The 2008-2009 NBA Season Thread

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[quote name='Soodmeg']I fully disagree. Barring some type of miracle (which I fully admit could happen) this guy will always be just a bum. He has no defense awareness at all. The only person to ever foul out of a summer league game!?!? You get like 8 fouls in the summer league how is it even possible?

What he really needs is a top quality veteran big man teaching him how to play. Oden is often completely out of position causing him to just lunge at the ball instead of actually playing defense. His offensive skills are extremely limited to basically just tip dunks and oops. He simply lacks to much for NBA teams to truly invest in. Plus this mofo hasnt played a full season since high school.

He is a classic case of someone who should have stayed in college to improve his skill (although I would never blame anyone for leaving college and getting paid) it will take him far to long to develop and the blazers will have to come to a decision whether to abandon this long term project or invest in him.

I picture him floating around the league from team to team getting limited minutes.[/quote]

I think you hit on a good point. Who does he have mentoring him at the position? Dwight Howard has Ewing, Andrew Bynum has made great strides with Kareem helping, why not bring in someone in a similar capacity for Oden? He needs work, you're absolutely right. But to say he lacks too much for anyone to invest in is a bit hasty. He has the physical tools (if he can stay healthy, I know) to be a good player. Any team should be willing to spend a little time and money to try and get the most out of their #1 pick. If you don't see improvement after a year or two, then you cut your losses. To call it a waste without making an effort to support the guy is a bit much.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']I think you hit on a good point. Who does he have mentoring him at the position? Dwight Howard has Ewing, Andrew Bynum has made great strides with Kareem helping, why not bring in someone in a similar capacity for Oden? He needs work, you're absolutely right. But to say he lacks too much for anyone to invest in is a bit hasty. He has the physical tools (if he can stay healthy, I know) to be a good player. Any team should be willing to spend a little time and money to try and get the most out of their #1 pick. If you don't see improvement after a year or two, then you cut your losses. To call it a waste without making an effort to support the guy is a bit much.[/quote]

I see what you are saying but, Darko, Yi Jiligan (sp) Sheldan Williams, Adam Morrison, etc etc, think other wise. Just a few guys who were abandoned early.

The top 5 picks in the draft are not for investing time and developing people. They are for NBA ready prospects that can come in and have a impact from the get go.

He is a waste beacuse you used the number 1 pick to select a role player who like most role players only serve to fit a niche on your team. (this is going by the Starter-->6th Man-->Role player in order of importance)

I am not saying the guy cant get better and become a good player. But you drafted a injury prone "work in progress" when you could have had Kevin Durant (this was before we decided he was a SF and not a PF) or Al Harford. Or even traded down and picked up some solided role players that way.

Again I am not saying the guy cant improve and I am not even saying they could have known before hand. I am just saying as of now he was a complete waste.
 
I haven't gotten to post due to being busy, but these playoffs have been enjoyable. I have only watched my teams and a little bit fo SA/Dallas game 1, but still... The Lakers are 2-0, and more importantly, the Bulls have had 2 great games with Boston, one of which they won. I miss seeing KG since I've always liked him, but I don't mind him missing this series.
 
I loved the way Wade killed it at the end of the first half yesterday. I missed the rest of the game, but at least I got to witness that; plus I had no doubt that the Heat were gonna take that game after all that.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I see what you are saying but, Darko, Yi Jiligan (sp) Sheldan Williams, Adam Morrison, etc etc, think other wise. Just a few guys who were abandoned early.

The top 5 picks in the draft are not for investing time and developing people. They are for NBA ready prospects that can come in and have a impact from the get go.

He is a waste beacuse you used the number 1 pick to select a role player who like most role players only serve to fit a niche on your team. (this is going by the Starter-->6th Man-->Role player in order of importance)

I am not saying the guy cant get better and become a good player. But you drafted a injury prone "work in progress" when you could have had Kevin Durant (this was before we decided he was a SF and not a PF) or Al Harford. Or even traded down and picked up some solided role players that way.

Again I am not saying the guy cant improve and I am not even saying they could have known before hand. I am just saying as of now he was a complete waste.[/quote]

It used to be top five picks were proven commodities from college. Unfortunately, with the rise of prep-to-pro players and now the one year collegian, it's very difficult to find those proven commodities because there aren't many. The players who stay four years in college aren't the superstars. Everyone is drafting on potential now. Teams are forced to draft young kids if they want to get anyone with talent. If you're drafting a guy #1, it's most likely he is 19 or 20 at the max. How can you not look at that as in investment that you need to take care of? These kids are not polished. We're long past the days of Patrick Ewing and David Robinson being taken #1, or even Tim Duncan.

Again, I'm not saying Oden won't go down as a bust; I just think it wouldn't kill us to give him another year to see how he develops. And if Portland was really smart, they'd get him a real mentor.
 
I will tell you this...these games are on to fucking late. Some of us have jobs and shit to do during the day.

I will catch the highlights of the rest of the Boston game and Lakers/Jazz.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I will tell you this...these games are on to fucking late. Some of us have jobs and shit to do during the day.

I will catch the highlights of the rest of the Boston game and Lakers/Jazz.[/quote]

Amen to that. I shouldn't have to stay up until 1am to watch western conference games.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I will tell you this...these games are on to fucking late. Some of us have jobs and shit to do during the day.

I will catch the highlights of the rest of the Boston game and Lakers/Jazz.[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute...you live on the East Coast and you raggin' on GO like he owes you something?

...

Here i was thinking you were an actual Blazer fan on the West Coast.
 
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[quote name='Demolition Man']Quick someone call in Michael Jordan to save the Bulls. :rofl:[/quote]
My bro actually kept asking me "Where's Michael Jordan?"
I couldn't tell whether he was sarcastic or not :/
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard'] I shouldn't have to stay up until 1am to watch western conference games.[/QUOTE]
Seconded.

Mavs just finished walking on the Spurs. Pop sat his starters halfway thru the 3rd.
Spurs are a vet squad but they haven't gotten torched like this in the playoffs in recent memory. If the Mavs do this (demoralize the Spurs) again on Saturday I wouldn't be surprised to see this series done in 5.
 
[quote name='bigtymer']Seconded.

Mavs just finished walking on the Spurs. Pop sat his starters halfway thru the 3rd.
Spurs are a vet squad but they haven't gotten torched like this in the playoffs in recent memory. If the Mavs do this (demoralize the Spurs) again on Saturday I wouldn't be surprised to see this series done in 5.[/quote]

Pop was pretty funny about it post-game.

Lakers played an absolutely terrible game all around. When you let a player get 11 boards in the 1st quarter, you aren't trying hard enough. And would Pau Gasol please grow some man-parts? Anyone that big who gets pushed around that much needs a psychologist, not an All-Star selection.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Don't let Kobe shoot the 3 at the end when he's gone 5-24 >.>[/QUOTE]
I think it mattered more that he was so far back.
 
[quote name='rickonker']I think it mattered more that he was so far back.[/quote]
That too, but he was pretty much throwin' up bricks the whole night, so his chances of knocking that shot down was pretty low anyways.

I'd rather have it dished to fish and him shoot the tre' from the top of the key if they were gonna go for the win.

What I would have preferred though is inbound it to Gasol and have him go over Boozer, since they were 1 on 1 anyways. I was amazed at how open the paint was and Gasol would've just had to spin to get his shot off.

I think more importantly, Bynum was basically a no show. Only 7 minutes and you manage to foul out?!?
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']That too, but he was pretty much throwin' up bricks the whole night, so his chances of knocking that shot down was pretty low anyways.

I'd rather have it dished to fish and him shoot the tre' from the top of the key if they were gonna go for the win.

What I would have preferred though is inbound it to Gasol and have him go over Boozer, since they were 1 on 1 anyways. I was amazed at how open the paint was and Gasol would've just had to spin to get his shot off.

I think more importantly, Bynum was basically a no show. Only 7 minutes and you manage to foul out?!?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I would've been OK with a two or a three as long as it was closer than that shot. Did Bynum actually foul out though? I think that might have been a mistake on the TV graphics and he actually finished with 5 fouls.
 
[quote name='rickonker']Yeah, I would've been OK with a two or a three as long as it was closer than that shot. Did Bynum actually foul out though? I think that might have been a mistake on the TV graphics and he actually finished with 5 fouls.[/quote]
Oh yea, Bynum fouled out I believe late in the third or beginning of fourth. Everytime he was in he managed to pick up fouls quickly, so when he went back out he only had 2 to give and picked them up within a minute or so.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Oh yea, Bynum fouled out I believe late in the third or beginning of fourth. Everytime he was in he managed to pick up fouls quickly, so when he went back out he only had 2 to give and picked them up within a minute or so.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I saw him go out, but the commentator said one less foul earlier. Also the boxscore says 5 fouls. I think the graphics were just screwed up, and Bynum was taken out for being in foul trouble.
 
That's odd. The thing was that he also never went back in after that if that's true, plus he was only in for 7 minutes, not enough to really make you presence felt. I still believe he fouled out because I remember when he got his 5th the commentator even said Phil Jackson was gambling but also added he still had Odom to fall back on.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']That's odd. The thing was that he also never went back in after that if that's true, plus he was only in for 7 minutes, not enough to really make you presence felt. I still believe he fouled out because I remember when he got his 5th the commentator even said Phil Jackson was gambling but also added he still had Odom to fall back on.[/QUOTE]
I think he could've been put back in, but wasn't because he wasn't playing well.
 
I was watching the rockets vs blazers game 3 on espn and they interrupted it to show the last minute of the magic vs 76ers game. WTF? The magic game is on espn 2. If I wanted to watch the magic game I would have changed the channel to espn 2.
 
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has anybody watched Game 3 of Lakers vs Jazz in Utah. Black Mamba Kobe scoring 38 points, was going off on the Jazz. Almost never missed a field goal!

Good Job Lakers!! :applause: I cant wait until the Lakers close out the Utah Jazz on Monday in LA :applause:
 
Kobe was fken sick knocking down all those shots, but they still kept giving up easy points with poor play/decisions; That last timeout Jackson called pretty much said it all.
I also got mad when they gave up the 3 point play near halftime, that was like "WTF is this shyt?!?"

Still, I'm glad they showed up like they did!

All the star players today played like STARS. I was lovin' that Denver/Hornets game, so many flagrants, technicals; just a lot of physical, street ball and rough housing. That game got crazy competitive!
 
I was really disappointed in the way the Lakers played the first half yesterday, though. If not for Kobe going off and a couple late threes that finally went in from guys who have been missing, Utah could have been up big. Their defense was terrible, the offense stagnant, and Gasol keeps getting manhandled by guys several inches shorter. They play a half like that in the finals against a team like Cleveland and they will lose.
 
This $$$$a Brian Scalibrini (sp whatever) needs to cut it out with the head band. Looks like uncle buck, fat, slow and horrid coordination.


Watching him play makes me sad that I am not like 6 10....that seemingly is all it takes to at least ride the pine in the NBA.
 
Scal can play, they really missed him when he was out with the concussion. Thats just how big white dudes look on a basketball court.
 
You know things are going Chicago's way when they won't even call a kicked ball on them.

That was a 100% clean steal by Pierce on the inbounds. Of course, they call the foul on Pierce.
 
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If Paul Pierce's name is Kobe, LeBron, or Wade he'd have been shooting free throws non stop in that OT.

They lost because Big Baby Davis is out there missing layups with KG and Powe hurt, and with Scal fouled out. They lost because Rondo made some dumbass plays, holding the ball for so long on the final possession, taking the jumper at the end of the 1st OT. And they lost because Pierce has nothing left after carrying this team since KG got hurt. But those calls were still bullshit and I would challenge anyone to justify how that went down.
 
A Boston fan crying about the officiating is fucking hilarious.

Like the Celtics never have any bullshit calls go their way.

NBA officiating is just atrocious in general.
 
[quote name='buttasuperb']A Boston fan crying about the officiating is fucking hilarious.

Like the Celtics never have any bullshit calls go their way.

NBA officiating is just atrocious in general.[/QUOTE]
Your brilliant analysis of the game has contributed a tremendously to the discussion.
 
Paul and Perk especially had some completely BS calls go against them, but if the Celtics were able to run any kind of consistent offense this game wouldn't have been so close. Both teams earned the right to lose, with Ray, Rondo, Rose, and Gordon bailing them out.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']If Paul Pierce's name is Kobe, LeBron, or Wade he'd have been shooting free throws non stop in that OT.

They lost because Big Baby Davis is out there missing layups with KG and Powe hurt, and with Scal fouled out. They lost because Rondo made some dumbass plays, holding the ball for so long on the final possession, taking the jumper at the end of the 1st OT. And they lost because Pierce has nothing left after carrying this team since KG got hurt. But those calls were still bullshit and I would challenge anyone to justify how that went down.[/QUOTE]

Dude, I was at the game, the Celtics were hacking the shit out the Bulls and getting no calls for it, so I don't want to hear the bitching. Seriously, Scal is a good player? That dude sucks man, all he does is foul people. I've also figured out how Ray Allen gets open all the time, they just run a bunch of moving screens.
 
Dude, us Pistons fans are still pretty damn happy.

The trade wasnt about winning this season it was to set us up to be in position to go after the high market players this off season. There are several high value guys who are going to be Free Agents this summer and letting go of Billups contract for AI's 1 year 20 million was the best way to do it.

The plan that was laid out called for us to not resign AI thus freeing up enough money to land a Chris Bosh type player who wants to come to a team that actually wins. Yeah I know we are not looking good now but we have been to 6 straight conference finals which is far better than the "Raptors" of the NBA.

Its called foresight, with the economy the way it is there we be many FA looking for big deals that teams simply wont have the the money to give them. Detroit is on a small list of teams that can actually pay people next season.

It was by far one of the smartest moves we have made in a long time. Gutsy moves like this is the reason why the Pistons are considered an actually team and the Lions are just a joke. The Lions lack any foresight.


Thats not to say I wish they would have done things slightly differently but they are moving in the right direction non the less. The core players just couldnt get it done anymore so breaking them up was a guarantee....Denver needed a true point we needed to get a guy we can let go quickly.

The Billups trade was the best deal all season. Should have thrown in Tayshaun Prince weak ass while his stock was still up and got J.R. Smith with it.

EDIT: This is a SMALL list of people who will become FA in the next 2 years. Like I said, Detroit is on a list of about 5 teams that can even make a attempt cap wise to go after any of them.

2009:
Kobe Bryant, Carlos Boozer, Allen Iverson, Ron Artest, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Andre Miller, Lamar Odom and Rasheed Wallace

2010:
Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Tyson Chandler, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki and Michael Redd


Other than the fact that you will get a fat pay check coming to the Pistons you will also be in a easy conference thus doubling your chances of getting to a final with a team that is always in the post season.
 
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Oden with another 0 point game. Seriously...I know what you guys are saying with give him time but this guy is nothing but shoes on the court.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']That Bulls game was one of the best I've ever seen. Game 3 aside, this series has been incredible.[/quote]
Yup, it was awesome. The Rockets holding on in a thriller was pretty good, too. Sunday was a great day for NBA basketball.
 
I'm utterly shocked that Hedo remembered he knew how to play basketball to hit that three in the clutch last night. I was convinced the series was over before that.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']That Bulls game was one of the best I've ever seen. Game 3 aside, this series has been incredible.[/quote]
Yeah it has. This and the Magic - Sixers series has been crazy. I think the Bulls are going take the Celts to 7.
 
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Wow, what a wild finish but finally the game is over.. Lakers finally defeated the Utah Jazz in 5 games. The game almost had me falling out my chair, blowing a lead once again from 22 pts but Good Job Kobe and the rest of the squad :applause:

Lakers to the 2nd round Semi finals.. :)
 
Seriously...what the hell Lakers fans? Is there a reason why you are the only people in the world that cant go 5 seconds with some visual aid? Its not even just this site...everywhere you go Lakers fans seemed to need to have Kobe's face plastered all over everything around them.

Stop posting pics of that $$$$a. (please)

Also, I cant wait until the NBA gets past this, "Where Amazing Happens," gimmick. Shit is just plain annoying. Black and white everything (so lazy) with that annoying classic music.

This is one of their worst campaigns in my opinion.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Dude, I was at the game, the Celtics were hacking the shit out the Bulls and getting no calls for it, so I don't want to hear the bitching. Seriously, Scal is a good player? That dude sucks man, all he does is foul people. I've also figured out how Ray Allen gets open all the time, they just run a bunch of moving screens.[/QUOTE]
Did you see Brad Miller that game, or do you only watch the guy with the ball? Dude was laying people out on moving screens all day. Its what both these teams do.
 
I was at a game store and a couple guys were talkin' bout the Bulls/Celtics game. One guy was commenting on how Pierce was doing his thing but kept missing clutch shots at the end. He said if Pierce could make his free throws, the series would be over already.
 
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