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It doesn’t take much to get thrown off an airplane these days, as Kyla Ebbert found out when a Southwest Airlines employee told her she was too bare for the air. Two months later, she’s still trying to figure out what was wrong with her outfit.

In an exclusive appearance Friday on TODAY, Ebbert modeled the outfit she says she wore on the flight in question. It consisted of a snug-fitting white top with a scoop neck that stopped just short of showing cleavage.

Over the shirt was a green sweater that buttoned underneath her bosom. It was finished with high-heeled sandals and a white denim mini-skirt with a fashionably frayed hem.
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It was a lot more clothing than the 23-year-old college student wears on her job as a Hooters waitress. Her mother, Michele Ebbert, said she would have told her daughter if the outfit was inappropriate.

“But her outfit is fine, Michele Ebbert told TODAY co-host Matt Lauer. “She looks like every other college girl in San Diego.”

Not according to a Southwest employee identified only as “Keith,” who approached Ebbert after she had taken her seat on the plane and was listening to the flight attendants go through their pre-departure routine.

He asked her to step off of the plane and when they were in the jetway, he told her that her clothing was inappropriate and asked her to change her clothes.

“He told me, ‘I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to take a later flight. You’re dressed inappropriately. This is a family airline. You’re dressed too provocative to fly on this flight,’ ” she told Lauer.

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Kyla Ebbert models the outfit she wore on the Southwest flight Friday on TODAY.
“I said, ‘What part of it, the shirt, the skirt? Which part?’ “ Ebbert continued, recounting her conversation with Keith about her outfit. “And he said, ‘The whole thing.’“ I said, ‘I didn’t bring any luggage with me. I don’t have anything to change into. What can I do to make sure I can get onto that flight?’ I had a doctor’s appointment. I had to be there.”

“He said ‘You can go to the gift shop and you can buy something to wear there. Until then, you’re not flying on this flight,’ ” Ebbert said.

A compromise was finally reached when Ebbert promised to pull up her top, which wasn’t showing cleavage to begin with, and pull down her tiny skirt.

Ebbert went back onto the plane and to her seat, feeling that every eye on the plane was staring at her.

“I was humiliated. I was embarrassed. They all heard him lecturing me,” she said.


She asked for a blanket, covered her legs, and cried quietly all the way to Tucson. When she got off the plane, she called her mother.

“She was just devastated,” Michele told Lauer. “She said, ‘Mom, I can’t believe what just happened to me.’ She was. She said ‘I didn’t want to make a scene. I didn’t want to draw attention. I just sat there crying.’ ”

No apology
When Michele saw a picture her daughter emailed from her cell phone, she couldn’t believe what had happened. She also thought to herself, “Oh, no. They don’t do this and get away with it.”

The San Diego Union-Tribune called Southwest Airlines and asked if the airline had a dress code. Could, for example, a woman board wearing a bikini top?

The newspaper on Tuesday quoted the Southwest agent it spoke with as saying, “We don't have a problem with it if she's covered up in all the right spots. We don't have a dress code.”

The Ebberts had not gone public with the story, which happened two months ago, asking only for an apology from the airline. But none was forthcoming.

In response to a TODAY Show query, the airline sent the following statement: "Southwest Airlines was responding to a concern about Ms. Ebbert's revealing attire on the flight that day. As a compromise, we asked her to adjust her clothing to be less revealing, she complied, and she traveled as scheduled. When a concern is brought to our Employees' attention, we address that situation directly with the Customer(s) involved in a discreet and professional manner. Fortunately, as an airline that carries approximately 96 million Customers a year, these situations are extremely rare."

The Ebberts have engaged an attorney, Martin Reed, to help them decide what to do next.

Asked if he will file suit, Reed told Lauer, “We’ve not made that decision, yet. We’re considering all the facts and all the circumstances.”

“Initially, I just wanted an apology,” Kyla told Lauer. “At this point, just some acknowledgement that they were wrong. That would be better.”

What really tops the whole story off is that Ebbert wore the same outfit on the return flight to San Diego later that day. A female flight attendant also took note of it, according to Ebbert.

“I was complimented by the stewardess on my return flight,” she said.
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Can't watch the vid while I'm at work, but I saw her outfit. Her top was pretty normal attire, but that skirt was no question ultra-short. But nowadays you see clothes like that everywhere and even on kids. Not that I like today's revealing styles, but it's obvious someone just wanted to be a jerk. The airline said they were responding to a complaint.
 
If you watch the video and when she sits down you can clearly see her underwear. That is my first sign that the airline had the right to ask her to change or cover up. The airline was being a bit anal but I believe they have the right to refuse service. Someone was offended and the airliner took action.

A time and place to wear everything. A swim suit is for beach and a 6" skirt is for the club.

She did get what she wanted though, plenty of attention.

I'm middle ground on this issue. The yahoo/abc video the reporter at the end said, "That is how kids go to school." I know am getting old but in my day their would be no way in hell girls would be able to wear a skirt that short in school and I most defiantly wouldn't let a daughter of mine wear a skirt like that.

I'm kinda mixed on the issue, I would throw a fit if she was arrested for an outfit like that but the airline has the right IMO to allow passengers on a plane if they consider something obscene.
 
Sorry, but the only people who would consider that "obscene" are the religious, uptight fundies who have a cork up their ass and constantly need something to complain about. Never mind the fact that some people think they have the right to tell people how to dress, act, think etc.

Way overblown out of proportion on the part of the complainers and the airline. She should sue. She would win.
 
[quote name='Nephlabobo']Sorry, but the only people who would consider that "obscene" are the religious, uptight fundies who have a cork up their ass and constantly need something to complain about.[/quote]

Or a cock up their ass, like Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)

That's a hard 23, but the body is banging.
 
[quote name='Nephlabobo']Sorry, but the only people who would consider that "obscene" are the religious, uptight fundies who have a cork up their ass and constantly need something to complain about. Never mind the fact that some people think they have the right to tell people how to dress, act, think etc.

Way overblown out of proportion on the part of the complainers and the airline. She should sue. She would win.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't consider it "obscene" but I see it no different then them asking a passenger to not wear swim wear. You can see that she had the skirt pulled down as far as she could and every inch counts on that skirt. I would call it borderline obscene.

I can imagine if kids/midgets/Danny DeVito were sitting in a seat on the jet they would see right up her skirt as she walks to her seat. Who knows she might have been wearing a thong. The government should never tell you what or what not to wear, but if others are uncomfortable around you for wearing super revealing clothing then see no problem with an airline using their 'right to refuse service.'
Like I said there is a place and time for everything. I'm glad that you are calling me "religious" since I'm agnostic and I'm pretty sure that agnostics can't be religious. ;)
 
You're acting like the airlines have this mystic right to refuse service. If anything the consumer should have more right than any airline. If a kid or midget or small animal can see up the womens skirt thats not necesarily a bad thing. As a kid I would have kicked any complainers ass and had one hand down my pants the whole flight.

Obviously the flight attendant was male. All male flight attendants are fags of course. Hes either a fag or a ultra conservative christian who never has had sex and is a repressed fag. So in the case its not part of any airline code simply the employees uptightedness or jealousy. Frankly I would tell him to fuck off.
 
[quote name='electronicmaji']You're acting like the airlines have this mystic right to refuse service. If anything the consumer should have more right than any airline.[/quote]

Clearly you know little to nothing about this issue whatsoever. Instead of continuing to cover yourself in ignorance, I suggest you quit while you are not too deep in.

[quote name='electronicmaji']As a kid[/QUOTE]

Obviously.
 
oh man, i am getting a crowbar from her outfit lol.

She's pretty hot..but on Fox News yesterday she wore the same outfit but her boobs looked like they were ready to bust out of that shirt.

She's doing this to get attention to herself and extra money. Because of this, I would NOT be surprised if a modeling/fashion agency wanted to get her some deals.

I've seen HOTTER women when I use to fly. Hell I've seen women with tank tops with there boobs about to pop out of those things fly on the same flight.

This is bullshit attention she's getting and all that money so she can party all night (that's why she looks 40 something because she's fucking up all night clubbing).
 
[quote name='spoo']I wouldn't consider it "obscene" but I see it no different then them asking a passenger to not wear swim wear. You can see that she had the skirt pulled down as far as she could and every inch counts on that skirt. I would call it borderline obscene.

I can imagine if kids/midgets/Danny DeVito were sitting in a seat on the jet they would see right up her skirt as she walks to her seat. Who knows she might have been wearing a thong. The government should never tell you what or what not to wear, but if others are uncomfortable around you for wearing super revealing clothing then see no problem with an airline using their 'right to refuse service.'
Like I said there is a place and time for everything. I'm glad that you are calling me "religious" since I'm agnostic and I'm pretty sure that agnostics can't be religious. ;)[/quote]

Oh crap, mom found the thread!
 
[quote name='camoor']Oh crap, mom found the thread![/QUOTE]

to the post your talking about

Hunny if danny devito, kids, midgets had a view up their skirt they would of LIKED it. Everyone likes sex. Everyone likes hot chicks. Unless your gay. Which I bet the male flight attendant was.
 
I have mixed feelings on this. One one hand they have a right to refuse service to anyone and I hate the way that outfits like that are the norm even for girls in elementary school. Don't get me wrong, I thought she looked hot but I think the airline may have been right. It was only 50 years ago you had to get dressed up to fly at all.
 
I read about this on another forums. The part that irritates me is that the whole pulling her off the plane bit was totally at the discretion of the airline employee since absolutely no one said anything to her on her return flight, nor does SWA even have any sort of dresscode for their cutmers to adhere to.

I think this is just a case of some uptight employee trying to throw their weight around.
 
[quote name='camoor']Oh crap, mom found the thread![/QUOTE]
I'm glad you rang in to give your 2 cents. :roll: I am glad to hear that your mom at least raised you right. ;)

[quote name='electronicmaji']to the post your talking about

Hunny if danny devito, kids, midgets had a view up their skirt they would of LIKED it. Everyone likes sex. Everyone likes hot chicks. Unless your gay. Which I bet the male flight attendant was.[/QUOTE]

Gays don't like sex? That is news to me. I hate to break it to you but life doesn't revolve around sex, unless you are in the porno business. A time and place for everything.

It isn't about "liking" a skank's skirt, it is about what the airline employee (and the customer complaining) thought her outfit wasn't decent. Where would one draw the line on what is decent? If you are dressed like a street walker, you shouldn't be surprised if someone asks you to cover up.
 
[quote name='spoo']I hate to break it to you but life doesn't revolve around sex, unless you are in the porno business.[/QUOTE]

Speak for yourself :lol:
 
[quote name='spoo']I'm glad you rang in to give your 2 cents. :roll: I am glad to hear that your mom at least raised you right. ;)



Gays don't like sex? That is news to me. I hate to break it to you but life doesn't revolve around sex, unless you are in the porno business. A time and place for everything.

It isn't about "liking" a skank's skirt, it is about what the airline employee (and the customer complaining) thought her outfit wasn't decent. Where would one draw the line on what is decent? If you are dressed like a street walker, you shouldn't be surprised if someone asks you to cover up.[/QUOTE]

If we are to evolve we need to accept sexuality in every shape and every form. fucking like rabbits would only help us at this point.
 
[quote name='spoo']I hate to break it to you but life doesn't revolve around sex[/quote]

Oh yeah, because the desire to spread our genetic code isn't hardcoded into our brains and bodies. It's not like the future of humanity depends on sex.

I'm putting you down as one of the "will somebody please think of the children" crowd.
 
[quote name='camoor']Oh yeah, because the desire to spread our genetic code isn't hardcoded into our brains and bodies. It's not like the future of humanity depends on sex.[/QUOTE]
Muslim Woman seem to have no problem with reproduction wearing a bed sheet and a mask. My point being, we wont forget to have sex with woman depending on what they wear.

So our modern day culture revolves around sex? If you want to get down to the basic cave man instinct it is food, clothing and shelter. The man sitting next to the short skirt lady should have just picked her up and put her on his lap for a quick fuck since life revolves around sex.

Life isn't that black and white. I figured that you could figure that one out.

[quote name='camoor']I'm putting you down as one of the "will somebody please think of the children" crowd.[/QUOTE]
:lol: You would be the first. You obviously haven't read what my reasons were. It is about the rights of the airline and what society deems decent. But if you want to write me off as a Hillary go right ahead I will add that to the other things I've been called in this thread.

[quote name='electronicmaji']If we are to evolve we need to accept sexuality in every shape and every form. fucking like rabbits would only help us at this point.[/QUOTE]If you want to live in a John Lennon fantasy world go for it, just remember the key word "fantasy".

Evolve to what? Just think of all the productive things human kind would get done if we did nothing but have sex all day and all night. The point is we evolved past that point.
 
Watch Britney Spear's performance last night on the VMA's and you will see that we have not evolved past shit!

BTW, without sex, i would not be here, nor you, nor anybody else. Sex (birth) is a necessary part of existence so we might as well permit slamming ass sluts like this one to wear short ass kinky skirts for easier access and quicker hardons.

I think women who look like this girl wear way too many clothes in public and would really enjoy it if they just went around naked. Mmmm....yeah. We have nude beaches lets take it to the streets too! Yeah baby! But keep in mind, I only mean the girls who look like this chick, or are hot on an equal or greater value.

If you're thinking this would disturb little kids, just know that even if I was little, I wouldnt be scared by seeing this chick naked, I might be a little scared of the physiological change in my cock piece but that is part of growing up. If I was a real little kid, like a baby, it would probably just make me hungry for a little teat milk. Ma ma! Ma ma!
 
[quote name='spoo']Muslim Woman seem to have no problem with reproduction wearing a bed sheet and a mask. My point being, we wont forget to have sex with woman depending on what they wear.

So our modern day culture revolves around sex? If you want to get down to the basic cave man instinct it is food, clothing and shelter. The man sitting next to the short skirt lady should have just picked her up and put her on his lap for a quick fuck since life revolves around sex.

Life isn't that black and white. I figured that you could figure that one out.[/quote]

Actually - the muslim women thing is all about sex.

It's about religion controlling sex. And therefore religion is calling the shots. People are hardwired to want sex but in a muslim culture they have to cave to the religion to get it - and cave they do! Look at how many wives the guys calling the shots in the Muslim world have, and then tell me it's not all about sex.

In the industrialized world where the base of Maslow's hierarchy is completely satiated for most of the population, almost everything is about sex. The only time when it's not about sex is when it's explicitly about denying sex.
 
I'm with the airlines on this one.

You can clearly see her panties when she is sitting down and the skirt barely covers her when she is standing up.

Also I doubt many of you would be on her side if she was some fat troll. Stop thinking with your cocks for a second and think of the facts.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I'm with the airlines on this one.

You can clearly see her panties when she is sitting down and the skirt barely covers her when she is standing up.

Also I doubt many of you would be on her side if she was some fat troll. Stop thinking with your cocks for a second and think of the facts.[/QUOTE]

no my life revolves around my cock.
 
[quote name='camoor']Actually - the muslim women thing is all about sex.

It's about religion controlling sex. And therefore religion is calling the shots. People are hardwired to want sex but in a muslim culture they have to cave to the religion to get it - and cave they do! Look at how many wives the guys calling the shots in the Muslim world have, and then tell me it's not all about sex.

In the industrialized world where the base of Maslow's hierarchy is completely satiated for most of the population, almost everything is about sex. The only time when it's not about sex is when it's explicitly about denying sex.[/quote]
Its acctually about preserving modesty, but you would acctually have to you know...have looked it up to know that isntead of just randomly coming up with your own theories.


and lol at these guys calling the shots.
 
[quote name='electronicmaji']You're acting like the airlines have this mystic right to refuse service.[/quote]

It's not mystic. They do have it.

Obviously the flight attendant was male. All male flight attendants are fags of course. Hes either a fag or a ultra conservative christian who never has had sex and is a repressed fag. So in the case its not part of any airline code simply the employees uptightedness or jealousy. Frankly I would tell him to fuck off.
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Wow, someone turned on the homophobe firehose. What suddenly gets you so incensed and irate about homosexuals? Cool your jets, turn off your irrational bigotry, and stick to the issue at hand. You're dealing with a lot of angry conjecture here that you can not back up or prove.

You go right ahead and tell someone working on the flight to fuck off. Then you can stare at those panties as much as you like...in the terminal, where you'll be waiting for your next flight, since you'll get thrown off as well.

The news: bringing you more fap moments than genuine news.
 
[quote name='hhhdx4']Its acctually about preserving modesty, but you would acctually have to you know...have looked it up to know that isntead of just randomly coming up with your own theories.


and lol at these guys calling the shots.[/quote]
It's about controlling women. "Modesty" is an excuse, otherwise why don't men cover themselves up and have no rights? Because only women have to be "modest."

In the more modern societies that don't actually follow Muslim law the veils, etc. have become simply a tradition if they're worn at all, but in strict Muslim societies it's about controlling sex, and by controlling sex I mean controlling women.
 
The whole "you can see her panties" issue is moot unless she is sitting on her ass, spread in the middle of the aisle. There will be a seat in front of her as soon as she sits down.
 
[quote name='electronicmaji']no my life revolves around my cock.[/quote]

Me too. Its sad. Its also true for the lives of my children, I plan on having some and without my wiener, well that could be tough.

She said she was sitting with her legs crossed!

I was just being a misogynist pig in my last post but come on, she is smokin. You are absolutely right that I would not feel that way if she was a fat troll.

I get worried when people (especially the government) throw round "obsenity." I hate "I know it when I see it" standards because they leave too much room for discretion. That having been said (
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's not mystic. They do have it.



Wow, someone turned on the homophobe firehose. What suddenly gets you so incensed and irate about homosexuals? Cool your jets, turn off your irrational bigotry, and stick to the issue at hand. You're dealing with a lot of angry conjecture here that you can not back up or prove.

You go right ahead and tell someone working on the flight to fuck off. Then you can stare at those panties as much as you like...in the terminal, where you'll be waiting for your next flight, since you'll get thrown off as well.

The news: bringing you more fap moments than genuine news.[/QUOTE]

No I love fags when theyre not assholes and screwing up boners for children...


And sorry no matter if the airlines have that mystic right it doesnt make that right right. Passengers should have rights too....they have NONE!
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Me too. Its sad. Its also true for the lives of my children, I plan on having some and without my wiener, well that could be tough.[/quote]

I only had to read this sentence five times before I understood what you were saying (I hope...)

Good job!
 
Yeah, I guess that sentence was a littel conflated.

[quote name='mykevermin']:wall:

Don't come back to the versus forum. There are some unintelligent people that post here, but you, my friend, take the cake.[/quote]

Who me!?
 
[quote name='camoor']Actually - the muslim women thing is all about sex.

It's about religion controlling sex. And therefore religion is calling the shots. People are hardwired to want sex but in a muslim culture they have to cave to the religion to get it - and cave they do! Look at how many wives the guys calling the shots in the Muslim world have, and then tell me it's not all about sex.

In the industrialized world where the base of Maslow's hierarchy is completely satiated for most of the population, almost everything is about sex. The only time when it's not about sex is when it's explicitly about denying sex.[/QUOTE]
You are taking the muslim point way into right field...

Maslow's hierarchy isn't all about sex. Especially when the sex need is met you want things beyond sex. So as it could be stated if you aren't getting any then you need it but if you are getting it than there is more needs to be met. Sure sex is on the foundation of his theory but once it is me you seek other things. Just like after you eat you are no longer hungry. Love and belonging isn't always about sex. He stated humans need to be loved sexually and non-sexually.

But we are getting way off the topic. Since all of us know that we don't need revealing clothing to remind us to have sex. Just like we don't need to smell bread to remind us we need food. When we smell the bread we will want it even if we aren't hungry but it is not like we won't not need it/crave it if we never smell it to remind us.
 
[quote name='spoo']But we are getting way off the topic. Since all of us know that we don't need revealing clothing to remind us to have sex. Just like we don't need to smell bread to remind us we need food, sure when we smell the bread we will want it even if we aren't hungry but we won't not need it if we never smell it to remind us.[/quote]

The bread example brings up an interesting point.

I believe that if you could remove the smell of food, your responses to hunger would literally be Pavlovian. You would associate food with other markers, such as sight or perhaps even an artificially induced marker (such as a bell)

Likewise, due to the extreme manner of dress that women are forced to comply with in Muslim Theocracies, men start associating sex with unusual markers such as ankles. The same fetishism occured during the sexually restrictive Victorian age, and today with our whacky friends in Japan.

Being that I'm not big into ankle porn, I'd like to avoid having American culture travel down the theocratic slippery slope any further then it already has.
 
[quote name='SpazX']It's about controlling women. "Modesty" is an excuse, otherwise why don't men cover themselves up and have no rights? Because only women have to be "modest."

In the more modern societies that don't actually follow Muslim law the veils, etc. have become simply a tradition if they're worn at all, but in strict Muslim societies it's about controlling sex, and by controlling sex I mean controlling women.[/quote]


Uhh, Men do have to be covered, everything from the naval to the bottom of the knee. Excellent job on research you did there. and the only tradition is if the veil isnt worn, if the mother or culture doesnt wear the veil a lot of people wont, but thats not the rule at all.


and who said Muslim women dont have rights? Women are more respected than the men are, some of you here are going by this arab sterotype and really dont have your facts all together.
 
[quote name='hhhdx4']and who said Muslim women dont have rights? Women are more respected than the men are, some of you here are going by this arab sterotype and really dont have your facts all together.[/quote]

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:
 
[quote name='camoor']The bread example brings up an interesting point.

I believe that if you could remove the smell of food, your responses to hunger would literally be Pavlovian. You would associate food with other markers, such as sight or perhaps even an artificially induced marker (such as a bell)

Likewise, due to the extreme manner of dress that women are forced to comply with in Muslim Theocracies, men start associating sex with unusual markers such as ankles. The same fetishism occured during the sexually restrictive Victorian age, and today with our whacky friends in Japan.

Being that I'm not big into ankle porn, I'd like to avoid having American culture travel down the theocratic slippery slope any further then it already has.[/QUOTE]
This makes me wonder what we would associate sex with if the human race didn't wear clothing. Tits and ass would no longer do the trick since it would be the norm.
 
[quote name='hhhdx4']Uhh, Men do have to be covered, everything from the naval to the bottom of the knee. Excellent job on research you did there. and the only tradition is if the veil isnt worn, if the mother or culture doesnt wear the veil a lot of people wont, but thats not the rule at all.


and who said Muslim women dont have rights? Women are more respected than the men are, some of you here are going by this arab sterotype and really dont have your facts all together.[/quote]

I'm sure the men have to be covered, they're not all running around naked. They don't have to cover themselves in the same sense as the women do.

Muslim women are respected in the same was as they were here until the 60s/70s (not that the social structure has really changed much since then, but women do have more legal rights anyway and some more freedom, at least better than women living in strict Muslim societies), that is they are respected in their place. As long as they act as they should they are respected as mothers, etc. But they're not respected as people or respected as men are, they are the property of their fathers until they are given to a man and then they are the property of that man.

I'm not saying all Muslims are like this or that your anecdotal experience is not real, I'm talking about what camoor was talking about, which is strict traditional Muslim treatment of women.

And with that I'm done on the subject since it is off topic and derailing the thread.
 
[quote name='spoo']This makes me wonder what we would associate sex with if the human race didn't wear clothing. Tits and ass would no longer do the trick since it would be the norm.[/quote]
Tits and ass aren't erogenous zones in all cultures.
 
Well I am kinda conflicted on this issue. I agree that if I was a parent I wouldn't want my child seeing that Ladies Panties, despite the fact that if they were going to see panties it may as well be on her and not some fat ugly chick. But I also have to say that I have seen people walking on the streets with less clothing on. I mean hell there is a guy here in Austin that cross dresses and often is only wearing underwear, and yet he is allowed to do as he pleases? At least his chick was hot.

Also I have seen more revealing outfits on Flight Attendents themselves. I was flying to New York Earlier this year on Jetblue and I as I was waiting in the terminal cause my flight was delayed this smoking hot blond flight attendant sits in the chair directly in front of me and I could easily see her panties while she was sitting down AND she didn't even keep her legs crossed the whole time! She was pretty much showing her stuff to everyone sitting in my row. Now if she is on duty and can work on this plane, why can't that chick just fly on it?

Also who the hell takes a flight from san deigo to Tuscon just for a friggin doctors appointment and then returns home the same day?
 
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