization has been slowly sinking. Jerry Buss has show he wanted to run around and be an idiot and it is working. The fact that he thinks a guard is worth keeping over the most dominant player shows you how dumb the Lakers orginazation is.
Did anyone see the ESPN interview? What did Shaq say repeatedly? "Why do you get rid of a coach who through all types of turmoil got you to 4 NBA finals in 5 years?"
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[quote name='magilacudy'][quote name='rjblazed']Remains to be seen but we do know what has happend in the past 5 years and history isn't looking good for the kings. Lakers can be good with 2 more years of free agents. Almost any free agent would want to play in LA before most any other city besides new york.[/quote]
I don't know about that. Do the names Kareem and Wilt ring a bell? i.e. Centers who were traded by LA for chump change. History isn't looking too good for the current Lakers.[/quote]
True but my point is they rebounded and were much better than the kings with in a couple years. I'm not saying they're going to win championships just that they will be better than the kings in 3 years or so.
I don't know about that. Do the names Kareem and Wilt ring a bell? i.e. Centers who were traded by LA for chump change. History isn't looking too good for the current Lakers.[/quote]
True but my point is they rebounded and were much better than the kings with in a couple years. I'm not saying they're going to win championships just that they will be better than the kings in 3 years or so.
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[quote name='rjblazed']True but my point is they rebounded and were much better than the kings with in a couple years. I'm not saying they're going to win championships just that they will be better than the kings in 3 years or so.[/quote]
Well that was with competent management, which the Kings only started to have within the last decade, and the Lakers lost (when Jerry West went to Memphis).
I think its a toss-up who will be 'better'. However, in the short term, the Kings (and many other western conferences teams) look like they'll have an edge over LA which will be in rebuilding mode for years to come, especially in the toughest division in the NBA. I'm not saying that as a broad generalization but a supported inference.
Well that was with competent management, which the Kings only started to have within the last decade, and the Lakers lost (when Jerry West went to Memphis).
I think its a toss-up who will be 'better'. However, in the short term, the Kings (and many other western conferences teams) look like they'll have an edge over LA which will be in rebuilding mode for years to come, especially in the toughest division in the NBA. I'm not saying that as a broad generalization but a supported inference.
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[quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Umm how can one ALWAYS be in a downfall? doesn't downfall by defn mean coming down from a lofty point?
or is the Kings propaganda machine taking over
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Umm how can one ALWAYS be in a downfall? doesn't downfall by defn mean coming down from a lofty point?
or is the Kings propaganda machine taking over
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Maybe I missed it but has no one talked about the Basketball gods getting their revenge on the blasphemers? With Payton and Malone signing for cheap to "automatically win" a championship and then in the series basically the whole thing imploding with 1) Payton sucking 2) Malone getting hurt (which he had hardly ever done) 3) Shaq.. demanding a trade after the crap year. 4) Kobe.. rape/clippers.. take your pick 5) Luke Walton being talked about as a big perfomer, 6) Phil Jackson (I only coach when it is a sure thing) gets canned/resigned.. and now the Lakers face a very uncertain future..
AHh everything comes back into balance..
AHh everything comes back into balance..
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They could always get rid of Rudy T and bring back Kurt Rambis as coach... ::sarcasm::
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[quote name='Lootr2Core']Maybe I missed it but has no one talked about the Basketball gods getting their revenge on the blasphemers? With Payton and Malone signing for cheap to "automatically win" a championship and then in the series basically the whole thing imploding with 1) Payton sucking 2) Malone getting hurt (which he had hardly ever done) 3) Shaq.. demanding a trade after the crap year. 4) Kobe.. rape/clippers.. take your pick 5) Luke Walton being talked about as a big perfomer, 6) Phil Jackson (I only coach when it is a sure thing) gets canned/resigned.. and now the Lakers face a very uncertain future..
AHh everything comes back into balance..[/quote]
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[quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Umm how can one ALWAYS be in a downfall? doesn't downfall by defn mean coming down from a lofty point?
or is the Kings propaganda machine taking over[/quote]
Yea if they've been on a downfall i can't wait to see what they do when they reach the top maybe 7 or 8 titles in a row lol.
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Umm how can one ALWAYS be in a downfall? doesn't downfall by defn mean coming down from a lofty point?
or is the Kings propaganda machine taking over
[/quote]Yea if they've been on a downfall i can't wait to see what they do when they reach the top maybe 7 or 8 titles in a row lol.
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This is not the Lakers' fault, it's Shaq. Unlike other stars like Garnett and Duncan who took a pay cut to allow their teams to acquire talent, Shaq's contract pays him about $30 million PER year the next two years. We have seen Shaq's numbers decline over the past couple seasons while his weight grows. But, rather than sign an contract extension for a fair amount (the Lakers offered $22.5 million per year) Shaq actually wanted a pay RAISE for 3-4 years from now, when he's well on the decline. The reason why the Lakers lost to the Pistons was because they didn't have anyone on the bench, because of Shaq's fat contract eating up 2/3 of the entire roster.
He has not played more than 67 regular season games the last few seasons because of injuries, and it's only going to get worse. One season ending injury and the Heat will be done for the year. Shaq has a couple good years left in him and then he will be just like Hakeem and Ewing past their prime.
The Lakers made a tough decision, but the right decision. They're paying the 25 year old superstar who will still only make HALF of what the aging Shaq was asking. Shaq will be retired for years while Kobe is in his peak playing for the Lakers, with better talent around him because of the lack of a 37 year old Shaq and his fat contract.
He has not played more than 67 regular season games the last few seasons because of injuries, and it's only going to get worse. One season ending injury and the Heat will be done for the year. Shaq has a couple good years left in him and then he will be just like Hakeem and Ewing past their prime.
The Lakers made a tough decision, but the right decision. They're paying the 25 year old superstar who will still only make HALF of what the aging Shaq was asking. Shaq will be retired for years while Kobe is in his peak playing for the Lakers, with better talent around him because of the lack of a 37 year old Shaq and his fat contract.
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[quote name='rjblazed'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='oNeWiNgEdAnGeL'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='StealthySeal']w00t this will be the downfall of the lakers[/quote]
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Umm how can one ALWAYS be in a downfall? doesn't downfall by defn mean coming down from a lofty point?
or is the Kings propaganda machine taking over[/quote]
Yea if they've been on a downfall i can't wait to see what they do when they reach the top maybe 7 or 8 titles in a row lol.[/quote]
I bet most teams wish they were in that "supposed' downfall
The Lakers are alread downfallen.[/quote]
Lakers were always in a downfall.
Funny thing now is, Lakers want to get Vlade Divac. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Umm how can one ALWAYS be in a downfall? doesn't downfall by defn mean coming down from a lofty point?
or is the Kings propaganda machine taking over
[/quote]Yea if they've been on a downfall i can't wait to see what they do when they reach the top maybe 7 or 8 titles in a row lol.[/quote]
I bet most teams wish they were in that "supposed' downfall
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i dont get why people conclude that the Lakers got rid of Phil. I commend him for the great run (4 finals in 5 years) but he was not looking forward to come back. He wasnt fired ; only wasnt invited back. He asked for the huge contract extension because he knows no one in the right mind would fulfill it. So he retired and went back to Montana.
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