The 2008-2009 NBA Season Thread

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[quote name='Nelo Ice']and throwing a guy toward the scorer table is a basketball move? :lol:
along with hitting a guy in the head when the ball was already out of his hand?
yeah if fish is ejected then rondo shouldve been ejected for his bs :roll:[/quote]

Rondo should have been ejected for the table toss.

The refs are now calling EVERYTHING. It's killing the flow of the game. The tech on Kobe was kinda BS since they didn't have a problem with it in the first half.
 
Damn refs, calm the fuck down. There cant be 5 techs in 5 min.

By the way, is lowering the shoulder not considered a foul anymore? I have seen this move done by many players throughout the play offs and its never been called. Its hard as hell as a defender to guard against someones ramming their shoulder into you.

I just happened to notice it when Kobe just did it, I meant to ask earlier when Pierce did it the other night.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']Rondo should have been ejected for the table toss.

The refs are now calling EVERYTHING. It's killing the flow of the game. The tech on Kobe was kinda BS since they didn't have a problem with it in the first half.[/quote]

yeah if rondo and howard werent ejected for their hits then fish shouldnt of been ejected but now the discrepancy between calls is even more ridiculous :whistle2:#
 
[quote name='Nelo Ice']and throwing a guy toward the scorer table is a basketball move? :lol:
along with hitting a guy in the head when the ball was already out of his hand?
yeah if fish is ejected then rondo shouldve been ejected for his bs and same for howard but he got a suspension[/quote]

Its all about intent. Rondo didnt really look like he was throwing him toward the table, they both were going at each other. Howard should have been ejected and suspended.

The point is the Fish clearly saw him and went after him. That a ejection and a suspension bottom line.

The ejection on Artest was just bullshit. That exact thing happens every single game of the play offs, I dont really see how you can just eject a guy for jawing.

You know what I hate that the NBA refs seem to fucking love? Just calling people for fast break fouls before any contact is even made. Half the time the defenders are barely even doing anything and its a foul instantly. I just think refs are too quick to call that, let the defender try to make a play first than call it, dont call it before either one of them leaves the ground.


Rockets are done for this game, they really need to focus on not turning the ball over. Leave Kobe to score because even with his 40 points you were still not down that much. You could have easily stand in the game if you didnt turn it over 10 times in the last 6 min.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Its all about intent. Rondo didnt really look like he was throwing him toward the table, they both were going at each other. Howard should have been ejected and suspended.

The point is the Fish clearly saw him and went after him. That a ejection and a suspension bottom line.

The ejection on Artest was just bullshit. That exact thing happens every single game of the play offs, I dont really see how you can just eject a guy for jawing.

You know what I hate that the NBA refs seem to fucking love? Just calling people for fast break fouls before any contact is even made. Half the time the defenders are barely even doing anything and its a foul instantly. I just think refs are too quick to call that, let the defender try to make a play first than call it, dont call it before either one of them leaves the ground.


Rockets are done for this game, they really need to focus on not turning the ball over. Leave Kobe to score because even with his 40 points you were still not down that much. You could have easily stand in the game if you didnt turn it over 10 times in the last 6 min.[/quote]

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Again, dude.

The 10 seconds of Hinrich pulling on rondo back kinda takes that away. Yea he flung him but thats is usually a automatic reaction to someone who is pushing on you.

The point is that they were both doing something to each other to cause that. Scola was just setting a pick.

You can easily tell Hinrich was involved by the way he reacted. You only get that pissed if you started it in the first place.
 
Hoping the Rockets can get some more wins and keep this series going long, this and the Celtics have been the most entertaining in round 2 for me.

I hate how the NBA shuts out the local broadcasts after round 1. Gorman's play by play and Heinsohn's craziness is easily better than listening to Reggie Miller fail at color commentary.

[quote name='Nelo Ice']and throwing a guy toward the scorer table is a basketball move? :lol:[/quote]
As much as boxing someone out from the key, past the 3 point line, towards the scorer's table is, yes.:roll:
 
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looks like to like hinrich was tryin to get in position for the rebound and rondo gets pissed and throws him at the table
the point is rondo blantantly threw him
and here u can see rondo throw an elbow
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yeah i always see players throwing other players after being pushed out :roll:
 
Christ, stop posting gifs man.

That play seems like it going to be fodder for anti C's fans, bulls fans and whoever for the next 10 years. Get the hell over it. Rondo didnt do anything more than what Hinrich did.

Throws an elbow? That was after hinrich threw his elbow into rondos face?

Just....stop, because this is going to be one of those bullshit things where what you saw is based on what teams/players you dislike.


The more imporant thing here is this. Stern needs to call a meeting with all the refs and set some sort of standard for these games. There has been to many time where choking a guy in one game gets you a 2 shot foul and going for a hard block gets you a ejection in another game.

They have got to set clear guide lines for things like this beacuse the refs are doing a piss poor job of managing these games.
 
im just posting my evidence and if rondo doesnt get ejected for that then fish shouldn't have
yeah they both deserved flagrants but how come fish is ejected but other players arent for the same type of behavior??
 
That was the quality win the Lakers needed tonight. I know some people will cite the Artest foul call as "OMG officials making sure the Lakers win!" but in reality, that was the only truly bad call in the game, and Kobe didn't intentionally elbow Artest, anyway. And while Artest (who I like) shouldn't have been called for a personal there, he earned every bit of his ejection by reverting to his old ways of being a whiny bitch and getting in people's faces.

As for Derek Fisher... That was just stupid on his part. He's a veteran in the middle of a competitive playoff series. He should know better. He deserves a 1 game suspension.
 
Because it clearly wasnt the same type of behavior at all. You are using your bias here.

Two guys pushing and shoving each other is no where near a guy turning around and checking someone. It not really even close to being the same.

But I am going to stop talking about it, you being a lakers fan will never see it as anything other than someone sort of special treatment for every other team expect the Lakers who in your mind I am sure gets jipped on every play. And I am sure it has nothing to do with Boston being a Lakers rival, right? Right?

And before you say I am attacking you, I am not. I am just saying that is useally the mentality used when things like this come about.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']That was the quality win the Lakers needed tonight. I know some people will cite the Artest foul call as "OMG officials making sure the Lakers win!" but in reality, that was the only truly bad call in the game, and Kobe didn't intentionally elbow Artest, anyway. And while Artest (who I like) shouldn't have been called for a personal there, he earned every bit of his ejection by reverting to his old ways of being a whiny bitch and getting in people's faces.

As for Derek Fisher... That was just stupid on his part. He's a veteran in the middle of a competitive playoff series. He should know better. He deserves a 1 game suspension.[/quote]

Actually, I didnt get that at all. I just thought it was slightly harsh to send him for for just jawing. Probably had something to do with him coming across the court. But when he got to Kobe he didnt actually do anything. It wasnt like he tackled him or something...he just walked over and jawed a little.

I also didnt think the kobe elbow was intentional but really how could Ron know that? Meh what can you do? Refs should have handled the game better.

Even if Artest was there I think the Rockets would have still lost though.



Alright going to sleep, its god damn 2 am. Bullshit, that I have to stay up till 2 to watch a NBA game.
 
Artest has earned his reputation but I thought the ejection was beyond what was necessary. If the referees are going to start ejecting people for jawing at each other, we'll end up watching games of 3 on 3.

If Yao can bounce back and be more careful with picking up fouls, the Rockets should be in a better position to win next game. Seemed like the defense that showed up in game 1 fell apart a bit.

I bet Fish is more likely to be suspended since the referees already called the flagrant & ejected him in the game, that way the NBA doesn't have to make it look like their refs were wrong(gasp!).
 
[quote name='TruthinessFC']Artest has earned his reputation but I thought the ejection was beyond what was necessary. If the referees are going to start ejecting people for jawing at each other, we'll end up watching games of 3 on 3.

If Yao can bounce back and be more careful with picking up fouls, the Rockets should be in a better position to win next game. Seemed like the defense that showed up in game 1 fell apart a bit.

I bet Fish is more likely to be suspended since the referees already called the flagrant & ejected him in the game, that way the NBA doesn't have to make it look like their refs were wrong(gasp!).[/quote]
Fish most likely will be suspended. I think this was the wake up call the lakers needed. It was a hard physical game.
Artest got ejected for being Ron Artest.
 
That was a fken AWESOME game yesterday.

If Fish gets suspended for Game 3, I won't be surprised, but damn, I really hope the message was sent to the Lakers, because it seemed to wake them up for the rest of the game. I give props to Fisher though for taking one for the team, he had his team's back and there were all kinds of messages through that flagrant, believe it.

I didn't understand the Tech on Odom, he said a little and walked away, didn't even try to keep it up. What I don't understand is Walton trying to get into it with Scola, he doesn't exactly have anything to say to him.

I can understand Artest being angry, but I have a feeling he got ejected after he did that "slit your throat" looking gesture and whatever he said after that. He said he felt he was going to get a Tech and I agree, but I also agree he shouldn't have been thrown out anyways, he never laid a hand on Kobe plus he did take a shot to the throat.

I'm very very interested in what's going to unfold in Game 3 especially since the Lakers are now going into a hostile crowd and a very tough team surrounding Yao. Lakers better bring that attitude they finished the game with, they're definitely going to need it.

This all beats that headslap Skip2myLou gave to House :lol:
 
I don't think he did the throat slit motion, I think he was doing the motion of how Kobe hit him with his elbow. It's pretty much the same motion but you know, different meaning.

Also that slap to the back of Eddie House's head was laughs.
 
[quote name='DT778']I don't think he did the throat slit motion, I think he was doing the motion of how Kobe hit him with his elbow. It's pretty much the same motion but you know, different meaning.

Also that slap to the back of Eddie House's head was laughs.[/quote]
Yea I know, thus my "quotations" since it looked like it though.

That head smack was hilarious, with his headband all spinning around too :lol:
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Hey Nelo, how about a gif of Kobe throwing that elbow at Artest's neck?[/quote]Here's a still:

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[quote name='Gentlegamer']Here's a still:/nba_vid_kobeelbow_300.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The league just upgraded it to a flagrant 1.

Fisher and Alston suspended one game each.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']The league just upgraded it to a flagrant 1.

Fisher and Alston suspended one game each.[/quote]
For a second there I thought that said Artest.

What got upgraded to a Flagrant 1?
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']

What got upgraded to a Flagrant 1?[/quote]
The non-call of Bryant elbowing Artest. A "penalty" with no effect, unless they replay the last few minutes of the game with Artest back in and Bryant with a Flagrant 1 on his head.

At least Artest is vindicated.

His story about the table-leg is true, by the way.
 
huh...so how does that work for the next game?

The table leg? I heard him talk about a story of a guy throwing a piece of lead through a dude's heart and killing him :/
 
It doesn't affect the next game but it gets added to his flagrant foul total and once a player reaches a certain amount they get suspended.
 
[quote name='DT778']It doesn't affect the next game but it gets added to his flagrant foul total and once a player reaches a certain amount they get suspended.[/quote]
Oh I see. Does it last for the entire playoffs or just the series?

My bad, I meant leg not lead
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']The non-call of Bryant elbowing Artest. A "penalty" with no effect, unless they replay the last few minutes of the game with Artest back in and Bryant with a Flagrant 1 on his head.

At least Artest is vindicated.

His story about the table-leg is true, by the way.[/QUOTE]
They're not going to jeopardize TNT's ratings. Maybe if Kobe stabbed him with that table leg he'd get a game.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Oh I see. Does it last for the entire playoffs or just the series?

My bad, I meant leg not lead[/quote]Entire season. Not sure if the rules change in the playoffs.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']They're not going to jeopardize TNT's ratings. Maybe if Kobe stabbed him with that table leg he'd get a game.[/quote]
Hey, they didn't do anything about Rondo, so why should you expect them to suspend Kobe over an elbow?

Also, Lebron's dunk at the end of the 1st quarter was pretty awesome, which reminds me, Kobe's off the board pass to himself for the lay up over Yao Ming was pretty sick also.
 
So, I really see no point in watching this game. At least I can get to sleep early. Hawks have no answer what so ever to the Cavs. No answer what so ever.

To be honest though, if it does come to Cavs vs Lakers in the finals I think the Cavs can take them. Their team is simply to hungry to loose. You look at their role players compared to the, "Machine," Jordon Farmar, Luke Walton and their is simply no contest. Lebron will be able to man handle Kobe on defense. We will see though.

Wasnt the nuggets suppose to play today? Did I miss that game somehow? Ah well.

Also, I am glad they got all the calls right this time around. Now all the NBA needs to do is work on getting them right.....when the game is actually happening.
 
If the Lakers keep with their up and down play, Cleveland would beat them pretty handily.

Also, I think it's pretty clear that, despite all the talk throughout the season, the East has not become a stronger conference and the West has not slipped all that much. You think the Lakers would rather be playing the Hawks than the Rockets? Hell, the Mavs, who are going to go out quickly against the Nuggets, would probably make pretty quick work of the Hawks. Cleveland is the only real title contender in the East, while the Magic and Boston (without KG) are a tier below. Every other team is filler and would probably lose in a series against any Western team 1-8. The Cavs are a really good team, but they've got very little resistance.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']If the Lakers keep with their up and down play, Cleveland would beat them pretty handily.

Also, I think it's pretty clear that, despite all the talk throughout the season, the East has not become a stronger conference and the West has not slipped all that much. You think the Lakers would rather be playing the Hawks than the Rockets? Hell, the Mavs, who are going to go out quickly against the Nuggets, would probably make pretty quick work of the Hawks. Cleveland is the only real title contender in the East, while the Magic and Boston (without KG) are a tier below. Every other team is filler and would probably lose in a series against any Western team 1-8. The Cavs are a really good team, but they've got very little resistance.[/QUOTE]

I do agree that the whole idea that there is complete parity between the East and West this year was bogus; the West is undoubtedly deeper and is evidenced by three .500 or below teams making the playoffs in the East.
But I do believe that the Magic, C's (with or without KG) and the Cavs are elites of the league and can go deep into and win a 7 game series with anyone in the West. The Magic are arguably the weakest of those three and they beat the Laker's twice this season, granted that was with Jameer Nelson taking care of the turd sandwich that is the Laker's PG situation. The C's even without KG are a great team and showed in the first round that they will do anything to win, I am not condoning Baby Isiah's play but tenacity and experience bring close game wins. And they have both.
 
You know, I think the Lakers are in for some trouble.

I read a article on ESPN that was stating a lot of things that I noticed but never thought about. As good as Kobe is, he is not going to be hitting off balanced crazy ass shots every night. (just like the first game where he went 8-23 or so) and the fact of the matter is that the Lakers still relay way to much on Kobe to have a monster game to win.

The rockets bench is out playing the Lakers 3 to 1 in every aspect. Once, they get back to using Yao effectively the Lakers are going to be back in for some trouble. They were still in the game and Yao didnt even take a shot for like 10 min.

This series is way closers than it looks on paper.
 
Ok, rondo you are starting to kinda be a embarrassment and kinda hurting your team, walking a fine line.

As a PG you can not allow opposing players to play 10 ft away from you with no hope of you shooting the ball. Yeah, I understand that he is quick, smart and can pass the ball well but god damn you are hurting the C's big time by not being able to shoot a 15 -20ft jump shot. That needs to be first on the list of things to work on the off season.

The C's are just to banged up to go the distance in my opinion. There is no depth to the team with all the injuries and I cant fathom them playing a team that gets to the foul like like the Cavs.

EDIT: Is Doc Rivers still pissed at Eddie House from last year? He clearly is the best bench player in the league outside Jason Terry....why does he only get 10 min a game?
 
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Bullshit flagrant 2 right there on Artest. That's a hard foul, MAYBE a flagrant 1 or a fine at the most. Hopefully the league doesn't make this mistake worse by suspending him.
 
[quote name='TruthinessFC']Bullshit flagrant 2 right there on Artest. That's a hard foul, MAYBE a flagrant 1 or a fine at the most. Hopefully the league doesn't make this mistake worse by suspending him.[/quote]
He wont be suspended, but that was for the wack-ass call on Pau earlier when dude jumped into him and sold the foul.
 
[quote name='TruthinessFC']Bullshit flagrant 2 right there on Artest. That's a hard foul, MAYBE a flagrant 1 or a fine at the most. Hopefully the league doesn't make this mistake worse by suspending him.[/quote]

That was a reputation flagrant. It was a good, hard playoff foul on a big guy who was moving fast. They need to fess up on that one.
 
Everyone knows that wasn't even worthy of a Flagrant, I(as a Laker fan) am just glad they didn't make that same mistake with Vujacic when the shooter jumped right into him.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Everyone knows that wasn't even worthy of a Flagrant, I(as a Laker fan) am just glad they didn't make that same mistake with Vujacic when the shooter jumped right into him.[/quote]

wafer was obviously tryin to get the machine a flagrant :lol:
the artest call was stupid it was just a hard foul
 
Four flagrant foul points in the playoffs for a suspension.

Also Artest shouldn't have been thrown out; the refs need to ease up.
 
Yeah the Refs are really making it hard for me to fully enjoy the games. Like always.

Every second I am wondering who is getting thrown out next, who is going to be in foul trouble, who is getting another bullshit flagrant.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Yeah the Refs are really making it hard for me to fully enjoy the games. Like always.

Every second I am wondering who is getting thrown out next, who is going to be in foul trouble, who is getting another bullshit flagrant.[/QUOTE]

yea i definitely agree.. Theses NBA refs are getting out of control and its all over the place. Again its almost like the NBA is fixed or something.

But none of the less Im happy to see my Lakers win yesterday and Kobe doing his thing shooting over Ron Artest every time and Shane Battier. :applause:

Go Lakers up 2-1 :cool:
 
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