should i join the pc side?

Do you think I would be better off spending the extra cash for this http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-1312731-10446076?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FComboDealDetails.aspx%3FItemList%3DCombo.320289
or should I get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128419 and this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103681

EDIT: I am thinking why get the usb 3.0 motherboard now when nothing hardly supports it yet and upgrade to it later after all
after getting all that i still would need:
hard drive
ram
os
graphics card
wireless card
mouse and keyboard
 
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[quote name='zaff2000']Do you think I would be better off spending the extra cash for this http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-1312...t/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.320289
or should I get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128419 and this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103681

EDIT: I am thinking why get the usb 3.0 motherboard now when nothing hardly supports it yet and upgrade to it later after all
after getting all that i still would need:
hard drive
ram
os
graphics card
wireless card
mouse and keyboard[/QUOTE]

The latter seem fine.
 
The only expensive thing now i have to find is ram. Do you think i should buy windows xp oem cd for 55 and hard drive for 55 or use the 40 gb from a old emachine that already has windows xp? I have a spare disc drive so i don't have to buy one.
I also have a draft 802.11n usb drive, but it doesnt reach the wireless n router do you think i should buy a new adapter or just a booster antenna?
Thanks for the help so far.
 
[quote name='zaff2000']The only expensive thing now i have to find is ram. Do you think i should buy windows xp oem cd for 55 and hard drive for 55 or use the 40 gb from a old emachine that already has windows xp? I have a spare disc drive so i don't have to buy one.
I also have a draft 802.11n usb drive, but it doesnt reach the wireless n router do you think i should buy a new adapter or just a booster antenna?
Thanks for the help so far.[/QUOTE]

Your XP installation from emachines PC will most likely be linked to the motherboard from that PC. Therefore, it won't work once moved to another PC.

If I were you, I'd go for Windows 7. If you're a student, or know someone who is, you should be able to get it for $30.


All this talk makes me want to ditch my macbook for a gaming PC / netbook combo. I'll probably do that after grad school.
 
[quote name='zaff2000']The only expensive thing now i have to find is ram. Do you think i should buy windows xp oem cd for 55 and hard drive for 55 or use the 40 gb from a old emachine that already has windows xp? I have a spare disc drive so i don't have to buy one.[/QUOTE]

I would advise getting a new hard drive only because your 40GB hard drive is likely to be extremely slow by today's hard drive standard. A good 500GB Samsung F3 or Seagate 7200.12 drive can have a sustained read of about 100MB/s, whereas the old 40GB may top out at 25MB/s. That's 4x the read speed.

[quote name='zaff2000']I also have a draft 802.11n usb drive, but it doesnt reach the wireless n router do you think i should buy a new adapter or just a booster antenna?
Thanks for the help so far.[/QUOTE]

If your router has an external antenna, you can try this free/near free method before buying anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUTT8wdN_VA
 
[quote name='sealionnn']I was considering switching over myself, but then I remembered that PC games are spent once you use that cd key, so there's no trading/selling after you're done with a game. Though PC gaming is prob better because of graphics and customization if you aren't worried about that extra money that you'll spend in the long run. I guess I'm just a true CAG. ;)[/QUOTE]
Actuallythat is only if the CD key is tied to an account AKA steam. Other wise you are fine to trade and sell. Also if the game is single player than having a unique CD key doesn't even matter.
 
[quote name='zaff2000']Hey megazell, can you tell me how to find a good graphics card?
I actually am trying to find all the pc components to make a budget and if i can find it all for the right price ill probably go ahead,get the parts and build it.
I couldn't find no computer shows around here in louisiana though so I can't get dirt cheap prices for high end products.[/QUOTE]

You should also look here, updated a week ago.

Also, consider the ATI 5670, a $100 card with complete Directx11 compatibility.

Megazell's suggestion of tossing a 9400 GT in there sounds pretty cute, but I do suggest a beefier card, just for gaming's sake.

EDIT: Just saw your final pick for a graphics card, and it's a fairly solid choice. RumaruDrathas approves. As for usb 3.0; I'm in the "future proofing" camp of system builders, and I say go for it, if you could find a board that's reasonably priced, without skimping out on other key areas. Then again, you could always opt to pick up an add-on card later on, and stick with usb2.0 for now and save yourself the cash. As for the OS, Windows 7 is a fairly solid choice, and XP is fast becoming antiquated, especially in the realm of the latest/greatest in gaming. I cannot suggest buying XP, even for budget reasons. Again, future-proof and pony up for Win 7.
 
Reasons I came back to computer gaming (after a stint of :ps2:/:360:):
1) System is upgradeable (to a degree).
2) Games are cheaper than console version.
3) Games are usually superior to console version (graphics, controls).
4) Mods. Mods. Mods.
5) Fair degree of backwards compatibility (may have to tweak settings or run in some emulation mode).
 
I will probally edit this post but for now here's what i found:
case and psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156137 - 39.99
graphics card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125277 - 59.99
ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104151 - 57.99
hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136358 - 54.99
motherboard and cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.316251 - 95.99

Totaling up to about 310 after rebates. I might be able to get a few dollars extra in my budget. I found about 7 pieces of ram, some network cards, and parts from 2 old computers. I think it's a shame it costs less for me to buy a 500 gb hard drive than buying 2 gbs of ram.
 
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[quote name='zaff2000']I will probally edit this post but for now here's what i found:
case and psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156137 - 39.99
graphics card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125277 - 59.99
ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104151 - 57.99
hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136358 - 54.99
motherboard and cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.316251 - 95.99[/QUOTE]

Sounds good but you may need to stick with some of the other Windows experts here for advise. I can find deals and I build my own machines but I don't go out of my way to get an expensive card. On top of that, I becoming more of a Linux user...once I ride the wheels off of XP. My home will be 100% Linux. I love the way the games run on that OS and I love the features of it.
 
Well I would like to use linux because it would save me 100 bucks, but I didn't think you could get games to run on it designed for windows like crysis.
 
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[quote name='zaff2000']Well I would like to use linux because it would save me 100 bucks, but I didn't think you could get games to run on it designed for windows like crysis.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Crysis has a Linux version but there are a lot of other games on it.

One of my current favorites is Nexuiz which is a great FPS shooter. It's on my list of 'Free And Legal PC Games.'

Personally, I would dual boot so you can get your feet wet in Linux. I am still sort of new but I am slowly moving on it fast.
 
[quote name='zaff2000']
Totaling up to about 310 after rebates. I might be able to get a few dollars extra in my budget. I found about 7 pieces of ram, some network cards, and parts from 2 old computers. I think it's a shame it costs less for me to buy a 500 gb hard drive than buying 2 gbs of ram.[/QUOTE]

Ram is indeed expensive. My brother just bought a 1TB hard drive for under $100, and yet paid $140 on 6gb ram kit.
 
[quote name='rumarudrathas']Ram is indeed expensive. My brother just bought a 1TB hard drive for under $100, and yet paid $140 on 6gb ram kit.[/QUOTE]

When there are sales on RAM...I find myself buying it just to have them. If I don't use them I can always sell them to a friend at cost.
 
[quote name='Megazell']When there are sales on RAM...I find myself buying it just to have them. If I don't use them I can always sell them to a friend at cost.[/QUOTE]

The problem now is even when the RAMs are on sale, they're still much more expensive than what they were a year ago. It really drives up the cost of budget computers by $50 or so.

This Corsair 4GB DDR3 for $70 after rebate is probably the cheapest in-store price I've seen in a while.
 
Today I am going to try to go to a local computer shop and try to sell them all my old computer stuff im hoping for 50 or more. I am trying to find some better deals because i still would have to buy windows and I really want to find room in the budget to buy a nice LCD monitor because I still have a CRT monitor.
 
[quote name='zaff2000']Today I am going to try to go to a local computer shop and try to sell them all my old computer stuff im hoping for 50 or more. I am trying to find some better deals because i still would have to buy windows and I really want to find room in the budget to buy a nice LCD monitor because I still have a CRT monitor.[/QUOTE]

If you are in the US and you don't get a good price. Donate your tech to a local school or charity. Use the receipt for tax deductions.
 
Traded in my ram got 10.00 for it also gave them some other stuff for free.
Got a case for 20 had a very small dent came with 500watt power supply and 2 fans.
Better deal for 20 less
 
[quote name='zaff2000']Traded in my ram got 10.00 for it also gave them some other stuff for free.
Got a case for 20 had a very small dent came with 500watt power supply and 2 fans.
Better deal for 20 less[/QUOTE]

Be careful with power supply. It may have 500w, but it may still be shitty. I don't have good knowledge of them, but someone around here could tell you if its sufficient.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']I'm coming back to the PC side since my second :360: crapped out on me again.[/QUOTE]

From November of last year to Jan of this year...that's all I see on FB status of friends and family all over the world.

Their X-Box died again. (48)

Their PS3 died. (12)

Welcome back. Hope you survive the experience!
 
[quote name='Megazell']From November of last year to Jan of this year...that's all I see on FB status of friends and family all over the world.

Their X-Box died again. (48)

Their PS3 died. (12)

Welcome back. Hope you survive the experience![/QUOTE]

That brought a tear to my eye. Oh powerful Sony Gods, please don't kill off my BC PS3.
 
Megazell, do you play any modern AAA games? Things like COD4/MW2, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, etc. I'm curious about how they run on your rigs.
 
i didnt read the thread but honestly pc gaming in pretty poor shape atm

i'll put it this way,
i got a pimped out oced i7 pc but a few months ago i ended up having to get a ps3. Why? due to lack of game releases. pc does have the most games but most those games have released slowly over the years and if you notice those steam sells, it's on games that have been out for over 3 years. sure there are a few good games here and there and i get those, but overall it's just online shooters, wow, and 2 year later console ports(last year was pretty much dragonage and batman).

that said , the graphics just own the crap out of consoles. in this day in age the couch thing isn't much of an issues now since a pc can easily hook up to a tv with an hdmi cable. my jaw still drops when i oc my pc to about 4.3g for crysis and play that game close to maxed out. i dont think physics will be that good even on the next wave of consoles. main problem pc really has is the lack of support since all devs see is $ in the consoles


so anyways id get a a pc but use it for other things, hulu, porn, torretns, chat and try to game here and there when you can find a good game for it. just dont expect to be gaming on it all the time like you would be on a console. :)
 
[quote name='rumarudrathas']That brought a tear to my eye. Oh powerful Sony Gods, please don't kill off my BC PS3.[/QUOTE]

My blu-ray drive died after 1 yr and less than 10hrs of use in 2008. It was repaired under warranty and is still going with much more usage.
 
[quote name='torifile']Megazell, do you play any modern AAA games? Things like COD4/MW2, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, etc. I'm curious about how they run on your rigs.[/QUOTE]

I ran MW2 with no problem but I uninstalled it - It was not a *cough* copy. The game is OK but I don't understand that hype behind it. It has a lot of bugs when I played it. I tested some of the cracks on the PC that allowed more than 9 players to be on the MP maps and a few of the 'pirated' servers. A few people play it at the LAN but not me. When it comes to FPS I've played them all since I was 6 and I am going to be 30 this year so...FPS at this time don't impress me much.

Bioshock rans like water loved the game. It was a gift from friend but once I end a single player game...I give it away.

Mass Effect bored me to tears. Yeah I know...It's Sci-fi and I should love it but the game was too predictable and too easy for me. Runs great.

Dragon Ages was another game I got as a gift but I have yet to give it any serious time because I just don't have the free time like I use to for long RPG games + I'm of a sci-fi person. Runs great.
 
well gaming on pc is always fun...i just got back to pc gaming.....all the fun you can have with modding....did ne of you check out the UDK
 
[quote name='GamerLina']well gaming on pc is always fun...i just got back to pc gaming.....all the fun you can have with modding....did ne of you check out the UDK[/QUOTE]

Yep and I posted a few of the game on my 'Free and Legal PC Games' list.
 
[quote name='Kevfactor']i didnt read the thread but honestly pc gaming in pretty poor shape atm

i'll put it this way,
i got a pimped out oced i7 pc but a few months ago i ended up having to get a ps3. Why? due to lack of game releases. pc does have the most games but most those games have released slowly over the years and if you notice those steam sells, it's on games that have been out for over 3 years. sure there are a few good games here and there and i get those, but overall it's just online shooters, wow, and 2 year later console ports(last year was pretty much dragonage and batman).
[/QUOTE]
You know you could go back and play any of the classics PC games. There are plenty of games releases 15 years ago that are still worth playing today. Even are more recent game like civ 4 a nwn 2 can easily suck up 100 hours.
(Also If you look at the release dates next to the steam games on sale you will see most of them are less than 2 years old)
 
[quote name='Kevfactor']i didnt read the thread but honestly pc gaming in pretty poor shape atm

i'll put it this way,
i got a pimped out oced i7 pc but a few months ago i ended up having to get a ps3. Why? due to lack of game releases. pc does have the most games but most those games have released slowly over the years and if you notice those steam sells, it's on games that have been out for over 3 years. sure there are a few good games here and there and i get those, but overall it's just online shooters, wow, and 2 year later console ports(last year was pretty much dragonage and batman).

that said , the graphics just own the crap out of consoles. in this day in age the couch thing isn't much of an issues now since a pc can easily hook up to a tv with an hdmi cable. my jaw still drops when i oc my pc to about 4.3g for crysis and play that game close to maxed out. i dont think physics will be that good even on the next wave of consoles. main problem pc really has is the lack of support since all devs see is $ in the consoles


so anyways id get a a pc but use it for other things, hulu, porn, torretns, chat and try to game here and there when you can find a good game for it. just dont expect to be gaming on it all the time like you would be on a console. :)[/QUOTE]

Hmm,

The actual number of released games for the PC contradict every word fot his statement.

Anyway, like I stated before the difference between console and PC is commercials. You will always see more commercials for consoles games on your TV then PC games. Going on that basis many people will think that PC games are not being made.

So it's better for developers that you stay on your consoles.

While it's better for you to be on the PC because your games are cheaper, there are more offbeat games, more DLC for free (Mods, Maps, Models, Total Converisons and Story Lines).

So yeah you can buy Batman: Arkham Asylum on your console and hopefully get the right one from the right retailer that give you the ability to play as who you want. Or you can get the cheaper PC version that has all characters unlock...then go online and dl any other character you want for free.

Shameful post.
 
Pretty much just Dragon Age and Batman? Did you miss Call of Duty, Left 4 Dead 2, indie games like Trine and zenoclash? To be honest, I game on a PC because most of the xbox titles I want come out on PC, too and I get a much better experience. I can't think of a single game I wanted on xbox that wasn't also on PC. Other titles I get for my PS3.
 
[quote name='torifile']Pretty much just Dragon Age and Batman? Did you miss Call of Duty, Left 4 Dead 2, indie games like Trine and zenoclash? To be honest, I game on a PC because most of the xbox titles I want come out on PC, too and I get a much better experience. I can't think of a single game I wanted on xbox that wasn't also on PC. Other titles I get for my PS3.[/QUOTE]

I think that poster only looks or mess with games that have great marketing campaigns. Probably has to be told the game is great to believe it's great.
 
Nah mostly just comes down to verity for me. and honestly a lot of these multiplatform games are vary buggy on the pc whcih is why i stay clear of em now. fall out 3 for example would lock my pc up and dont get me started on borderlands.

but anyways lets see
what were the engaging single player games, or the game with 30 min cut scenes or the fighters(sf4 being an excretion i got that for pc hehe)p?

dont get me wrong i love logging in online and fragging but just not all the time. i got to have varity of puzzles and single player too :)


and screw dlc unless its a strong multiplayer title. if ya got to spend money on the game then ive beaten it and it's time to get a new title hehe
 
[quote name='Kevfactor']Nah mostly just comes down to verity for me. and honestly a lot of these multiplatform games are vary buggy on the pc whcih is why i stay clear of em now. fall out 3 for example would lock my pc up and dont get me started on borderlands.

but anyways lets see
what were the engaging single player games, or the game with 30 min cut scenes or the fighters(sf4 being an excretion i got that for pc hehe)p?

dont get me wrong i love logging in online and fragging but just not all the time. i got to have varity of puzzles and single player too :)


and screw dlc unless its a strong multiplayer title. if ya got to spend money on the game then ive beaten it and it's time to get a new title hehe[/QUOTE]

?

If you said 'forget cross platform games' PC still had a lot of games that came out in 2009.

You speak of variety? PC is all about variety...

Here is a small snippet of the commercial PC games that came out in 2009 - http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/previous-years/games-of-2009/ - So in total we had 11,099 PC games released in 2009. If you were to add all of the FREE games that debuted during this time we would have a total over 20,000+.

Like I stated before, you are only referring to commercial hits and big time developers.

You gonna say PC games did not have much coming out? Did you count on UK titles? European Titles? Japanese Titles? Did you even look at the small developers that made stellar titles from other genres....

Shameful.
 
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[quote name='Megazell']You must be talking about PC gaming back in 1992.

PC Games are cheaper or free. Period.

I have over 700+ games from 2006 to now...I think I spent $3.00 bucks tops.[/QUOTE]

Retail games?
 
[quote name='Kevfactor']

but anyways lets see
what were the engaging single player games, or the game with 30 min cut scenes or the[/QUOTE]
how about,
Hearts of Iron III (PC),battle forge, sims 3, tourch light, Anno 1404,Empire: Total War, Football Manager 2010, Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II,AaaaaAaaa.. A reckless Disregard for Gravity all Pc exclusives all from 2009
[quote name='Kevfactor'] fighters(sf4 being an excretion i got that for pc hehe)p? [/QUOTE]zeno clash but ya there aren't many fighters on the PC
[quote name='Kevfactor']
dont get me wrong i love logging in online and fragging but just not all the time. i got to have varity of puzzles and single player too :)[/QUOTE]
There is plenty of variety on the PC if you are looking for sports, fighters or 3d platformers then no the PC doesn't have many of toughs. But if you are looking for any thing else than you can't beat the PC

[quote name='Kevfactor']
and screw dlc unless its a strong multiplayer title. if ya got to spend money on the game then ive beaten it and it's time to get a new title hehe[/QUOTE] That sounds like a pro PC argument since most PC dlc is free.

​

​
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']
zeno clash but ya there aren't many fighters on the PC
[/QUOTE]

There are a lot of fighters on the PC. Are they 'hadokens' no...Check the link I posted a few post above and my free and legal PC games thread.
 
[quote name='Megazell']There are a lot of fighters on the PC. Are they 'hadokens' no...Check the link I posted a few post above and my free and legal PC games thread.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about ones that are comparable to the stuff on the present gen systems.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']I'm talking about ones that are comparable to the stuff on the present gen systems.[/QUOTE]

So am I.

Fake/Fatal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIHibb3l4jA

One of the doujin soft heavy-hitters is Type-Moon, known mostly for their “eroge” (non-otaku will have to look that term up) visual novels. A fellow game developer, Light, took their popular Fate/Stay Night series and transformed it into an exciting fighting game, rendered in toon-shaded 3D graphics that match the anime style of the source material. Think of it as an anime-stye Soul Calibur. It’s available only for PC.

I got this bad boy from one of my college mates who moved to Japan years ago. He send me many Japanese PC games.

Big Bang Beat: 1st Impression
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCRIsQAQppE

Big Bang Beat: 1st Impression is a 2D fighter made by NRF, based on AliceSoft’s Daibanchou: Big Bang Age “insult sim” eroge (there’s that word again!). The game itself also borrows from other fighting game series, giving a mix of elements that many a fighting game can find familiar, thus making the learning curve a bit less painful. This title is also only available on PC.

I got this one in china town. I helped the owner in a family court case and it was given to me as a gift.

Hokuto No Ken
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzN-pit8Wu0

“You are already dead.” This one especially excited me because I’m a fan of the Hokuto no Ken (aka Fist of the Northstar) anime! This game was developed by Guilty Gear’s Arc System Works and was released both in Japanese arcades as well as on PlayStation 2. What’s most fun is how faithful this game is to the anime, injecting as many of the characters’ most memorable moves from the show into the game. You can watch the timer tick down until your opponent’s head explodes with Kenshiro’s “North Star Remorse Fist” or stun your opponent as Raoh by sticking a sword through his foot. This PC only version comes with 10 new characters and 3 bonus stages that never made it to the original console releases.

Melty Blood: Act Cadenza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ip3QBqQ5UQ

Type-Moon’s first visual novel series, Tsukihime, gained so much popularity that they came up with an even more popular fighting game based on those characters. Melty Blood was originally released as a PC game, but because it’s generated such a huge fan following, it was upgraded and given an arcade release. This arcade version was later re-released on the PC and even given a PS2 port.

Tsukihime has also been made into anime and manga series, both released in North America under the name “Lunar Legend”. However, none of the games have made it overseas, possibly because of the doujin novel’s adult themes. Plus a game with a title like “Melty Blood” is probably a tough sell for North American publishers, given the current taboo surrounding video game violence.

My friend sent me this one and Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom which should be here this week.

Come on guys, this stuff is out there in magazines like PC Gamer and other online mags...Stop making assumptions about the PC...Also you can get all of those games for under $10 bucks legally...Well at least in NYC.
 
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Not to mention for big names Street Fighter 4 and BlazBlue (Not trying to crap on your list mega, just pointing out some that are 'comparable to present gen systems')
 
i have been a console gamer since ps1 and stuck to it, so i guess its safe to say that ill stick by it till the end, i dont like gaming on computers
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']
That sounds like a pro PC argument since most PC dlc is free.[/QUOTE]

Not since 2009 since Steam rolled out its DLC plan, and Games for Windows Live hit in full force. The days of PC gamers getting the same DLC for free the console people pay for is very, very much over - the only company I can still see doing it is Valve.

But Borderlands, Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2, Fallout 3, Modern Warfare 2, Empire Total War, SF 4 (I think), and Hearts of Iron 3 all had / will have paid DLC. If Bioshock 2 gets DLC, we'll get charged because it uses GFWL.

Indie devs still give us stuff for free, which rocks. Killing Floor, Nation Red, and plenty of others drop tons of free, rather large content updates. But hell, even some indie devs charge us for DLC, like Madballs.

Most of what I listed are console ports, but even some of the PC only games like Empire use Steam's DLC system, and I only imagine more using it in the future (like Napoleon: Total War).
 
[quote name='Hydro2Oxide']Not to mention for big names Street Fighter 4 and BlazBlue (Not trying to crap on your list mega, just pointing out some that are 'comparable to present gen systems')[/QUOTE]

That ones that I posted above are comparable. Like I said before I think most ppl just want a commercial attached to a product in a way to sort of keep up with the jones.

If they are not 'comparable' define the parameters.

SF4, Blazblue and Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom all have PC verisons.
 
[quote name='animalspinners']Not since 2009 since Steam rolled out its DLC plan, and Games for Windows Live hit in full force. The days of PC gamers getting the same DLC for free the console people pay for is very, very much over - the only company I can still see doing it is Valve.[/QUOTE]

That's incorrect.

Blizzard still gives out DLC and host FAN MADE DLC for free for all of their games.

StrategyFirst, Maxis, Bioware, Firaxis, Bethesda and many many more also give out content all the time.
 
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