So sum it up, was there ANYTHING of interest at the press conferences?

[quote name='MSI Magus']Does it make anyone else sad and feel like all these crap toys are killing miyamotos legacy? I mean if I would have met the guy before I would have seriously been in awe and freaking kissed his ring finger if he asked me to. If I meet him now id be impressed but hardly awed. Its sad how his legacy and the legend of the man that drove our industry is being tarnished.[/QUOTE]

His legacy is unmatched, and this sort of thing actually improves it because he's slowly becoming known outside of gamer circles. All those people who've never played games before think he's a visionary, just as we did back with the NES.

Dood has been making games nonstop for some 30+ years now, and on top of that, he's attacked all sorts of problems, genres, interfaces, and new innovations over that time. He could have just stuck to tried and true methods the whole time - like most devs - playing it safe forever.

His legacy is 100% cemented. Commentary that it is diluted is hilarious. It's like suggestion Bach and Beethoven are crap because they lived so long ago.

Gwen - infractions are a bit much. Wolfpup was probably writing that latest response as you made your post, and probably didn't see it until after he posted.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']I've never had issues with the designs of the consoles themselves like I do this gen.[/QUOTE]

Seriously?

Just taking last gen, we had a tiny cube that used little miny-disks, two consoles that needed memory cards to play games, two consoles that needed ethernet adapters to play online, one console that relentlesly scratched up every disk you put in it because it used a non-standard format, another console that needed an adapter just to use more than 2 controllers, another console whose controller was so large you could use it to crush a grown man's cranium, another console whose controller was spawned from the bowels of hell, one console that repeatedly broke down time after time and the company refused to replace it until a class-action years later that was ignored, another console that was too big to fit in half the entertainment centers available and you had to worry what drive was in yours in hopes that it would actually play the newer games.

I think you're just blinded by nostalgia.

[quote name='Strell']His legacy is 100% cemented. Commentary that it is diluted is hilarious. It's like suggestion Bach and Beethoven are crap because they lived so long ago.[/QUOTE]


It's more like if Bach went senile during middle age and started to tell us that fake crappy music is "more interesting" than real music, and then stumbled around the stage making a fool of himself as mind-numbingly awful music "played" on a screen full of playmobile figures.

p.s. that was mostly sarcasm, I totally respect Myamoto, just trying to make a point.
 
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[quote name='Strell']His legacy is unmatched, and this sort of thing actually improves it because he's slowly becoming known outside of gamer circles. All those people who've never played games before think he's a visionary, just as we did back with the NES.

Dood has been making games nonstop for some 30+ years now, and on top of that, he's attacked all sorts of problems, genres, interfaces, and new innovations over that time. He could have just stuck to tried and true methods the whole time - like most devs - playing it safe forever.

His legacy is 100% cemented. Commentary that it is diluted is hilarious. It's like suggestion Bach and Beethoven are crap because they lived so long ago.

Gwen - infractions are a bit much. Wolfpup was probably writing that latest response as you made your post, and probably didn't see it until after he posted.[/QUOTE]

I think his legacy is cemented. He could from this day onward only create crap and he would go down in history. The difference is how much that legacy will shine. He always has a place at the table of the greatest developers ever.......but I question if he is deserving of being the head of the table. The stuff he works on now is largly crap, everything iv read he is no longer the head of Mario or Zelda games but instead stuff like Wii sports. He tends to take a general hand in everything role but his pet and fav projects are the junk games.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']everything iv read he is no longer the head of Mario or Zelda games but instead stuff like Wii sports. He tends to take a general hand in everything role but his pet and fav projects are the junk games.[/QUOTE]
I don't think expanding his legacy would involve making tons of sequels to games that were better in the past.

I say the best way for Myamoto to expand his legacy is to do what he became legendary for in the first place: make amazing original games and push the medium to new heights.

He's definitely expanding the market with games like Wii Sports and Wii Fit, but the question is, will these things take off and revitalize the industry like Mario did, or are they gimmicky crap that will be ignored and only followed by minigame compilations like "Wii Sports: Resort", and embarrassments like "Wii Music".

Then again, it was Myamoto's genius that came up with the idea for Mario Galaxy, and that was excellent. So I suppose I should just ignore Myamoto's pet projects and realize his position at Nintendo is now mostly about creative input into the games others are making.
 
[quote name='Strell']Gwen - infractions are a bit much. Wolfpup was probably writing that latest response as you made your post, and probably didn't see it until after he posted.[/quote]If that's the case he can always PM me about it. I don't mind discussing things with folks. I just want the threads to stay focused.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Does it make anyone else sad and feel like all these crap toys are killing miyamotos legacy? I mean if I would have met the guy before I would have seriously been in awe and freaking kissed his ring finger if he asked me to. If I meet him now id be impressed but hardly awed. Its sad how his legacy and the legend of the man that drove our industry is being tarnished.[/QUOTE]

I'm mixed on it. Don't think it really tarnishes what he did, but it is-to me at least-a waste of his talent.

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ARGH!!! I just told you to knock it OFF!!! Strell was goofing around, but at least he got the hint. Posts deleted and infractions sent out. Stop disrupting the thread.[/QUOTE]

Excuse me? What exactly is the meaning of this? In the first place, this is my thread. I've been...annoyed...by things Strell's said in the past, but I don't even have an issue with what he's saying here, I think he just didn't understand what I was saying. In no way was my response off topic to this thread-not that it would need to be on topic.

At any rate, I reported that post, not that it will do any good since presumably the same mod will get it. I've NEVER reported a post before-anywhere actually, but I don't take being bullied well.

[quote name='Strell']Gwen - infractions are a bit much. Wolfpup was probably writing that latest response as you made your post, and probably didn't see it until after he posted.[/QUOTE]

Quite true, though I would have written it anyway, and this smacks of bullying.

[quote name='Ex~']Seriously?

Just taking last gen, we had a tiny cube that used little miny-disks, two consoles that needed memory cards to play games, two consoles that needed ethernet adapters to play online, one console that relentlesly scratched up every disk you put in it because it used a non-standard format, another console that needed an adapter just to use more than 2 controllers, another console whose controller was so large you could use it to crush a grown man's cranium, another console whose controller was spawned from the bowels of hell, one console that repeatedly broke down time after time and the company refused to replace it until a class-action years later that was ignored, another console that was too big to fit in half the entertainment centers available and you had to worry what drive was in yours in hopes that it would actually play the newer games.

I think you're just blinded by nostalgia.[/quote]

Personally, I think you're overdoing a lot of those problems. I never had issues with the PS2, nor the 360. I liked all three controllers a lot (only thing I would have changed is making the d-pad on the 'cube bigger). I don't care much about online except for demos so that's not an issue for me (and I still had to buy an adapter for the Wii, plus the later PS2's had Ethernet too...so that's really not much different from this generation). This gen I could go on and on about all the problems, from weird controller design issues to the 360's noise, etc. Part of that of course is just personal preference, but I've never had an issue with previous generations before.

It's more like if Bach went senile during middle age and started to tell us that fake crappy music is "more interesting" than real music, and then stumbled around the stage making a fool of himself as mind-numbingly awful music "played" on a screen full of playmobile figures.
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That unfortunately seems like a really valid comparison...though we could still remember him for what he did in the past, which is what I plan on doing as hard as I can :)
 
[quote name='Ex~']Then again, it was Myamoto's genius that came up with the idea for Mario Galaxy, and that was excellent. So I suppose I should just ignore Myamoto's pet projects and realize his position at Nintendo is now mostly about creative input into the games others are making.[/QUOTE]

How involved was he with Galaxy (really)? I guess it's the same team as DK: Jungle Beat, which I also loved, and which also had the same kind of "vibe" to it-just this really fresh, competent "vibe".

Aside from that, I *LOVED* Pikmin 1, but I'm not sure what else he's done since then that did anything for me. I may be forgetting something obvious though, and I guess he's involved more heavily on the business side of things, which...well short term at least that's going extraordinarily well (though I'm not so sure long term...)

*IF* all this casual stuff can pull people in to playing real full games then that's great. I even agree that people who play real games are going to enjoy or have a use for some of this casual stuff-it's just when ALL of it is casual stuff that's the problem. If it really goes that way, I just hope that the "core" market stays vital and we've always got at least a system or two focusing on us.

EDIT: One problem with this is Nintendo's one of the few companies that makes "real" games that are also 'cute' and G rated. I like violent or deep stuff as much as anyone, but I also enjoy stuff with a brighter, lighter feel to it.
 
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[quote name='Ex~']I don't think expanding his legacy would involve making tons of sequels to games that were better in the past.

I say the best way for Myamoto to expand his legacy is to do what he became legendary for in the first place: make amazing original games and push the medium to new heights.

He's definitely expanding the market with games like Wii Sports and Wii Fit, but the question is, will these things take off and revitalize the industry like Mario did, or are they gimmicky crap that will be ignored and only followed by minigame compilations like "Wii Sports: Resort", and embarrassments like "Wii Music".

Then again, it was Myamoto's genius that came up with the idea for Mario Galaxy, and that was excellent. So I suppose I should just ignore Myamoto's pet projects and realize his position at Nintendo is now mostly about creative input into the games others are making.[/QUOTE]

I have no problem with him working on new innovative games.....if they are good. Stuff like the Wii Fit/Sports etc are just toys for spoiled people that buy every new trend taht comes out. His past games are stuff that hold up to the test of time.....anyone that things Wii Sports or Wii fit will be looked at fondly and as pillars of our industry is mad.

P.S last generation kicked ass. And I never had a problem with either my PS2 fat or Slim.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Excuse me? What exactly is the meaning of this? In the first place, this is my thread. [/quote]In the first place, its CAGs thread. You started it, sure, but when you pay for the servers, then it's your thread.

I've been...annoyed...by things Strell's said in the past, but I don't even have an issue with what he's saying here, I think he just didn't understand what I was saying.
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You guys have an arguement, that's fine so long as it doesn't derail the topic. And i have news for you, no one wants to hear "you said, I meant" over and over and over. It's nonsense.

In no way was my response off topic to this thread-not that it would need to be on topic.
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Y'alls little disagreement continued too long and had nothing to do with the conferences and everthing to do with an online spitting match. That doesn't belong in this thread or any.

At any rate, I reported that post, not that it will do any good since presumably the same mod will get it. I've NEVER reported a post before-anywhere actually, but I don't take being bullied well.
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All mods see all the reports.

Quite true, though I would have written it anyway, and this smacks of bullying.
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Considering you hadn't yet seen the notice,I would have reversed the infraction. Except you then said you would have ignored my notice. So it sticks. Lucky you.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']How involved was he with Galaxy (really)? I guess it's the same team as DK: Jungle Beat, which I also loved, and which also had the same kind of "vibe" to it-just this really fresh, competent "vibe".[/quote]

From what I hear, his involvement on the projects is mostly just snippets of brilliant ideas. He doesn't lead-design the big games anymore, but contributes ideas and solutions.

And if he's involved in the business side of things as has been said in this thread, then he's a genius, and he's cementing a new legacy as a marketing savvy business guru, even if the games fall by the wayside.


To me, it just seems like Myamoto has grown out of videogames. When he says things like he doesn't want online because people will feel bad about being ranked 1,000th on the leaderboard, and stuff like a music toy is "more interesting" than a videogame, it's really telling that Myamoto simply isn't interested in traditional videogames anymore. That's cool, but it certainly doesn't cement his legacy as a videogame god.



p.s. um... maybe this feud between Wolfpup and Strell, and guinaevere now stepping in, should be done through PM's as to not derail the thread? I'm not trying to be a moderator here, I'm sure guinaevere is doing her job well, just saying, seems this stuff should be dealt with in PM's.
 
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[quote name='guinaevere']You guys have an arguement, that's fine so long as it doesn't derail the topic. And i have news for you, no one wants to hear "you said, I meant" over and over and over. It's nonsense.[/quote]

It didn't derail anything IMO, and certainly not to the extent that half of all threads on here get derailed, and no one is forced to read any of it if they're not interested. As I said in the past I've seen things from Strell that strike me as...annoying...but this wasn't even one of those cases (and it may just be that he's misinterpreted other things before). I assume he understands now where I'm coming from if he read my last post that got randomly deleted.

Considering you hadn't yet seen the notice,I would have reversed the infraction. Except you then said you would have ignored my notice. So it sticks. Lucky you.
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I would have ignored it because I was doing nothing wrong and I attempt to stand up to bullying (something I think we all have a responsibility to do-granted this is hardly an "important" case, but still). I'm quite baffled by all this as I've always respected your posts and contributions on these boards and this seems incongruous. No one was being disrespectful, harassing, etc. It wasn't even off topic, not that that should matter, or does in any of thousands of other threads on here.
 
[quote name='Ex~']From what I hear, his involvement on the projects is mostly just snippets of brilliant ideas. He doesn't lead-design the big games anymore, but contributes ideas and solutions.[/quote]

Okay, that's kind of what I was figuring, as Galaxy really does "feel" like DK: Jungle Beat to me...which is weird given how different those games are. I *LOVE* that team and I hope they're being allowed to do whatever it is they want to do next! They've got some fantastic technical people and artists too.

To me, it just seems like Myamoto has grown out of videogames. When he says things like he doesn't want online because people will feel bad about being ranked 1,000th on the leaderboard, and stuff like a music toy is "more interesting" than a videogame, it's really telling that Myamoto simply isn't interested in traditional videogames anymore. That's cool, but it certainly doesn't cement his legacy as a videogame god.
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Well, to be fair I don't like online either, so I could see a game creator just not being interested in that. The music toy thing though makes me sad :cry:

p.s. um... maybe this feud between Wolfpup and Strell, and guinaevere now stepping in, should be done through PM's as to not derail the thread? I'm not trying to be a moderator here, I'm sure guinaevere is doing her job well, just saying, seems this stuff should be dealt with in PM's.
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No idea, but I wasn't aware there was a feud. As far as I know Strell just misunderstood what I said (or meant to say :lol: ). I remain baffled by the rest of it.
 
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[quote name='guinaevere']In the first place, its CAGs thread. You started it, sure, but when you pay for the servers, then it's your thread.[/QUOTE]

That is a ridiculus argument (both sides of the argument.) WE do pay for the servers with OUR money since we all buy many, many things using CAG links that pay for the servers and more. If this was the Official E3 2008 Thread it would be one thing but this is the rant/whine/rave/bitch/cry/summarize thread.
[quote name='guinaevere']If that's the case he can always PM me about it. I don't mind discussing things with folks. I just want the threads to stay focused.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='guinaevere']Considering you hadn't yet seen the notice,I would have reversed the infraction. Except you then said you would have ignored my notice. So it sticks. Lucky you.[/QUOTE] This is derailing the topic not the little argument up above. Why is any of this public and not dealt with through private messages after the warning? I can't figure out if you are on a power trip or do you just not know how to use any tact but at least explain to us how these moderation posts are not off topic and derailing the post further south than the pissing match itself.
 
Well and this is what I don't get because I've always respected her and thought she's one of our best posters, so this is a big surprise to me. I'm probably coming off like a jerk about it, but I do see it as very unreasonable.

At any rate, I don't think anyone's mentioned this yet-has anyone else heard about Miamoto's (sorry I can't spell) comments AFTER the press event?

I heard one site claim he said they're working on a Pikmin 3. The Giant Bomb (former Gamespot) guys describing the same comments said what he mentioned was the Zelda and Mario teams are working on games.

So do we know for sure what he said or what it means? What confuses me about that is if he really did reveal that, why on Earth didn't they mention that in the press conference? Even if it's so early they can't give anything away, they needed to have SOMETHING there for us gamers. Personally if I were handling it I'd even couch it in a little apology "I'm so sorry we don't have much to show our core audience yet, but we have multiple teams working on games we've very excited about, and we'll tell you more as soon as we can!" Something along those lines-one sentence even. It would still be disappointing presence, but it would at least signal us that yeah, they're still Nintendo and they're still making games for us too.
The Giant Bomb guys even brought that up...the people these games are aimed at don't follow e3 coverage-they probably don't even know e3 exists, so I think it's important to at least reassure the base.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']What confuses me about that is if he really did reveal that, why on Earth didn't they mention that in the press conference? [/QUOTE]

DMK has mentioned this a few times, but the best answer is that we - as gamers - keep up on the industry ourselves, and thus E3 doesn't have to serve as a direct conduit to us. I.e., we're going to scour forums and magazines and rumor sections and word-of-mouth and all of that, whereas E3 is seen as a more proper channel for the big 3 to talk directly to the press and gaming journalism world.

And since I know this will come up, yes - there is a HUGE disconnection in logic there, because what it entails is that Nintendo can talk to the press about their projects that aren't specifically aimed at core audiences.

Meaning they use E3 to talk to people who don't know or give two hoots about E3.

It was like how the Smash Bros Dojo over the last year would occasionally talk about stuff everyone already knew about, such as shields. The reasoning was "well people who don't know about Smash might want to learn the basics." YEAH, ok, but none of them are reading the dojo! The only people who know about it are already well informed!

Anyway, this also doesn't mean I don't agree that Nintendo should have said something. I mean come on. Whenever this happens, my direct thought is that if you do not show something, it is because you have nothing. I no longer buy the whole idea that cards are being kept close to one's chest - I just jump that and say the cards are all crap and you've got no hand.

On a related note, there was a TON of stuff missing from this E3, either because they don't exist and the rumors were nonsense to begin with, and/or I just wanted to see updates on some things that are sorely absent (and yes, most of these are Nintendo related, which you can chalk up to my own ignorance):
  • Supposed Prince of Persia spin-off for Wii
  • Supposed MGS spin-off for Wii
  • Punch-out!!
  • Kid Icarus
  • Brutal Legend
  • Team Ico's next project
  • Retro Studios' next project (supposedly a FPA remake of Zelda 1)
  • Factor 5's Wii Project (though supposedly this is Kid Icarus)
  • Professor Layton 2
  • Hotel Dusk sequel (though I personally never think this will ever show up)
  • Monster Hunter 3
  • FF13 "side games" like Versus, the DS iteration
  • Any of the DS RPGs getting announced over in Japan (come ON)
  • Balance Board games (new Warioware title)
  • Wiiware games
  • Duke Nukem....Anything (that nonsense they showed doesn't count)
  • The Bungie announcement that got pulled
  • Any compelling software for Wii MotionPlus
  • Solution to Wii storage problem
  • New Wii Channels

I'm sure there's WAY more stuff I'm forgetting.

Edit: See, I guess Killzone 2 DID get shown. Still, lots of stuff was absent.
 
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On the topic of Myamoto's legacy, I suspect that in the long run a lot more parents are going to become accepting of video games (even Obama is saying parents need to turn off games now) due to the Wii. Kids may start with Wii sports, but eventually they will want more. Very few of us got into games playing text-based dungeon crawlers, first you play frogger, pong, or mario then you gradually want a more complex experience. I think the experience of first party nintendo Wii games is significantly better at creating the next generation of life-long gamers than terrible spongebob games, which was the previous option (no I have never played one, but I think I can say with certainty that they are bad).

In the end, Myamoto may be ensuring the long-term future of the video-game industry.

(There is still no excuse for Wii Music.)
 
To add to what Strell posted, there is a lot, and I mean a lot from Nintendo that we have not heard about. The three main titles mentioned in their conference (Animal Crossing, WiiMusic and WiiSports Resort) are all handled by EAD2. For whatever reason, Nintendo feels they had no reason to show anything beyond casual titles.

I'm not saying I agree with their decision, but Nintendo plays to the beat of their own drum. It's would be completely ignorant to not think that all of these other groups not mentioned do not have something in the pipeline at this point. The only other developers at work that have titles that I can think off the top of my head are Hal Laboratories (Kirby Superstar DS), Fire Emblem DS (Intelligent Systems), and Rhythm Heaven (EAD4?). We know very little about what the rest of EAD, Retro, or a lot of the second party developers have in the oven.

Again, I reiterate that I am fully confident that good titles are in the works, whether or not we'll see some of them before the end of 2008 is something that remains to be seen.
 
[quote name='Strell']...
It was like how the Smash Bros Dojo over the last year would occasionally talk about stuff everyone already knew about, such as shields. The reasoning was "well people who don't know about Smash might want to learn the basics." YEAH, ok, but none of them are reading the dojo! The only people who know about it are already well informed![/quote]

Geez, yeah *I* didn't know about that site!

Anyway, this also doesn't mean I don't agree that Nintendo should have said something. I mean come on. Whenever this happens, my direct thought is that if you do not show something, it is because you have nothing. I no longer buy the whole idea that cards are being kept close to one's chest - I just jump that and say the cards are all crap and you've got no hand.
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Yeah, exactly. And the crazy thing is if they really are working on "real" game projects like he (apparently) hinted at, just letting us know that would have helped a LOT with their image.

On a related note, there was a TON of stuff missing from this E3
-Kid Icarus
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I was hoping this one was true. Of course the problem is in my mind I want it to play something similar to the original, and even if they are working on this I could see it going really really wrong, but still I pretty much expected either this or some new IP or something.

-Retro Studios' next project (supposedly a FPA remake of Zelda 1)
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FPA=first person adventure? At any rate I *hope* they're working on something other than Metroid as (yeah yeah, I mentioned it) I don't like MP3. I'd probably prefer an original IP, but this actually sounds like a really cool idea for a remake or reimagining of some sort!
That reminds me...Retro Studios has to be working on SOMETHING-so bare minimum they could have mentioned that too. They had bones they could have thrown us.

Factor 5's Wii Project (though supposedly this is Kid Icarus)
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Oh I hope not. Unfortunately that sounds disturbingly plausible, given Kid Icarus not being a big license (Nintendo might be willing to let a third party handle it), and given the "Kid Icarus has wings, we make shooters, he can fly and it'll be a shooter!" connection Factor 5 might make. No offense to anyone who likes those guys, but I can't stand their games. I haven't played Lair, but after the reviews for it, I'm just thinking "well duh, have you guys played their LAST two games?" Of course I'm not any good at their games either, so that doesn't help.

But they seem TOTALLY wrong for Kid Icarus. Nothing they've done in well over a decade makes me think they could handle it. I guess I'd either want a 2D or mostly 2D game that sticks closely to the original ideas, or something that incorporates those into a really expansive 3D world. I do *NOT* want a shooter, nor do I want a Devil May Cry/God of War game from it.

[quote name='dallow']My new fave E3 moment.
Miyamoto watching/playing Killzone 2.[/QUOTE]

I really like that just because it shows he's got a curiosity about the rest of the industry and other games. Good to see (and that he seemed to be handling the controls fine, etc.)
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']To add to what Strell posted, there is a lot, and I mean a lot from Nintendo that we have not heard about. The three main titles mentioned in their conference (Animal Crossing, WiiMusic and WiiSports Resort) are all handled by EAD2. For whatever reason, Nintendo feels they had no reason to show anything beyond casual titles.

I'm not saying I agree with their decision, but Nintendo plays to the beat of their own drum. It's would be completely ignorant to not think that all of these other groups not mentioned do not have something in the pipeline at this point. The only other developers at work that have titles that I can think off the top of my head are Hal Laboratories (Kirby Superstar DS), Fire Emblem DS (Intelligent Systems), and Rhythm Heaven (EAD4?). We know very little about what the rest of EAD, Retro, or a lot of the second party developers have in the oven.

Again, I reiterate that I am fully confident that good titles are in the works, whether or not we'll see some of them before the end of 2008 is something that remains to be seen.[/QUOTE]

What else has EAD2 made? If all that junk was from just ONE branch, that's really good news. It just means whoever is running their show presence is INCOMPETENT. People have sold Wiis and they've lost future sales based on that presentation. I guess the only redeeming quality is if focusing on casual stuff causes the "regular" media to focus on it if they do a 30 second blurb on it, which might pass it on to non-gamers. That's the ONLY reason I can think that makes any sense. But even then they needed to come out later in the day in a less formal way to let the gaming press know that real games were still a significant part of their development.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']What else has EAD2 made? If all that junk was from just ONE branch, that's really good news. It just means whoever is running their show presence is INCOMPETENT. People have sold Wiis and they've lost future sales based on that presentation. I guess the only redeeming quality is if focusing on casual stuff causes the "regular" media to focus on it if they do a 30 second blurb on it, which might pass it on to non-gamers. That's the ONLY reason I can think that makes any sense. But even then they needed to come out later in the day in a less formal way to let the gaming press know that real games were still a significant part of their development.[/QUOTE]


EAD2 pretty much develops their casual line, so everything except WiiFit, which is why I was very surprised the games listed at the conference was all we heard about.

Since I assume the other teams aren't just sitting around at Nintendo twiddling their thumbs (or as popular opinion would have it, counting their large bags of cash), stuff in the works. Nintendo just chose not to mention it for whatever insane reason they choose to. Maybe they're planning another Nintendo Summit/Spaceworld? Maybe they want to debut games closer to their release to keep the hype down (Aug-Oct)? Maybe Itawa really enjoys seeing us suffer? Or maybe they don't really want to admit that there's nothing planned for the rest of the year?

I don't know, and I can't say I really agree with whatever reasoning they've chosen to remain mum on the issue. But it's not going to change much, so I just move on and catchup on my backlog of games.
 
We can all agree that Nintendo's press conference was a mismatch of speech to audience. If this stuff were to debut on the Today show or Oprah I'd be perfectly happy. Of course I could be completely wrong, and E3 was in fact filled with mommy bloggers, mainstream press, and news outlets and a few games journalists. I doubt it, since I've seen zero coverage of it on the news or newspapers.

Back to the topic, I think the Cooking Navi for the DS is actually really cool and took too long to come out in the US. If there is one thing that Americans love more than music, it's food. It could (and should) be huge with college students. Unfortunately I'm not one anymore.:whistle2:|
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']I really like that just because it shows he's got a curiosity about the rest of the industry and other games. Good to see (and that he seemed to be handling the controls fine, etc.)[/QUOTE]

Err... he wasn't even playing the game...
 
I'm sure all these game developers have the other companies' consoles readily available to play, if not have one themselves
 
[quote name='Ex~']p.s. um... maybe this feud between Wolfpup and Strell, and guinaevere now stepping in, should be done through PM's as to not derail the thread? I'm not trying to be a moderator here, I'm sure guinaevere is doing her job well, just saying, seems this stuff should be dealt with in PM's.[/quote]After recieving the PMs about this thread and the little "you said, I meant" quibble, I threw out the request for the bickering to stop publicly as I always do. The replies were made within the thread, so I replied in kind.

As you and spoo (who is annoyed at my posts being public, but not so annoyed as to make his complaint private which seems in contradiction to his concern :lol: ) feel the discussion ought remain private, it is now being conducted in this manner. Though they are more than welcome to reply in this thread if they feel more comfortable doing so.


That said and behind us, please keep to the topic of "summaries of anything interesting at the press conferences."
 
[quote name='happy']On the topic of Myamoto's legacy, I suspect that in the long run a lot more parents are going to become accepting of video games (even Obama is saying parents need to turn off games now) due to the Wii.
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I think you are putting the cart before the horse. The Wii being popular is a result of the public at large becoming more comfortable with video games in general because they have been around for decades now and are an established part of popular culture. The Wii just happened to be in the sweet spot for this broader acceptance by people because of that. The Wii didn't cause it...just profited from it.
 
[quote name='Gavin']I think you are putting the cart before the horse. The Wii being popular is a result of the public at large becoming more comfortable with video games in general because they have been around for decades now and are an established part of popular culture. The Wii just happened to be in the sweet spot for this broader acceptance by people because of that. The Wii didn't cause it...just profited from it.[/QUOTE]

I think its a little of both. That the mainstreame was at a place ready to accept gaming....but also that the Wii created an experience that made it easy for them to want to try it.
 
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