So why does every one on here hate Sony.

[quote name='terribledeli']And long or short. Depending if I remembered to mowed.[/QUOTE]


fuck me that didn't make any sense. I need to stop trying to post when I'm at the photo center.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']WTF, the PS2 launch was terrible. The only reason it may not have looked bad was getting a brand new EA Sports game which had next level graphics. Otherwise, it was just prettier PS1 games. Third party wise, I'd say the PS2 launch was better, but Sony published games, the PS3 launch was better (at least they had Resistance, which way better than Sony's only first party launch game of Fantavision).

I'm not saying PS3 had a much better launch, because it definitely doesn't compete with what the PSP and DC had.[/quote]

Meh, SSX was more revolutionary than any game in the PS3 launch (it's still fun seven years later). Wheras the PS3 had one good game that PS2 launch had some great scattered releases like DOA 2: Hardcore, Tekken Tag, Smuggler's Run, UT, and Street Fighter EX3. The PSX had more quality games at its launch too, such as the revolutionary Ridge Racer, Tekken, Motor Toon Grand Prix, etc.
 
I guess I'm lucky because my 360 has been problem free so far *knocks on wood*. It does sound like a jet plane taking off sometimes, though.

Seriously, this thread is just rehashing the same 360 vs PS3 arguments from last year. My favorite game right now is Forza2, but if the PS3 was $400 or less with Gran Turismo 5 HD, I'd be playing that just as much too.

Let's all just move on already.

So...how 'bout them PS2 imports...
 
[quote name='jer7583']I hate doing the list thing, but in it's first year, 360 had Geometry Wars, DOA4, Fight Night, Oblivion, GRAW, Saint's Row, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider, Gears, Rainbow Six, Not to mention a more rounded launch lineup. Of those, only Gears and R6 came out at the end of the year.

Not to mention if you're going to ask $600 to your competitor's $400, you better be offering even more than they have by that much. Unfortunately, that's not the case in software, and it won't be for a long time.

PS3 reminds me of the N64 in that first year. I'm sure they'll pull out of it, but not before the Wii gets a big leg up on both of them. Good thing the PS2 is still selling, and the PSP is waking up from being the hype machine.

What was the problem with SF2T? Lag issues were mostly resolved after the launch.. I played it a ton and didn't notice problems aside from the usual lag that happens when you plug netcode into a 15 year old arcade game that wasn't made for netplay.. You really don't lose any chance to say something negative against everyone but Sony, do you?[/QUOTE]

I really don't care about your list of 360 games (for one thing, I was comparing the same length of time, and you seem to be adding fall and winter '06.) I didn't provide an exhaustive list and I sure as hell am not going to come up with a comparison chart of every single last game that came out within the time period for both systems. When all is said and done, PSN games and all, they're about equal to me. 3 of those games are out or on the way for the PS3 as well...it'll really come down to your personal opinion. You see the N64 launch, I see something nearly identical to the 360 launch. I also remember just about everyone bitching about the lack of games to play this time last year. plus, each one has something the other doesn't. thus, "subjectively speaking." My list of good 360 games would be very different, and the games I like on the PS3 thus far, I like better. I make use out of everything the system has except 1080p, so the price is worth it to me. Is that okay or will this not end until I concede that my opinion is wrong? :lol:

I do have negative things to say about the PS3. plenty. As for Sony the corporation, I don't care. A PR guy's attitude doesn't influence my purchasing choices one way or another. I guess that's why I can enjoy Team Ninja games too.

the whole PR angle is surely the dumbest point of criticism people have these days on gaming forums. All of these guys from Reggie to Krazy Ken to Peter Moore--they're all arrogant shmucks--that's how they became successful business men. :roll:

and oh boy, SF2...the lag issues were not resolved. that's not what happens when you plug netcode into a 15 year old game. that's what happens when your devs are lazy as shit on a stick and/or incompetent. There are plenty of examples of old games that are online that run fine--namely UMK3 and MK2 (on the PS3.) I play the game with fighter thread people every once in a while, we get "Establishing Connection" messages every few matches. And what the hell is up with character select screen lagging like crazy all the time. It plays well enough, but for a 15 year old game that took almost a year to port, it's pretty rough around the edges. When I hop from SF3 online, to SF2, the difference is just mind boggling...there's no excuse.
 
[quote name='Apossum']they can't just crap out killer apps to curb their lack of sales. the 360 had GRAW, Oblivion, and Dead Rising for the first 8 months of its first year. The PS3 is pretty much following the same pattern-- VF5, Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden, and Lair are the AAA titles carrying its first 8 months of its first year. That's how it goes, the devs save everything for the Fall/Winter.

anyway, subjectively speaking, there's a lot more to play on the PS3 at this point in its life than the 360 last year at this time. between Oblivion and Dead Rising there was the worst port of an SF2 game ever and that's about it.[/QUOTE]

At this point Oblivion doesn't matter, because the people who would have truly wanted it, got it on 360 / PC, VF has never been a great seller (despite being the greatest fighting series ever) and Lair is not only unproven, but is getting less positive industry buzz with each passing day.

On 360 you failed to mention GRAW and DOA4 (which shocks the hell out of me, you being a TN fanboy and all), amongst other titles. The 360 had a better first year, at a lower price.

[quote name='Apossum'] When all is said and done, PSN games and all, they're about equal to me. I make use out of everything the system has except 1080p, so the price is worth it to me. Is that okay or will this not end until I concede that my opinion is wrong? :lol:
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Then it's pretty much over. YOU like the PS3, that doesn't make it good. That's why there's always some dumbass popping up hating on _______ Review Mag / Site because they gave ________ a _/10; people have a really hard time discerning from their opinion and what's really going on.

You can like the PS3, there's nothing wrong in that, but don't try and act like it doesn't have a ton of problems, that it's doing okay, that it had a better launch than PS1 & PS2, that it has a similar library that the 360 had in it's first year.
 
i like Sony. the PS1 and PS2 are my favorite consoles. i'll probably get a PS3 like 5 years from now. the PSP seems to be a neat little gadget. they make nice flat panel TV's.

as for the viability of PS3, i think it'll eventually pull around. probably not in '07, but sometime in 2008. if they can establish their online service and crank out a few AAA titles (GoW, Final fantasies, etc.) they'll be back in it.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']No, my NES has given me problems for several years, having to blow the cartridge several times. That's the whole reason I never got into NES much and rarely play it (I just get sick of it). Heck, even my Atari 2600 which was older, most every game worked the first time. My Turbo 16 Grafx is also very old, yet I don't have issues getting games to work.[/quote]All you have to do is bend the pins to restore the tension or install a new 72-pin connector. The ZIF connector was a good idea that was unfortunately poorly implemented.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']At this point Oblivion doesn't matter, because the people who would have truly wanted it, got it on 360 / PC, VF has never been a great seller (despite being the greatest fighting series ever) and Lair is not only unproven, but is getting less positive industry buzz with each passing day.

On 360 you failed to mention GRAW and DOA4 (which shocks the hell out of me, you being a TN fanboy and all), amongst other titles. The 360 had a better first year, at a lower price.[/QUOTE]

While the PS3 is facing a huge drought, I would say the PS3 has the 360 beat, as far as first year line ups are concerned. I realize the majority of PS3 games are 360 ports, but that doesn't really take away from the list of available games for PS3 owners (unless they are also 360 owners). So, as far as what is available to play for PS3 owners during the same time frame (which is what, I believe, apossum was getting at), the PS3 has the 360 beat, and will definitely have it beat by the end of this year (when comparing it to the first year of the 360). Of course, the PS3 has the benefit of GTA, DMC, MGS4 (doubtful) hitting this year.

Also, I realize all of this is pointless, seeing as how NO ONE will care which console had the better first year, as that is pretty meaningless to judge. Yes, the 360 may have had a lesser software line up its first year, but it kills the PS3 in terms of software now, and anyone looking at both systems will see that.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']360 is cheaper, yea, but I'd rather spend an extra $100 for a system that isn't going to break 37 times for no reason.

The games are awesome, but when your system is at Microsoft for a month for the 3rd time in a year, that really doesn't do you any good.

People leave their PS3's on constantly to do the folding thing - most people are scared to leave their 360 on, period. I wager *no one* would ever leave a 360 on overnight to do folding, if it existed on 360.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I left my PS3 on in remote play all day to try accessing it on my PSP from a friends house....whereas I cringe when my 360 is on.

It always makes these really weird loading sounds that make my heart skip. I'm so afraid my 360 will die any moment. Great great system...just feels...cheap.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']At this point Oblivion doesn't matter, because the people who would have truly wanted it, got it on 360 / PC, VF has never been a great seller (despite being the greatest fighting series ever) and Lair is not only unproven, but is getting less positive industry buzz with each passing day.

On 360 you failed to mention GRAW and DOA4 (which shocks the hell out of me, you being a TN fanboy and all), amongst other titles. The 360 had a better first year, at a lower price.
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I mentioned "the first 8 months of the year" which doesn't include DoA4, but anyway, you can't just discount games because you wouldn't buy them. I wasn't trying to provide an exhaustive list, and I'm sure you don't know enough about PS3 releases to even make a proper argument, but check it out...

Then it's pretty much over. YOU like the PS3, that doesn't make it good. That's why there's always some dumbass popping up hating on _______ Review Mag / Site because they gave ________ a _/10; people have a really hard time discerning from their opinion and what's really going on.

You can like the PS3, there's nothing wrong in that, but don't try and act like it doesn't have a ton of problems, that it's doing okay, that it had a better launch than PS1 & PS2, that it has a similar library that the 360 had in it's first year.
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Yeah, I like it, that's what I said. I know you really wanted to buy my PS3 when I was considering selling it, so don't act like you don't want one as well :rofl:

If you guys really need it laid out for you, go compare the Xbox 360 2006 release list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

to the PS3 release list here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

you'll see plenty of overlap of games from the first year of the 360. Not as many games, but not as much random filler either. In the end, it's subjective. There's a case for and against each library, and a slew of extra variables like BC and extra features. it's hardly an N64 situation, where only 2 games are out for the system for a year :lol:

As for your little theory of subjectivity, it goes both ways. I own both systems, I know the strengths and weaknesses of both. I also know what I would get if I asked about people's opinions on the problems of the PS3 (some bs.) The only real problem, as in "major objective flaw that's hurting the system," is the price, since Sony is damned if they do drop it and damned if they don't. The games thing is totally subjective and the drought will be over this Fall/Winter.

My only intention was to show that it's not nearly as bleak as you guys make it out to be. I don't care which system wins or whatever, I just like writing arguments, but you don't need to admit the PS3 is awesome, just that if you don't think it's competing and getting better as time goes on, you're wrong.

There, now it's over. :lol:
 
I don't hate any console, the only thing I hate is content that's downloadable only.

That having been said - just look at the forums for what is generating excitement. In the Wii and 360 forums, there are 20 recent posts on all sorts of exciting game anouncements. In PS3, it's all about "wow the vizualizer is amazing" and Tekken 6.
 
[quote name='camoor']I don't hate any console, the only thing I hate is content that's downloadable only.

That having been said - just look at the forums for what is generating excitement. In the Wii and 360 forums, there are 20 recent posts on all sorts of exciting game anouncements. In PS3, it's all about "wow the vizualizer is amazing" and Tekken 6.[/quote]

Don't you know, it's all about releases that are coming out months from now, not the fact that you spent $600 on something with no good games right now.
 
[quote name='camoor']I don't hate any console, the only thing I hate is content that's downloadable only.

That having been said - just look at the forums for what is generating excitement. In the Wii and 360 forums, there are 20 recent posts on all sorts of exciting game anouncements. In PS3, it's all about "wow the vizualizer is amazing" and Tekken 6.[/quote]

You obviously blacked out for the 12-18 months of the majority of every console released in the past 15 years.
 
[quote name='camoor']I don't hate any console, the only thing I hate is content that's downloadable only.

That having been said - just look at the forums for what is generating excitement. In the Wii and 360 forums, there are 20 recent posts on all sorts of exciting game anouncements. In PS3, it's all about "wow the vizualizer is amazing" and Tekken 6.[/QUOTE]



That's because all the good announcements were made at Sony Gamers Day and now we're just waiting for the Fall and Winter for the stuff.

and the visualizer is fucking awesome. :lol: (and so is Tekken 6 and DR:Online)
 
[quote name='Apossum']That's because all the good announcements were made at Sony Gamers Day and now we're just waiting for the Fall and Winter for the stuff.

and the visualizer is fucking awesome. :lol: (and so is Tekken 6 and DR:Online)[/quote]
Sony's Gamer Day didn't have that many new game announcements. You mean you all are waiting for E3 next month.

Plus, I don't see the exciting new announcement threads in any of the system forums.
 
[quote name='Rozz']Don't you know, it's all about releases that are coming out months from now, not the fact that you spent $600 on something with no good games right now.[/quote]

:lol:

To be fair, it's a really cheap bluray player.
 
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