Terminator Salvation: Blu-Ray/DVD Out NOW! Directors Cut

Well atleast the ending that was leaked is not true even though McG has said that it was at one time being looked at to be the ending. I don't think I will go to the midnight showing but I will check it out thursday after work.
 
The 21st is a Thursday. So even with a midnight showing it is a Thursday. Here we get it 12:01 Thursday or as the ad showed Wednesday. So it is not in theaters Friday atleast it does not open on a Friday.
 
Off topic, but does ANYONE have this:

Terminator2-TEASER-EXTREME.QUALITY.r3nd3z.wmv

AKA, the best teaser trailer made, ever.
 
I guess I'm the only one on CAG who went to the midnight showing.

The movie was pretty good.

I saw it at the IMAX.

Not so much a "Terminator" movie (doesn't follow the formula of the last three films), but a war movie in the Terminator universe.

Great acting by Worthington (never seen his films, but I'll be on the lookout from now on) and Anton Yelchin (a surprising favorite actor of mine). Bale was solid as always and Common stinks as usual (stick to rapping).

I'd give it a B-.
 
I just got back from seeing the midnight, and I can say that I am disappointed. However, the film is still enjoyable, and worthy of watching, but it is nothing spectacular. I guess I just had high hopes from all the trailers, and my love for Terminator franchise, especially the Sarah Connor Chronicles TV Show.

Star Trek still holds the crown for best summer movie so far, and Transformers may be the only film I think that can beat it.

what disappointed me about the movie was:

-It tried to pay tribute to past terminator films, with the classic lines like "I'll be back" or "come with me if you want to live", but they did not have any heart or charm to them. It just felt cheesy

-I love the idea of war in the future against machines, but this movie did not really capture that feeling.

-I wish there were more terminators. It seemed like there was only one terminator shown at a time. It would have been cool to see an army of terminators. Instead we just see Terminator/SkyNet ships, and stupid terminator fishes.

-Aside from Kyle Reese, John Connor, and Marcus Wright, all the other actors did not get much attention, or just seemed like background characters instead of a good supporting cast.

-The ending was not that great either, and just pretty much tells you there is going to be
a sequel because they only won the battle, but not the war.

Bottom Line: Still a good summer film, nothing epic. I give it a 7.5/10.
 
[quote name='tenzor']I just got back from seeing the midnight, and I can say that I am disappointed. However, the film is still enjoyable, and worthy of watching, but it is nothing spectacular. I guess I just had high hopes from all the trailers, and my love for Terminator franchise, especially the Sarah Connor Chronicles TV Show.

Star Trek still holds the crown for best summer movie so far, and Transformers may be the only film I think that can beat it.

what disappointed me about the movie was:

-It tried to pay tribute to past terminator films, with the classic lines like "I'll be back" or "come with me if you want to live", but they did not have any heart or charm to them. It just felt cheesy

-I love the idea of war in the future against machines, but this movie did not really capture that feeling.

-I wish there were more terminators. It seemed like there was only one terminator shown at a time. It would have been cool to see an army of terminators. Instead we just see Terminator/SkyNet ships, and stupid terminator fishes.

-Aside from Kyle Reese, John Connor, and Marcus Wright, all the other actors did not get much attention, or just seemed like background characters instead of a good supporting cast.

-The ending was not that great either, and just pretty much tells you there is going to be
a sequel because they only won the battle, but not the war.

Bottom Line: Still a good summer film, nothing epic. I give it a 7.5/10.[/QUOTE]

Yea I saw it at midnight too... The theater was very crowded.

I agree on what you said. So was the woman who was talking to Marcus in the lab SKYNET or some AI program?

The visual effects were pretty good. I was expecting the sounds of the Harvester to be more haunting than the Tripods from WotW (2005).

The appearance of the T-800 in Arnold's body was too brief.

So this movie showed how Connor got his facial scar as seen in the second movie intro.

If you notice, "You could be mine..." music Connor played to capture the Mototerminator was the same song he was playing when he and his pal where on the way to the mall in the second movie.

I wonder if the destruction of this skynet base delays the deployment of the t-800 for years.

The ending just fizzled out.

This movie might just make enough to break even.
Be aware that there is an updated Transformers trailer attached to it with more scenes.

There is this new movie coming out called District 9...that looks interesting.
 
[quote name='tenzor']
-It tried to pay tribute to past terminator films, with the classic lines like "I'll be back" or "come with me if you want to live", but they did not have any heart or charm to them. It just felt cheesy
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I think the only reason it felt cheesy was because it wasn't the first time we'd heard them. I thought it was a decent enough homage without being overly cheesy.

And technically, it was the first time those words had been said, since Kyle was a teenager and hadn't had John in the past yet, and the T-800 models hadn't been unleashed (in the future) yet. If anything, this was the origin of the phrases.

or something.

I enjoyed the movie, I could nitpick on minor things, but overall, I was definitely entertained. Some parts dragged a bit. Sam Worthington was great, and "Moon Bloodgood" is quite possibly the most awesome name for an actress to have ever.
 
[quote name='zewone']I guess I'm the only one on CAG who went to the midnight showing.

The movie was pretty good.

I saw it at the IMAX.

Not so much a "Terminator" movie (doesn't follow the formula of the last three films), but a war movie in the Terminator universe.

Great acting by Worthington (never seen his films, but I'll be on the lookout from now on) and Anton Yelchin (a surprising favorite actor of mine). Bale was solid as always and Common stinks as usual (stick to rapping).

I'd give it a B-.[/QUOTE]


Were you smoking crack when you saw it? This movie I'm still trying to process. Some of it was good some of it was bad. You can tell it was two different teams that wrote it. Nolan and them other asshats that did Rise of the Machines. It was not as bad as RotM but no place near T2 or Terminator. If I had to give it a grade it would not be much lower than yours and would be a C+ untill I see what was deleted when they put it on the DVD.

Also I wanted to see it at midnight but thought I have to work today even though it was only 6 hours I did 12 yesterday so I would have been up from 3 a.m. Wednesday till now. Plus I hate being in a theater with a lot of people. However if it was not for having to be at work I would have went for the 12:01 showing.

[quote name='tenzor']I just got back from seeing the midnight, and I can say that I am disappointed. However, the film is still enjoyable, and worthy of watching, but it is nothing spectacular. I guess I just had high hopes from all the trailers, and my love for Terminator franchise, especially the Sarah Connor Chronicles TV Show.

Star Trek still holds the crown for best summer movie so far, and Transformers may be the only film I think that can beat it.

what disappointed me about the movie was:

-It tried to pay tribute to past terminator films, with the classic lines like "I'll be back" or "come with me if you want to live", but they did not have any heart or charm to them. It just felt cheesy

-I love the idea of war in the future against machines, but this movie did not really capture that feeling.

-I wish there were more terminators. It seemed like there was only one terminator shown at a time. It would have been cool to see an army of terminators. Instead we just see Terminator/SkyNet ships, and stupid terminator fishes.

-Aside from Kyle Reese, John Connor, and Marcus Wright, all the other actors did not get much attention, or just seemed like background characters instead of a good supporting cast.

-The ending was not that great either, and just pretty much tells you there is going to be
a sequel because they only won the battle, but not the war.

Bottom Line: Still a good summer film, nothing epic. I give it a 7.5/10.[/QUOTE]


I didn't catch the "I'll be back" line but I did catch the "Come with me if you want to live" line and thought it was great. I thought Anton Yelchin said it very well and played Kyle Reese well. I didn't even catch it till now but the "What day is it" and "What year" said by Marcus was a quote of Kyle from the first movie. I just got it when I read the line on imdb in a post talking about the quotes.

I have to agree about it not capturing the future war well.

Their was only one Terminator shown at a time other then on the assimbly line. I do like the idea of them having them in the water. Cameron never said they did and never said they didn't unless I missed it being said or shown. It seems like some of them fit in the movie but were just done wrong. For the most part the harvester. The idea for it was great but it just didn't look right.

I agree when it comes to the other characters and how much they were used. I think Blair was used well but could have been used a little more. Sam Worthington should have been John Connor and Christian Bale not in the movie at all or given the part of Marcus Wright. IMDB.com has an FAQ that says Cameron suggested Worthington for the Marcus character but I have read that Cameron never infact read the script for Salvation. I also want to say that some place (here or terminatorfiles.com's forums) I saw a link to an article that said Cameron suggested Worthington for the part of Connor. Also that damn kid that was around Kyle all the time should have not been in the movie at all. I saw no point for the character other then what they were paying the actor taking from the budget.

The ending for me was great. I expected the leaked one and from the way the built it up you can tell that is what we were going to get till they found out fans would have been pissed. If they would have gave that ending they would have shit all over the series.

McG said in an interview about the deleted scenes and the DVD/BD about the ending being where John and Kyle buried Marcus. I expected that to be before the credits but it wasn't then I expected it to be after them. Did anyone see this ending. I'm starting to even wonder now if it would have fit with this movie.
[quote name='ITDEFX']Yea I saw it at midnight too... The theater was very crowded.

I agree on what you said. So was the woman who was talking to Marcus in the lab SKYNET or some AI program?

The visual effects were pretty good. I was expecting the sounds of the Harvester to be more haunting than the Tripods from WotW (2005).

The appearance of the T-800 in Arnold's body was too brief.

So this movie showed how Connor got his facial scar as seen in the second movie intro.

If you notice, "You could be mine..." music Connor played to capture the Mototerminator was the same song he was playing when he and his pal where on the way to the mall in the second movie.

I wonder if the destruction of this skynet base delays the deployment of the t-800 for years.

The ending just fizzled out.

This movie might just make enough to break even.
Be aware that there is an updated Transformers trailer attached to it with more scenes.

There is this new movie coming out called District 9...that looks interesting.[/QUOTE]

The woman was just a face projected by Skynet of someone Marcus would be comfortable in seeing. Atleast I'm going to guess it was Skynet seeing how it is the only AI program in the series.

The visual effect were good however at times it just seemed like it was shot in a room that was one large green screen. The background just didn't look like the actor fit in it. Now that you mention it the Harvester's sound was a bit lacking.

It might delay the building of the t-800 but I'm betting that was not the only place they were building them. Also this is what 11 years before Kyle goes back in time. In The Terminator I got the feeling the T-800s were new within the past few years. So I'm guessing they come out around 2027.

I don't think the CG Arnold fit the movie at all and it should have been cut. However now that I think about it what they were paying that stupid kid to play the stupid kid that was always around Kyle that had no point in the story could have been put to making the CG head of Arnold on the body of Roland Kickinger look better.

I have to agree with the ending. It seemed like they almost didn't know how to end it after the ending they wanted to go with was leaked. However I'm glad they did what they did and didn't use the leaked ending.

I see it doing a little better then breaking even after it is out world wide and with world wide dvd sales.

One thing I did not like was
they did not use the audio from Linda Hamilton recording the tape for John from The Terminator. You could tell her voice had aged when John was playing the tapes. The one tape (first one he played I think) was almost word for word what was in the first movie. What I hated about it was they added dialog to it not at the beginning or end but in the middle. Atleast I think they did. I will have to watch the first movie again to know for sure. The other tapes it did not bother me as much because she could have recorded them later.

EDIT: I did like how
they showed how John got the scar on his face from T2.

EDIT 2: Also where was I when they showed
http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/headlines/temp/temp1325.jpg
 
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the C+ I should say is stretching it. hell maybe I said that because I just got back home from seeing it and expected more and when I saw someone say it was pretty good I couldn't see why. Their were times when it started I wanted to walk out and for a long time the best part to me was the opening credits. I like how they did it like they were writing it in code. I came really close more then once to ask the usher walking around if the movie got better then what it was.

Hell if an extended cut does come out and it does not make it all fit together chances are it will go from a C+ to a C at best. Hell it may even go lower then that.

Like I said you can tell this was more than one group of writers working on this at different times. The first half of the movie all the scenes with John Connor just felt like they were put in it just so Bale could have more screen time. The scenes with Worthington just seemed like they fit more. Around the last half of the movie was when it felt like the scenes with Connor were actually put in the movie to start. Worthington is what is giving this movie for me a C+. Hell if they would have casted someone other then Bale for the part of John Connor it might have been a B.

Also is it bad that I think that Terminator:TSCC was better? Well if you take out all the filler episodes.

Hell I'm still trying to figure out what I watched. Was it a Terminator movie that at times was crap, ok and at other times good. Hell I'm not even sure if I'm trying to force myself to like this movie. I think I'm going to have to atleast see it again to see what I really think.

At one point I would have gave RotM a B but now that I have really watched it and Terminator and T2 enough RotM went to a D. If it wasn't for some of the scenes it would have been a C.
 
[quote name='sendme']the C+ I should say is stretching it. hell maybe I said that because I just got back home from seeing it and expected more and when I saw someone say it was pretty good I couldn't see why. Their were times when it started I wanted to walk out and for a long time the best part to me was the opening credits. I like how they did it like they were writing it in code. I came really close more then once to ask the usher walking around if the movie got better then what it was.

Hell if an extended cut does come out and it does not make it all fit together chances are it will go from a C+ to a C at best. Hell it may even go lower then that.

Like I said you can tell this was more than one group of writers working on this at different times. The first half of the movie all the scenes with John Connor just felt like they were put in it just so Bale could have more screen time. The scenes with Worthington just seemed like they fit more. Around the last half of the movie was when it felt like the scenes with Connor were actually put in the movie to start. Worthington is what is giving this movie for me a C+. Hell if they would have casted someone other then Bale for the part of John Connor it might have been a B.

Also is it bad that I think that Terminator:TSCC was better? Well if you take out all the filler episodes.

Hell I'm still trying to figure out what I watched. Was it a Terminator movie that at times was crap, ok and at other times good. Hell I'm not even sure if I'm trying to force myself to like this movie. I think I'm going to have to atleast see it again to see what I really think.

At one point I would have gave RotM a B but now that I have really watched it and Terminator and T2 enough RotM went to a D. If it wasn't for some of the scenes it would have been a C.[/QUOTE]


I agree with everything you said.
 
Can't say I was impressed after walking away from the theater. The movie had a lot of action but I kept thinking you know shouldn't there be waves of Terminators running around now? The more humanoid models seemed to be lone wolves . Story was pretty weak and that ending was pretty hokey. But after reading the original intended ending that was leaked i'll take the current one over it any day of the week.


Better then 3 but nowhere near 2 about sums it up for me
 
Best part was "You Could Be Mine" moment. Nostalgia rush big time. Movie was OK but I'm not really excited for a sequel.
 
[quote name='zewone']I'm smoking crack because I gave it a B- and you gave it a C+?[/QUOTE]

:lol: So he's pretty much bitching about 1 point?
 
I was lucky enough to get to see the screening this past Monday. It was no IMAX, but after watching Star Trek on IMAX, I was happy enough to get this on regular screen.

I like the movie. It was entertaining. It doesn't seem like a Terminator movie (it lacks the Terminator feel to it). I thought Worthington and Chekov was pretty good, and Bale was alright. I feel like this movie is just going to bridge the gap or set up for the fifth movie that they want to do.

Connor said "I'll be back." to his wife when he was leaving the base to the Skynet headquarters.
 
[quote name='coolsteel']Can't say I was impressed after walking away from the theater. The movie had a lot of action but I kept thinking you know shouldn't there be waves of Terminators running around now? The more humanoid models seemed to be lone wolves . Story was pretty weak and that ending was pretty hokey. But after reading the original intended ending that was leaked i'll take the current one over it any day of the week.


Better then 3 but nowhere near 2 about sums it up for me[/QUOTE]

That is why I like this ending. The leaked one was so bad and shit all over the series that who ever thought of it should never be able to write a terminator script again and McG willing to film it should dever be able to direct a Terminator movie again. Hell everyone that was willing to be in the shot and in this movie that did not through a bitching fit about that ending should not be able to be in a nother Terminator movie. MGM needs to do the next one and if not them it should go to Lionsgate before WB. I know MGM has first dibs on the next one but if they reject the script chances are WB will give it the OK just so they can be the ones to get the next movie.

As for the army of terminators yes they should have had more. They should have watched the first two movies with the flash backs to the future war. WOW that is messed up flash backs to something that has yet to happen. Anyway they should have looked at what Cameron filmed for the future war and it be like that. Early model ground H.K.s and flying H.K.s all over the place and T-600s walking around.

I really hope MGM takes the script to the next movie fires the douchebags that wrote it because it will be the same ones that did this one and RotM and gets a better writer to fix the script. By fix the script I mean don't just make it so it has more John Connor and ad scenes that dont seem like they fit or atleast fit in the place they are in. They need someone to just redo the script and take what few good ideas that were in it out and make them better.

EDIT: In order for me to like this movie I'm trying to find all the things I did like and focus more on them. Another thing that I liked about this movie was
when Marcus, the usless character and Kyle were all at the Jeep and Marcus got it running. The radio was still on and it was playing Alice in Chains Roster. They picked a great spot in the song to start up with and end with being the "Ain't found a way to kill me yet" the vers they played fit well with this movie. Seeing how the machines have not found a way yet to kill Kyle and even though he was not on screen or in that scene Connor. Also being that later you find out that Marcus was to kill them and they still couldn't do it. It just fit so well and the funny twist being that Marcus was to kill Kyle.
 
I just feel like everyone is nitpicking too much. I could nitpick all day about this movie but I don't because that would ruin it for me. Normally I totally don't let things slide but I'm willing to because this is the first movie I've seen in theaters since Quantum of Solace.

Yeah, it took me that long to get over it.
 
I'm pretty sure the war that Cameron had a "flash back" to hadn't happened yet in Salvation's storyline. This seemed to be an early battle. For the T and T2 movies to happen, John had to send back a T-800. This alone suggests that T-800s were fairly common.
When he breaks into the Skynet factory, I'm pretty sure that the T-800 that busts out was only a prototype, based on his reaction to seeing it.
Salvation seems to be pretty early on in the resistance fight.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I'm pretty sure the war that Cameron had a "flash back" to hadn't happened yet in Salvation's storyline. This seemed to be an early battle. For the T and T2 movies to happen, John had to send back a T-800. This alone suggests that T-800s were fairly common.
When he breaks into the Skynet factory, I'm pretty sure that the T-800 that busts out was only a prototype, based on his reaction to seeing it.
Salvation seems to be pretty early on in the resistance fight.[/QUOTE]

Salvation takes place 11 years before John sends Kyle and the 800 back. I know you wont see 800s all over the place but I did expect to see 600s more then we did. Maybe not all over the place but I did expect more. Maybe not like we saw in the first two movies but more than what we saw in this one. Also they did not have a rubber mask it was rubber skin. Well I could be wrong about that and will have to check the movie out again but I'm 90% sure Kyle said skin not a mask. So they should have had it all over and not just on their head.

I had more about all of this that I was going to say but I went to click a tab in IE and clicked the x instead so I lost all of it and don't remember what all I had typed. I know it was based off of what you had said and the 600s and 800s also the dogs.

I know it was me bitching again about how they should have used a dog instead of that usless kid to detect the terminators how ever that would then fuck shit up with marcus because the dog would never stop barking.
[quote name='DaChicagoBear1']I give it a B, decent movie not the best... better than T3 and the Arnold Cameo was good[/QUOTE]

The Arnold cameo looked like shit. However this is better then 3.

EDIT:

[quote name='Hydro2Oxide']I just feel like everyone is nitpicking too much. I could nitpick all day about this movie but I don't because that would ruin it for me. Normally I totally don't let things slide but I'm willing to because this is the first movie I've seen in theaters since Quantum of Solace.

Yeah, it took me that long to get over it.[/QUOTE]

What I had also talked about in my first post and I think this is where the bitching about the dogs comes into play was from this post.

I know most of what I'm saying is nitpicking but if your going to make a Terminator movie and not a war movie with robots you need to do it right. The biggest issue I have with this movie as a movie is the fact that the scenes don't seem to fit together well. Some seem like somthing was cut that should not have and some seem like they just don't belong there at that time.

As for it being a terminator movie the
Sarah tapes atleast the one is bull shit. They could have used the original tape from the first movie or had Linda redo the recording. What ever they did they needed to keep the same dialog. They added to it though and not at the beginning or at the end of the tape but in the middle.
 
I Expected you know, more of a war. As opposed to about 15 Terminators total tops in the movie.

And I'm sorry, but the T-800 still fights like a girl. Lots of smacking and scratching.
 
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The first 90 minutes of this movie was the best comedy of 2009.

Action was good though and it kinda-sorta pulled together in the last act.

4.5/10
 
This is bullshit, I thought a future-war Terminator flick would have a full on fucking WAR, like the opening scene in T2.

I haven't seen it myself, but from you guys are saying, there are simply not enough Terminators in this film. I will have to confirm.
 
I have spent three days searching for some common reason for this.its help me

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[quote name='Mr. Anderson']This is bullshit, I thought a future-war Terminator flick would have a full on fucking WAR, like the opening scene in T2.

I haven't seen it myself, but from you guys are saying, there are simply not enough Terminators in this film. I will have to confirm.[/QUOTE]



Even though Skynet had factories pumping them out yeah you only see like one at a time actually doing any killing . That in itself made no sense, at the very least two should be partnering in case one is destroyed. The main weapon in the movie were those flying drones. Anyway the more I think about it the more I think that Conner shouldn't even have been in the movie, should have just stuck to Marcus waking up and exploring the new hellish world with maybe bits of John Conner's speech over the radio playing here and there to let you know he is out there.
 
you would've thought that skynet after having it's 2 main targets in it's home base would send every damn Terminator in there to go kill them, T-fish, drones, hunters, motorcycles, 600's, T-mosquitoes [maybe they exist] you name it to go eliminate john connor. The arnold CG was some of the best CG work i have seen, i was impressed by the way he looked he was spot on, only disappointment was that he didn't speak. I thought he recorded lines for the movie, he should've at least said "terminate target" or some crap like that.
 
[quote name='anubis20']you would've thought that skynet after having it's 2 main targets in it's home base would send every damn Terminator in there to go kill them, T-fish, drones, hunters, motorcycles, 600's, T-mosquitoes [maybe they exist] you name it to go eliminate john connor. The arnold CG was some of the best CG work i have seen, i was impressed by the way he looked he was spot on, only disappointment was that he didn't speak. I thought he recorded lines for the movie, he should've at least said "terminate target" or some crap like that.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with this and it was another thing that didn't make sense, two TOP priority people in a factory, Skynet knows this but doesn't either blow up the factory or send everything in a 100 mile radius against them. Instead bah let one Terminator deal with it while the other thousand in the factory being built at the very moment don't go online.
 
[quote name='coolsteel']Even though Skynet had factories pumping them out yeah you only see like one at a time actually doing any killing . That in itself made no sense, at the very least two should be partnering in case one is destroyed. The main weapon in the movie were those flying drones. Anyway the more I think about it the more I think that Conner shouldn't even have been in the movie, should have just stuck to Marcus waking up and exploring the new hellish world with maybe bits of John Conner's speech over the radio playing here and there to let you know he is out there.[/QUOTE]

At first Bale only had 8 days of filming and thought it was pointless for him to go and film for only a week. So they added more to it for Bale to be filming more then 8 days. It was more about Marcus at first till Bale came along. I'm starting to wonder now if dumber and dumber actually wrote a good Terminator movie and then Nolan came and made it worse just so Bale could work longer than 8 days. This should have been more about Kyle and Marcus at first then when Skynet gets Kyle it should have been about John and Marcus trying to get Kyle free. It was like that but you should have not seen much of John before him and Marcus meet. I'm actually now wondering what them dumbasses wrote before Nolan got his hands on it. Also I'm thinking McG only wanted Bale to play John Connor because he didn't think people would go see this with out Bale.

[quote name='anubis20']you would've thought that skynet after having it's 2 main targets in it's home base would send every damn Terminator in there to go kill them, T-fish, drones, hunters, motorcycles, 600's, T-mosquitoes [maybe they exist] you name it to go eliminate john connor. The arnold CG was some of the best CG work i have seen, i was impressed by the way he looked he was spot on, only disappointment was that he didn't speak. I thought he recorded lines for the movie, he should've at least said "terminate target" or some crap like that.[/QUOTE]

I never thought about this but the only thing I can think of is maybe non of them in fthe factory were online. They might not have had their chips put in yet and
you see their power cells siting there and John rigs them to explode. Also you see Marcus shut down the guns along the building. So maybe he did somthing so that nothing else would come to stop them. He might have also done something so that the 800s would not come online while they were there. As for 600s they were to slow and would have taken to long to get there.
That is how I look at it for that to make since.
 
[quote name='sendme']At first Bale only had 8 days of filming and thought it was pointless for him to go and film for only a week. So they added more to it for Bale to be filming more then 8 days. It was more about Marcus at first till Bale came along. I'm starting to wonder now if dumber and dumber actually wrote a good Terminator movie and then Nolan came and made it worse just so Bale could work longer than 8 days. This should have been more about Kyle and Marcus at first then when Skynet gets Kyle it should have been about John and Marcus trying to get Kyle free. It was like that but you should have not seen much of John before him and Marcus meet. I'm actually now wondering what them dumbasses wrote before Nolan got his hands on it. Also I'm thinking McG only wanted Bale to play John Connor because he didn't think people would go see this with out Bale.

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Interesting, so potentially Bale and Nolan fucked the movie over then. It's just that in my head I could see the movie working much better as Kyle and Marcus meeting up as he tries to find the doctor, leave all the poorly done resistance mess out ( raised too many questions, supplies anyone?) and have the movie sort of do a lead in for the next movie. I mean for a planned trilogy I was really surprised at how self contained the movie was.
 
Yes, and that is sad that theis two could have made this worse then what it could have been considering how bad RotM was. I'm shocked that the idiots that did that movie could have had a good script if it wasn't for Bale and Nolan. If you have the preview guid channle/tv guid channle they had a one hour thing on the movie last night. I got maybe 20 minutes into it before I started to see what was on tv on the scrolling bars under it. Just before I changed it they had Bale on their talking and he said that he saw no point in shooting the role when he would be doing it for just about a week. So they changed it and that is when they had Nolan come in and redo some of the script for him.

I think the resistance mess should have been in it still but not as much. I think it should have been at the middle of the movie Marcus meets up with the resistance and they save Kyle.

I think the BS in the sub all of it was not needed along with the list skynet has. In this story Kyle is not a resistance fighter yet and Skynet never knew who Johns father was. So why would he be on the list. Also John would have never told anyone other then maybe his wife who his father was. So Skynet never would have put Kyle on the list. So all that was pointless. Also what was pointless was the part about the hidden frequency that they can use to shut off the machines. I also think that some of the worse acting from Bale was the scene where he was in the sub and they told him about them being able to shut down the machines from that.

Also Nolan will not get credit for the script. He did not change 51% or more of it and to get credit for it from the WGA that is what he would have had to change.
 
So more like Marcus meets a branch of the resistance mid movie and takes it from there which would lead into Kyle joining.


Your spoiler about Skynet is by far the biggest plot hole in the entire movie,
none of it made any sense and the absolute worst of that is that a simple 3 line explanation could have cleaned it up. Something like one of the previous Terminators left a list or something in case they failed .
I agree about Bale's acting during that scene, it was really off and make no mistake I like Bale's acting in his other movies.
 
[quote name='coolsteel']( raised too many questions, supplies anyone?) [/QUOTE]

That was very distracting.

In T2, the Resistance is kicking around in beat up pickup trucks with machine guns bolted onto the back. Very believable given the situation they're in and something that you see today in places like Afghanistan and Somalia.

The amount of fuel and maintenance needed to run aircraft is staggering, there's no way a scattered resistance whose HQ is a constantly shifting submarine should be able to use Airmobility tactics and whip around in A-10s. Furthermore, Skynet's initial strike should have levelled every airbase in the world as opposed to apparently leaving behind dozens of intact aircraft for the humans to use against the machines.

Overall I enjoyed the movie for a summer popcorn flick but it certainly didn't blow my mind like the early movies did. All I really experienced was a desire to watch the first 2 Terminator movies again.
 
[quote name='coolsteel']So more like Marcus meets a branch of the resistance mid movie and takes it from there which would lead into Kyle joining.


Your spoiler about Skynet is by far the biggest plot hole in the entire movie,
none of it made any sense and the absolute worst of that is that a simple 3 line explanation could have cleaned it up. Something like one of the previous Terminators left a list or something in case they failed .
I agree about Bale's acting during that scene, it was really off and make no mistake I like Bale's acting in his other movies.[/QUOTE]

The thing is how would one of them leave a list when they didn't know who John's father was. Speaking of that it is funny how both the father of John Connor and the "Father" of Skynet come from the future. So in order for Skynet to be made the T-800 has to go back to kill Sarah and for John to be born it also has to go back and Kyle has to go back after it.

[quote name='Halo05']That was very distracting.

In T2, the Resistance is kicking around in beat up pickup trucks with machine guns bolted onto the back. Very believable given the situation they're in and something that you see today in places like Afghanistan and Somalia.

The amount of fuel and maintenance needed to run aircraft is staggering, there's no way a scattered resistance whose HQ is a constantly shifting submarine should be able to use Airmobility tactics and whip around in A-10s. Furthermore, Skynet's initial strike should have levelled every airbase in the world as opposed to apparently leaving behind dozens of intact aircraft for the humans to use against the machines.

Overall I enjoyed the movie for a summer popcorn flick but it certainly didn't blow my mind like the early movies did. All I really experienced was a desire to watch the first 2 Terminator movies again.[/QUOTE]

That is another thing that botherd me. I know they didn't want to take much from RotM but when you think about it Skynet would have taken controle of things like it did in RotM. I don't know much about them planes or flying at all but wouldn't you need some sort of guidence system to fly them? I would have thought Skynet would have shutdown every system it could have got into that they would have needed.
 
It isn't the fuel for me. Hell even in Terminator and T2 they had things that they drove in the future so they whould have had fule for it. What bothers me is Skynet shut down all that it could get into. So wouldn't what software on the plane that was needed for it to fly and act as a guidence system not work. Thats the part that bothers me about the planes.
 
[quote name='DaChicagoBear1']^ Talking about fuel in the movie is over thinking it... its just a movie and not real life :)[/QUOTE]

You can only say that so many times before it becomes an excuse for sloppy writing . In the same movie they showed people struggling to get fuel and refusing to give up enough to fill up one jeep.
 
I never did one of them online petitions but I am really thinking of doing one to no longer let Bale play John Connor, McG direct and the douchebags that wrote this crap to ever act, direct or write a Terminator movie again.
 
^ I blame it all on the writers and thats all the needs to be blamed on. McG wanted a FULL script rewrite but those ****** wouldnt allow and they are also the same writers who wrote Catwomen. Bale is the only John Connor there is (unless you loved Nick Stahl!!!) and no petition will stop from McG from making another movie, lets just hope he learns from his mistakes... either that or BRING BACK CAMERON!
 
For those confused on why Skynet did not kill Kyle Reese when he was captured read here:
Ok, I'm sick of everyone saying Kyle Reese being caught and put in prison, is a plothole, he should have been killed. In the history of Skynet they know John Connor is important, they know that Sarah Connor blew up Cyberdyne Labs in 1994, They know that they will send a Terminator back in time to kill Sarah Connor, Because there is a police report and an interrogation of Kyle Reese on record, Skynet know John Connor will eventually send Kyle Reese to protect Sarah. They put Kyle #1 on the kill list because they are hoping John will look for Kyle, what Skynet hopes, is that they get to him first, so they can make a Terminator in his image, thus tricking Connor, and killing him, and eventually winning the war. You ask, how do you know that's the plan? Well during the movie when the T-800 is revealed, Kyle Reese is grabbed by a T-600 and placed on a table of a machine that looks like an MRI machine. This machine is to copy the human's physical appearance so they can create a life-like T-800 of that person. So, Kyle is being held down on this machine, and then John saves him, and the T-800 kinda saves him also. Skynet actually has two plans, because they use Marcus Wright to get John to save Kyle, and then try and kill John while there. I hope I explained this clearly enough, and I really hope I changed at least one person's mind. I love Terminator, T2 is my favorite, and I have to say I just saw T4 for the second time now, and It's a really good movie, and it in NO way ruins anything about the Terminator Mythology.
 
Anyone have a theater with the "D-BOX" seats? My theater down the street installed them for Terminator, and I'm wondering if the extra cost is worth it.
 
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[quote name='DaChicagoBear1']For those confused on why Skynet did not kill Kyle Reese when he was captured read here:
Ok, I'm sick of everyone saying Kyle Reese being caught and put in prison, is a plothole, he should have been killed. In the history of Skynet they know John Connor is important, they know that Sarah Connor blew up Cyberdyne Labs in 1994, They know that they will send a Terminator back in time to kill Sarah Connor, Because there is a police report and an interrogation of Kyle Reese on record, Skynet know John Connor will eventually send Kyle Reese to protect Sarah. They put Kyle #1 on the kill list because they are hoping John will look for Kyle, what Skynet hopes, is that they get to him first, so they can make a Terminator in his image, thus tricking Connor, and killing him, and eventually winning the war. You ask, how do you know that's the plan? Well during the movie when the T-800 is revealed, Kyle Reese is grabbed by a T-600 and placed on a table of a machine that looks like an MRI machine. This machine is to copy the human's physical appearance so they can create a life-like T-800 of that person. So, Kyle is being held down on this machine, and then John saves him, and the T-800 kinda saves him also. Skynet actually has two plans, because they use Marcus Wright to get John to save Kyle, and then try and kill John while there. I hope I explained this clearly enough, and I really hope I changed at least one person's mind. I love Terminator, T2 is my favorite, and I have to say I just saw T4 for the second time now, and It's a really good movie, and it in NO way ruins anything about the Terminator Mythology.
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[quote name='DaChicagoBear1']^ I blame it all on the writers and thats all the needs to be blamed on. McG wanted a FULL script rewrite but those ****** wouldnt allow and they are also the same writers who wrote Catwomen. Bale is the only John Connor there is (unless you loved Nick Stahl!!!) and no petition will stop from McG from making another movie, lets just hope he learns from his mistakes... either that or BRING BACK CAMERON![/QUOTE]

I don't see Bale as John Connor. I just don't think he fits the role. Nick Stahl did an okay job but Edward Furlong has been the best. However he also played a younger John Connor so to play an older one I'm not sure. I blame WB and the writers the most and hope McG learns from his mistakes but I don't think he will.

[quote name='DaChicagoBear1']For those confused on why Skynet did not kill Kyle Reese when he was captured read here:
Ok, I'm sick of everyone saying Kyle Reese being caught and put in prison, is a plothole, he should have been killed. In the history of Skynet they know John Connor is important, they know that Sarah Connor blew up Cyberdyne Labs in 1994, They know that they will send a Terminator back in time to kill Sarah Connor, Because there is a police report and an interrogation of Kyle Reese on record, Skynet know John Connor will eventually send Kyle Reese to protect Sarah. They put Kyle #1 on the kill list because they are hoping John will look for Kyle, what Skynet hopes, is that they get to him first, so they can make a Terminator in his image, thus tricking Connor, and killing him, and eventually winning the war. You ask, how do you know that's the plan? Well during the movie when the T-800 is revealed, Kyle Reese is grabbed by a T-600 and placed on a table of a machine that looks like an MRI machine. This machine is to copy the human's physical appearance so they can create a life-like T-800 of that person. So, Kyle is being held down on this machine, and then John saves him, and the T-800 kinda saves him also. Skynet actually has two plans, because they use Marcus Wright to get John to save Kyle, and then try and kill John while there. I hope I explained this clearly enough, and I really hope I changed at least one person's mind. I love Terminator, T2 is my favorite, and I have to say I just saw T4 for the second time now, and It's a really good movie, and it in NO way ruins anything about the Terminator Mythology.
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I never looked at it like that. You have a really good point about all of that and I now see how he could have ended up on that. I still don't think they should have had it so that John talks so much about how Kyle is his father. Having him tell Marcus should have never been in the script. It will be interesting to see how they play out the time travle because if Skynet knew about the police report and Kyle going back in time then it will also know about everything else and that due to the 800 being sent to kill Sarah it was what caused Skynet to be made. I'm not interested to see how they play that out. I do want to see this movie again as odd as that sounds but I think I will hold off till it goes to the 5 bucks club.
 
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