Should marijuana be legal?

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This debate has been going on for a while now, and I couldn't find anything about it (I did search) on the forums. So, do you think marijuana should be legal and why?

I think it should be legalised. If marijuana is legalised, not only would the jails shrink, but the government could make money off of marijuana. It's a win win for everyone. And with marijuana being legal, you can buy it in stores rather than on the street and being introduced to other drugs, like cocaine. Marijuana has also been around for quite a while (see hemp in the bible). I just don't understand why people are so uptight about it. I hate cigarettes, but marijuana is nowhere near as bad as cigarettes as far as I'm concered.

Discuss.
 
Yes.

But that's because I'm a recreational user (during winter and summer vacations) and have a slight bias favoring it.
Taxing it would be fucking brilliant on the government's part. $20 is too much for a dimebag of chronic mannnnn!
 
Should ir be legal? Yes, and I'm am a non-(pot)smoker saying this. It's basically smoking beer really. Will it ever be legal? No. Why? It would be FAR to hard to controll. It can grow damn near anywere under damn near any conditions. It would be impossible to regulate and tax. Not only that but the industrial uses of hemp would make a lot of petrolium companies very unhappy if legalized.

I sound like a hippy when I say this crap, but I swear I'm not.
 
all drugs should be legal and regulated.

the only way to wage a war on drugs is to make them legally available. one of the most strategic methods in fighting a war is to negatively affect the enemy's local economy. by legalizing drugs you take away incentive of every drug dealer, which is money. if dealers and distributors can't cash in on this illegal market, then they lose.

other countries operate this way, i have never understood why we don't follow suit. of course the government would manage this system. it would probably be on par with other legal narcotics.
 
[quote name='gaelan']all drugs should be legal and regulated.

the only way to wage a war on drugs is to make them legally available. one of the most strategic methods in fighting a war is to negatively affect the enemy's local economy. by legalizing drugs you take away incentive of every drug dealer, which is money. if dealers and distributors can't cash in on this illegal market, then they lose.

other countries operate this way, i have never understood why we don't follow suit. of course the government would manage this system. it would probably be on par with other legal narcotics.[/quote]

Not only that but if legalized, addicts could get proper treatment without have to worry about the legal ramafications.
 
It's called the right wing, conservative moral high ground assault of "good Christian ethics." Congressmen may take bribes and fancy underage transvestites, but smoking pot it inexcusable.

[quote name='gaelan']all drugs should be legal and regulated.

the only way to wage a war on drugs is to make them legally available. one of the most strategic methods in fighting a war is to negatively affect the enemy's local economy. by legalizing drugs you take away incentive of every drug dealer, which is money. if dealers and distributors can't cash in on this illegal market, then they lose.

other countries operate this way, i have never understood why we don't follow suit. of course the government would manage this system. it would probably be on par with other legal narcotics.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Kayden']It's called the right wing, conservative moral high ground assault of "good Christian ethics." Congressmen may take bribes and fancy underage transvestites, but smoking pot it inexcusable.[/quote]

maybe now that the dems and libs have control of the congress some drug legalizing laws produced...:roll:
 
[quote name='Kayden']It's called the right wing, conservative moral high ground assault of "good Christian ethics." Congressmen may take bribes and fancy underage transvestites, but smoking pot it inexcusable.[/quote]

But Christ was to stranger to marijuana himself. And you know this, man!

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

Jesus used Marijuana

As doubtful as the following hypothesis might first seem to the reader, I might as well boldly state my case right from the start: either Jesus used marijuana or he was not the Christ. The very word "Christ", by the implication of its linguistic origins and true meaning, gives us the most profound evidence that Jesus did in fact use the same herb as his ancient semitic ancestors, and which is still used by people around the world for its enlightening and healing properties.

The Greek title "Christ" is the translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, which in English becomes "The Anointed" D. The Messiah was recognized as such by his being anointed with the holy anointing oil, the use of which was restricted to the instillation of Hebrew priests and kings (See CC#5). If Jesus was not initiated in this fashion then he was not the Christ, and had no official claim to the title.

The ancient recipe for this anointing oil, recorded in the Old Testament book of Exodus (30: 22-23) included over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops, Hebrew "kaneh-bosm" B, extracted into a hind (about 6.5 litres) of olive oil, along with a variety of other herbs and spices. The ancient chosen ones
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were literally drenched in this potent cannabis holy oil.
 
[quote name='gaelan']all drugs should be legal and regulated.

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The best reason for legalizing any of it is not for people to use it, but to curb or even eliminate the criminal element of cartels and gangs that bring the shit in the country to start with. If you can render these violent people irrelevant then legalization is worth considering because people who want it will get it any way they can anyways.

That being said, drugs aren't for me. I have seen it destroy lives first hand (an uncle of mine is an addict and another of my uncle's was/is a dealer).
 
[quote name='naes']If marijuana is legalised, not only would the jails shrink, but the government could make money off of marijuana.[/quote]

They already do. Did you ever look at a dollar bill, man? There's some spooky shit goin' on there. And it's green too.
 
I don't smoke it, myself... but the only reason it's illegal is because of traditional fear.
 
No. We have enough problems with drunk drivers on the road, the last thing we need are stoned drivers causing even more accidents.
 
[quote name='CitizenB']Nope its a drug plain and simple. Shouldn't be legalized IMO.[/quote]

Good, now let's go ban Morphine, that shit is wicked addictive.
 
NO.

Not because of the drug itself. No because of all the stupid dumbasses that are irresponsible and plain stupid. I am all for having fun and having a good time, but its the people that make dumb choices that I am against. In a perfect world, yes, but the fact is...this world is far from perfect.
 
[quote name='kevzik']NO.

Not because of the drug itself. No because of all the stupid dumbasses that are irresponsible and plain stupid. I am all for having fun and having a good time, but its the people that make dumb choices that I am against. In a perfect world, yes, but the fact is...this world is far from perfect.[/quote]

Great, let's ban junk food while where at it, no reason to allow people to make the stupid choice to be overweight.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Great, let's ban junk food while where at it, no reason to allow people to make the stupid choice to be overweight.[/quote]

1. Not everyone thinks being overweight is a stupid choice...head on over to the 4XL concert shirt thread in off topic.

2. I am talking stupid choices that result in injury or death...come on now...
 
Yes it should be legalized, There are ALOT more people who smoke weed then you all think... I personally smoke a lot of weed, do i need to? no. Does it affect me negatively (other then the tar) No, i dont smoke cigarettes, which are far worse, and still those are legal. What a person decides to do is their own decision, what happens when you smoke too much weed? do you OD, do you become and addict? no. You go to sleep, and wake up hungry enough to clean out a local super market... Gosh, what horrible side effects.

I think that definatly it should be medically legal like it is here in San Francisco There are TONS of stores you can buy it at if you have a card. It eases peoples pain, and creates hungar for those who medically just cant eat.. is that such a bad cause?

I could go on for days, but im sure i will be back to this thread..

YES.
 
Am I the only one who truly doesn't care either way? I mean I have no interest in ever smoking weed regardless but it really doesn't make a fuck bit of difference as to whether or not it could or would be legalized.

This is one of those situations where I'm glad I'm not a politician cause I have better things to decide in my life like what I'm gonna have for dinner tomorrow.
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']Yes it should be legalized, There are ALOT more people who smoke weed then you all think... I personally smoke a lot of weed, do i need to? no. Does it affect me negatively (other then the tar) No, i dont smoke cigarettes, which are far worse, and still those are legal. What a person decides to do is their own decision, what happens when you smoke too much weed? do you OD, do you become and addict? no. You go to sleep, and wake up hungry enough to clean out a local super market... Gosh, what horrible side effects.

I think that definatly it should be medically legal like it is here in San Francisco There are TONS of stores you can buy it at if you have a card. It eases peoples pain, and creates hungar for those who medically just cant eat.. is that such a bad cause?

I could go on for days, but im sure i will be back to this thread..

YES.[/quote]

True, tons of people do smoke. I just worried of what could be if everyone starting doing it. Would the world still function fine? Would deaths go up or down? Would people be as successful? I just think things have a greater chance of ending up worst than the state things are in now.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Am I the only one who truly doesn't care either way? I mean I have no interest in ever smoking weed regardless but it really doesn't make a fuck bit of difference as to whether or not it could or would be legalized.

This is one of those situations where I'm glad I'm not a politician cause I have better things to decide in my life like what I'm gonna have for dinner tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
Thats perfectly fine, but others who do decide to use it, the argument is more of, should they be prosecuted and given charges for having/using marijuana... It is already the LOWEST priority crime here in SF, but other places really crack down on people for just trying to have a good time or relieve some stress...
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']Thats perfectly fine, but others who do decide to use it, the argument is more of, should they be prosecuted and given charges for having/using marijuana... It is already the LOWEST priority crime here in SF, but other places really crack down on people for just trying to have a good time or relieve some stress...[/QUOTE]

Yeah see I still don't find myself caring either way. I'm never going to use it so its a non-issue to me. I have the same opinion toward abortion as well. I mean its not like I'm ever going to get an abortion so what do I care if its legal or not?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Yeah see I still don't find myself caring either way. I'm never going to use it so its a non-issue to me. I have the same opinion toward abortion as well. I mean its not like I'm ever going to get an abortion so what do I care if its legal or not?[/QUOTE]
Its weather you think its right that other people are getting charges for weed, or if other people are killing babies... if you dont care thats fine.. if your brother gets arrested for having marijuana do you want him to go to jail or not? its simple as that..
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']Its weather you think its right that other people are getting charges for weed, or if other people are killing babies... if you dont care thats fine.. if your brother gets arrested for having marijuana do you want him to go to jail or not? its simple as that..[/QUOTE]

Well if he knew it was illegal and he decided to take the chance anyway, then that's his mistake, not mine.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Well if he knew it was illegal and he decided to take the chance anyway, then that's his mistake, not mine.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but if it was something he enjoyed that didnt effect anyone but him is it wrong? thats all were saying. Ok, yes it will never effect you, so more power too you.
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']Yeah, but if it was something he enjoyed that didnt effect anyone but him is it wrong? thats all were saying. Ok, yes it will never effect you, so more power too you.[/QUOTE]
Well now you're making the "victimless crime" argument and that's a whole 'nother can of worms altogether.

I mean if someone gets loaded and goes out and drives a car around but doesn't hit anything or anyone no one else is being affected so by your logic does that make it right?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Well now you're making the "victimless crime" argument and that's a whole 'nother can of worms altogether.[/QUOTE]
Is It?

I have a club card, and i cant get arrested for anything short of dealing weed, so the issues dont effect me. But for everyone else I think its one less thing they need to worry about in this country of laws and regulations...
 
[quote name='kevzik']1. Not everyone thinks being overweight is a stupid choice...head on over to the 4XL concert shirt thread in off topic.

2. I am talking stupid choices that result in injury or death...come on now...[/quote]
Being overweight causes injury and death, if you want I can pull up the articles about heart disease, what it does to your knees, or the fat woman who fell on a 3 year-old and killed the poor kid.

The government should not act like your nanny, being free means having the freedom to be stupid. Only when you cause harm to others you should have to pay for your actions.

Also - the health insurance companies should be able to charge weed smokers and fatties more because they make bad health choices.
 
[quote name='kevzik']NO.

Not because of the alcohol itself. No because of all the stupid dumbasses that are irresponsible and plain stupid when they are drunk and driving. I am all for having fun and having a good time as long as it's alcohol, but its the people that make dumb choices that I am against unless they are drinking and driving. In a perfect world, yes, but the fact is...this world is far from perfect.[/QUOTE]

I fixed your post for you.
 
[quote name='camoor']Being overweight causes injury and death, if you want I can pull up the articles about heart disease, what it does to your knees, or the fat woman who fell on a 3 year-old and killed the poor kid.

The government should not act like your nanny, being free means having the freedom to be stupid. Only when you cause harm to others you should have to pay for your actions.

Also - the health insurance companies should be able to charge weed smokers and fatties more because they make bad health choices.[/QUOTE]
Why should weed smokers pay more? ive yet to go to the doctor for weed related injury or disease. And when cancer kicks in ill hop in the boat with the chewers, cigarette and pipe smokers, and the just plain unlucky.
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']Why should weed smokers pay more? ive yet to go to the doctor for weed related injury or disease. And when cancer kicks in ill hop in the boat with the chewers, cigarette and pipe smokers, and the just plain unlucky.[/QUOTE]

agreed

a lot of people have been so conditioned to think of MJ as 'bad' or a recreational drug only

funny that the person saying overweight people and pot smokers should be charged more for insurance, didn't include drinkers
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']agreed

a lot of people have been so conditioned to think of MJ as 'bad' or a recreational drug only

funny that the person saying overweight people and pot smokers should be charged more for insurance, didn't include drinkers[/QUOTE]

I mean while were at it, anyone with a speeding ticket, and perhaps known J walkers should be charged more too. Lets not forget those who sleep less, because that is known to be unhealthy.

people live, sometimes they have problems, that is what health insurance is for.

I am more pissed off at the people who DONT have health insurance, have an emergency, use up 1000's of dollars in medical resources and have no way to pay. Its the people that dont have insurance you should shake your fist at, not the ones who do, and maybe have a slight greater chance at using the hospital then yourself?
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']i also agree with that[/QUOTE]
Do you guys have a lot of clubs down there? they are popping up like wild fire up here hopefully the competition will drive the prices down...
 
It's not for me but it should probably be legal... but I'm not sure how much of the "war on drugs" is fought against marijuana though or what impact to crime/gangs it would have. The government should tax the crap out of it - just like cigarettes.
 
[quote name='javeryh']It's not for me but it should probably be legal... but I'm not sure how much of the "war on drugs" is fought against marijuana though or what impact to crime/gangs it would have. The government should tax the crap out of it - just like cigarettes.[/QUOTE]

what i would do for a pack of 20 joints for 5$ lol. Most weed is grown right here in CA, so as far as drug running goes and smuggling it wouldn't impact it that much, but the people selling it are also some of the same people selling the drugs that are smuggled into the country.
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']what i would do for a pack of 20 joints for 5$ lol. Most weed is grown right here in CA, so as far as drug running goes and smuggling it wouldn't impact it that much, but the people selling it are also some of the same people selling the drugs that are smuggled into the country.[/quote]

Your $5 pack of weederettes would probably contain the equivalent amount of weed that the average college kid put into one joint.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Your $5 pack of weederettes would probably contain the equivalent amount of weed that the average college kid put into one joint.[/QUOTE]
how you figure? the tobacco companies would become dealers, and whoever had the most/most potent weederettes would sell the most!
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']how you figure? the tobacco companies would become dealers, and whoever had the most/most potent weederettes would sell the most![/quote]

Government regulation. I'm sure the cigarette companies would love to put out an even more addictive product with even more cancer causing goodness but they aren't allowed to.
 
[quote name='naes']I hate cigarettes, but marijuana is nowhere near as bad as cigarettes as far as I'm concered.[/QUOTE]

That right there pretty much proves that you're a moron and any debate you try to have with the topic is completely worthless.
 
[quote name='nasum']That right there pretty much proves that you're a moron and any debate you try to have with the topic is completely worthless.[/QUOTE]
he said as far as he is concerned

sure they have MORE tar in them, but it is WAY less addicting... so it could go either way... Also you dont find yourself (most dont) smoking 20 joints a day, where a pack a day smoker is a common thing
 
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