The 2008 MLB Season Thread (Update: Phillies Won)

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[quote name='DomLando']Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Sosa supposed to be the guy you put in to eat up innings. He was supposed to be the long reliever correct? So why does Willie keep bringing him in games that are close in the 7th and 8th?!!??!?! You have certain guys for that. Smith, Schoeneweis, Feliciano, Sanchez, and Heilman, are the guys you bring in the late innings in close games. The Mets need to cut ties with Sosa and put Figueroa in the pen or bring up Vargas and put him there for your long reliever. [/quote]

Yeah i never understood that either. In the first game against the cubs..when he brought in Sosa in the 8th to face felix pie....i was like "WHA DA fuck, why him and why now?!" I think Willie is trying to instill confidence in these guys but sacrificing any games we need to stay in first or stay close to first. I dont even my Figueroa as a starter. he has been pitching really well in pedro's absense. I think Vargas(Claudio for those who dont know) could fill in well in both spots. i can seem him definiltey geting called up in may quickly. I also think Willie is trying t o regain that 6 game win streak he had last year. I dont think it will ever happen. hopefully in may they start to figure out that Sosa is not the man for long relief or set up. Heck we even have Wise, and i bet willie will use him less when he gets off the DL.

Another thing that confuses me about Willie is the way he handles the line up. He batted Church 2nd, and the lineup scored runs. Castillo could not even get a bunt down the other night against Philly. Put Church back in the 2 hole and bat Castillo 8th. When Alou comes back next week, Willie better bast him 5th, as Delgado can't hit anything. The line up should look like this:
Reyes, Church, Wright, Beltran, Alou, Delgado, Schnider, Castillo.
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i like that lineup better than our previous one. Castillo is no longer Castillo anymore. He will never regain what he had in Florida. I still dont know why the mets insisted on keeping him when we had Loretta and marcus giles as options. although giles was cut....he would have been cheaper and had him for less years than an older castillo. i like Church in the two hole. it gives Wright protection and the guy can hit with RISP. IF reyes can get on base..it leaves church or wright to bring him in. Schnieder should be ahead of Delgado. Schnieder atleast can make contact with the ball. I dont give a hoot if Delgado is trying to pull balls now. He isnt pulling anything but air. Its also the reason i wish we kept Gotay. Atleast he would be a viable 2nd basemen we could use if Castillo performs like he is(shitty).Alou would be a huge hitting upgrade compared to a beleagured Delgado. I cant wait till he comes back....hopefully he can do the job better.

Before the season I was confident the Mets would at least make the playoffs and have a good shot to win the WS. Now my feelings have changed significantly. Signing Castillo to a 4 year deal was a huge mistake. Delgado is done and I am so happy this is his last year. The Mets won't cut or bench him since they owe him 20 Mill this year but that's besides the point. The bullpen is a mess. The only upside is there starters. Maine and Perez hopefully will keep developing. The Mets better keep Perez. I can see Pelfrey becoming a solid 4th starter.[ /quote]

as i said, i totally agree. Castillo was a huge mistake. It was one of Omar's loyalty signings. Just like Pedro and Valentin, he gets a huge contracct because his name is Luis Castillo and thats it. Everyone scratched their heads with that signing. Santana just made everyone forget that momentarily. i cant wait till delgado leaves...that leaves us open to get younger and better there....maybe Nick Johnson is even a better option than Delgado. Im not worried about SP at all. everyone is pitching great. Its the other aspects of the mets that blow the games wide open. If the Mets lose perez...they rotation is in real trouble......we already had trouble filling in pedro.and if we lose him....Wilpon better pony up more bills or we will see a totally Raw Eddie Kunz pitch for us.

The main thing is Willie needs to go. The team does not seem motivated at all. Not to mention all of his coaching mistakes. They need a change and I am hoping it comes a lot sooner then later.
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Yeh i think Willie has finally lost it...every game, the decisions seem totally inconsistent with last games and the wierd stuff he pulls never works out. also if the grudge against Feliciano is true...and if thats the reason why he isnt giving Feliciano a chance....than he needs to leave soon. Yeah the team looks really complacent. like they dont care anymore and again expect things to be handed to them. Im seriously getting really sick of that.
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The Mets did win tonight, and actually scored some runs for Santana. Beltran's bat woke up a little but the team overall did not hit well again. They cashed in on some big mistakes by the Nationals. With Schneider back, Willie had the chance to bat Church 2nd but he chose to put him fifth. For now I can deal with that lineup, until Alou is back. Hitting Church behind Beltran gives Beltran some protection. At least Willie did something right moving Delgado down.

There are talks internally going on about Delgado. If you go historically, they wont cut him. But they seem to be looking at options like Millar and Hatteberg. Let's hope and pray they do not even think for a second about Frank Thomas.
 
I am sorry kevin millar is not a solid 1b by any means...he is a horrible fielding 1b. I am sure delgardo isn't fleet of foot at 1b, but it won't be any improvement with millar there. Hitting wise, as much as I think delgado is done as a player, at least he would be consistent. Kevin Millar will be one of the best hitters in baseball for a 3 wk stretch. Besides that he is a .230 - .260 hitter and due to the incredible 3 wk stretch his batting avg will end up in the .260 - .280 range for the season.
 
[quote name='DomLando']The Mets did win tonight, and actually scored some runs for Santana. Beltran's bat woke up a little but the team overall did not hit well again. They cashed in on some big mistakes by the Nationals. With Schneider back, Willie had the chance to bat Church 2nd but he chose to put him fifth. For now I can deal with that lineup, until Alou is back. Hitting Church behind Beltran gives Beltran some protection. At least Willie did something right moving Delgado down.

There are talks internally going on about Delgado. If you go historically, they wont cut him. But they seem to be looking at options like Millar and Hatteberg. Let's hope and pray they do not even think for a second about Frank Thomas.[/QUOTE]

Frank won't go to a NL team. Remember, he got cut by complaining about playing time, something that won't be that great because he won't be playing the field every day, or even at all. I see him re-signing with Oakland.

I wouldn't be surprised to see NY inquire about Scott Thorman. Decent fielder, could be had for a lesser reliever.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I am sorry kevin millar is not a solid 1b by any means...he is a horrible fielding 1b. I am sure delgardo isn't fleet of foot at 1b, but it won't be any improvement with millar there. Hitting wise, as much as I think delgado is done as a player, at least he would be consistent. Kevin Millar will be one of the best hitters in baseball for a 3 wk stretch. Besides that he is a .230 - .260 hitter and due to the incredible 3 wk stretch his batting avg will end up in the .260 - .280 range for the season.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree but internally they are supposedly looking into the two of them.

I know Frank Thomas wouldn't think of going to a NL team, I was just saying I hope they don't even put him in there thoughts. The front office and Willie are dumb enough to even think about it.
 
the overwhelming majority of the players that the redsox were going to trade for santana have played at the MLB level recently. the players talked about in the deal were:

Jacoby ellsbury: was part of 1 package that centered around him stats for the season about 60 ab's...ba:.298 3 homers 9 rbi's 19 runs 8sb obp: .438

Jeb lowrie: was called up due to the injuries to mike lowell and backup inf alex cora. has about 20 ab's ba .350 5 rbi's 4 runs

Jon lester was part of another package...he has had issues pounding the strikezone 1 - 2 5.4 era 16k 19bb 1.77 whip 30inn

justin masterson: was called up today due to the injury/sickness going thru the clubhouse. Playing against a very good team in the angels, so far 5ip 80 pitches, 2 h 1 r 1 er, 3k, 3bb

glad that they didn't make the trade considering all of them are under 24...and are contributing this year


in other news frank thomas signed with the A's
 
[quote name='DomLando']The Mets did win tonight, and actually scored some runs for Santana. Beltran's bat woke up a little but the team overall did not hit well again. They cashed in on some big mistakes by the Nationals. With Schneider back, Willie had the chance to bat Church 2nd but he chose to put him fifth. For now I can deal with that lineup, until Alou is back. Hitting Church behind Beltran gives Beltran some protection. At least Willie did something right moving Delgado down.

There are talks internally going on about Delgado. If you go historically, they wont cut him. But they seem to be looking at options like Millar and Hatteberg. Let's hope and pray they do not even think for a second about Frank Thomas.[/quote]

I can deal with that also. Atleast Church is consistent with contact while again Delgado cant hit anything. Yeah i saw the highlights. im happy we won of course...but we got a break. that game could have alot closer or we could have lost. i wonder if the poor hitting has anything to do with Howard Johnson as the hitting coach. It doesnt seem to be any better when we had Rick Downs as coach..infact i think it may have been a little better with Downs as coach. even wright is really struggling at the plate...but ill throw that into his slow april troubles like he usually has. Well Alou coming back should be a breathe of fresh air. we can stick church at 2 and stick castillo 8th.

I heard Nick Johnson's name also being thrown in to the mix for the mets. I wouldnt having him. if he can get over his injuries..he is a very solid first basemen. Boy i wish we could find John Olerud again!
 
What I can't understand is why the Pirates always give the Cardinals so many fits. The Cards usually beat the Brewers no problem, but we can't beat the Pirates?!
 
well perez blew it with a nice cushion. i dont get it. he was stellar for 4 innings. didnt throw a great number of pitches, but 7-8-9 hitters give him fits.....can the real Oliver Perez please stand up. 1 1/3 5 runs by the two run producing machines known as Aaron heilman and Jorge Sosa also yuck it up too..but the game still was on perez. the mets gave him an early cushion and he blew it. the other two just let the door open wider. meh whatever, im begining to expect these kinds of games this year. it happens to all the teams.....but what i dont get is that..all the teams dont put two relievers in every game that have given up 10+ runs combined in what 4 appearances combined? they usually bench them, or never go back to them. though willie likes to somehow give these two guys chances every game. sorry for the whining or complaining.....im just getting sick to my stomach every time Willie throws in one of those two.
 
Guess the pitcher:

16 Scoreless Innings. 4-0. league leader in K's(36)


Given up?

Teh Franchise aka Tim Lincecum.

Cy Young or Bust.
 
In similar news, Cliff Lee is having an astonishing April. Unless he completely melts down in his next start I can't see him not getting player of the month. 4-0, 2R, 0.28 ERA, 29K, 2BB and 21 straight scoreless. Not bad from a guy who lost his spot in the rotation last year because he couldn't get the job done as a #5.
 
well cliff lee had an adominal straid during spring training last year and either he is really an asshole or he had to have some off the field issues/problems. The way he left the field when he was booed at home, said it all. He has been a really good pitcher in the past, and there was no reason to think he wouldn't bounce back. I am pissed at the son of a bitch as I picked him up on my fantasy team last year and he was fucking horrible and passed on picking him up this year
 
[quote name='monkeydeew']hey all you giants fans, this is no time to cut and run on zito. you need to stay the course! 5 more years!!!![/quote]

He gives me nightmares. It's sad because our rotation is stacked right now, will be even better when Lowry comes back (Cain, Cy Young, Sanchez, Correia).

Zito is like that fat/ugly bitch in a group of hot women, you want the hot friends but you gotta go through the fat one.
 
Dear Brewer hitters,

Please start hitting. It's bad enough almost every game is so close but 8 extra inning games in the first 25 is rediculous. You're going to kill us. Thanks for your cooperation.

Signed,
The Brewer bullpen.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']I wish we could clone Chien-Ming Wang and have him fill a few spots on the rotation.[/quote]

really? Don't get me wrong he is a good/great pitcher...but for every 1/2 hit ballgame, he goes and gets hit rather hard. That is the condrum with sinker ball pitchers. If the don't get the sinker down they are dead. He is a very good #2 pitcher, but he has yet to step up and be a shut down ace.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']really? Don't get me wrong he is a good/great pitcher...but for every 1/2 hit ballgame, he goes and gets hit rather hard. That is the condrum with sinker ball pitchers. If the don't get the sinker down they are dead. He is a very good #2 pitcher, but he has yet to step up and be a shut down ace.[/QUOTE]

He's had one rough game this year and that was at Boston. Everything else has been as good as one could wish for. Yesterday he had a sick slider workin' for him as well. If he can begin to effectively use the slider together with the sinker, he'd be a proper number 1 on almost any team.

Plus, he's still fucking gold compared to the rest of our rotation.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']They might move Zito to the bullpen.

$126 million for a relief pitcher...[/quote]

And it's official, he's moving to the bullpen.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']And it's official, he's moving to the bullpen.[/QUOTE]

You have no idea how hard I just laughed.

Worst. Contract. Evar.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']too bad...it was a horrible signing though and it isn't like there weren't other teams in the running for him either.[/quote]


Met's went after him hard, Peterson was the pitching coach, who use to be the pitching coach in Oakland. I think they offered 5/90 mil?

The Giants are 11-7 in games Zito doesn't start. Get this clown outta here.

He's become the most hated Giants player since Jeff Kent...hell at least Kent contributed.

Now the lineup will be:
Cain
Cy Young
Sanchez (3rd in MLB with K's)
Lowry
Correia(Who's on the DL, replaced with Misch)
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Ditto.[/quote]

Does Zito even have more value than Mike Timlin at this point? I mean, what has he done since signing that contract, not much. At least Timlin isn't making that kind of money. He is sucking it up though, but then again he's a bit older too.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Does Zito even have more value than Mike Timlin at this point? I mean, what has he done since signing that contract, not much. At least Timlin isn't making that kind of money. He is sucking it up though, but then again he's a bit older too.[/quote]

Maybe the Yankees will get desperate and trade for him since Hughes and Kennedy are sucking bad right now. ;)
 
There is a reason why the Red Sox and Yankees both would not touch Zito, and the Yankees were desparate for pitching at the time. Zito was done, and everyone except Brian Sabean knew it.

The Giants are ruined for the next 6 years, and they still have to buy out his option in 2014.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']There is a reason why the Red Sox and Yankees both would not touch Zito, and the Yankees were desparate for pitching at the time. Zito was done, and everyone except Brian Sabean knew it.

The Giants are ruined for the next 6 years, and they still have to buy out his option in 2014.[/quote]

It wasn't Sabean who signed him, he didn't want him. McGowan did, were not ruined for the next 6 years, hell were 3rd place in the NL West right now.

Dice K has pitched well, not worth the money he's being paid.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']It wasn't Sabean who signed him, he didn't want him. McGowan did, were not ruined for the next 6 years, hell were 3rd place in the NL West right now.

Dice K has pitched well, not worth the money he's being paid.[/quote]

:checks calendar:

Yep, still April
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']What's Zito's record? ERA?

I rest my case.[/quote]

i bet you want to pull out and let the terrorists win. 5 more years! stay the course! NO CUT AND RUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']It wasn't Sabean who signed him, he didn't want him. McGowan did, were not ruined for the next 6 years, hell were 3rd place in the NL West right now.

Dice K has pitched well, not worth the money he's being paid.[/quote]

But he is a better value than Zito and 2 years younger. Sure Zito was pretty good in 2003, but hasn't done anything since then.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']But he is a better value than Zito and 2 years younger. Sure Zito was pretty good in 2003, but hasn't done anything since then.[/quote]

Oh, don't think I wouldn't take Zito over Dice K, because i'd take Dice K.

Both contracts are different levels, Zito's is horrible, Dice K is 'overvalued'. His regular contract is fine, it's just the posting fee was ridiculous.

It's one of those things with Zito, he's not trying to be suckin', he's a really nice guy, met him twice at Pac Bell/At&t.

He just lost his confidence badly, and I doubt it will come back.
 
Caught the Nats-Braves game last night. Nats new stadium is pretty nice, but doesn't have much of a view in the background, so it still pales compared to places like Camden Yards (unfortunate since they are so close).

Attendance was terrible, doesn't bode well for paying off the $600 million plus stadium when it's already that empty in it's first year. Not just normal mid-week empty either, just frickin empty.
 
I'd like to thank the Cubs for putting the last nail in Turnbow's coffin. It shouldn't be too hard to get him to AAA now.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Caught the Nats-Braves game last night. Nats new stadium is pretty nice, but doesn't have much of a view in the background, so it still pales compared to places like Camden Yards (unfortunate since they are so close).

Attendance was terrible, doesn't bode well for paying off the $600 million plus stadium when it's already that empty in it's first year. Not just normal mid-week empty either, just frickin empty.[/QUOTE]

It's not empty.

The Nats have this thing called The President's Club, which (IIRC) extends from on-deck circle to on-dec circle behind home plate, and extends up at least a section. The Nats have sold all of the season tickets, but those ticket holders never show up. Meanwhile, most of the rest of the stadium has a pretty good fill (avg over 30k a game). Unfortunately, with the center-field camera, all you see is empty seats.

Meanwhile, I grow worried about my Braves. Our depth at starter is dwindling fast.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']It's not empty.

The Nats have this thing called The President's Club, which (IIRC) extends from on-deck circle to on-dec circle behind home plate, and extends up at least a section. The Nats have sold all of the season tickets, but those ticket holders never show up. Meanwhile, most of the rest of the stadium has a pretty good fill (avg over 30k a game). Unfortunately, with the center-field camera, all you see is empty seats.

Meanwhile, I grow worried about my Braves. Our depth at starter is dwindling fast.[/QUOTE]

There were 25K there Tuesday night, per the box score. Looked like less than that with all the empty seats throughout the stadium. That oen section was empty, but so were all the lower level outfield sections and a few of the upper deck sections as well. To be fair, it was a Tuesday and it was pretty chilly. I'll go back to more games, but probably only the braves as the stadium is nothing special and there's not shit to do around it.

I'm more than worried about the Braves, I think they're pretty much done unless they can pull of some blockbuster trade to improve the rotation. Hampton had problems with his chest again in his last rehab start in the minors and Smoltz wants to go to the bullpen when he comes back....
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']There were 25K there Tuesday night, per the box score. Looked like less than that with all the empty seats throughout the stadium. That oen section was empty, but so were all the lower level outfield sections and a few of the upper deck sections as well. To be fair, it was a Tuesday and it was pretty chilly. I'll go back to more games, but probably only the braves as the stadium is nothing special and there's not shit to do around it.

I'm more than worried about the Braves, I think they're pretty much done unless they can pull of some blockbuster trade to improve the rotation. Hampton had problems with his chest again in his last rehab start in the minors and Smoltz wants to go to the bullpen when he comes back....[/QUOTE]

I would hope that the Braves aren't counting on Hampton at all.
 
[quote name='DomLando']I would hope that the Braves aren't counting on Hampton at all.[/QUOTE]

They must have been, given not picking up more starting pitching in the off season.
 
[quote name='DomLando']I would hope that the Braves aren't counting on Hampton at all.[/quote]

yep, they were counting on Smoltz and Glavine to be healthy. and now that smoltz is out of the rotation..they are in trouble....although Jair Jurjens has been really solid for them.
 
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