Superman Returns is now out..so let talk about it people!

[quote name='2Fast']Which leads me to this observation: James Marsden (the guy who plays Cyclops in the X-Men movies) had more face time in Superman Returns than he did in all of the X-Men movies combined.[/quote]

Near the end of the film a guy in the crowed yelled out
"Cyclops saved Superman!"
which a normal crowed would have been pissed, but at a midnight screening, everyone laughed since they where thinking the same thing :)
 
Batman movie hints?

"Get on that Birthday Clown Massacre story!", the mention of Gotham when Supes was flying around the world and the henchman with the Joker tatoo.

The Gotham mention aside, the other two could be little previews of Batman 2.

Or im bored and looking for weird crap. You decide!
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']Batman movie hints?

"Get on that Birthday Clown Massacre story!", the mention of Gotham when Supes was flying around the world and the henchman with the Joker tatoo.

The Gotham mention aside, the other two could be little previews of Batman 2.

Or im bored and looking for weird crap. You decide![/QUOTE]

yep yep, we will probibly see a Batman/Superman "World's Finest" movie sometime after the second batman and superman movies come out.
 
SPOILER

I thought the movie was good, but not great. It dragged on too long with too little significant action. The whole dead-beat dad thing just enough to tip the balance and make you not like the film at the end after seeing more scenes of superman being saved than him doing anything spectacular.

And him having his son as a sidekick is just dumb. Where is our Superman/Batman movie??
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
Where is our Superman/Batman movie??[/QUOTE]


a superman batman movie was going to happen but then things moved on and turned into batman begins. don't worry fellow fan boy.. its gonna happen, but for now if you want to get your batman/superman fix, there are several DCAU dvds out now including JL Season 2 that came out last week.
 
Alright after exspecting this movie to be wanna be 80s cheese it was fucking great.
Everyone did a great job acting wise including the girl who played lois who looks to young for the part infact she probly did better than routh who did above avrage hopefuly he will do better in the next one.

The action was great the special effects were alot better than just about any movie ive seen alot of the flying from far away looked real not cartoonish or 'spidermanish'.

Good storyline that left u wanting a sequel but where do we go from here with the kid? It was like cause the movie was great I can exept this stupid lil twist but now we have to live with it?? I dont wanna see him dealing with this kid in every movie and this kid growing and being his side kick..KILL HIM OFF! it would never hapen but it would work for me.

We need superman vs batman these are the best comic book movies to come out in years the company actualy cares about the situation they arnt whored out like marvel.

They did say that after they made batman and after superman they would decide so we can hope.
 
I saw it on Imax last night. It was a decent movie, but I didn't think it was as good as the media said it would be. The movie was too long and I hated how the entire focus was the Lois and Superman love plot. Besides that, it was good.
 
[quote name='ananag112']I saw it on Imax last night. It was a decent movie, but I didn't think it was as good as the media said it would be. The movie was too long and I hated how the entire focus was the Lois and Superman love plot. Besides that, it was good.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with you on your post and add some.

I thought the movie was good but definitely not great. The action was good but nothing substantial actually took place. All of the action scenes they showed were more like side battles, they should not have been the bulk of what showed Superman in action.
The final battle against Lex Luthor was..............wait there wasn't one!!

Some of the actors were miscast due to acting inability or age, mostly Kate Bosworth which I like but was wrong for this movie. The story seemed to be written for an older cast but everyone was like in their mid-20's. One thing that kind of bothered me was that Clark looked a lot like Jason Schwartzman from Rushmore just a little older. James Marsden was better than he has been in awhile, which I was happy with, as was Spacey, Langella and Eva Saint(Mrs. Kent) and I liked the throw-back footage of Brando. The kid was a little too old. Shouldn't he have been like 4 going on 5 not 7.

I liked the conitnuity that tied it to the older films and other DC characters but the Superman as a lover and baby daddy just didn't seem right. They focused a little too hard on the "One that got away" theme. The running theme that I didn't really didn't like was Superman as a Savior. The one son sent to earth to save humanity. It's always been there but never brought to light as obvious or blatantly and seems to take away from the movie more than help it. It also seems to be a running theme in a lot of recent movies but I didn't feel it was necessary here as it doesn't pertain to the Superman character in any form I have every seen.

It had jokes that worked and some that didn't, clues or hints that hit and some that missed(with me anyway) . Some that were driven into the ground by obvious repetition. Like I get that the kid was sick and all but do I have be told every 5 minutes, it was obvious by the half-way mark that he would be Superman's kid.


All in all I did enjoy the movie though it wasn't the surprise hit I wished I would get amazed by. I didn't have high hopes for this title and it lived to that level of hype. In some ways it was the Superman movie you have always wanted but for the most part it was another mediocre attempt at a classic superhero franchise. I had wanted to watch it in an Imax theatre but the one near me was sold out at for the day I had time to watch it so I ended up seeing it at a new AMC theater they just opened recently which is nice as fuck. If anyone thinks watching it in an Imax would improve the viewing pleasure please let me know.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Like I said in the other Superman Returns thread, the acting looks cheesy and hammy and the dialog is just as bad. [/QUOTE]

Holy shit, you did see the other ones, right?

And I'm saying that liking the other movies.
 
Well despite my claims that I'd never see it my friend talked me into it and I just got back a little bit ago. I must say, it was exactly what I expected. Incredibly boring. The only part that makes me happy is that I only spent $4 on it because anything more than that and I could have put the money to much better use, like giving it to a bum.

Way, way too long of a movie. The end sequence was unneccessary. No final villain battle, wait no villain battle at all. They don't even see each other until the very end...

I'd give thise movie 2 stars out of 5. One star for Lex Luthor/Kevin Spacey and one for the airplane sequence at the beginning. The airplane sequence was just amazing. At that point I was thinking that maybe I had this movie all wrong and it actually would have some excitement but then it all fell apart and it went back to the long drawn out garbage.

This was not a comic book or super hero movie. It was a 2 and 1/2 hour romantic drama (because there was absolutely no action aside from a few assorted scenes) with an "S" and a cape. About half way through I just quit caring if Superman was going to stop Lex and was just wishing for it to be over. Superman's kid pissed me off every bit as much as I thought it would.

The plot, oh wait there wasn't one. It was a scheme by Lex that didn't really make a whole lot of sense to begin with. The other 2 hours of the movie was spent showing us Superman Returned (no shit, you don't say?I didn't get that from the fucking title or the first 30 minutes but continuing with itagain and again finally made me figure it out).

Who the fuck's idea was it to cast Parker Posey in this movie? Now, if your going for campy I can understand but don't be serious one minute, campy the next, and put Parker fucking Posey in the movie and expect us to take it seriously. No, just no. She's a joke, come on.

I'm not even sure if any of the writers ever picked up a Superman comic but there was so much stuff that was just off that it couldn't even get the comic book fan in me to like it. Its sad when a 1 hour weekly teenage drama (Smallville) can capture a character better than a movie.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Well despite my claims that I'd never see it my friend talked me into it and I just got back a little bit ago. I must say, it was exactly what I expected. Incredibly boring. The only part that makes me happy is that I only spent $4 on it because anything more than that and I could have put the money to much better use, like giving it to a bum.

Way, way too long of a movie. The end sequence was unneccessary. No final villain battle, wait no villain battle at all. They don't even see each other until the very end...

I'd give thise movie 2 stars out of 5. One star for Lex Luthor/Kevin Spacey and one for the airplane sequence at the beginning. The airplane sequence was just amazing. At that point I was thinking that maybe I had this movie all wrong and it actually would have some excitement but then it all fell apart and it went back to the long drawn out garbage.

This was not a comic book or super hero movie. It was a 2 and 1/2 hour romantic drama (because there was absolutely no action aside from a few assorted scenes) with an "S" and a cape. About half way through I just quit caring if Superman was going to stop Lex and was just wishing for it to be over. Superman's kid pissed me off every bit as much as I thought it would.

The plot, oh wait there wasn't one. It was a scheme by Lex that didn't really make a whole lot of sense to begin with. The other 2 hours of the movie was spent showing us Superman Returned (no shit, you don't say?I didn't get that from the fucking title or the first 30 minutes but continuing with itagain and again finally made me figure it out).

Who the fuck's idea was it to cast Parker Posey in this movie? Now, if your going for campy I can understand but don't be serious one minute, campy the next, and put Parker fucking Posey in the movie and expect us to take it seriously. No, just no. She's a joke, come on.

I'm not even sure if any of the writers ever picked up a Superman comic but there was so much stuff that was just off that it couldn't even get the comic book fan in me to like it. Its sad when a 1 hour weekly teenage drama (Smallville) can capture a character better than a movie.[/QUOTE]


yea you have some valid points here

also like to add what my friend (who was pumped up for this movie) said

-SUPERMAN IS A STALKER LOL
you go away for 5 years without telling the girl you banged that your leaving and expect to go back to you?

how did he get to Krypton in the first place? He can't fly there..also where the hell did he get his ship?

Luthor takes his boat to the artic just like that??

Wonder why he didn't try to look for Zod and gang.

Its obivous Global warming had no effect on the FOS icey surroundings lol

SUPERBOY? WTF??

and what another Cagger said what happened at his showing

"CYCLOPS SAVED SUPERMAN!!!!!"

ROTFL
 
You kids are whack...movie was fucking fantastic. Maybe it's different for those of us who grew up with (and loved) Superman '78 and Superman 2 '80?
 
[quote name='Scrubking']SPOILER

I thought the movie was good, but not great. It dragged on too long with too little significant action. The whole dead-beat dad thing just enough to tip the balance and make you not like the film at the end after seeing more scenes of superman being saved than him doing anything spectacular.

And him having his son as a sidekick is just dumb. Where is our Superman/Batman movie??[/QUOTE]



Pretty much nailed it for me with the deadbeat dad thing, I was liking the movie then that odd ending comes up and I couldn't help but leave the theater wondering what the hell I just saw. There is no way in the world Supes would just leave it at that, not to mention i'm shocked Lois never questioned just why she had Superman's baby if her memory of the event was erased.


I do also agree the pacing was rough in spots, I thought that crystal scene in the basement lasted about 15 minutes too long, I could stomach something like that the first time around but on repeated viewings I can tell that will just be a chore to sit through.
 
[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']You kids are whack...movie was fucking fantastic. Maybe it's different for those of us who grew up with (and loved) Superman '78 and Superman 2 '80?[/QUOTE]

i dont hate it or love it

i did rewatch the '78 release on dvd prior to watching this movie and Super man 2....and I knew it I knew it..............he wasn't wearing a fucking condom!!
 
[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']"Weren't there two of them?"

Don't tell me you didn't laugh...[/QUOTE]

which scene was this?
 
This movie was a bit to long it needed a touch of editing thats my complaint..for those complaining that it was cheesy..have u seen spiderman? how about spiderman deliverying pizzas and grabbing a left behind slice with his web?

The only cheesy part in this whole movie was the 'its a bird its a plane u wanna see me chief' moment and who realy cares this was a solid movie an adult could be entertained with.
 
The best part of this film was the Spider-Man 3 teaser - and I don't even think that counts. As has already been mentioned: Luthor's plot is confusing and illogical and his character is completely underutilized; Lois Lane is a negligent mother (who the fuck takes their child to a possible base of criminals?!?), a shallow partner to James Marsden, and a complete imbecile (seriously Lois, doesn't Clark look at all familiar?); Superman is a brooding loser who laments at never getting Lois despite his complete lack of initiative; and frankly, the entire city deserved to die because anybody stupid enough to not see a link between the five year absence of Superman and the five year absence of Clark Kent deserves a good painful death.

I found the whole movie very boring (except for the fantastic airliner sequence) because all it had was a contrived romance between two people I had no real reason to care for. The film also falls way short in its villain/hero relationship as both Lex and Superman don't even appear on screen together until about 75% through the film. Why should we care about their rivalry? What have they really done to each other? And in the case of Superman himself, why should I ever be concerned that he won't be able to save people on time? I mean the guy has, like, 15 unique superpowers for every occasion, so you never really feel the drama of a possible danger (except during the airline sequence).
 
Man what I disappointment. Everything was GREAT except the story. Story started good but then at the end it really didn't make any sense ( it made sense but not for a superman movie).

Spiderman 3 Trailer = WOW btw
 
I really liked the movie, maybe it's because I walked in not expecting much, but it's still a damned good movie. It's quite humorous too, I laughed quite a bit throughout the whole film. The only bad part was the story, I have to agree with most people here. The ending also seemed to drag on and on, but whatever.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']yea you have some valid points here

also like to add what my friend (who was pumped up for this movie) said

-SUPERMAN IS A STALKER LOL
you go away for 5 years without telling the girl you banged that your leaving and expect to go back to you?

how did he get to Krypton in the first place? He can't fly there..also where the hell did he get his ship?

Luthor takes his boat to the artic just like that??

Wonder why he didn't try to look for Zod and gang.

Its obivous Global warming had no effect on the FOS icey surroundings lol

SUPERBOY? WTF??

and what another Cagger said what happened at his showing

"CYCLOPS SAVED SUPERMAN!!!!!"

ROTFL[/QUOTE]

I kept saying the same thing about Superman being a stalker. I think I ticked off my friends about that. Then at the end where he just shows up in the kid's room I said "wow, the stalker thing has gone to a whole new level now." The other thing I said was when Lois and Cyclops were in the sea plane about to leave and they embrace each other, "Get offa me, you ain't my baby's daddy!"

The never explain how he flew all the way to Krypton and back. If the yellow sun gives him his power (which they do acknowledge at various points in the movie) then he would lose all his power as soon as he left our solar system thus die in the vastness of space. Not to mention the fact that even if Superman flew at the speed of light (which he can't) then it would take longer than 5 years for a round trip. Hell, they even have Jor-El say, "by now, I'll have been dead for thousands of years" because of how long it must have taken Clark to float from Krypton to Earth originally. Very blatant plotholes.

[quote name='basketkase543']The best part of this film was the Spider-Man 3 teaser - and I don't even think that counts.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, Spidey 3 had me nearly giggling like a school girl.
[quote name='basketkase543']As has already been mentioned: Luthor's plot is confusing and illogical and his character is completely underutilized;[/QUOTE]
They explain what he's doing but they don't explain why. Ok, he makes a new continent. Then what? He's gonna start charging rent on it? How's he going to stop the military from wiping him off the face of the Earth? He only had 4 henchman and they weren't very smart or strong to begin with. So all the American Military needs to do is come in, wipe out Luthor and start moving everyone to the new continent. Its not like it was growing fast enough so that they wouldn't have time to react...
[quote name='basketkase543'] Lois Lane is a negligent mother (who the fuck takes their child to a possible base of criminals?!?),;[/QUOTE]
See, that's the biggest problem with having a child in a movie like this. It drags it down WAY too much. Now they (Superman and Lois) will constantly be having to keep track of the kid. There's a reason why almost no superheros have kids, they're too hard to keep track of and too easy of a target for villains. Imagine if they do a sequel, what are they going to do with the kid? Have him be the plot of a villain's scheme (tired and cliche) or throw some tights on him and make him Superboy. Sidekicks for superhero movies are almost always cheesy and just don't work. Look at Batman Forever and Batman & Robin... That's the reason I'm glad that Chris Nolan has said no to having Robin in the next Batman movie. And its not like they're going to be able to go back and say, "oh maybe we shouldn't have had the kid in there" and just ignore that he was in this movie. Unless the writers come up with a great idea (which judging by this movie, they won't) or they're completely stuck at this point. I just don't understand how Bryan Singer could have written this, it was absolutely horrible compared to his writing on the X-men movies. The plot was weak to non-existent and the dialog sounds like it was written by a 5th grader.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You may be right, it may not ruin the movie but it certainly ruins the character. Just because something happens at the end doesn't mean it can't ruin the entire movie as a whole though. As far as my "fanboy showing" I'm not even sure what you mean by that. I read comics but I'm indifferent toward Superman and don't read any of his titles unless there's a crossover.

Had they made Superman Returns look even remotely interesting I would have probably gone to see it at midnight with my friends last night. At this point though, it goes beyond just not finding the movie interesting to just flat out being dumb. Like I said in the other Superman Returns thread, the acting looks cheesy and hammy and the dialog is just as bad. For a movie that's trying to take itself as seriously as Superman Returns, there's no reason to have such cheesy scenes like "what is it, a bird? a plane?" "Did somebody call me?" :roll: The only highlight would be an assorted smattering of special effects and the only interesting thing I saw in the trailer would be the plane scene and the bullet into the eye. Definetly not enough to get me to go and sit through 2 hours and 37 minutes. Also, the movie is based on some of the most boring movies I can remember watching as a child. Had they gone the Batman Begins route and just started over I would have had a much cleaner slate with regard to my opinion. Hell, I had a decidedly negative opinion of Batman Begins before I saw it but I gave it a chance simply because it was a fresh start. I was pleasantly surprised because it ended up being one of my favorite comic book movies of all time.[/QUOTE]

The look up in the sky scene is a homage to the history of the character. Having the kid take a picture of Superman w/ the care over his head is the same. Having the guy who played Jimmy Olsen on the TV show work at the bar was a homage as well. The whole idea w/ a character w/ this much history is to acknowledge his/her history. It's like in X3 when Wolvie and Colossus hook up for the Cannonball special.
 
[quote name='2Fast']I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I thought Brandon Routh did an excellent job at playing Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent/Superman, although Routh's Clark Kent wasn't as good as Reeve's, in my opinion. Routh (in the movie at least) sounds just like Christopher Reeve and at times made me do a double take, since I thought I was looking at Reeve (although I don't think he looks as much like Reeve as everyone says he does). The visuals were truly fantastic.

Minor complaints: Kate Bosworth did not portray Lois Lane very well; at least not the Margot Kidder Lois Lane that she was supposed to be. My other qualm is what has been stated in the discussion above, although I'm really not all that bothered by it as some people appear to be.

I also could not help but think that this movie was about Superman and Cyclops, since James Marsden has such a prolific role in it, but that's more just the random-thinking-nerd in me coming out.

Which leads me to this observation: James Marsden (the guy who plays Cyclops in the X-Men movies) had more face time in Superman Returns than he did in all of the X-Men movies combined.[/QUOTE]

Very true about Marsden b/ Rat Ner screwed up and had him killed in X3. Liked X3 b/ it was soooo not related to the comics.
 
[quote name='Bivensra']Very true about Marsden b/ Rat Ner screwed up and had him killed in X3. Liked X3 b/ it was soooo not related to the comics.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. You could have spoilered that for those who haven't seen it.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I kept saying the same thing about Superman being a stalker. I think I ticked off my friends about that. Then at the end where he just shows up in the kid's room I said "wow, the stalker thing has gone to a whole new level now." The other thing I said was when Lois and Cyclops were in the sea plane about to leave and they embrace each other, "Get offa me, you ain't my baby's daddy!"

The never explain how he flew all the way to Krypton and back. If the yellow sun gives him his power (which they do acknowledge at various points in the movie) then he would lose all his power as soon as he left our solar system thus die in the vastness of space. Not to mention the fact that even if Superman flew at the speed of light (which he can't) then it would take longer than 5 years for a round trip. Hell, they even have Jor-El say, "by now, I'll have been dead for thousands of years" because of how long it must have taken Clark to float from Krypton to Earth originally. Very blatant plotholes.


Exactly, Spidey 3 had me nearly giggling like a school girl.

They explain what he's doing but they don't explain why. Ok, he makes a new continent. Then what? He's gonna start charging rent on it? How's he going to stop the military from wiping him off the face of the Earth? He only had 4 henchman and they weren't very smart or strong to begin with. So all the American Military needs to do is come in, wipe out Luthor and start moving everyone to the new continent. Its not like it was growing fast enough so that they wouldn't have time to react...

See, that's the biggest problem with having a child in a movie like this. It drags it down WAY too much. Now they (Superman and Lois) will constantly be having to keep track of the kid. There's a reason why almost no superheros have kids, they're too hard to keep track of and too easy of a target for villains. Imagine if they do a sequel, what are they going to do with the kid? Have him be the plot of a villain's scheme (tired and cliche) or throw some tights on him and make him Superboy. Sidekicks for superhero movies are almost always cheesy and just don't work. Look at Batman Forever and Batman & Robin... That's the reason I'm glad that Chris Nolan has said no to having Robin in the next Batman movie. And its not like they're going to be able to go back and say, "oh maybe we shouldn't have had the kid in there" and just ignore that he was in this movie. Unless the writers come up with a great idea (which judging by this movie, they won't) or they're completely stuck at this point. I just don't understand how Bryan Singer could have written this, it was absolutely horrible compared to his writing on the X-men movies. The plot was weak to non-existent and the dialog sounds like it was written by a 5th grader.[/QUOTE]

Go enjoy a chocolate-covered pretzel there, Brody.

I don't suppose they explained how Luthor was going to get away with, say, blowing up California (especially since he would have owned all the beachfront property.

Seriously, I think a lot of people dissing the movie are discounting two very important things:

A) He's the last son of Krypton. Not a story exactly based in reality, so you can play around with things, like creating a continent and getting away with it (In Supes's world, if there wasn't at least the possibility of getting away with something, there wouldn't be a Luthor).

B)HE'S TEH LAST SON OF fucking KRYPTON! Enjoy the fact the movie wasn't totally fucked up by Nic Cage, McG, Jon Peters, Joel Schumacher and giant enemy crabs. We could have done a LOT worse, and hopefully this resurrects the franchise for the good.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Thanks. You could have spoilered that for those who haven't seen it.[/QUOTE]


Welll if it makes you feel any better it was in the first 5 minutes
 
yea the whole lets build my own crystal rock island was so stupid. You would think that he would try to develop new weapons and sell it off to the military for billions right? Funny thing is that if I were Luthor I would start finding ways to use those crystals to defeat Superman first. Now that would be the Luthor we all know. The only smart thing Luthor did was embed that Kryptonite with the crystal to make his island safe from Superman.

Luthor your a fucken idiot.
 
[quote name='godhatesjustyou']The ending also seemed to drag on and on, but whatever.[/QUOTE]


And on and on and on and on and on..... The pacing in the third act was terrible; I no longer cared what the hell happened to anybody! I just wanted to move the plot forward!

Anybody else get annoyed when Lex explained his plot to Lois in the boat? And by his completely useless nameless thugs? And by his girlfriend who has the epiphany of how evil Lex really is? It was honestly one cliche after another.
 
It actually took Superman 4 earth years to go from Krypton to Earth in Superman(1) the movie. I think jar-el meant that it has been a thousand years in Kryton time since he died. Also, I re watched Superman 1 and 2 and I find it funny how much of the dialogue is reused in Superman Returns. I think the director tried a bit to hard to make it seem like Superman(1).

I wish that they did a Batman begins type thing and start the franchise over again. I would love to see Lex portrayed like he was in the cartoon series. He should be a respected business man to the public, but be a criminal mastermind on the dl. Lex is too one dimensional in the movies.
 
[quote name='ananag112']It actually took Superman 4 earth years to go from Krypton to Earth in Superman(1) the movie. I think jar-el meant that it has been a thousand years in Kryton time since he died. Also, I re watched Superman 1 and 2 and I find it funny how much of the dialogue is reused in Superman Returns. I think the director tried a bit to hard to make it seem like Superman(1).

I wish that they did a Batman begins type thing and start the franchise over again. I would love to see Lex portrayed like he was in the cartoon series. He should be a respected business man to the public, but be a criminal mastermind on the dl. Lex is too one dimensional in the movies.[/QUOTE]

amen brotha

but no reboot please.... batman begins did it good the first time..no need to start rebooting shit like crazy or else we will get the Lucas Prequel Syndrom.
 
Getting from Earth to Krypton and back... The crystals can be used for multiple things, even War machines as Lex said. Using some of it to make a ship isnt too far fetched as far as these films go.
 
The only thing I've ever wondered about Superman (in the movies at least) is how come his suit is never damaged?
 
[quote name='basketkase543']I thought that scene was kinda lame. OMG, Lex is sooo evil that he has an evil dog!!111![/QUOTE]

...what?
 
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Damn...I really hope we get a Batman/Superman movie in the near future. Maybe even a Justice League movie would be cool.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Go enjoy a chocolate-covered pretzel there, Brody.

I don't suppose they explained how Luthor was going to get away with, say, blowing up California (especially since he would have owned all the beachfront property.

Seriously, I think a lot of people dissing the movie are discounting two very important things:

A) He's the last son of Krypton. Not a story exactly based in reality, so you can play around with things, like creating a continent and getting away with it (In Supes's world, if there wasn't at least the possibility of getting away with something, there wouldn't be a Luthor).

B)HE'S TEH LAST SON OF fucking KRYPTON! Enjoy the fact the movie wasn't totally fucked up by Nic Cage, McG, Jon Peters, Joel Schumacher and giant enemy crabs. We could have done a LOT worse, and hopefully this resurrects the franchise for the good.[/QUOTE]

See, I have no problem with this being a fantasy type tale. Hell, that's its only redeeming quality. I also have no problem with them having crystals that can make entire continents but tell me WHY a villian is doing what he does, don't just say he's doing it just because he can. That's such a cop-out to just say, oh well its a fanstasy tale so the plot doesn't have to make sense. Lord of the Rings is a fantasy story and manages to make a coherent plot with reasons for villian's actions. Hell, even X-men 3 which everyone loves to hate so much had a much stronger reasoning for the main villian's actions.

As far as a Superman Batman movie goes, only if they put Chris Nolan in charge. If Singer gets to make it it would be like making a Martini out of gin and piss. Sure the gin (Batman) may be top shelf but the piss (Singer's Superman) would totally ruin it.

[quote name='Bivensra']The look up in the sky scene is a homage to the history of the character. Having the kid take a picture of Superman w/ the care over his head is the same. Having the guy who played Jimmy Olsen on the TV show work at the bar was a homage as well. The whole idea w/ a character w/ this much history is to acknowledge his/her history. It's like in X3 when Wolvie and Colossus hook up for the Cannonball special.[/QUOTE]

I realize that there was an homage to their character's history. The car was the cover of his first appearance and who doesn't know the up in the sky thing? The problem is that the dialog came across as absolutely horrible. IT was dialed in and sounded like it was right directly off of a cue card. It wasn't necessarily the words that made that scene horrible but the awful, dreadful acting. Easily some of the worst I've ever heard in a movie.

Oh and I almost forgot. There is indeed a story of Superman having a son. The story is called Son of Superman but its what's called an Elseworld (what DC calls an alternate universe story) tale. Some other ones are Superman True Brit (what if Superman crash landed in England and was raised English, written by John Cleese and has got some pretty funny moments) and Superman Red Son (same idea as True Brit only substituting communist Russia but from what I've heard its a lot more serious story).
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']See, I have no problem with this being a fantasy type tale. Hell, that's its only redeeming quality. I also have no problem with them having crystals that can make entire continents but tell me WHY a villian is doing what he does, don't just say he's doing it just because he can. That's such a cop-out to just say, oh well its a fanstasy tale so the plot doesn't have to make sense. Lord of the Rings is a fantasy story and manages to make a coherent plot with reasons for villian's actions. Hell, even X-men 3 which everyone loves to hate so much had a much stronger reasoning for the main villian's actions.
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Lex stood there, with a pointer, and explained exactly to Lois what he was doing and why. Did you take a badly timed piss break?
 
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Why did u expect a friggin' boss fight? All LEx has is kryptonite....


Redvsblue, he does it because the only thing people cannot create is "land" and he wanted to have this massive source of technology, like when he compared it to the A-bomb... and he wanted to have the other countries jealous of his powerful device and "pay out of the nose for it."

BTW, I wasn't planning on seeing this movie, but I did anyway and had low expectations... and I was surprised. now, is it a good movie? Hell yes! A great movie? Maybe. Better than batman begins? HELL NAW! BAtman begins was fun the whole time and IMO had a much better setting.
 
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Damn...I really hope we get a Batman/Superman movie in the near future. Maybe even a Justice League movie would be cool.[/quote]

Where is that from.
 
[quote name='help1']SPOILERS (btw, how do you do that higlight thing)



Why did u expect a friggin' boss fight? All LEx has is kryptonite....


Redvsblue, he does it because the only thing people cannot create is "land" and he wanted to have this massive source of technology, like when he compared it to the A-bomb... and he wanted to have the other countries jealous of his powerful device and "pay out of the nose for it."

BTW, I wasn't planning on seeing this movie, but I did anyway and had low expectations... and I was surprised. now, is it a good movie? Hell yes! A great movie? Maybe. Better than batman begins? HELL NAW! BAtman begins was fun the whole time and IMO had a much better setting.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I understand the whole thing about not being able to create new land but what was he expecting. Ok, creates this new continent and all right? So then how does he stop people from just "settin' up shop" on it without his permission? Its not like any government is going to back him up legally, especially considering I think he was technically still a fugitive. He creates the land but he has no way to stop people from just squatting on the land and taking it from him. For a villain who's only super power is intelligence, there wasn't a whole lot of planning there.

[quote name='help1']Where is that from.[/QUOTE]

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I watched it earlier this evening and have to say I enjoyed almost every minute of it. Found myself having to ignore some plot holes, but overall I thought it was great. Only thing though -
Kal Penn as a tough bad ass kicking the shit out of anybody, let alone Superman... I'm sorry but it just doesn't work. I guess he'll always be Kumar to me.
 
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