Terminator Salvation: Blu-Ray/DVD Out NOW! Directors Cut

^ Not sure if they plan on sending Kyle back in time in 5 or 6 but from what I have always understood is that they send Kyle and a T-800 back at the same time to protect Sarah and John. So if they send Kyle back in time you will have Uncle Bob go back also so you would see that one helping. Also why would be need a terminator to help.
 
Is it really needed though? I'm wondering if cameron even had planed a good terminator in the thrid film for what ideas he had before going on to do titanic. I don't really know if a good one is even needed in the next movie.
 
^ They need to show Kyle going back (as well as Arnie) meanwhile connor fights the war. Id also like then to CGI the old Kyle Reese or get someone that looks like him rather than sending back a young version...
 
[quote name='sendme']^ Not sure if they plan on sending Kyle back in time in 5 or 6 but from what I have always understood is that they send Kyle and a T-800 back at the same time to protect Sarah and John. So if they send Kyle back in time you will have Uncle Bob go back also so you would see that one helping. Also why would be need a terminator to help.[/QUOTE]

Terminator Salvation is in 2018. Kyle Reese and all the Terminators weren't sent back until 2029, so the war was a lot more advanced. Skynet sent T-800 to prevent John Connor's conception by killing Sarah Connor, John Connor sent Kyle Reese to "protect" Sarah by banging her. Later that same year in 2029, (I'm assuming, because they wouldn't sent another Terminator back unless the other one failed) Skynet sends the prototype T-1000 and John Connor sends back a re-programmed T-800 to protect his younger self.

^ They need to show Kyle going back (as well as Arnie) meanwhile connor fights the war. Id also like then to CGI the old Kyle Reese or get someone that looks like him rather than sending back a young version...
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They don't send back a young version. The movie didn't follow the storyline in terms of Kyle Reese's age. Kyle should've been 10 in the movie. Regardless, he doesn't get sent back for another 11 years in the storyline.

Having him tell Marcus should have never been in the script.
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Having him tell Marcus SHOULD have been in the script. It helps Marcus understand the importance of Kyle and why he was an extreme priority!

I'm starting to think all of the hate for the movie is just from people that don't understand the storyline/timeline
 
I don't see why he would tell a machine that at the time he does not trust about his father. As for when they are sent back I know it was 2029 I have said this is 11 years before that. Only thing I was unsure about as for the time line was if all 4 were sent at the same time or all were just sent in 2029. Some of the time lines I have read have it as all were sent the at the same time and some have it as the same month or year.
 
I saw the movie last night and I really liked it. It kind of ran out of gas at the ending but overall it was good. I liked Marcus a lot. It would have been pimp if Bale did some sort of crazy rant like he did in real life.
 
Best two parts of the film. My girlfriend and I were laughing out so loud.

1.
John Connor is shooting the tentacle underwater terminators that are swimming at him. He runs out of ammo as one flies in the air towards him. Then out of nowhere, Connor's robot buddy leaps out of the air growling wildly and tackles the tentacle robot like a professional noodler.
2.
Arnold steps out to reveal his airbrushed photoshopped gubernatorial self. Thank god his skin gets burned off pretty quick.
 
Common is literally the worst actor of all time. "It's beautiful". Worst line in a movie ever.
 
I just saw this movie today, it was pretty good. Way better than Terminator: RotM. The only thing I didn't like was Common and that little kid. Hopefully the next movie will have a better storyline and character development.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']how in the hell is night at the museum making more money than this...

wtf[/QUOTE]

family movies > action movies .... its proven at the box office...
 
I thought the movie was great! Marcus was a great character and Sam Worthington is an excellent actor and totally overshadowed Bale's performance.
 
I could have SWORN that Marcus was one of the bodies when Connor and team found them in the beginning of the movie.

Doesn't JD start in 2004? Marcus' execution is a year before. Cyberdyne no longer exists but under CRS.

Radiation levels in LA should be still high after all those years.

Skynet should not have given Marcus a choice.

I still say the T-800 should NOT have been introduced until atleast the 3rd movie.

The T-800 HUD is all wrong.

Sarah Connor's tapes SURVIVED judgment day?!!?
 
Just saw Salvation and I really thought it blew. I can't agree with you guys on this one. It is definitely the most bland and forgettable entry in the series.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']I could have SWORN that Marcus was one of the bodies when Connor and team found them in the beginning of the movie.

Doesn't JD start in 2004? Marcus' execution is a year before. Cyberdyne no longer exists but under CRS.

Radiation levels in LA should be still high after all those years.

Skynet should not have given Marcus a choice.

I still say the T-800 should NOT have been introduced until atleast the 3rd movie.

The T-800 HUD is all wrong.

Sarah Connor's tapes SURVIVED judgment day?!!?[/QUOTE]

it was him, and then when the battle ends i guess he wakes up... and the T-800 had to be made b/c in 2029 they send them back (aka Arnold). Plus i dont think they showed the T-800's hud but as for Sarah Connor tapes IDK i guess he carried them around (and you have to forget t3 b/c McG didnt want to base TS of of it)
 
[quote name='guyver2077']how in the hell is night at the museum making more money than this...

wtf[/QUOTE]

People saw Rise of the Machines. Thats why Night at the Museum is making for money. But also it is what DaChicagoBear1 said.

[quote name='ITDEFX']I could have SWORN that Marcus was one of the bodies when Connor and team found them in the beginning of the movie.

Doesn't JD start in 2004? Marcus' execution is a year before. Cyberdyne no longer exists but under CRS.

Radiation levels in LA should be still high after all those years.

Skynet should not have given Marcus a choice.

I still say the T-800 should NOT have been introduced until atleast the 3rd movie.

The T-800 HUD is all wrong.

Sarah Connor's tapes SURVIVED judgment day?!!?[/QUOTE]

Marcus was one but I guess they didn't see hime moving his head around. That is how Marcus got the resistance fighter's coat. One thing I don't understand about that same scene is Connor said that all were dead but when he got out of the hole werent all of them alive?

Judgment Day was August 29, 1997 in T2, in RotM it was July 24, 2004 and in TSCC it was April 21, 2011. So for the movies it was July 24, 2004. As far as I know Cyberdyne has always been CRS. Also with Marcus I remember reading that he was a T-700 however didn't the 900s only have the hart and other organs? So was he a 700 or 900?

As for the radiation levels all I can say is it is a movie. I don't remember when Cameron said they came out of cover if he even did. So if he didn't it could have been 14 years after J-Day and you would still be saying something about the radiation. I just ignore that part seeing how it is a movie and that as far as I know has never really been talked about in the movies.

I don't think Skynet really gave him a choice. They just wired a chip into his brain so he was still human just with the metal endoskelleton. Or if I remember right and he is a 900 Ceramic and wouldn't that make it so the mine would have not went off?

I can see that they just skipped from the 600 to the 800 and never said what line Marcus was. However did Cameron ever have a line other then the 600, 800, and 1000? I think that they could have introduced the 800 till T5.

I noticed that about the HUD on the 800. I guess it could be due to it being an early modle and the HUD and software still in some sort of beta stage.

This is odd seeing how in RotM John didn't have them with him and in T2 it was a box full of them. I guess this is one more thing you can add to bad writing. Also the one that was of the recording Sarah did in the first movie had more dialog to it that was in the middle of what she was talking about. Well I'm about 90% sure on that last part.
 
[quote name='Rozz']Just saw Salvation and I really thought it blew. I can't agree with you guys on this one. It is definitely the most bland and forgettable entry in the series.[/QUOTE]

Could not agree with you more. I was bored for the first 3/4th's of the movie until the end. I thought Star Trek and Wolverine were much better and I hate Star Trek the series.
 
Thats what I was thinking about the T-800 but was not sure.

I think they should have the 850 kill JC or atleast JC needs to be killed near the end of the war or atleast after he sends Kyle back. I'm only saying this because I just read the Q&A of it from the link Scorch posted.

However I'm unsure how to read this

Q: When Marcus is inside Skynet and learning about how he was created, the visage of Dr. Serena Kogan mentions that he's managed to do something that none of the other Terminators have been able to. Is Skynet aware of the alternate futures and other events that have taken place? - Pierce Arner

McG: Skynet is aware of the alternate futures, and the way that we play it is in the spirit of parallel worlds, as theorized by Einstein. We try to pay attention to that approach to a fundamentally theoretical construct. So yes, they are aware of the other attempts on the life of John Connor, and they've always subscribed to a bigger-gun philosophy, from the T-800 to the T-1000 to the TX. Now they've decided to bring in a machine with enough humanity in it to properly infiltrate the Resistance and lure John Connor to their lair. That's why Serena speaks of thinking differently, thinking radically.
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Does he not plan on Kyle and a T-800 going back? For this all to start both have to go back. The T-800 is what started Skynet. That is shown in T2 with the chip and the arm.

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[quote name='Rozz']Just saw Salvation and I really thought it blew. I can't agree with you guys on this one. It is definitely the most bland and forgettable entry in the series.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Pck21']Could not agree with you more. I was bored for the first 3/4th's of the movie until the end. I thought Star Trek and Wolverine were much better and I hate Star Trek the series.[/QUOTE]

First part was really bad. I think it did get better but not by much. I think this is still some what better then RotM but not by much. I came really close more then a few times to asking the usher if the movie got better.
 
So what's the difference between the T-700 and T-800 series? I know the T-800 is an infiltrator model with living tissue but is that all?

Another part that was off about the movie is when Marcus and Blair made that campfire. Isn't that really dangerous to do during Judgment Day, wouldn't that made them an easy target for Skynet?
 
Not sure other then maybe the 800s are smaller than the 700s. However Marcus had organs also unlike the 800s. However I thought that only the 900s had that.

As for the campfire you could just think they got lucky, bad writing or that Skynet knew it was Marcus and wanted to keep him and her alive so he would take John to Skynet.
 
Well the first script was the better one if you take out the Project Angel suff.

http://chud.com/articles/articles/1...NT-WRONG-WITH-TERMINATOR-SALVATION/Page1.html

That does have spoilers in it but if you have not seen the movie yet you chances are are not going to. Also if you have yet to see it your not missing much.

From what I got out of reading that all that needed to be fixed was the last half of the movie. All that changing people into cyborgs because humans will go extinct in 200 years and the resort needed to go. Along with the part where Marcus sees Kyles brain removed and uploaded to the neural net database then goes back in time to save Kyle. Also from the start they had intended to kill John Connor. After reading what is in that link I think it might have worked if they did it right. However the way they were going to go with it later where Marcus with Johns face sits up and kills Johns wife, Kyle and others would have never worked.

So Bale and Nolan made what could have been a good movie into a bad one. Or atleast what could have been half good half bad in to a movie that had a lot of bad parts and a few good ones. Hell as much as I hate to say this but all the parts that the two idiots wrote that nolan didn't change were the better parts of the movie.

EDIT: Found that link posted on terminatorfiles.com
 
I don't know but after watching this movie a second time I didn't enjoyed as much as the first time.

This movie isn't up to par with Terminator, T2, or TSCC.
 
In Terminator 1 didn't Kyle Reese explain he worked in the robot camps until John Connor found him and taught him how to fight?
 
I don't know if he worked in the camps but now that you said that I do remember somthing being said about John teaching him how to fight. I also remember Kyle saying somthing about grays and that they worked for the machines but I could be just mixing that in from TSCC.
 
Hopefully going to see it this week, I don't have high hopes though.

The Terminator is basically three things:

James Cameron, Arnie, and the main theme, this film has none of those things.
 
[quote name='sendme']It has a CG Arnie but it does not look all that good and you can tell it is CG.[/QUOTE]

I thought it looked pretty good. It would have been cool as hell to have seen the entire bonding of flesh and metal before it stepped out.
 
The movie was average at best, IMO.

1. Christian Bale was half-assing his role. It looked like he never got into the John Connor persona. I never got the feeling that he was John Connor. It was more like a this-is-Christian-Bale-playing-John-Conner feeling, if that makes any sense. His dialogues and scenes were low points in the film for me.

2. Atmosphere sucks. I never got the sense that mankind was fighting a desperate struggle against machines. If anything, it felt more like a stalemate. Humans got this area, machines got that area and skirmishes happens in between. Basically, it didn't feel like the machines had taken over.

3. No focus. What's the main point of this film? At times, I thought this was going to be about John Connor or that it's going to be be about Marcus and Kyle Reese or that its going to be about rescuing Kyle Reese or maybe just about Marcus. A lot of story lines but no central story line. Or if there's a central story line, it must be very weak because I didn't get it.
 
Just saw the movie last night and man was I disappointed. I wasn't expecting much to begin with but I can't believe how much I just didn't care about this movie. All the actors they chose for the characters were terrible. I didn't give two shits about any of them. Especially John Connor, he was a selfish self-serving bastard and I would have liked to see him killed. At the end where without a second thought, he just takes Marcus's heart after Marcus just saved his ass really made me hate him.

The Arnie CG was terrible. It reminded me of the movie The Mummy Returns where the Rock transforms from just a guy into a CG scorpion creature that looks fake as hell. I also hated that all the Terminators were CG created. I think the original stop-motion shots of a real robot in Terminator 1 actually look better and are more scary.

I also agree with you guys in that there are plot holes and story inconsistencies galore. I watched all the Terminator movies this week getting psyched to watch this one and you really see the story problems after watching the other films.

I gotta say that T3 was better than this movie. At least T3 has Arnie and some humor and charm. Terminator Salvation was just depressing with no humor or charm and nothing really redeeming about the story. T3 also had somewhat likable characters in my opinion.

I also hated John Connors wife in this film. She was a shy wussy character who had no personality. The wife of John Connor should have been portrayed as a strong character who is charismatic and a fighter.

I was expecting to see a warzone like the beginning future scene of Terminator 2. What I got was a generic action flick that felt more like a bad Mad Max.

That's about it for this rant. My Terminator Blu ray collection will remain a trilogy.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']I thought it looked pretty good. It would have been cool as hell to have seen the entire bonding of flesh and metal before it stepped out.[/QUOTE]

That would have been nice but I don't think they would have been able to make it look good. As for the look of the CG Arnie it looked to clean. That was the biggest issue I had with it.

[quote name='winterice']The movie was average at best, IMO.

1. Christian Bale was half-assing his role. It looked like he never got into the John Connor persona. I never got the feeling that he was John Connor. It was more like a this-is-Christian-Bale-playing-John-Conner feeling, if that makes any sense. His dialogues and scenes were low points in the film for me.

2. Atmosphere sucks. I never got the sense that mankind was fighting a desperate struggle against machines. If anything, it felt more like a stalemate. Humans got this area, machines got that area and skirmishes happens in between. Basically, it didn't feel like the machines had taken over.

3. No focus. What's the main point of this film? At times, I thought this was going to be about John Connor or that it's going to be be about Marcus and Kyle Reese or that its going to be about rescuing Kyle Reese or maybe just about Marcus. A lot of story lines but no central story line. Or if there's a central story line, it must be very weak because I didn't get it.[/QUOTE]

1. Yeah and this was I think the worst acting he has done.

2. I hope the next one they make it more like the future that was in The Terminator and Terminator 2. We saw what 10 T-600s.

3. That is because Nolan added to the script just the parts with John Connor and some what changed the rest just to make it seem like them parts fit. This was to be about Marcus and Kyle and Marcus saving him. Everything with John Connor in it other then some at the end was never in it and he lived on the sub. You only heard John's voice till about the last 3 minutes of the movie. Their was a story in this but Nolan made another story for Bale to play the part of John Connor and just shoved both together to make one movie that you can't tell what is going on.

[quote name='Purkeynator']Just saw the movie last night and man was I disappointed. I wasn't expecting much to begin with but I can't believe how much I just didn't care about this movie. All the actors they chose for the characters were terrible. I didn't give two shits about any of them. Especially John Connor, he was a selfish self-serving bastard and I would have liked to see him killed. At the end where without a second thought, he just takes Marcus's heart after Marcus just saved his ass really made me hate him.

The Arnie CG was terrible. It reminded me of the movie The Mummy Returns where the Rock transforms from just a guy into a CG scorpion creature that looks fake as hell. I also hated that all the Terminators were CG created. I think the original stop-motion shots of a real robot in Terminator 1 actually look better and are more scary.

I also agree with you guys in that there are plot holes and story inconsistencies galore. I watched all the Terminator movies this week getting psyched to watch this one and you really see the story problems after watching the other films.

I gotta say that T3 was better than this movie. At least T3 has Arnie and some humor and charm. Terminator Salvation was just depressing with no humor or charm and nothing really redeeming about the story. T3 also had somewhat likable characters in my opinion.

I also hated John Connors wife in this film. She was a shy wussy character who had no personality. The wife of John Connor should have been portrayed as a strong character who is charismatic and a fighter.

I was expecting to see a warzone like the beginning future scene of Terminator 2. What I got was a generic action flick that felt more like a bad Mad Max.

That's about it for this rant. My Terminator Blu ray collection will remain a trilogy.[/QUOTE]

I thought Sam Worthington did a good job. Anton Yelchin did a good job but at times I think could have done better. They were I think the better actors in the movie. Bale could't act to save his ass in this movie. Moon Bloodgood wasn't in it long enough for me to tell how good she was doing. She didn't seem to be that bad but should have been in more then what she was. I hope they bring her back for the next one. As for that scene at the end I think they just rushed it due to how pissed people were about the leaked ending.

The CG Arnie I'm glad to read that someone else didn't like it and thought it looked really bad. This felt like maybe 3% of the budget went on it. Also the costumes of the 600s looked like shit and could have been better done. Hell use a puppet/animatronic like they have in the past movies or like they did with the one from the water that was on the table.

At first I didn't think Rise of the Machines was better but now I think it was. I wanted Salvation to be better because I wanted to see the future war but it was not the future that we saw in the first 2 movies and not the one I wanted. I hope it is in the next one.

It felt like to me that John's wife was just put to the side and only in there because she was in the last film. As for her being a fighter I don't see her doing much fighting when she is with child and as far a long as she is. Maybe in the next movie. I did think they wrote the part of her better in RotM and Claire Danes played the part better than Bryce Dallas Howard. However I do have to give Bryce Dallas Howard some credit that they didn't use her much for being his wife.

Saying it is like a bad Mad Max is giving it more credit then it should get.

I will get this on BD but only for the extras and will only get it with rewardzone points from BB or if I can get it really cheap. So chances are I will not get this on day one.
 
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[quote name='sendme']I never did one of them online petitions but I am really thinking of doing one to no longer let Bale play John Connor, McG direct and the douchebags that wrote this crap to ever act, direct or write a Terminator movie again.[/QUOTE]

ITA, i don't want McG involved in the upcoming Terminator movies.

if there is a petition such as this to stop any future Terminator movies being made by McG or anyone other than James Cameron please point me to it as i will sign it without hesitation. i'd rather have no more Terminator movies, than have them be butchered.

[quote name='DaChicagoBear1']^ I blame it all on the writers and thats all the needs to be blamed on. McG wanted a FULL script rewrite but those ****** wouldnt allow and they are also the same writers who wrote Catwomen. Bale is the only John Connor there is (unless you loved Nick Stahl!!!) and no petition will stop from McG from making another movie, lets just hope he learns from his mistakes... either that or BRING BACK CAMERON![/QUOTE]

agreed on that, its his creation, why didn't he do this movie?!?!?
 
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I don't think their is a petition to stop McG from directing another one or the wack jobs that wrote this one to ever do another one. I thought about it but changed my mind. If anyone was to make one I would sign it.

As for Cameron writing and directing another one. He doesn't want to do it. I have read different things as to why he wont. That latest one is that he was working on the thrid movie then was able to work on Titanic and feals like he has moved on from the Terminator movies.
 
You know watching the main title sequence would have been more interesting if they showed a series of stills depicting the rise of the resistance, starting with Connor and Brewster digging themselves out of that crystal peak hole.
 
I wonder how long the were at crystal peak before they came out. I think it would have been nice to see all that. I did like how they made all the names in some form of code.
 
With all the hype McG tried getting with this movie (which always begins with him talking about people's response to his name) and then saying he got Cameron's approval (in which he didn't)...I Want him to stay the hell away from the Terminator franchise in general. This movie I almost feel like it was on par with AVP in disappointment because on paper I thought "how can they mess this up?" Since it was something I've wanted and has been teased in, in movies and comics for over a decade and simply put it should be full on human and robot action. Instead we get about 15 or so Terminator's in this "war."

Instead the movie didn't even live up to half of the two minute or so worth of scenes in the future in Terminator 2.
 
One man's opinion: Please don't read if you for whatever liked the movie and are going to get butthurt about my opinion simply because you disagree with my rather strong opinion of the movie. You can disagree, but don't make personal attacks.

Within the first ten minutes of the film, I knew it was going to be terrible. The exchange between John Connor and his commander over the walkie talkie had me rolling. That scene pretty much set the tone for how the acting was going to play out in the film: terribly.

I gave McG a chance with this movie. I thought to myself, forget the Charlie's Angels moves for a second, We Are Marshall was a decent, maybe shallow, but decent movie, maybe he can do something to the Terminator franchise, I was wrong. The guy doesn't know how to direct actors. There were several scenes in the movie where I thought to myself: Are you serious? THAT was the take you chose to use in the final cut of the film? You couldn't have redone those lines a few more times?

Besides the god awful acting (how did Moon Bloodgood become an actress by the way?) the movie does nothing to propel the story besides what people already know from the trailers/commercials (Skynet somehow made a Infiltrator model) In all the Terminators prior, the machines were something you feared. Yet in this, John Connor is willing to stand toe to toe with a T-800 model, and even
fucking blocks the punch of the T-800...WTF?!

Besides that
I couldn't believe how very little terminating there was for a movie filled with...TERMINATORS. I also couldn't believe how inherently bad at Terminating the terminators were. That T-600 (I think) model just walks right by John Connor...who is just hiding behind a fucking wall after he hacks the door open...REALLY? And if Skynet was SO set on preventing the humans from winning the war, all they had to do was kill either Kyle Reese or John Connor right? There are three separate points in the film where they could've easily killed Kyle Reese and when they don't...I really just don't understand why. First chance - Hey Skynet, when you FINALLY get Reese in that cage with all the other humans...fuckING KILL HIM. Or how about when you take him to the camp and IDENTIFY HIM as Kyle Reese...fuckING KILL HIM. After that robot identifies Kyle Reese, they stick him in a cage...fuckING KILL HIM AND DON'T PUT HIM IN A CAGE. You might say, but they wanted to kill both John Connor and Kyle Reese...that's fine. fucking kill Kyle Reese first, because he obviously plays a huge role in protecting Sarah Connor in T1, who probably would not have been able to survive without his help, and thus would've prevent John Connor from being born. And finally, if they wanted to kill John Connor...don't send a bad looking CG young Arnie to THROW HIM AROUND. All the other Terminators in the past films who have had the directive to kill John/Sarah Connor did their fucking damndest to do so. This new T-800? Nope. He just throws John Connor around, wasting away the several chances it had to finish off John. And even besides that, why the fuck does Skynet send the ONE T-800? Ugh.

I'm tired of bitching about this film.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']One man's opinion: Please don't read if you for whatever liked the movie and are going to get butthurt about my opinion simply because you disagree with my rather strong opinion of the movie. You can disagree, but don't make personal attacks.

Within the first ten minutes of the film, I knew it was going to be terrible. The exchange between John Connor and his commander over the walkie talkie had me rolling. That scene pretty much set the tone for how the acting was going to play out in the film: terribly.

I gave McG a chance with this movie. I thought to myself, forget the Charlie's Angels moves for a second, We Are Marshall was a decent, maybe shallow, but decent movie, maybe he can do something to the Terminator franchise, I was wrong. The guy doesn't know how to direct actors. There were several scenes in the movie where I thought to myself: Are you serious? THAT was the take you chose to use in the final cut of the film? You couldn't have redone those lines a few more times?

Besides the god awful acting (how did Moon Bloodgood become an actress by the way?) the movie does nothing to propel the story besides what people already know from the trailers/commercials (Skynet somehow made a Infiltrator model) In all the Terminators prior, the machines were something you feared. Yet in this, John Connor is willing to stand toe to toe with a T-800 model, and even
fucking blocks the punch of the T-800...WTF?!

Besides that
I couldn't believe how very little terminating there was for a movie filled with...TERMINATORS. I also couldn't believe how inherently bad at Terminating the terminators were. That T-600 (I think) model just walks right by John Connor...who is just hiding behind a fucking wall after he hacks the door open...REALLY? And if Skynet was SO set on preventing the humans from winning the war, all they had to do was kill either Kyle Reese or John Connor right? There are three separate points in the film where they could've easily killed Kyle Reese and when they don't...I really just don't understand why. First chance - Hey Skynet, when you FINALLY get Reese in that cage with all the other humans...fuckING KILL HIM. Or how about when you take him to the camp and IDENTIFY HIM as Kyle Reese...fuckING KILL HIM. After that robot identifies Kyle Reese, they stick him in a cage...fuckING KILL HIM AND DON'T PUT HIM IN A CAGE. You might say, but they wanted to kill both John Connor and Kyle Reese...that's fine. fucking kill Kyle Reese first, because he obviously plays a huge role in protecting Sarah Connor in T1, who probably would not have been able to survive without his help, and thus would've prevent John Connor from being born. And finally, if they wanted to kill John Connor...don't send a bad looking CG young Arnie to THROW HIM AROUND. All the other Terminators in the past films who have had the directive to kill John/Sarah Connor did their fucking damndest to do so. This new T-800? Nope. He just throws John Connor around, wasting away the several chances it had to finish off John. And even besides that, why the fuck does Skynet send the ONE T-800? Ugh.

I'm tired of bitching about this film.[/QUOTE]
I Think it more went downhill after
"Wow. So that's what death tastes like."
Man, so cornily terrible.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']One man's opinion: Please don't read if you for whatever liked the movie and are going to get butthurt about my opinion simply because you disagree with my rather strong opinion of the movie. You can disagree, but don't make personal attacks.

Within the first ten minutes of the film, I knew it was going to be terrible. The exchange between John Connor and his commander over the walkie talkie had me rolling. That scene pretty much set the tone for how the acting was going to play out in the film: terribly.

I gave McG a chance with this movie. I thought to myself, forget the Charlie's Angels moves for a second, We Are Marshall was a decent, maybe shallow, but decent movie, maybe he can do something to the Terminator franchise, I was wrong. The guy doesn't know how to direct actors. There were several scenes in the movie where I thought to myself: Are you serious? THAT was the take you chose to use in the final cut of the film? You couldn't have redone those lines a few more times?

Besides the god awful acting (how did Moon Bloodgood become an actress by the way?) the movie does nothing to propel the story besides what people already know from the trailers/commercials (Skynet somehow made a Infiltrator model) In all the Terminators prior, the machines were something you feared. Yet in this, John Connor is willing to stand toe to toe with a T-800 model, and even
fucking blocks the punch of the T-800...WTF?!

Besides that
I couldn't believe how very little terminating there was for a movie filled with...TERMINATORS. I also couldn't believe how inherently bad at Terminating the terminators were. That T-600 (I think) model just walks right by John Connor...who is just hiding behind a fucking wall after he hacks the door open...REALLY? And if Skynet was SO set on preventing the humans from winning the war, all they had to do was kill either Kyle Reese or John Connor right? There are three separate points in the film where they could've easily killed Kyle Reese and when they don't...I really just don't understand why. First chance - Hey Skynet, when you FINALLY get Reese in that cage with all the other humans...fuckING KILL HIM. Or how about when you take him to the camp and IDENTIFY HIM as Kyle Reese...fuckING KILL HIM. After that robot identifies Kyle Reese, they stick him in a cage...fuckING KILL HIM AND DON'T PUT HIM IN A CAGE. You might say, but they wanted to kill both John Connor and Kyle Reese...that's fine. fucking kill Kyle Reese first, because he obviously plays a huge role in protecting Sarah Connor in T1, who probably would not have been able to survive without his help, and thus would've prevent John Connor from being born. And finally, if they wanted to kill John Connor...don't send a bad looking CG young Arnie to THROW HIM AROUND. All the other Terminators in the past films who have had the directive to kill John/Sarah Connor did their fucking damndest to do so. This new T-800? Nope. He just throws John Connor around, wasting away the several chances it had to finish off John. And even besides that, why the fuck does Skynet send the ONE T-800? Ugh.

I'm tired of bitching about this film.[/QUOTE]

Like I said I didn't think Bloodgood did a bad job. I think she could have done better but. The one that I expected the best acting out of was Bale and he gave the worst.

As for what you said in the spoilers (I'm not puting spoiler tags the movie has been out long enough) the 600s may just not have that great of an AI. We don't know much about the 600s other then their skin and that they were large and you could spot them. I'm sure they could kill verry well but may not be as good an 800. However the 600s were still really bad at killing people. Hell did they even kill anyone in the movie unless it was a large group of people.

As for Skynet trying to kill Kyle in the first script Skynet didn't know about Kyle. That was somthing Nolan added. So chances are thats why Skynet never tried to kill him. When Skynet had Kyle that was the first script. I could see Skynet knowing about Kyle because of what happend in the first movie. However it may not know what Kyle looks like. So it being able to spot Kyle just doesn't work well for me. If it knows who Kyle is and what he does and knows what he looks like, it should kill on sight. However maybe Skynet had some other plan for him and that is why it did not kill him. Thats all I can come up with.

As for the one 800 I think it was the only one that Skynet had at the time. Now you maybe saying to yourself "No, they had more and were making more in the factory" them were 700's from what the diorama says that sideshow has. I would like to think that they don't have that wrong and that them were 700s. However I think John Connor says that the fule cells were for the 800s. So I'm not sure and it could be that at one time they were 700s but changed to 800s only not everything was changed and parts of the script and the places makeing the merch for this movie did get the memo in time. However the 800 still lacked the killing power of the 800s in the first movies. Hell in the first one the arm of the 800 goes through a guy. I'm sure they will try to play this off as it was just a prototype.

After typing all that I'm wondering why I'm trying to stick up for this movie. I think it might be because I want to like it still but I can't. I think I'm forcing myself to like this movie and find a way for all the flaws in it (other then the bad acting by Bale) to be worked out. However i can't.
 
[quote name='sendme']Like I said I didn't think Bloodgood did a bad job. I think she could have done better but. The one that I expected the best acting out of was Bale and he gave the worst.

As for what you said in the spoilers (I'm not puting spoiler tags the movie has been out long enough) the 600s may just not have that great of an AI. We don't know much about the 600s other then their skin and that they were large and you could spot them. I'm sure they could kill verry well but may not be as good an 800. However the 600s were still really bad at killing people. Hell did they even kill anyone in the movie unless it was a large group of people.

As for Skynet trying to kill Kyle in the first script Skynet didn't know about Kyle. That was somthing Nolan added. So chances are thats why Skynet never tried to kill him. When Skynet had Kyle that was the first script. I could see Skynet knowing about Kyle because of what happend in the first movie. However it may not know what Kyle looks like. So it being able to spot Kyle just doesn't work well for me. If it knows who Kyle is and what he does and knows what he looks like, it should kill on sight. However maybe Skynet had some other plan for him and that is why it did not kill him. Thats all I can come up with.

As for the one 800 I think it was the only one that Skynet had at the time. Now you maybe saying to yourself "No, they had more and were making more in the factory" them were 700's from what the diorama says that sideshow has. I would like to think that they don't have that wrong and that them were 700s. However I think John Connor says that the fule cells were for the 800s. So I'm not sure and it could be that at one time they were 700s but changed to 800s only not everything was changed and parts of the script and the places makeing the merch for this movie did get the memo in time. However the 800 still lacked the killing power of the 800s in the first movies. Hell in the first one the arm of the 800 goes through a guy. I'm sure they will try to play this off as it was just a prototype.

After typing all that I'm wondering why I'm trying to stick up for this movie. I think it might be because I want to like it still but I can't. I think I'm forcing myself to like this movie and find a way for all the flaws in it (other then the bad acting by Bale) to be worked out. However i can't.[/QUOTE]

So the people on McG's team were so incompetent, that they failed to mention that this supposed first script didn't make any sense at all when put together with the rewrite from Nolan? In the film, Skynet CORRECTLY identifies Kyle Reese in the camp which is why they yank them. The screen, from the POV of the Terminator who IDs Kyle Reese, has KYLE REESE written on it. I understand that originally, Skynet wanted to use Kyle Reese as bait to get John Connor to come to Skynet, which works I suppose but Skynet somehow is the shittiest AI ever, fails to kill either one when it has several chances to do so. But the fact that its in the movie that Skynet knows who Kyle Reese is and IDs him, the argument that Skynet may not have known doesn't work.

Also, it's not even that it was just one 800 model that was trying to kill John. It was that, after all that fucking effort Skynet put into getting John into Skynet, how the fuck do you fail at the part where you kill him? They made this super elaborate plan to sneak an Infiltrator model into the resistance, have Marcus find and help Kyle Reese fall into the hands of Skynet, then have Marcus convince John to let him go and convince John that he (Marcus) is capable of allowing John access into Skynet to rescue Kyle Reese. They come up with ALL of that...yet its on 800 model. One. Skynet could've stacked 4 or 5 600's behind that door and had them unload into John, but no, they opt for the one shitty T-800, who again, gets its hands on John several times, but fails to kill him in any sort of efficient way. Instead, the 800 just tries throwing John around over and over. WTF?

PS - Worst acting award goes to Moon Bloodgood and Common if you ask me. Bale may have been bad and simply yelled/screamed his way through the movie, but Bale at his worst is still better than those 2 at their best. The line where Common goes "For my brother..." I was rolling.
 
Well when Nolan made the new script they didn't check to make sure it all fit correctly. It almost seems like Nolan didn't even read the script other then to put more John Connor in it for Bale. They should have just rewrote the first the movie but instead they tried to make this other fit. I posted a link to what is different in the two scripts.

I guess Common's acting was so bad I forgot he was even in the movie. Hell the kid that played the usless side kick of Kyle was a better actor then Common.
 
Just curious, what scene was the Bale freakout?

May not be the most memorable Terminator, but I didn't cringe during it... I'll probably be renting the videogame adaption.
 
Well I've picked up the Target exclusive 2-disc director's cut but only watched the bonus features (all of which in total don't even add up to an hour, more like a little over half an hour). I haven't seen the director's cut yet so I can't comment on that but I saw the theatrical version and really enjoyed it and found it to be a lot better than Terminator 3. This is coming from a fan who grew up watching the first two Terminator films, both of which in my opinion were superior to this latest installment (which I loved BTW).
 
Ohhhhh well its useless now isn't it? You're a nice guy, but that don't fucking cut it when you're bullshitting and fucking around like this.
 
I got the BD for 15.xx from amazon and watched it all the other day. I don't see why they didn't go with the R rating or why it was even R to begin with. The R rated one was a little bit better and I'm not saying that just because you see Moon Bloodgood topless. I got it for the extras and like Andrew said they are lacking. I'm expecting in a year or so an unrated version to come out. I watched that one movie mode and I don't see why they didn't show the end where Kyle is burying Marcus. The only thing that they should have found a way to cut with that is him finding the picture of Sarah. It is to early in it to give him the picture I think and that really isnt John giving it to him. It is him finding it. As for the ending that everyone thought was going to come out where everyone dies. They had the story boards for it and showed them but I am wondering if they didn't film it or not. Still don't like the movie all that much, R rated was better, Salvation is better then Rise of the Machines.
 
[quote name='Shrapnellistic']Just curious, what scene was the Bale freakout?
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It was supposed to be him grieving over someone who was dead/dying. Then some retard thought it would be a good idea to walk between Bale and the camera during the scene.
 
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